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Monday, 22 June 2015

How much is Dr Qadri proposing to sell his #JihadAgainstISIS curriculum to the UK government?

The person Sarah Montague should have been interviewing about British Muslim adolescents joining ISIS must surely be Anjem Choudary or even me, at a pinch.

You do not even have to be Muslim to know why they want to join.

The point is that Western governments are not going to change Western foreign policy for the sake of a bunch of Muslims even they do up sticks and go fight in Islamic State.

They know that they will have to put up with terrorism if they want to continue with their foreign policy, so that is what they will do. Because this is indeed the case, all they have to do now is to smear any Muslim who points to Western foreign policy as a factor in radicalisation. Foreign policy a no-go area and anyone who gives it  more than a cursory mention in these discussions will be branded an Islamist apologist, an extremist and to be spied on and their liberty restricted.

Instead, taxpayers' money will be poured into the pockets of charlatans like Qadri and those whose solutions accept the narrative that Western foreign policy can do no wrong and that the Western God of War that is NATO is always right and never wrong.

Qadri's solution is to use his curriculum to indoctrinate all Muslim schoolchildren as to the infallibility of Western foreign policy and probably tell them to report their parents if they even so much as try to suggest to their children that NATO is sometimes wrong.

Not only are Muslim parents expected to remain silent about their views on UK foreign policy they must actively praise and worship NATO as a deity who must always be worshipped and never questioned and always denounce as blasphemers, extremists and potential terrorists anyone who deviates from this narrative.

I hope this is now reasonably clear.



Why Muslims and non-Muslims keep wanting to join ISIS

How to *peacefully* protest against Western foreign policy

Is Sima Kotecha stupid or is she DELIBERATELY avoiding mentioning FOREIGN POLICY?




http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b05zhhht From 1:36




http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2014/10/tahir-ul-qadri-political-enigma-pakistan-2014102271530973245.html

Sarah Montague:

What can be done to stop young Muslims from radicalisd here and then going on to fight with Islamic State with Syria and Iraq? Dr Mohammad Tahir ul Qadri is politician in Islam and a Sufi Islamic scholar who has issued a fatwa against terrorism. He is in London to launch his counter terrorism curriculum which he thinks should be taught to all Muslim schoolchildren. I spoke to him last night asked him where the responsibility lay - why are so many people becoming radicalised?

Qadri:

The problem of radicalisation has not been properly tackled for the last many many years. Unfortunately people in the government and agencies who have been tackling the matter of extremism they have been dividing the matter of extremism into two categories: violent extremism and non-violent extremism. By this division I think they have been allowing extremism to grow into terrorism. Extremism is extremism. Extremism which is non-violent today will become violent ultimately because it has to convert into terrorism finally and then the whole issue becomes very difficult to be tackled. 

Sarah Montague:

You make the point that government agencies have been making this distinction but it makes one wonder given what you are saying whether the Prime Minister is right when he says that some Muslims are quietly condoning the extremist ideology rather than confronting it. So it is the Muslim community themselves who should be doing this?

Qadri:

First of all I have heard Prime Minister's speech. He has I think as far as I understood eliminated this division of violent extremism and non-violent so I think he is 100% right. As far as the Muslim communities are concerned I also agree with this one point: there are some people within Muslim community who are silent on this issue or who condone it silently. Again it opens the door to justification for any kind of terrorism in any name for any faith.

Sarah Montague:

But what is it then? Who is it who needs to speak out and try to reach out to people who might be on this path?

Qadri:

First of all, this becomes the responsibility of Muslim communities, Muslim leaders, imams, clerics. This should be taught right from the beginning in the mosques, in seminaries, in madrassas and at state level in all schools. It should be taught that extremism is something which is clear enmity to humanity and this is against the teachings of the Koran.  

Sarah Montague:

Are you suggesting this should be part of the national curriculum?

Qadri:

Yes, it should be on curriculum. Peace should be taken as peace studies as a subject. Deradicalisation should be taken as a subject. Counter-terrorism should be taken as a subject. The problem is that we have not been addressing this issue on theological front and on ideological front. We have been taking it just as a political economical social issue. Although there can be and there are I don't deny it political influences and socio-economic and local circumstances also influence the youth and international situations do influence but the foremost responsibility I would say is - this is a khawarij philosophy - this is a self-concocted philosophy, ideology and concept by wrong interpretation of Koranic teachings.

