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Muhammad Mustaqeem Shah via Daily Mail
Nor come near to adultery: for it is a shameful (deed) and an evil opening the road (to other evils).
O Allah! Give us the chance to die on Iman/faith and save us from shameful end, Ameen.
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Claire Khaw It is not adultery if neither were married.
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Kamal Hussain ^What planet are you on?
LikeReply · Storify14 February at 12:54

Claire Khaw Planet earth. What about you?
LikeReply · Storify4 February at 13:02
Kamal Hussain Yeah, same here.

Except your deluded comment about the Quran endorsing prostitution is as absurd as flying pigs. Actually there's better chances of seeing pigs, with the continued testing on animals in labs and failed pharmaceutical programmes, since the Quran has not been altered from it's original text whereas pigs have deformations (due to afore given reasons and so on).

So either you are ignorant of the 1400+ years of Islamic history, not that I blame you, or your head's elsewhere.
LikeReply · Storify24 February at 13:10
Kamran Khan from planet earth yet so ignorant and misinformed. Islam allows no such thing. Go hang off a library book shelf
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Claire Khaw 024.033
YUSUFALI: Let those who find not the wherewithal for marriage keep themselves chaste, until Allah gives them means out of His grace. And if any of your slaves ask for a deed in writing (to enable them to earn their freedom for a certain sum), give them such a deed if ye know any good in them: yea, give them something yourselves out of the means which Allah has given to you. But force not your maids to prostitution when they desire chastity, in order that ye may make a gain in the goods of this life. But if anyone compels them, yet, after such compulsion, is Allah, Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful (to them),

PICKTHAL: And let those who cannot find a match keep chaste till Allah give them independence by His grace. And such of your slaves as seek a writing (of emancipation), write it for them if ye are aware of aught of good in them, and bestow upon them of the wealth of Allah which He hath bestowed upon you. Force not your slave-girls to whoredom that ye may seek enjoyment of the life of the world, if they would preserve their chastity. And if one force them, then (unto them), after their compulsion, lo! Allah will be Forgiving, Merciful.

SHAKIR: And let those who do not find the means to marry keep chaste until Allah makes them free from want out of His grace. And (as for) those who ask for a writing from among those whom your right hands possess, give them the writing if you know any good in them, and give them of the wealth of Allah which He has given you; and do not compel your slave girls to prostitution, when they desire to keep chaste, in order to seek the frail good of this world's life; and whoever compels them, then surely after their compulsion Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
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Fesso Pug Ess The translation is not entirely accurate on your link you provided. You are just copying and pasting inaccurate translations of the Quran. Even a single word mistranslated gives a verse a total different meaning. Adultery/fornication and any other similar practices are strictly forbidden, no ifs or buts. And yes, slavery is not permitted either.
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Claire Khaw The Koran does not forbid slavery.
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Fesso Pug Ess It doesn't allow it. You are taking things way out of context. Typical...
LikeReply · Storify4 February at 13:36
Claire Khaw Which verse in the Koran forbids slavery?
LikeReply · Storify4 February at 13:36
Fesso Pug Ess It's a big book, I'm sorry I don't have the verses handy. It actually promotes freeing slaves, because it was a global widespread problem at the time. I've read it and understood it. Why don't you do the same? Instead of picking things out of context and falsely interpreting meanings.
LikeReply · Storify4 February at 13:40
Claire Khaw The Koran says free slaves from time to time when you are feeling charitable but it nowhere says abolish slavery. Sorry.
LikeReply · Storify4 February at 13:42
Fesso Pug Ess Apology accepted.
LikeReply · Storify4 February at 13:43
Claire Khaw I should have said "Sorry to disappoint you, but the Koran does not abolish slavery."
LikeReply · Storify4 February at 13:44
Fesso Pug Ess So it was Muslims who enslaved the african continent was it? Time to hop off your high horse. But if charity is a pillar of Islam, and as you say it is a charitable act then surely it would end the practice over time?
LikeReply · Storify4 February at 13:47
Fesso Pug Ess Abu need your expertise lol.
LikeReply · Storify4 February at 13:50
Claire Khaw Slavery is an institution, like marriage and prostitution.

If God is rational, He would not criminalise institutions, but regulate them.

