I was hoping we would discuss the following in this stream, but this didn't quite happen. I joined the stream and said what was on my mind and then fell asleep.
Read this essay by @davisbcampbell about why there can't be "white nationalism" because whites are not a nation. In fact this term is just a misleading way of saying "racism." I was planning on writing an essay on this, but the main arguments are made here clearly and well. https://t.co/fgDm0EB4gt— Yoram Hazony (@yhazony) August 12, 2018
"The ban on Chinese immigration and naturalization continued until 1943, when Congress established a Chinese immigration quota—of 105 people a year." https://t.co/e1Vu8YKMrw https://t.co/976YkwbY7S— (((Luke Ford))) (@lukeford) August 12, 2018
I didn't say that there is no such thing as racism in American history. That would be absurd. I said that "whites" are not a nation. Americans, English, French, Italians--those are nations.— Yoram Hazony (@yhazony) August 12, 2018
There's no such moral category as "racism" as this moral category was completely unknown prior to the 20th Century and no gadol (great rabbi) has ever bothered to write a book about it. Ergo, it does not exist. https://t.co/DhEPJ7gGHX— (((Luke Ford))) (@lukeford) August 12, 2018
If you don't like the word racism, then use biological determinism. The important point is that Jews have always allowed converts into the Jewish people--since Scripture. That what you find in the books of our masoret too. It is loyalty to God and people that makes a nation.— Yoram Hazony (@yhazony) August 12, 2018
And agreement to abide under the same moral system.— Claire Khaw (@MinimumSt8) August 12, 2018
A nation can consist of only one tribe or be an empire consisting of former nations. The centre holds as long as the rules are fair enough and generally agreed to, but if around a half are unhappy - and I believe about half are now unhappy in the West - the centre cannot hold.— Claire Khaw (@MinimumSt8) August 12, 2018
When I woke up I found I had been removed from the hangout. It was basically 5 hours of complaining about antifa from what I could make of it.
I suspect I was removed because the white nationalists who tuned into listen were in no mood for discussing the finer points of nationalism and Luke was probably right to avoid antagonising them by discussing whether their aspiration towards peoplehood is somehow illegitimate because they share no common religion. It is an important subject, but the audience on this stream would have been unreceptive to the views, especially of non-whites on white nationalism denying them their peoplehood and pointing out the categorical error at the heart of White Nationalism.
"One of the assumptions of white nationalism is that 'white people' are a distinct group united by a common heritage and a common interest in preserving that heritage. This assumption is false." @davisbcampbell https://t.co/l47uP1jaNY— Arc Digital (@ArcDigi) August 11, 2018
.@sarahjeong said #cancelwhitepeople , @davisbcampbell (who is sort of Chinese) says #cancelwhitenationalism E Michael Jones says "No religion, no white identity."— Claire Khaw (@MinimumSt8) August 12, 2018
I agree, but he thinks the answer to the problem of white identity is Catholicism. https://t.co/pnHrdJl0ps https://t.co/0hSF2Zg5De
Are you saying that white people have no means of giving effect to their aspiration to have an ethnostate unless they become Catholic? E Michael Jones would agree with you.— Claire Khaw (@MinimumSt8) August 13, 2018
I'm not saying that. And becoming Catholic wouldn't suddenly make white people into a nation.— 戴维斯 (@davisbcampbell) August 13, 2018
Why not?— Claire Khaw (@MinimumSt8) August 13, 2018
Why would it? Plenty of non-white Catholics out there— 戴维斯 (@davisbcampbell) August 13, 2018
You can have different Catholic nations eg Spain, Italy.— Claire Khaw (@MinimumSt8) August 13, 2018
Spaniards and Italians are people groups. "Whites" is a collection of unrelated people groups— 戴维斯 (@davisbcampbell) August 13, 2018
Spaniards and Italians are people groups relating to people in Spain and Italy. White nationalists presumably inhabit space and territory eg US, UK, France, Germany, Ireland etc— Claire Khaw (@MinimumSt8) August 13, 2018
Was your article intended to be helpful, or was it just intended to delegitimise Trump supporters?— Claire Khaw (@MinimumSt8) August 13, 2018
my article is intended to delegitimize white nationalism— 戴维斯 (@davisbcampbell) August 13, 2018
Are you are telling white people that they have no right to their own nationhood, in whichever nation they happen to be in?— Claire Khaw (@MinimumSt8) August 13, 2018
In one of your articles, you grant collective identity to African Americans given that their shared history has helped shape their unique identity. Why don't you grant white Americans the same? Surely, we have shared history, separate and distinct from our European backgrounds.— PuddHoney🍯 (@PuddHoney) August 13, 2018
the history that white Americans share is not unique to white Americans— 戴维斯 (@davisbcampbell) August 13, 2018
So who else shares the history of white Americans?— Claire Khaw (@MinimumSt8) August 13, 2018
"The history that white Australians share is not unique to white Australians."— PuddHoney🍯 (@PuddHoney) August 13, 2018
Sounds equally false to me. How do they not have a unique culture?