Sarah Montague:

It's been perverted and it is the responsibility of communities and government to tackle that ideology head-on?

Qadri:

They have to take it in a theological and ideological manner that this is a khawarij ideology is totally condoned [sic] and extremely condemned by the Holy Prophet in his time. We should not remain silent.

Sarah Montague:

Can I ask you is it possible that somebody could be radicalised solely by what they see online or must there also be someone in their local community encouraging it?

Qadri:

Both things I agree. They are both reasons. In local communities there are somebody maybe prevailing on them and making their mindset and number two by and by remaining silent and condoning silently also creates this space.

Sarah Montague:

If, as you seem to be suggesting, other Islamic leaders are reluctant to criticise it, why do you think that is?

Qadri:

Maybe they think they are feeling insecure. There is nobody in other countries to protect them or they are themselves confused conceptually.  

Sarah Montague:

There is another argument which is that there is a pull from what they are saying online and what is being preached, but there is also a push factor. These are perhaps young people who don't feel that they belong here. Is it perhaps that they are second generation in this country and they feel that they neither know their parents' original communities or their new ones: they don't feel they belong.

Qadri:

I think whether this is a  matter of second generation or third generation if the wrong message continues to be carried and it goes on influencing the minds of the next generation then at any time anyone can get affected and in addition to that international situation sometimes not always in your favour. Whatever politically internationally is happening is not according to your wish or according to your desire so there are many issues which may create further frustrations and hatred against one another. So we should continue this message and we should try to influence the generations whether second or third or fourth to always be peaceful or always condoning acts of extremism acts of terrorism wherever it is. It should be put on the curriculum. It should be made compulsory for Muslim students and should be made optional for non-Muslim students, but they should be taught the actual real teachings of Koran and Sunnah based on love and tolerance and co-existence and togetherness.




It is interesting that Qadri thinks condone and condemn are synonyms.

The questions no Western journalist will ask are as follows:


  1. If there are just wars, surely there must logically and necessarily be just acts of terrorism?
  2. Is terrorism intrinsically worse than war?
  3. Isn't terrorism just a poor man's war?
  4. Isn't all terrorism without exception a response to bad government policy?
  5. Isn't one man's terrorist another man's freedom fighter?
  6. Wasn't Nelson Mandela imprisoned for terrorist offences?
  7. Why was Nelson Mandela - a former terrorist - later considered a world statesman?
  8. Why are Sinn Fein now considered respectable when the voices of their leaders was not even allowed on the BBC? 
  9. If both terrorism and war have the effect of killing non-combatants, does terrorism have the virtue of killing fewer of them?
  10. Does Britain have an independent foreign policy or is it just a US missile base?
  11. Would you agree that Britain has had an irrational foreign policy for over 100 years?
  12. Is it possible that Muslim terrorists commit their terrorism in the knowledge that the Israel lobby controls American politics and that Britain is but a mere vassal state of the US who are in turn controlled by the Israel lobby?
  13. Could the antisemitism of the 21st century harboured by Muslims towards Jews be explained by Question 12?
  14. Would any Western journalist be sacked the moment he or she asked any of the above questions?
  15. Would any Muslim in the West be branded an extremist the moment they made any of the points contained in the questions above?
  16. Why would any questioning, informed and intelligent adolescent trust any information received from Western media, if they already knew the answers to the questions I have asked?
  17. Is not the government's and the media's refusal to ask and address these questions in themselves a major factor in radicalisation?
  18. What are we to think if Western media and governments refuse to address these questions honestly and directly?
  19. If Western governments and media pointedly refuse to discuss these questions what are we to think? 
http://www.quilliamfoundation.org/press/quilliam-alert-quilliam-welcomes-the-minhaj-ul-quran-initiative-to-prevent-islamist-radicalisation/

http://www.pat.com.pk/english/tid/13644/About-PAT/ is the party that Dr Qadri leads. Does it sound libtard enough to be backed by the Neocons?

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