The Koran tolerates prostitution, provided you do not force your slave girls into prostitution.

If slave girls are allowed to be prostitutes, then all the more would free-born women be free to become prostitutes. Just saying.
LikeReply · Storify4 February at 13:52Edited
Claire Khaw Obviously, you would *not* allow your slave girls to just ply their trade of prostitution in the streets, because they would run away and you will have lost your investment.

If your slave girls are to be prostitutes, then they would have to work in ...See More
LikeReply · Storify4 February at 13:54Edited
Claire Khaw War is also an institution, and this is also regulated by the Koran.
LikeReply · Storify4 February at 13:55Edited
Fesso Pug Ess OMG. Slave girls? You are extremely deluded. Please stop embarrassing yourself Claire.
LikeReply · Storify4 February at 13:56
Claire Khaw What do you think 24:33 is referring to then?

Force not your slave-girls to whoredom that ye may seek enjoyment of the life of the world, if they would preserve their chastity. And if one force them, then (unto them), after their compulsion, lo! Allah will be Forgiving, Merciful.
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Fesso Pug Ess I don't have the Quran handy like i said previously.
LikeReply · Storify4 February at 13:59
Claire Khaw Then only respond when you have it to hand. God is with those who are patient and persevere.
LikeReply · Storify4 February at 13:59
Fesso Pug Ess You've got all these "Islam bashing" material all ready to be copied and pasted. Are you a troll? I'm all for debating but you keep taking things of context to suit your thoughts/feelings about Islam.
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Fesso Pug Ess Have a nice day Claire, i might come back and have a chat later if i get a chance. 
LikeReply · Storify4 February at 14:02
Sajjad Shah Hadith have shown our Prophet SAW always encouraged to free slaves.

Islam gave the rights to slaves. Do you know a Slave could take his owner to court?

If you read History Islam spread so far within 30years had taken over the Persian empire and Eastern Roman Empire. People happly accepted Islam. They weren't forced.

The thing is while Islam gave them rights and always encouraged to free slaves. It was normal to have them, many great leaders and kings had them.

Before looking at Islam and slavery. Look at how the west treated Black people. It's not long ago that slavery was abolished.

Oh yeah btw we always talk about black slavery but did you know that the blacks also had thousands maybe millions of Eurpeon slaves in North Africa. Learn history stop this "Oh islam allowed this and that" it was normal infact you will see that Prophet David had thousands of concubines in the Bible.

Do you know that slaves were educated ? Search about the mamaluke who were trained and taught and defeated great armies.

In Madina Slaves use to be bought and taught Islam and then freed famous person to do that was Imam Zain ul abideen. Who use to sell them? Muslims? I doubt it.
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Claire Khaw Why don't you answer my question: which verse in the Koran says "Abolish slavery"?
LikeReply · Storify4 February at 14:15
Claire Khaw Why can't you answer a simple question without accusing me of something?
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Kamal Hussain This woman's a troll, aren't you Claire?

Islam came at a time when slavery ALREADY existed - of course there would be verses related to what's on Earth - not hypothetical nuances.

But guess what Claire - when slavery had already been eradicated (and why wouldn't it since the immense reward attached to freeing a slave is so apparent in our texts, it's even on the translation you provided in the link) your ancestors had enslaved the continent of Africa.

You're so backward Claire. Save yourself from further embarrassment and just be quite or apologise for your ignorance.
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Claire Khaw Why don't you answer my question: which verse in the Koran says "Abolish slavery"?

I don't my admitting that I don't know which verse in the Koran abolishes slavery.

