http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b05pqsk1
Interview begins at 1:51.
James Naughtie:
The brothers and fathers of convicted sex offenders are 5 times more likely than men in the general population to be sex offenders themselves. This is the claim of researchers who published their findings in the International Journal of Epidemiology. They claim as well that genetic make-up is the key, not the simple fact of being brought up close to an offender, sharing the environment as it were, with them. Let's talk to Professor Seena Fazel who is author of the report and Professor of Psychiatry at the University of Oxford and to Dr Bradley Hillier as well who is consultant in Forensic Psychiatry working in London. Good morning to you both. Professor Fazel first of all, what was your raw material, who did you look at, how big was the group and how long did you study them for?
SF:
It was around 21,000 Swedish convicted sex offenders - they were men - and we looked at them for 37 years so we looked at their family pedigrees over 37 years and examined whether family pedigrees first and second generation relatives were sex offenders.
JN:
And you found a definite link?
SF:
We found a link to the fathers and brothers, as you say, up to a five-fold increased risk of being sex offenders themselves.
JN:
And have you managed to your satisfaction to rule out that that link is something environmental - in other words things that those people were subjected to or saw or felt when they were young were responsible rather than genes?
SF:
The environment does have a contribution but we thought the genetic contribution probably contributed to about 30 to 50% of the risk and we did that by looking at different ways of modelling the family pedigrees so for instance if you take a family where you have a half brother growing up in the same family as a full brother we found quite a large difference in the risk of sexual offending: they are growing up in the same environment yet the only difference is the genetic difference - around 25%. So that was one of the ways that this way of researching it can model these risks.
JN:
Dr Hillier, are you impressed?
BH:
Well, as with any of Professor Fazel's large population studies they do provide valuable insights into the role various factors in offending and in this case the role of genetics, possibly. I think this is something we need to take into account in the understanding of sexual offending which currently is based on attitudes and social learning and being exposed to particular environments.
JN:
So in a way that's easier for us, isn't it? We tend, don't we, to think of impacts on people and trying to either ameliorate those impacts or take those into account when we are trying to treat them. We don't tend to think about genetics because there is nothing we can do about it.
BH:
Perhaps what Dr Fazel is doing is inviting us to take a step back from behaviour and look at causal factors and he is showing some association which may provide future targets for treatment. In terms of treatment I am minded in terms of what your Thought of The Day speaker said in terms of prevention being better than cure, and I work in an organisation called the International Association for Forensic Psychotherapy with international members from Germany where they have the project prevention Dunkelfeld [?] - not anything sinister but it is the dark field that is unseen offending. The network of clinics which has [buy in?] from governments, universities and charities work with people who have concerns about their own risks of sexual offending.
JN:
So, if you come from a family and you sense or are being told that there is a genetic risk of sexual offending you can go yourself and seek help?
BH:
That's right. You can do in Germany but of course in the UK you have a law of mandatory reporting of sexual offences including viewing internet pornography and child pornography on the internet.
JN:
Does it go more widely than this, do you think, Professor Fazel, in other words, are sexual offenders at heart violent offenders? Is there a link that isn't just about sexual offending here, but is a wider one as well, about people's behaviour and the extent to which their behaviour more generally comes from their genes?
SN:
Well, I think there is a bit of both and there is probably a contribution from the genes for instance high impulsivity that leads to violent offending but there may also be something specific to sexual offending and that might also be genetically determined for instance hyper-sexuality or not being able to figure out boundaries in relationships - that might be genetically determined. Prevention is key here and one of the possibilities that this type of work leads you to think towards is that if there are high risk families already receiving services from child and family services or other services it might be that these families can receive other interventions around normal relationships.
JN:
Is this something you would like to see, Dr Hillier?
BH:
Well, this is certainly I'd like to see. I think it is important to bear in mind we are dealing with very small absolute numbers even though this risk is something that in a family level is increased by five-fold in terms of the numbers of the general population that this may affect. We deal with very small numbers and sexual offending does remain a rare event.
JN;
Dr Hillier and Professor Seena Fazel as well, thanks to you both very much.
Since prevention is indeed better than cure, then let us prevent bastards being being born by shaming sluts. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slut-shaming
The most effective way of shaming sluts can be found at http://quran.com/24/2
Why will no man to discuss this? Because there are no real men any more and because they are scared of sluts in the feminazi-run BBC, where every other producer is female. Self-censorship is much much more insidious than overt censorship and all the men living in a pornocracy are afraid of losing their privileges. Seena Fazel blocked me on Twitter for saying what I said below, but imagine if all men in the West collectively pretended not to hear or understand what I am saying? Would they be not turning a blind eye to what sluts are doing - breeding yet more degenerate bastards who will turn out to be sex offenders when they grow up? Is this why some young Muslims would rather go join ISIS and die than be part of a pornocratic matriarchy where men whose job it is to investigate the truth and analyse the truth such as journalists routinely look the other way when confronted with it?
