tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7747759322341026313.post9033080584872700582..comments2023-12-31T07:32:12.295+00:00Comments on The Voice of Reason: How to solve the problem of IsraelClaire Khawhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11557436240917008429noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7747759322341026313.post-36243712144470164132015-02-16T13:29:22.422+00:002015-02-16T13:29:22.422+00:00I think the Holy Land should be reserved only for ...I think the Holy Land should be reserved only for the most pious adherents of Judaism, Christianity and Islam because it is my intention that Israel should be used to showcase the first 21st century theocracy. It would be silly to allow this social and political experiment to be ruined by bad hats and irreligious people who don't really deserve to live in the Holy Land. <br /><br />I suggest that irreligious and atheist countries sympathetic to their plight take them in.Claire Khawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11557436240917008429noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7747759322341026313.post-39422901558259572102015-02-16T13:28:14.831+00:002015-02-16T13:28:14.831+00:00Claire, one small flaw with your masterplan. Where...Claire, one small flaw with your masterplan. Where are the millions of secular (and religious} Zionists supposed to go after you''ve booted them out of Israel? Maybe you know of a secular Qur'anic Caliphate that will welcome them with open arms. Personally, I've no objection to a few bad mannered refugees but we've quite enough salespeople in this country already thank you very much.Baruch Solomonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7747759322341026313.post-59316248569773243842015-02-16T13:17:00.369+00:002015-02-16T13:17:00.369+00:00It is always pleasing when someone has actually re...It is always pleasing when someone has actually read what you were trying to say and raises points that show he has understood what you said enough to ask further questions!<br /><br />1st (practical) point - where would all the secular Israelis go? <br /><br />Back to where they came from, or they could stay if they want. A Secular Jew is a contradiction in terms, in my view, since the Old Testament declares that Jews who break the Sabbath should be stoned to death. According to Judaiasm, non-observant Jews do not officially exist or must be executed forthwith. Such Jews should either convert to another religion or formally renounce Judaism. If they are no longer Jews, then they should leave Israel pronto and make way for Observant Jews only since ONLY THEY DESERVE TO LIVE IN THE HOLY LAND.<br /><br />If it were up to me, I would only allow ORTHODOX JEWS to live in Israel and kick out all those Liberal and Reform Jews who are no better than the Jewish equivalent of the Anglican Church. <br /><br />2nd (ethical) point - surely those secular Jews born in Israel should have some say in the matter after all they didn't choose to be born there.<br /><br />Land is scarce and it must somehow be prioritised, especially a piece of land being claimed by all three Abrahamic faiths. <br /><br />3rd (historical) point - you are forgetting that the State of Israel has more international legal justification than almost any other state - check the United Nations vote of 29 November 1947.<br /><br />I am afraid most people think the UN is US and Israel -controlled and most people already know that there are more Jews in the US than in Israel itself. <br /><br />4th (practical, ethical and historical point) - given the attitude of almost every Muslim state to its Jewish population why would Jews have any confidence in such a state as that you propose ?<br /><br />Secular Koranism is a LEGAL SYSTEM and could be run by the existing Israeli judiciary as currently constituted. <br /><br />5th (practical) point - what makes you think the Arab Israeli population would favour your solution?<br /><br />The Arabs would be gratified that a legal system is based on their Holy Book and Jews will find nothing in the Koran that is harsher than the Torah. <br /><br />6th (rational) point - please count the number of Muslim States in the World, then the number of Christian States, then the number of Jewish states - is it really so much to bear for the world that the Jews might have one sliver of land? <br /><br />Jews are perceived to control US foreign policy and the banks so to claim that Jews are landless poor huddled masses will not convince very many, I am afraid. <br /><br />7th (informative) point - if you do not understand that between Neturei Karte and totally secular Jews there is a very broad spectrum with the vast majority of Jews quite a way from those extremes then you lack even a modicum of the necessary knowledge to put forward a solution that has any credibility whatsoever. <br /><br />I am really saying adherents of all 3 Abrahamic faiths should at least be able to agree that Israel should be a theocracy and if so Secular Koranismr must be the answer.<br /><br />If Islam is "Judaism Lite" then Secular Koranism is "Islam Lite".Claire Khawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11557436240917008429noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7747759322341026313.post-43641278957055044822015-02-16T13:16:26.888+00:002015-02-16T13:16:26.888+00:00Claire, I really don't know if you are stupid,...Claire, I really don't know if you are stupid, hateful or delusional. As I don't know you let's assume the latter. <br /><br />1st (practical) point - where would all the secular Israelis go? <br /><br />2nd (ethical) point - surely those secular Jews born in Israel should have some say in the matter after all they didn't choose to be born there.<br /><br />3rd (historical) point - you are forgetting that the State of Israel has more international legal justification than almost any other state - check the United Nations vote of 29 November 1947.<br /><br />4th (practical, ethical and historical point) - given the attitude of almost every Muslim state to its Jewish population why would Jews have any confidence in such a state as that you propose ?<br /><br />5th (practical) point - what makes you think the Arab Israeli population would favour your solution?<br /><br />6th (rational) point - please count the number of Muslim States in the World, then the number of Christian States, then the number of Jewish states - is it really so much to bear for the world that the Jews might have one sliver of land? <br /><br />7th (informative) point - if you do not understand that between Neturei Karte and totally secular Jews there is a very broad spectrum with the vast majority of Jews quite a way from those extremes then you lack even a modicum of the necessary knowledge to put forward a solution that has any credibility whatsoever.Neil Harrisnoreply@blogger.com