However, it seems you don't know either, so you share my ignorance.
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Kamal Hussain Get lost you great grand-daughter of a slave owner.
LikeReply · Storify4 February at 14:23
Claire Khaw Why don't you answer my question: which verse in the Koran says "Abolish slavery"?
LikeReply · Storify4 February at 14:29
Muzzy Khan Let us now address the objection that Islam is the great upholder of human rights. Then how is it that it allows the enslaving of human beings?
This objection is a fallacy based on the false analogy drawn between Islamic concept of slavery and its prac...See More
LikeReply · Storify14 February at 15:51
Muzzy Khan To sum up: anyone who looks impartially at the comprehensive reforms Islam introduced in the system of slavery, he cannot escape the conclusion that drawing analogy between Islamic concept of slavery and its practice among other nations is absolutely f...See More
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Fesso Pug Ess It clears up my initial thought. She's a troll. Keeps asking the same irrelevant question. All you see above are answers to your repetitive question. Now the fact you can't use your brain to reason the topic debated is not anybody else's fault.
LikeReply · Storify4 February at 18:23
Claire Khaw I can reason that you have not produced a single verse that says slavery should be abolished. despite your huffing and puffing.
LikeReply · Storify4 February at 18:50
Kamal Hussain She asks for Quran - I present to her (Claire) historical facts. Does the Quran have specific frameworks on what is 'good behaviour?' No, but we find it in the Sunnah of our beloved Prophet Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم.

So your constant barrage on 'one verse one verse' is quite ludicrous Claire, get over yourself. Even if the Quran had a specific verse, you would find another avenue to start a discussion where there is none. Go figure, that an oppressed man like Al-Hajj Malik Shabbazz (AKA Malcolm X) saw the equality of Islam and made no mention of this, but this privileged woman (or troll) blows her trumpet.

Why don't you talk about Modern slavery and about what's happening now if you're such an ambassador of 'Human Rights?'

Why don't you go elsewhere rather than nitpick on the only successful nation on the planet which removed racism from society and eradicated slavery from it's society - until they were colonised by your people and taught 'lower values' by your people?

Go and address Capitalism, the IMF and World Bank if you care so much and take your huffing and puffing over there if you are upright.

But I doubt you are.
Save your breath (or finger strength) and do something productive Claire rather than trying to find a speck of dust on a cloud.
LikeReply · Storify15 February at 08:25Edited
Abubakar Douglas Claire Khaw there is not a verse that says "abolish slavery", per sae.

That does not mean that slavery is encouraged or should not be worked towards being abolished.

There is no verse that says establish slavery or a slave trade either.

A look at Islam will show anyone that slavery is disliked and the freeing of slaves encouraged.
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Muhammad Mustaqeem Shah Claire Khaw 24:33 is absolutely clear.
One needs to start reading from a couple of verses before that. So, the same chapter 24; Noor (light) says in 30 "tell the believers to lower their gaze and guard their chastity...". 31: commands the same to believing women. And it mentions the whole list of who is allowed to see her outer body's beauty and who isn't etc. This is called decency By the way.
32 commands that the unmarried ones should be married. Why? What is the goal and purpose of marriage? To guard the chastity etc and not even to look at the money factor for Allah will make them content and give them sustenance out of His grace and He is 'waaai' (great provider/generous) and All-Knowing.
Then starts 33 that your are referring to.
Which says: " وليستعفف الذين لا يجدون نكاحا حتي يغنهم الله من فضله...".
In this 33, there is nothing you that indicates towards the 'claim' you are making! Rather you assume things and read your own mind which is absolutely a 'fabricated' narrative. I don't understand how and from where did you bring this business of no married people having sex and yet not committing adultery? And so on.
I hope you correct your 'facts'!
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Muhammad Mustaqeem Shah Claire Khaw wrong understanding bro!
This is called القيد الإتفاقي in Arabic literature which literally means 'accidental condition' and there are numerous example of this in Qur'an. Meaning that if the Slave girls wanted to stay chaste, don't force th...See More
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Muhammad Mustaqeem Shah Claire Khaw It is not allowed for a woman to commit adultery or fornication) whether she is a slave woman or a free woman, and it is not permissible for her master to allow her to do so; rather, he is obliged to prevent her from committing Zina according to his ability. This verse was revealed to clarify what used to happen at that time as some hypocrites, like ‘Abdullaah ibn Ubay ibn Salool, used to compel their slave girls to commit Zina so that they would bring them some money, so the verse prohibited them from doing so.
The condition of desiring chastity in the verse is mentioned because it corresponds to the state of being compelled to do so and this is the case in which desiring chastely often exists, because if a slave girl does that out of her own will, then she does not need to be compelled to do that in principle, and this meaning is mentioned by Ibn Al-‘Arabi may Allaah have mercy upon him in his book entitled “Ahkaam Al-Quran” (The Rulings of the Quran).
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Claire Khaw Non-prostitute women are not allowed to have extramarital sex, but prostitutes are.