Marriage is eugenic, bastardy dysgenic
Claire Khaw's Class and Gender Theory of Western Decline
Professor @seenafazel's study suggests male relatives of sex offenders 5 times more likely to commit similar crimes
http://t.co/cquoXpBHdy
— BBC Radio 4 Today (@BBCr4today) April 9, 2015
A new study suggests genetic factors may play a role in determining how likely someone is to commit sexual offences. Research published in the International Journal of Epidemiology indicates that brothers and fathers of men convicted of sexual offences are up to five times more likely to be convicted of sexual offences than men in the general population. The report authors concluded that genetic factors were found to make a substantial contribution to this increased risk, with the shared family environment having a relatively small influence. The study, conducted by researchers from Oxford University and the Karolinska Institute in Sweden, used statistical methods to analyse data on all 21,566 men convicted of sexual offences in Sweden between 1973 and 2009. Seena Fazel is the report author and Professor of Forensic Psychiatry, University of Oxford and Dr Bradley Hillier is a consultant in Forensic Psychiatry (working with mentally disordered offenders at South West London and St Georges NHS Trust).
Interview begins at 1:51.
James Naughtie:
The brothers and fathers of convicted sex offenders are 5 times more likely than men in the general population to be sex offenders themselves. This is the claim of researchers who published their findings in the International Journal of Epidemiology. They claim as well that genetic make-up is the key, not the simple fact of being brought up close to an offender, sharing the environment as it were, with them. Let's talk to Professor Seena Fazel who is author of the report and Professor of Psychiatry at the University of Oxford and to Dr Bradley Hillier as well who is consultant in Forensic Psychiatry working in London. Good morning to you both. Professor Fazel first of all, what was your raw material, who did you look at, how big was the group and how long did you study them for?
SF:
It was around 21,000 Swedish convicted sex offenders - they were men - and we looked at them for 37 years so we looked at their family pedigrees over 37 years and examined whether family pedigrees first and second generation relatives were sex offenders.
JN:
And you found a definite link?
SF:
We found a link to the fathers and brothers, as you say, up to a five-fold increased risk of being sex offenders themselves.
JN:
And have you managed to your satisfaction to rule out that that link is something environmental - in other words things that those people were subjected to or saw or felt when they were young were responsible rather than genes?
SF:
The environment does have a contribution but we thought the genetic contribution probably contributed to about 30 to 50% of the risk and we did that by looking at different ways of modelling the family pedigrees so for instance if you take a family where you have a half brother growing up in the same family as a full brother we found quite a large difference in the risk of sexual offending: they are growing up in the same environment yet the only difference is the genetic difference - around 25%. So that was one of the ways that this way of researching it can model these risks.
JN:
Dr Hillier, are you impressed?
BH:
Well, as with any of Professor Fazel's large population studies they do provide valuable insights into the role various factors in offending and in this case the role of genetics, possibly. I think this is something we need to take into account in the understanding of sexual offending which currently is based on attitudes and social learning and being exposed to particular environments.
JN:
So in a way that's easier for us, isn't it? We tend, don't we, to think of impacts on people and trying to either ameliorate those impacts or take those into account when we are trying to treat them. We don't tend to think about genetics because there is nothing we can do about it.
BH:
Perhaps what Dr Fazel is doing is inviting us to take a step back from behaviour and look at causal factors and he is showing some association which may provide future targets for treatment. In terms of treatment I am minded in terms of what your Thought of The Day speaker said in terms of prevention being better than cure, and I work in an organisation called the International Association for Forensic Psychotherapy with international members from Germany where they have the project prevention Dunkelfeld [?] - not anything sinister but it is the dark field that is unseen offending. The network of clinics which has [buy in?] from governments, universities and charities work with people who have concerns about their own risks of sexual offending.
JN:
So, if you come from a family and you sense or are being told that there is a genetic risk of sexual offending you can go yourself and seek help?
BH:
That's right. You can do in Germany but of course in the UK you have a law of mandatory reporting of sexual offences including viewing internet pornography and child pornography on the internet.
JN:
Does it go more widely than this, do you think, Professor Fazel, in other words, are sexual offenders at heart violent offenders? Is there a link that isn't just about sexual offending here, but is a wider one as well, about people's behaviour and the extent to which their behaviour more generally comes from their genes?
SN:
Well, I think there is a bit of both and there is probably a contribution from the genes for instance high impulsivity that leads to violent offending but there may also be something specific to sexual offending and that might also be genetically determined for instance hyper-sexuality or not being able to figure out boundaries in relationships - that might be genetically determined. Prevention is key here and one of the possibilities that this type of work leads you to think towards is that if there are high risk families already receiving services from child and family services or other services it might be that these families can receive other interventions around normal relationships.
