Wednesday 1 May 2024

Free will v determinism and comparative religion

2:00  Vincent's therapist utterly rejects determinism

You can be a determinist as an atheist or theist just as you can believe in free will as an atheist or theist. 

4:00  We don't know for certain if God exists or whether our actions are predetermined by God or something else or whether we have moral agency.

We  are in theory capable of doing something capable of changing our lives for good or ill eg committing a terrible crime or refraining from it.  

5:00  While the desire for revenge is natural in one who feels wronged, he may or may not carry out his revenge, depending on his religion and whether he follows its principles.  

6:00  Whether or not you believe in free will or determinism, no one is suggesting that there should be no laws or moral systems to base those laws on.  

7:00  We can choose to forgive our enemy.  

Free will is used to encourage us to do something, determinism is used to comfort us when we fail after having tried hard.

9:00  Vincent says he is a determinist for putting so much energy into campaigning against the Noahide laws. 

10:00  Free will is something we all have but not all of us will use it. Most people will be part of the herd and do what the herd does. 

A way of showing moral agency is to change your religion through reasoning alone, and not because we have been bribed or threatened. 

Cattle can be controlled by stick and carrot while principled individuals will do or not do something  out of moral and religious principle. 

11:00  Lunatics who commit homicide can be treated as not criminally responsible, but what should happen too them is surely execution, even if they are criminally insane. 

12:00  Most people are not principled individuals. 

MARTY JUICEMAN the Buddhist joins. 

16:00  We are Doomed by John Derbyshire

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_Are_Doomed

18:00  What is the evidence that free will does not exist?

22:00  15 years a Buddhist and before that an atheist Jew

23:00  Weekend yeshiva

24:00  Trauma and health issues

25:00  Vagueness

28:00  Nothing about Buddhism negates personal responsibility. 

29:00  Why should we care about the dumb opinions of people who say they don't know? Why should we even let them speak to us again? 

31:00  "You have no choice but to have free will."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Freedom_of_the_Will

32:00  Ethics

37:00  Buddhism

38:00  Noahide laws

40:00  Idolatry

Secular Koranism

41:00  Buddhism has no clear rules.

43:00  Why should we obey God's laws?

46:00  The legal system

49:00  Comparative religion

51:00  Communism

55:00  "I'm all for trying everything that is cool."

58:00  Christianity was an ecclesiocracy when it was operating at its height because kings would obey the Pope.

Buddhism is close to liberalism.

59:00  Not everyone agrees with liberalism, and not everyone has to agree with sharia for it to be implemented effectively. 

1:01:00  We need God to control people. 

1:03:00  Marty Juiceman has noticed degeneracy. 

1:04:00  Noahide laws

1:05:00  Buddhism

1:07:00  Noahide laws

1:10:00  Buddhism is just a personal ethical code. 

1:13:00  Fighting over the meaning of words gives you an advanced legal system.

1:14:00  This legal system created by the Abrahamic religions advanced Western civilisation even though they kept breaking the rules. The solution to not following the rules properly is to follow the rules properly. 

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