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Abubakar Douglas If you really think that's what the verse says Claire then there is little anyone can say to change your mind.

It clearly doesn't but . . .
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Claire Khaw It says what it says and you cannot interpret it away, which is why you keep trying to distract me with other verses.
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Claire Khaw Kufrul-'Inaad: Disbelief out of stubbornness. This applies to someone who knows the Truth and admits to knowing the Truth, and knowing it with his tongue, but refuses to accept it and refrains from making a declaration. Allah says: Throw into Hell ever...See More
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Muhammad Mustaqeem Shah I believe there is not any shadow of doubt left on this topic and if you insist on wasting my time by keep on going, you can't, as I refuse to say anything more, cos there is nothing to say except what Qur'an itself directs is to say to people like you; Peace!
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Claire Khaw You want to win the argument even you cannot answer my questions? It is your Facebook wall, and I must respect your wishes. I am in any case outnumbered by your friends who also insist that the Koran has abolished slavery without being able to point to a single verse to support it. That is the tyranny of the majority.
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Muhammad Mustaqeem Shah Claire Khaw I told you clearly. There is no verse in Qur'an that abolishes slavery. Period.
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Claire Khaw Then it means it is not recommended, but tolerated.

http://thevoiceofreason-ann.blogspot.co.uk/.../institutio... explains why the Koran is right to take this view.

The Voice of Reason: Institutions cannot be banned, only regulated
THE FACTS OF LIFE EXPLAINED AND UGLY TRUTHS TOLD The Scream by Edvard Munch graphically expresses what liberals feel when they hear The Voice of Reason - and that is why I am so hated and feared by those whose ideology necessitates a lifelong propagation of Liberal Lies and the cruel and ruthless su…
THEVOICEOFREASON-ANN.BLOGSPOT.COM|BY CLAIRE KHAW
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Muzzy Khan Claire khaw.
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Kamal Hussain The Orientalist believes she knows the deen more than the one who has submitted to it.

The Orientalist refuses to acknowledge modern day slavery by commenting upon it and instead keeps diverting the discussion to suit her own agenda.

Claire get lost.
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Muhammad Mustaqeem Shah Whatever it means is your own personal take. As far as Muslim scholars and theologians are concerned, the answer and history of the past 14 and half a century is witness. Thanks.
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Abubakar Douglas Claire it is a translation.

As you can see by the three translations you quote Arabic doesn't readily translate into English word for word.

Nowhere in the verse you quote does it say that prostitution is allowed or acceptable.

You take it that this is implied but there is no evidence of this either in the translation or in the original verse.

I realise that you will not change your stance but it is clearly wrong, I know of no Arabic Scholar who shares your interpretation and strangely many will accept their words rather than yours.
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Claire Khaw Good. I am delighted that Muslims take this position as I suspected they would, because under Secular Koranism things would be different.

http://thevoiceofreason-ann.blogspot.co.uk/.../secular...



The Voice of Reason: Secular Koranism
THEVOICEOFREASON-ANN.BLOGSPOT.COM|BY CLAIRE KHAW
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Kamal Hussain You interpret things how you want, not how it is. So honestly get lost, you're infected way of thinking is only blinding you, not us.

You're the one trying to win this argument by intentionally misleading and misinterpreting the verses.

If slavery was endorsed in Islam it would have increased - we see the opposite in history where slavery was eradicated in Muslim civilisation and instead slavery became a tool for Capitalists to use and it increased manifold in the West! Slavery was used by religious Christians (Puritans) and I have a feeling I've met you before. You're an evangelist if I'm thinking of the right person.
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Kamal Hussain Secular Koranism??? Who's that?
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Kamal Hussain Seriously... Lol

May Allah (عز و جل) guide you Claire, I now see I was correct. You are off your head.

What next - Christo Muhammadanism?
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Claire Khaw Kamal Hussain "If slavery was endorsed in Islam it would have increased" - I doubt if statistics were being compiled by Muslim slavers of their trade.
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Claire Khaw Kamal Hussain "slavery became a tool for Capitalists to use and it increased manifold in the West" - it was abolished by the British and the Americans, if you remember.
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Claire Khaw Kamal Hussain "Slavery was used by religious Christians (Puritans)" - When and where?
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Claire Khaw Kamal Hussain I have never been called an evangelist. Are you suggesting that I am a CHRISTIAN Evangelist?

