11:46 AM
@stefaniecristos8514
#3
Hey, just fyi, EJ seems to be in the chat, but I can’t see his messages. Even though I selected “all messages”
11:46 AM
@stefaniecristos8514
#3
Weird
11:47 AM
@AmIDriving
Try clicking his name
11:47 AM
@AmIDriving
Or picture
11:47 AM
@SeekingGenuine
#2
Stef, This happens on all of the streams I’ve ever watched of Claire’s, messages I cannot see. But I’ve never clocked anyone
11:52 AM
@YoavBressler
Was he wrong to say it was the US?
11:52 AM
@OOOTLAM
@FungsiYukHunPo Christians are confused creatures who are not sure if they have convictions or whether it is a good thing to have them.
11:53 AM
@OOOTLAM
@YoavBressler Orthoboneheads are basically White Nationalists in disguise, so it comes under the category of Christian Nationalism which is of interest to TLC.
11:54 AM
@OOOTLAM
Americans do not to this day understand that the Founding Fathers were proto-Muslim Noahides and those of them who wish to remain Christian would want to deny this.
11:55 AM
@OOOTLAM
@FungsiYukHunPo No one can deny that TLC is an important demographic since it is a representation of Post-Christian and Post-Liberal America.
11:56 AM
@YoavBressler
The TLC is an important demography in that they are wiser than average.
11:57 AM
@OOOTLAM
The chat today is not even responding to each other and seems to be having another conversations with other people not here in the chat.
11:57 AM
@βρεττς
I might create a copy and paste response for you, Claire.
11:57 AM
@YoavBressler
the chat is let loose among the rats
11:57 AM
@OOOTLAM
@YoavBressler TLC are people who wish to remain in denial about their moral imperative.
12:01 PM
@OOOTLAM
@YoavBressler They wish to remain in denial about their moral imperative because they think they are above the common herd. Whatever problems others have, it is not *their* problem.
12:02 PM
@OOOTLAM
Mysticism is mumbo jumbo to make it easier to trick people who want to identify as Christian to support neocon wars.
12:03 PM
@βρεττς
Everybody needs trophies 🐝
12:03 PM
@OOOTLAM
Jews are not supposed to even learn about Kabbalah until they are over 40.
12:03 PM
@SeekingGenuine
#2
lol Brett
12:03 PM
@OOOTLAM
The tenets Orthodox Christianity will be claimed by the CIA.
12:04 PM
@βρεττς
Disjointed from this embodiment
12:05 PM
@OOOTLAM
@βρεττς What is disjointed from what emobodiment?
12:05 PM
@βρεττς
EO definitely more mystical
12:05 PM
@OOOTLAM
@FungsiYukHunPo What has PVK been saying about Trenham?
12:06 PM
@Jzepp
#3
He talked about how both Protestant, Orthodox and Catholics have mystics that rise up in them.
12:06 PM
@OOOTLAM
@βρεττς You should listen to my stream about The Idiot by Dostoevsky on the conflict between Catholicism and Orthodox Christianity in the 19th century.
12:06 PM
@βρεττς
Yeah the levels of them with grounding
12:06 PM
@stefaniecristos8514
Chad, you were right! And it only took me this long to figure out how to unblock him. 🙄
12:07 PM
@OOOTLAM
@FungsiYukHunPo PVK makes the delicious point that Protestant churches are basically social clubs with business models.
12:07 PM
@βρεττς
Narrow is the path. Who knows
12:07 PM
@βρεττς
I’ll check it out, Claire
12:08 PM
@OOOTLAM
There is actually money in SK, but PVK is not ready to be seen to be taking me seriously yet.
12:08 PM
@SeekingGenuine
#2
Oh we CAN, whether we should 🤷🏼♀
12:08 PM
@OOOTLAM
@βρεττς Do let me know what you think. It is important for Christians to understand why each denomination has been accused of heresy by the others. The reasons are always political.
12:09 PM
@βρεττς
That’s right we bring what we’ve been formed by into it. Sometimes it’s bad sometimes it’s good. Sometimes it’s a hindrance sometimes it’s to help.
12:09 PM
@AmIDriving
Lots of punching down from high places today in the chat
12:10 PM
@teestrypzSOG
Bob and weave
12:10 PM
@OOOTLAM
@βρεττς Idolatry is the fallacy and error of worshiping something even less powerful more vulnerable than yourself. This is of course disastrous to you as an individual and a group.