JN:
Is this something you would like to see, Dr Hillier?
BH:
Well, this is certainly I'd like to see. I think it is important to bear in mind we are dealing with very small absolute numbers even though this risk is something that in a family level is increased by five-fold in terms of the numbers of the general population that this may affect. We deal with very small numbers and sexual offending does remain a rare event.
JN;
Dr Hillier and Professor Seena Fazel as well, thanks to you both very much.
Since prevention is indeed better than cure, then let us prevent bastards being being born by shaming sluts. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slut-shaming
The most effective way of shaming sluts can be found at http://quran.com/24/2
Why will no man to discuss this? Because there are no real men any more and because they are scared of sluts in the feminazi-run BBC, where every other producer is female. Self-censorship is much much more insidious than overt censorship and all the men living in a pornocracy are afraid of losing their privileges. Seena Fazel blocked me on Twitter for saying what I said below, but imagine if all men in the West collectively pretended not to hear or understand what I am saying? Would they be not turning a blind eye to what sluts are doing - breeding yet more degenerate bastards who will turn out to be sex offenders when they grow up? Is this why some young Muslims would rather go join ISIS and die than be part of a pornocratic matriarchy where men whose job it is to investigate the truth and analyse the truth such as journalists routinely look the other way when confronted with it?
Good balanced piece on 'genetics of sex offending' study http://t.co/iq2h0F4CId from @seenafazel's group. Full paper http://t.co/iLiJHimyuZ
— Vaughan Bell (@vaughanbell) April 9, 2015
@vaughanbell @seenafazel No mention about their mother. Were they illegitimate? I think we should be told. Classic case of BAD MOTHERING.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) April 9, 2015
@vaughanbell @seenafazel Mind you, it will be difficult to tell if most Swedes are illegitimate and most mothers Slut Single Mothers.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) April 9, 2015
@vaughanbell @seenafazel In Britain most mothers are Slut Single Mothers so most Britons will be BASTARDS. http://t.co/JDM3YSYOfm
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) April 9, 2015
@vaughanbell @seenafazel If u r a bastard then your mother is a slut. If your mother is a slut then you are half full of stupid slut genes.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) April 9, 2015
@vaughanbell @seenafazel A stupid fornicating slut would by definition choose her sex partner(s) badly and make bad reproductive decisions.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) April 9, 2015
@vaughanbell @seenafazel The reason why there is a paedo under every bush in the West is because most Western women are SLUTS.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) April 9, 2015
@vaughanbell @seenafazel If paedophiles are mosquitoes, then Slut Single Mothers ("SSMs") are stagnant ponds of water.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) April 9, 2015
@vaughanbell @seenafazel A mother should not be judged merely on her parenting skills but on the quality of her offspring when born.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) April 9, 2015
@vaughanbell @seenafazel If most women are having recreational sex then they are more likely to suffer from unwanted pregnancy.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) April 9, 2015
@vaughanbell @seenafazel A slut suffering from unplanned pregnancy will probably have been knocked up by some loser with a large sex organ.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) April 9, 2015
@vaughanbell @seenafazel Why are the British getting stupider and stupider? Cos knocked up sluts allowed any low status loser to screw them.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) April 9, 2015
@vaughanbell @seenafazel British teenagers have lower IQs than their counterparts did 30 years ago http://t.co/DlF496q0ap
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) April 9, 2015
@vaughanbell @seenafazel Are we becoming more STUPID? IQ scores are decreasing http://t.co/nHqei56gf9
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) April 9, 2015
@vaughanbell @seenafazel Fathers sleazy, mothers lazy: What au pairs REALLY think of middle class British parents http://t.co/X1WIMA9TNO
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) April 9, 2015
@vaughanbell @seenafazel West getting poorer/stupider/weaker/more depraved cos it is now a matriarchy ie ruled by marriage-destroying sluts.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) April 9, 2015
@vaughanbell @seenafazel What created marriage-destroying sluts? Feminism created, encouraged and rewarded marriage-destroying sluts.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) April 9, 2015
@vaughanbell @seenafazel All advanced civilisations are patriarchies and all declining and primitive societies are matriarchies.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) April 9, 2015
@vaughanbell @seenafazel A matriarchy is established in the absence of traditional marriage, which means forbidding extramarital sex.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) April 9, 2015
@vaughanbell @seenafazel Patriachies recognise that laws are required to make people respect marriage but the matriarchy has ended all that.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) April 9, 2015
@vaughanbell @seenafazel http://t.co/t32csFvfTx Human female in a matriarchy makes less rational reproductive decisions than a lower animal.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) April 9, 2015
@vaughanbell @seenafazel Marriage is eugenic, bastardy dsygenic. Nordic women infamously promiscuous before it became globally acceptable.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) April 9, 2015
@vaughanbell @seenafazel Premarital Sexual Permissiveness and Illegitimacy in the Nordic Countries http://t.co/1dFYMV5eFB
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) April 9, 2015
@vaughanbell @seenafazel Imagine the society we wd hv if most women fornicating sluts obsessed by cock fucked useless bastards. Oh wait ...
