African Christians will be killed if C of E accepts gay marriage, says Justin Welby
Archbishop says he has seen mass grave of Christians killed by neighbours who said they feared being 'made to become gay'
Friday 4 April 2014
Homophobia must not be tolerated in schools, Church of England says
Archbishop of Canterbury says church schools must not turn 'a convenient blind eye to institutional homophobia'
Monday 12 May 2014
Is it possible that the Archbishop of Canterbury in May has forgotten what he said in April?
Is it possible that the Archbishop of Canterbury does not know that the nicer white people are to their gay people the nastier black people will be to their gay people?
Is it possible that the Archbishop of Canterbury doesn't care really about African Christians being murdered for adhering to the faith that is perceived to be the faith of white people known to want to promote gay marriage worldwide? http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/07/25/gay-marriage_n_3651435.html
Is the Archbishop of Canterbury really not aware that the both the Bible and the Koran are "homophobic"?
Does the Archbishop of Canterbury really think that Christianity is PC Libtardism and that it is his job to promote PC Libardism?
Does the Archbishop of Canterbury believe that people who think of themselves as Christians are too stupid and illiterate to read the Bible and discover for themselves that the Bible and the Koran are definitely "homophobic"?
Is the way the Church of England has liberalised itself the way forward for the Catholic Church?
Is Christianity fit for the purpose of maintaining the morals of its adherents when its corrupt clergy is now but a mouthpiece for the matriarchal governments of the degenerate West?
Can there be any doubt that the Church is more interested in putting as many filthy rotten stinking bums on its rotten pews so it can say its numbers are increasing than in fulfilling its purpose of maintaining moral standards through preaching the morality of the Bible?
Can you see the efficacy of the Koran which relies on its principles to be translated into law, and the corruptible and corrupt Christian clergy who will say black is white as long as they continue to derive an income from the Church they claim to serve but whose teachings they actually subvert?
What do you think the Catholic Church is doing when the Pope says he is cool with gay marriage and SSMs?
Is the Muslim-Christian Forum an instrument of PC Libtardism?
Julian Bond is more a Liberal Democrat than a Christian. Such a person would regard the right to have extramarital sex between consenting adults as more important than any moral precept that Abrahamic faiths might promote, ie marriage, which must necessarily and logically mean the prohibition of extramarital sex. http://bogpaper.com/the-liberal-party-a-haven-for-sexual-perverts/
He has already blocked me on Facebook and Twitter and behaves as if the right of consenting adults to have extramarital sex has been won for all time and that there is nothing further be said on the matter. He also deleted a rather interesting exchange we had on the subject.
Claire Khaw Why would you object to following God's laws, if you do indeed believe in God?
Julian Bond Yes, I believe the Nicene Creed, what is your opinion of it. You previously mentioned God, not God's laws ( whatever they may be). What is the relevance of God's laws (maybe especially for an atheist) in this discussion and in England and Wales, especially when laws were given to Moses for a different people group?
Claire Khaw Both Muhammad and I have agreed that all the Abrahamic faiths have the same moral precepts and these precepts it is your intention to ignore and marginalise, it seems.
Tom Short Claire sorry to interrupt but God is not a governmental controlled product or anything in the likes of that. Yes most of the societal laws that exist are developed from religious laws because they have a good benchmark but in no law does it state that you have to believe in God to obey the law. The laws of man are just that the laws of man. In the monotheistic religions they have all stated that we are created in Gods image and Jesus stated to put love for others above laws.Julian Bond That's the protection? You seem to have more interest in it than I do!
Julian is one of the nicest Christians I know and if he chooses to take up Jesus' teachings above those of Law and Biblical law then he is proving to be one of the best Christians there are.
Tom Short Also Claire how can you be an atheist when you are proposing fusion of government and religion?
Julian Bond Claire, apart from standing against homophobia and appreciating the Archbishop's pastoral approach I don't think I have marginalised any 'law'.
The Christian Muslim Forum has not taken any position on anything to do with homosexuality.
Claire Khaw You don't have to believe in God to agree that the commandments Thou shalt not kill/commit adultery/steal/bear false witness make perfect sense.
To say you are not homophobic is taking a position on homosexuality. To say that you are is also taking a position on homosexuality. I suppose you could forbid the discussion of this subject, but that would be counter-productive and futile.
Julian Bond Claire, this discussion is on my own page, it is not a Christian Muslim Forum discussion. You're right though, as I said, I have my own personal opinion.
Claire Khaw The Bible and the Koran are clearly "homophobic" so it would appear that you are saying it is more important for you to be a Liberal Democrat than a Christian.
Perhaps subscribing to the Nicene creed allows any so-called believer to take any position that is obviously contrary to Bible while allowing him to plead his belief in the Trinity as his admission ticket to heaven, as long as he expresses remorse for his sins.