12:11 PM
@βρεττς
Soooo smart, you are. So dumb we are
12:11 PM
@AmIDriving
Only a few coming from a place of superiority
12:11 PM
@OOOTLAM
PVK is concerned about his income post-retirement.
12:11 PM
@βρεττς
No he isn’t
12:12 PM
@AmIDriving
They have been put on the back burner. I have been focused on the family the last few weeks and will likely continue for the next few
12:12 PM
@βρεττς
Matt C explained it the best one is gonna talk about the fullness of church when it comes to salvation. The other talks about the minimum needed for salvation.
12:12 PM
@OOOTLAM
@βρεττς Not really. I just think I have more a of a moral compass than you lot because I understand the Classical Theory of the Abrahamic God without the confusion of the Trinity.
12:13 PM
@βρεττς
You only think you understand. I guess read more.
12:14 PM
@Jzepp
#3
Some of you guys seem to have a special ability to see inside PVKs head,make sure you use this super power for good.
12:14 PM
@OOOTLAM
@FungsiYukHunPo The contradictions of Christianity cannot be reconciled.
12:14 PM
@SeekingGenuine
#2
Claire, how does one build and calibrate a moral compass?
12:14 PM
@OOOTLAM
@βρεττς I have made more of a study of these matters than you, to be fair!
12:14 PM
@βρεττς
There you go I guess your work here is done
12:15 PM
@βρεττς
I don’t think that’s fair at all.
12:15 PM
@Jzepp
#3
That’s cool Scott. Growing a family is better, and harder! Hah!
12:15 PM
@OOOTLAM
@SeekingGenuine I am saying morality is based on truth and logic. Therefore use truth and logic to choose your moral system ie the one that most conforms to truth and logic.
12:15 PM
@AmIDriving
Yeah we know, you think you’re better. It oozes from your comments. The thing is that doesn’t convince anyone of your points unless you use a club, or a sword or the government.
12:16 PM
@Jzepp
#3
@OOOTLAM You literally just made a circular argument.
12:17 PM
@SeekingGenuine
#2
Claire, I understand that’s what you’re saying, I guess I’m just curious how that creates a proper moral compass (in your opinion)
12:17 PM
@OOOTLAM
@AmIDriving I am asking Americans who complain about their government to demand something better for themselves. What is so crazy about that?
12:17 PM
@OOOTLAM
@Jzepp Please explain.
12:17 PM
@Jzepp
#3
I can’t recall PVK saying he knows what people are thinking. Maybe he has…
12:18 PM
@AmIDriving
Most of our conversations are not focused on government. You bring that in and then accuse us of complaining.
12:18 PM
@teestrypzSOG
#3
Brett was firmly team Gavin
12:18 PM
@teestrypzSOG
#3
Orthobros were team Jonathan
12:18 PM
@stefaniecristos8514
Claire, Christ asked us to love God and love each other as he loved us. That is the highest command. Any moral system must align to that.
12:18 PM
@OOOTLAM
@SeekingGenuine A moral compass would be based on God's laws. So I talk to people who are members of the most powerful religious group in the world.
12:18 PM
@βρεττς
I just think he’s the wrong guy to throw punches at. He’s the most generous with the opposite opinion that I know. Genuinely cares about the relationships.
12:19 PM
@Jzepp
@OOOTLAM You said morality is truth and logic, use truth and logic to make morality.
12:19 PM
@βρεττς
Jzepp got it
12:19 PM
@OOOTLAM
@AmIDriving You refuse to act against your government because you fear being cancelled. That is not a sufficient excuse for inaction.
12:20 PM
@stefaniecristos8514
How would you like Scott to act against his government, Claire?
12:20 PM
@AmIDriving
No I don’t act because I’m not called to act.
12:20 PM
@stefaniecristos8514
You are starting to blow your cover, lady.
12:21 PM
@teestrypzSOG
#3
Tunji trained me well cuz incompletely agree with him
12:21 PM
@βρεττς
Chaos agent all the way
12:21 PM
@OOOTLAM
@stefaniecristos8514 It is exasperating that Christians always harp on about love while ignoring the fact that Jacob's ladder is the law that will get them to God/heaven.