I have however been called messianic by a friend.
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Claire Khaw I think Secular Koranism is enough to be getting on with. It is the biggest political ideology around, after all: bigger than Liberalism, Communism and Socialism put together.

It is absolutely perfect that Muslims hate it, because I can use their hatred of Secular Koranism to distinguish *my* Koranic law from *their* sharia.
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Claire Khaw You wish to bring back slavery. How would that work?

CK: Bankrupts and criminals unable to financially compensate for the damage to property or injury to person or death they caused could be enslaved. Ownership of the slave would reside in the state and the state would hire out the labour of these slaves to hirers through the Department of Work Pensions and Manumissions. Slavery could be an alternative form of welfare since the hirers would be expected to accommodate and feed the slaves. Slave Visitors would be like Social Workers visiting slaves to see if they are working properly and to see that the hirers are not damaging government property. Illegal immigrants could also be enslaved, which is easier and cheaper than rounding them up and sending them back where they came from. Council accommodation could perhaps become slave quarters.

http://www.verbalremedy.co.uk/slavery-and-sluttery-an.../
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Claire Khaw "I see no harm in introducing a form of slavery with those who don't have the right papers and aren't British citizens. After five years they are free to go. They can re-enslave themselves for a further five years and thereafter become British citizens. It would solve the Labour shortage ... Then everyone would be happy."

http://www.theguardian.com/.../apr/29/stephen-bates-diary
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Muhammad Mustaqeem Shah Kamal Hussain I believe it is an unwise use of our precious time to be arguing with ignorants, Allah says describing the servants of Rahman:
وإذا خاطبهم الجاهلون قالوا سلاما.
" and when the ignorant ones address them, they say Salam/peace be on to you. (And leave them alone, saving their energy and time etc).
I know Claire Khaw from some previous encounters. She is a self promoting person senselessly throwing out links to her articles to multiply her 'ratings' and 'views'. Let her die her own death inshaAllah.
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Claire Khaw You should be supporting me because it is my purpose to introduce a FIFTH school of sharia.
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Claire Khaw Obviously I have to promote myself to get my ideas heard.
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Claire Khaw Surely Secular Koranism is better than PC Libtard laws that would cause your children and descendants to become as degenerate as the children of PC Libtards?
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Kamal Hussain You're right brother, she's lost the plot. I pray no one takes this waste of time seriously.

May Allah (عز و جل) guide you Claire.
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Claire Khaw It is such a shame that you share the same traits of PC Libtards who tell me I am mad, but seem unable to point out anything illogical or untrue that I have ever said.

I suspect it is because you are afraid of discussing radical ideas.
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Claire Khaw Unless Muslims in the West do something for non-Muslim Islamophobes, these Islamophobes will continue to hate and fear you.

I think you owe it to yourselves to discuss a few radical ideas, such as being seen to be useful to them in solving their problems.

Otherwise, they will just hate and fear you more and more , and one day this hatred and fear will violently explode on a mass scale.
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Muhammad Mustaqeem Shah Kamal Hussain she is a waste of space. Not worth it. Period.
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Claire Khaw What is the problem of the West?

I would say it is feminism.

Islam is of course the antidote to feminism, but many of these Islamophobes are of the view that the cure would be worse than the disease.

Basically, Secular Koranism offers the beta male victims of feminism the middle way between PC Libtard laws that they hate and the kind of sharia law ISIS might impose if they get here.
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Claire Khaw What is the obvious difference between Islam and PC Liberalism?

It is sex, of course.

PC Liberalism is about degenerate sexual liberation and extramarital sex, and the Bible/Koran is about criminalising extramarital sex.

Therein lies the real difference.

Islamophobes hate Muslims for the following reasons:
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Claire Khaw 1) Because they already hate immigrants and other races who are already in their country and Muslims are the ones that they find the most alien and threatening.
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Claire Khaw


Imran Ahmed unbelievable...she is ethnic minority herself you would think she would know better
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Claire Khaw Know better than to WHAT?