Tom Short And whilst I agree with that Claire those laws already exist but others like stoning someone to death for being raped for example is not one that should come into play. We are human and as such we should make laws that benefit all of man not just those who fear homosexuals with the rights to marry might then start to go for the straight people. Because that is rational. In a world that proclaims equal rights in all places but those countries that are not developed enough to have governing systems like we do I say that it should be equal all the time and all round.
Not a problem Julian you know what I am like by now.
Julian Bond Not sure why you're interested in political allegiance, why you think there might be only one 'true' Christian position ir what relevance it has to an atheist. I don't know what you mean by 'protection', I'm not aware of any.
Claire Khaw Only those who subscribe to Trinitarianism are Christian, and only Christians go to heaven. That is the whole point of this doctrine.
Everything else - good works, brave deeds etc - count for nothing.
Tom Short Jesus said to put love for all above the bibles laws. The whole reason of being a Christian is to follow Jesus's example not the Church. And the The Noble Qur'an has Jesus in it also so they too have the 'protection' to choose love. Muhammad never killed people instead tried to guide them if possible.
Claire Khaw You just have to say you are sorry for saying God is cool with being gay, and Trinitarianism is a totalitarian doctrine. It is time Christians realised this. It was also the raison d'etre of the Inquisition.The Koran clearly and uncompromisingly denies the Trinity while affirming the Virgin Birth, which is interesting. I am aware that Christians in the West never think of the Trinity, because they are not encouraged to do so. It is after all the Achilles heel of Christianity. If they think too much about it they would start doubting its "truth" and ask questions that if answered honestly and logically would end them up no longer being Christian once they can no longer say with any sincerity that they truly believe Christ is God Himself.
It is this doctrine that facilitates so much Christian hypocrisy and cant.
It is quite clear that being a Liberal Democrat is more important to you than being the kind of Christian that faithfully follows the will of God as stated in the Bible, and the Bible is in fact undeniably "homophobic".
You will of course insist that it is possible to be a gay marriage promoting Liberal Democrat *and* a Christian, because no one has dared to point out that this is in fact logically impossible, just like it is impossible for it to be both raining and not raining at the same time.
Tom Short Do you know how many sects there are in Islam and in Christianity? Each and every single one has a different doctrine to follow and each and every one follows what they believe to be right. The Orthodox church of the East has just as many sects as the trinitarian, Evangelical, Protestant and Catholics. The only one that would agree with what you are saying are the Puritans.
And yes the Qur'an does state that Jesus is another prophet not the son of God and yes it does affirm the Virgin birth but during the days of Jesus's birth and the times of Muhammed being a virgin was the terms for someone who was not married. I think it is safe to say that we have gone beyond the days of Constantine, the Puritans and the current lot of Extreme Muslims who wish to kill the gays.
What you are talking about does not compute with the religions overall message. There is as much hypocrisy in both. I wouldn't make a habit out of slandering Christians who wish evolve with the times and accept that people can be gay as well as straight.
No what you are proposing is impossible. There are too many religions in this country for your way to work. Too many people who have children out of wedlock. Too many atheists.
And of course the bible is homophobic the ones who wrote it were Roman Christians under the rule of Constantine.
Claire Khaw The existence of sects is irrelevant to the existence of scripture, which undeniably expresses views about LGBT people that would now be considered "homophobic" by the 21st century libtard.
Since you are free-loving pagan, I am wondering how and why you think you can speak with more authority than any of us. We already know how little you respect the institution of marriage and that believe that it should be your sacred right to have sex with anyone anywhere anytime.
I am quite sure what I say does not compute with people of your ilk, who cannot understand how and why anyone should wish to question your sacred right to have sex with anyone anytime anywhere, but this is unfortunately what the Bible and Koran says, whether you like it or not.
Perhaps when you become dictator you can throw all these books on the scrapheap and burn them, dancing naked round the bonfire in the manner that pagans of old used to do.
While you worship sexual freedom, sexual licence and sexual incontinence, there are those of us who see the purpose of regulating our sexual desires and moral restraint, if you don't mind.
Perhaps before too much longer PC Libtards will force us all to be gay, paedophiles, corporophiliacs, practitioners of incest and bestiality as well as necrophiliacs, fornicators and adulterers. And then there will be heaven on earth, as people like you would see it. What I am proposing is perfectly possible in theory, though I am sure most of the sexual degenerates in Paedo Bastard Britain Slutland would rather go to hell in a handcart than contemplate giving up their sacred right to have extramarital sex. Revolutions, however, have been known to happen.
I am afraid all these Interfaith types in the Christian Muslim Forum in fact wield no power because no one listens to them. They are chosen to run these little groups precisely because they are unobjectionable little twerps who cannot possibly offend anyone and will toe whatever line is required of them to seem moderate and inclusive. They also agree to run these little groups because they already know that only people like them will want to join their pointless little groups. If Anjem Choudary and his lot turned up to one of their little interfaith meetings they would probably call the cops.
Will he call the cops if I turn up to his lunchtime meeting on 10 June in Whitechapel? http://www.christianmuslimforum.org/index.php/calendar/forum-events?task=view_event&event_id=214 We will have to see, won't we?