CK:
I say this. https://t.co/yP3rI3Xnyq— Claire Khaw (@MinimumSt8) June 16, 2018
"Everybody says their scripture is the final revelation: Jews, Christians, Muslims ...." https://t.co/LCqtSYcGEa— (((Luke Ford))) (@lukeford) June 15, 2018
I discuss this. https://t.co/hYObsNIWw6— Claire Khaw (@MinimumSt8) June 16, 2018
"Can we just forget the stories and just look at the rules instead? When you do you will find something all world religions have in common." https://t.co/LCqtSYcGEa— (((Luke Ford))) (@lukeford) June 15, 2018
"It's easy to handle 4 wives when you can beat them." https://t.co/LCqtSYcGEa— (((Luke Ford))) (@lukeford) June 16, 2018
I answer this question. https://t.co/7FTs1hFV3J— Claire Khaw (@MinimumSt8) June 16, 2018
Discuss: Could your marriage have benefited from a good striking? https://t.co/LCqtSYcGEa— (((Luke Ford))) (@lukeford) June 16, 2018
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1:23:00 Claire destroyed K M G - that pause said it all. It sent him scurrying away like a cockroach caught in the light. Well done Claire.
If we were visited by aliens, it would be just a given they employed the scientific method to learn how they got here.
Every truth claim, regardless of the corruption of human practitioners throughout history, does nothing to destroy the understanding that the scientific method is the only path to 'truth'.
Then, we get an in depth discussion regarding marriage & familial religious matters.
Funny how, for the next 1/2 hour, the stream forgets the main topics:
a) how is 'truth' established per KMG's "The Devil's Delusion" book assignment
b) what has religion got to do with truth claims?
Great stream, weird as it was.
From 1:23
KG:
If you believe in the Nicene creed, you are Christian. If you don't believen in the Nicene creed or any part of it, you are not by an reasonable estimation a Christian. It's that simple.
CK:
It seems to be a bargain that is nothing about doing stuff, like Jews do stuff or don't do stuff, but Christians, all they have to do is say they believe and that's it.
KG:
I don't want to relitigate the history of the Protestant Reformation, as they call it, but there is a long struggle between the doctrine of salvation by faith and salvation by works which I am not going to get into today.
CK;
But it's a great leap of belief now when most people don't even believe in God, that, when you ask people to additionally believe that not only does God exist, He is also Christ, that it all collapses, doesn't it?
[I should have clinched it with:
"If they believe it they are stupid, if they only pretend to, they are corrupt."]
KG:
Well, OK, yeah, what of it? The idea of people living today who live in a situation which is probably unique in human history who have been constantly flattered about how intelligent they are, oh, and the best educated and the generation in history and it's obviously false and has been for several generations, but one of the things that Berlinkski deals with is in this book is of science as a substitution for religion and he argues that it is not possible to substitute science for religion, but that hasn't stopped the scientists from trying. We are born into this world alone and we die alone, and that's a problem that will always exist for as long as humanity exists.
CK:
But science is the study of material objects and religion is about the moral rules we should follow. It is like comparing potatoes with apples - it's not even related.
KG:
But that's the point of Berlinski's book: that this confusion has been made, and scientists now claim that they have found all the answers to the questions, even when you are dealing with something like Einstein and his theory of relativity which is just collapsing all over the place, holes showing up and water pouring out of it, and we're just going to patch all this together. What about the great contradictions? It's not important, not important ... You noticed that too in the book, didn't you, Dennis?
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