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) April 9, 2015
@vaughanbell @seenafazel How telling that your "research" does not even mention in passing bad reproductive choices of sex offender's mother
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) April 9, 2015
@vaughanbell @seenafazel The position of men in a matriarchy is that all men are lower than sluts. Did you know that?
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) April 9, 2015
@vaughanbell @seenafazel The leader of a patriarchy wd be an alpha male chosen by beta males. In a matriarchy alpha male chosen by females.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) April 9, 2015
@vaughanbell @seenafazel Did you know the US President is afraid of sluts because they all have the vote? http://t.co/jKcYMTBLCb @AnnCoulter
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) April 9, 2015
@vaughanbell @seenafazel We know who is in power by those whom we dare not criticise and Western men are terrified of sluts.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) April 9, 2015
@vaughanbell @seenafazel Western gvts should bear in mind matriarchal Bonobos are an endangered species while other other chimps are not.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) April 9, 2015
@vaughanbell Surely @seenafazel n Dr Bradley Hillier were exercising self-censorship by omitting to examine the MOTHERING of sex offenders?
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) April 9, 2015
@vaughanbell @seenafazel Matriarchy/pornocracy - where men defer to the worst of women - SSMs. They deserve hatred ridicule and contempt.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) April 9, 2015
@vaughanbell @seenafazel A matriarchy is where the richer, stronger and cleverer submit to be ruled by those poorer, weaker and stupider.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) April 9, 2015
@vaughanbell @seenafazel Why Neanderthal Man died out http://t.co/oBgr4CBxQQ
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) April 9, 2015
@vaughanbell @seenafazel Matriarchal Neanderthals were superseded by patriarchal homo sapiens who invented and practised marriage.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) April 9, 2015
@EducatingJess Why should your mother's choice of a sex partner not also be taken into account?
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) April 10, 2015
@EducatingJess What kind of a woman likes screwing sex offenders and then gets knocked up by them?
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) April 10, 2015
@EducatingJess More than likely the sex offender in question is a bastard in both senses of the word. http://t.co/1Qxd1OPLHU
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) April 10, 2015
@seenafazel @clairlemon @vaughanbell What about the link between your mother being a slut and growing up 2b a criminal and/or sex offender?
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) April 10, 2015
@ravenwolf68 @Spidere Why is no one even asking about the mother of the sex offender in question and whether the sex offender is a bastard?
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) April 10, 2015
@EducatingJess If your father is a sex offender and your mother was knocked up by him, what does it say about her as a person?
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) April 10, 2015
@clairlemon @vaughanbell Why is @seenafazel AFRAID to investigate the GENETIC INHERITANCE FROM THE SEX OFFENDER'S *MOTHER*?? @wellcometrust
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) April 10, 2015
@clairlemon @vaughanbell Is it time now for @seenafazel to be investigating the link between bastardy and sexual offending? @wellcometrust
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) April 10, 2015
@clairlemon @vaughanbell Is @seenafazel, like all men in the West, afraid of offending sluts? @wellcometrust http://t.co/wIBkkUugLC
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) April 10, 2015
@clairlemon @vaughanbell What are we to think of @seenafazel who is afraid to investigate the truth because he is afraid of offending sluts?
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) April 10, 2015
@ntfem fair point
— Yvonne Roberts (@YvonneARoberts) April 12, 2015
@YvonneARoberts I am very grateful to you for saying that. Yours is the first sensible response I have received so far!
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) April 12, 2015
@ntfem common sense says should look at all the causes?
— Yvonne Roberts (@YvonneARoberts) April 12, 2015
@YvonneARoberts Common sense is becoming disturbingly rare these days. Seena Fazel blocked me just for pointing out the obvious.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) April 12, 2015
@YvonneARoberts If we inherit our physical characteristics /mental dispositions from our parents then we also inherit the good with the bad.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) April 12, 2015
@YvonneARoberts It has been said that birds of a feather flock together. A sex offender would probably attract a certain kind of woman.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) April 12, 2015
@YvonneARoberts A woman attracted to a sex offender must surely be irresponsible with low intelligence and low standards of sexual morality.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) April 12, 2015
@YvonneARoberts The woman attracted to a sex offender n who goes on to have a child by him is not one you would like your only son to marry.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) April 12, 2015
@YvonneARoberts Sexual depravity + low standards of sexual morality/social responsibility + low IQ = ANOTHER GENERATION OF SEX OFFENDERS
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) April 12, 2015
Marriage is eugenic, bastardy dysgenic
Claire Khaw's Class and Gender Theory of Western Decline
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