12:21 PM
@AmIDriving
Give until Caesar what is Caesar’s, I have been bought by a greater authority for a much higher price.
12:21 PM
@AmIDriving
And so have you Claire
12:22 PM
@βρεττς
It is hysterical to me that you see Jacob’s ladder that way
12:22 PM
@OOOTLAM
@Jzepp Honest and reasonable people would see the point of morality, wouldn't they? Or have they all become extinct in the West?
12:22 PM
@SeekingGenuine
#2
I think more than anything, when creating of moral compass it requires self reflection and a cultivation of empathy for any of the knowledge or logic or facts to actually mean anything
12:23 PM
@SeekingGenuine
#2
But that’s just my perspective
12:23 PM
@teestrypzSOG
#3
Rob, don’t twist Tunji’s words to say what you want. Say it in your own words n stand on it
12:23 PM
@βρεττς
Revelation 16 Chad, they will shake their fist that God to the end
12:23 PM
@stefaniecristos8514
The spirit of division is strong in these YouTube parts….
12:23 PM
@teestrypzSOG
#3
imagine tryna get Claire to self reflect 😂😂
12:24 PM
@stefaniecristos8514
Give me a 🛠. Pretty please. ☺
12:24 PM
@OOOTLAM
@stefaniecristos8514 All of you could as hosts offering hospitality begin a National Conversation about whether America needs an OFFICIAL MORAL SYSTEM. I am not asking you to run for President.
12:24 PM
@SeekingGenuine
#2
Stef is power hungry!! Haha jk
12:24 PM
@βρεττς
Claire and Rob put up paragraphs that junk up the chat. And make useless points that distract.
12:24 PM
@Jzepp
@OOOTLAM If you and I disagree with a morality. Which one of us is right? How do we decide? To what to we defer? Law? Government?
12:24 PM
@stefaniecristos8514
Tunji, I asked and Chris very sweetly told me I could start my own channel. Which he is correct about.
12:25 PM
@βρεττς
So you’re a witch
12:25 PM
@OOOTLAM
@βρεττς That is obviously what Jacob's ladder is. Jews and gentiles wrestle with the interpretation of God's laws.
12:26 PM
@OOOTLAM
Why does Tunji care about the chat so much? Chris is not even reading it.
12:26 PM
@βρεττς
I don’t know I think he saw Angels going up and down the ladder. I didn’t see anywhere where we were climbing the ladder to figure out how to get to him. More about how he gets to us.
12:26 PM
@βρεττς
He can’t read it because you bang on all the time
12:27 PM
@OOOTLAM
@SeekingGenuine I just have to be consistent in my message. I can't be winsome and tell the truth at the same time.
12:27 PM
@βρεττς
Or not speak at all once it’s not reciprocated
12:28 PM
@OOOTLAM
@Jzepp We refer to God's laws and see which of us is most in conformity, obviously!
12:28 PM
@SeekingGenuine
#2
@OOOTLAM I respect that, consistency in and of itself seems like a proper value.
12:28 PM
@OOOTLAM
@stefaniecristos8514 Would I be allowed on as a guest?
12:28 PM
@stefaniecristos8514
that would be up to Chris
12:29 PM
@stefaniecristos8514
And the answer would most likely be yes.
12:30 PM
@FungsiYukHunPo
sorry Brett and Tunji, Chris has a spine 😉
12:30 PM
@Jzepp
@OOOTLAM Seems simple. But isn’t. Few thousand years of proof.
12:30 PM
@Smithistory
natural consequences for the annoying people
12:31 PM
@ChadMatthewAlbin
The morning crew was born out of Howard’s stroke
12:31 PM
@ChadMatthewAlbin
So that’s interesting
12:31 PM
@AmIDriving
Faith lived out through Chris
12:31 PM
@βρεττς
Chris just says more patience than me. He is better at that for sure.
12:31 PM
@OOOTLAM
@Jzepp Don't Christians agree that God forbade idolatry and blasphemy in His Commandments?
12:32 PM
@stefaniecristos8514
Yep, Chris is demonstrating the Christian stance.
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26:00 Mysticism should be discouraged and obedience to God's law encouraged.
48:00 Tunji demands to know why I am not banned
51:00 PVK's winsomeness is a tactic and life strategy
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