HOW TO CREATE PEOPLEHOOD WHERE NONE EXISTED BEFORE— Claire Khaw (@MinimumSt8) August 13, 2018
1) Call those who complain about immigration evil Fascist Nazi Islamophobic racist misogynists who are literally Hitler.
2) Treat them as a group while at the same time denying them their peoplehood.
You have created a group
Once a group is created, its members must acquire group consciousness to perpetuate the existence of the group. A narrative as to the origins of the group would have to be created and members of this group would be expected to know this. A moral system would have to be imposed.— Claire Khaw (@MinimumSt8) August 13, 2018
Gosh. Did I just create White Peoplehood out of nothing? What a clever girl I must be! If only I were clever enough to know when my genius will finally be acknowledged.— Claire Khaw (@MinimumSt8) August 13, 2018
haha even if white Americans are not a distinct group, which I would argue they have become such, there is still the matter of how they are treated within a social contract. Consider Christopher Langan's words on identity politics: pic.twitter.com/KxFhmzEvsv— PuddHoney🍯 (@PuddHoney) August 13, 2018
More thoughts on "white nationalism"https://t.co/w5PaMHugE4— 戴维斯 (@davisbcampbell) August 13, 2018
What race willingly suffers uncontrolled immigration?— Claire Khaw (@MinimumSt8) August 13, 2018
"the question becomes ... whether their nation ought to exist. And it should be easy to see that the nation described above ought not to exist, as one of its core commitments is white supremacy."— Claire Khaw (@MinimumSt8) August 13, 2018
But these people already do exist and they live in nations.
All you can hope for is that they do not get to conduct the pogrom that they want to conduct since they do not need your approval or your recognition of their right to exist and their right to hold the views that they do. Good government is a way of avoiding civil disorder.— Claire Khaw (@MinimumSt8) August 13, 2018
Your attitude seems to be a feminine stratagem of denial as if your view on this matter alone is enough to settle the matter once and for all.— Claire Khaw (@MinimumSt8) August 13, 2018
"bad nations are predicated on the oppression of those who do not belong to the nation."— Claire Khaw (@MinimumSt8) August 13, 2018
Shouldn't illegal immigrants be deported?
One the more interesting things said about me in the chat was by one Blake Anderson around 56:00 saying:
Claire you come across like a therapist. This comes across as condescending.
It was intended as a criticism, but I take it as a compliment.
It has actually been my intention to put white people on the couch.
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/on-the-couch
Have white people reached a stage where they can bear neither their vices nor their cure?
If the problem is matriarchy, then patriarchy must be the cure.
If the destination is patriarchy, theocracy must be the vehicle.
https://www.surveymonkey.co.uk/r/96RQWJV
http://thevoiceofreason-ann.blogspot.com/2014/05/secular-koranism.html
Have white people reached a stage where they can bear neither their vices nor their cure?
If the problem is matriarchy, then patriarchy must be the cure.
If the destination is patriarchy, theocracy must be the vehicle.
https://www.surveymonkey.co.uk/r/96RQWJV
http://thevoiceofreason-ann.blogspot.com/2014/05/secular-koranism.html
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