Tuesday, 21 July 2026

Why is it so hard for Americans to understand that the Founding Fathers were the first Europeans to move away from Christianity?


11:52 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
​​There only one Abrahamic God who forbade idolatry. Anthropomorphism is idolatry. Brett is going to make Megan ban me from commenting.

11:52 AM
@Jzepp
​#2
​Have you ever been on a jury Chris?

11:52 AM
@SeekingGenuine
#1
​Claire, I do not plan to ban you

11:53 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
​​Megan pretended to ask me questions and then deleted my answers.

11:53 AM
@SeekingGenuine
#1
​I’m sorry you feel I pretended

11:53 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
​​That’s good to know, Megan.

11:53 AM
@βρεττς
​​I can’t make anybody do anything. As you can see, she’s her own woman. And I was the one that muted you, and it automatically deletes your questions.

11:54 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
​​Megan told me yesterday that my answers were deleted .

11:57 AM
@SeekingGenuine
#1
​We may not agree on everything but can we agree that Chris is so wholesome in a ball cap?

11:57 AM
@OOOTLAM
​​If we have moral convictions, we should defend them. Brett has no moral convictions he cares to defend.

11:57 AM
@βρεττς
​​I wonder if Seth Rogen just sees the Muppets nowadays is nostalgic for all the people and that’s the audience he targeting. Do modern kids watch the Muppets?

11:58 AM
@OOOTLAM
​​It is the people who have no moral convictions who are atheists and nihilists.

11:58 AM
@Jzepp
#2
​All communication carries a message, that’s kind of the point.

11:58 AM
@βρεττς
​​I have enough moral conviction to ban you from my channel. lol.

11:59 AM
@OOOTLAM
​​What moral convictions have you, Brett, other than being Chief Censor?

11:59 AM
@OOOTLAM
​​Megan should beware of Brett who has nothing to offer.

11:59 AM
@βρεττς
​​Romans 16 17-18 I already told you. But you don’t listen ever you pretend to.

12:00 PM
@OOOTLAM
​​We should be grateful that people care enough about us to disagree with us.

12:00 PM
@βρεττς
​​I don’t ban people for simple disagreement, but if you would continue to not listen to me and be in relationship with me and do what Claire does then probably. But I don’t believe that to be your❤

12:01 PM
@OOOTLAM
​​I seem to remember Hitler saying that the worst time in his political career was when no one cared enough to disrupt his meetings.

12:02 PM
@OOOTLAM
​​I am not even telling people not to believe in God and am still waiting for people to ask me what is the harm of idolatry if God does not exist to punish it. Are atheists afraid of outing themselves?

12:03 PM
@OOOTLAM
​​@KenDolli Why should anyone take the Archbishop of Canterbury past or present seriously? The English joke that they can't even get one that believes in God now.

12:04 PM
@OOOTLAM
​​So, Brett, apart from being convinced that you are the one to monopolise the conversation and censor everyone, what moral convictions have you? Do you even understand the question?

12:06 PM
@OOOTLAM
​​Brett, you should know that the Koran also warns Muslims against sectarianism. God > Paul

12:06 PM
@OOOTLAM
​​@KenDolli What does it say? I seem to remember looking it up but forgot about it almost immediately.

12:08 PM
@OOOTLAM
​​"Truth" can be the opinion of the powerful eg the monarch and the supporting act of the priesthood.

12:09 PM
@OOOTLAM
​​@KenDolli And so it has, but Christianity is now a spent force. That 's all I am saying. I never said Christianity never did Christians any good and even said its chief benefit was monogamy.

12:12 PM
@OOOTLAM
​​@KenDolli Read the post on Muslim Skeptic's channel on Christianity. I think it was historically accurate.

12:12 PM
@OOOTLAM
​​If you can't attract attention in a good way, attract it in a bad way?

12:13 PM
@SeekingGenuine
#1
​Bad publicity is still publicity

12:13 PM
@OOOTLAM
​​I do hope @chrishoward8473 will acknowledge that I am not a nihilist.

12:14 PM
@Jzepp
#2
​Claire and Ken, you should do your own channel.

12:14 PM
@OOOTLAM
​​Brett, can you do a stream about your moral convictions and why you think they do not need to be defended?

12:14 PM
@OOOTLAM
​​@Jzepp He won't come out of the lurk. I have invited him more than once.

12:15 PM
@Eolson-helper
​​@Oootlam I hope Claire will send me a Christmas card this year

12:15 PM
@OOOTLAM
​​@chrishoward8473 A nihilist is someone who is proud that he has no moral principles.

12:16 PM
@βρεττς
​​Attack attack attack

12:16 PM
@Eolson-helper
​​@oootlam a Christmas card is a piece of paper with a picture that says ‘Merry Christmas’

12:16 PM
@OOOTLAM
​​@chrishoward8473 I am saying the Trinity is idolatry and Jefferson rejected the Trinity. Surely this is of interest to Americans??

12:16 PM
@OOOTLAM
​​@chrishoward8473 There is nothing wrong with being useful!!

12:17 PM
@OOOTLAM
​​@chrishoward8473 Even atheists use their secular political ideologies.

12:17 PM
@Eolson-helper
​​@oootlam there is nothing wrong with Christmas cards

12:17 PM
@Jzepp
#2
​I’m here because I like Chris’ ramblings.😬

12:18 PM
@OOOTLAM
​​@chrishoward8473 The Unitarian Church is uniquely American, is it not? But then so is Mormonism.

12:18 PM
@Eolson-helper
​​@oootlam even SK will send Christmas cards sometimes.

12:18 PM
@Jzepp
#2
​Are you going through menopause Chris?

12:19 PM
@OOOTLAM
​​@chrishoward8473 I am actually making a case for a living God who takes an interest in humanity and has sent us messages and made us laws.

12:19 PM
@Eolson-helper
​​@oootlam the Christmas card industry is even alive and active in England, is it not? But then again so it big paper industry.

12:19 PM
@OOOTLAM
​​@chrishoward8473 I am saying also that a proposition nation is really a theocracy, ha!

12:19 PM
@Jzepp
#2
​The US needs one more religion though. Secular Koranism. Right?

12:20 PM
@OOOTLAM
​​The US Declaration of Independence contains a list of propositions.

12:20 PM
@OOOTLAM
​​God is useful!

12:20 PM
@Eolson-helper
​​@oootlam WHY WONT YOU SIMPLY ANSWER MY QUESTIONS!

12:20 PM
@OOOTLAM
​​Voltaire said "If God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent Him"!

12:21 PM
@OOOTLAM
​​@Eolson-helper I'll send you an email Xmas greeting, OK?

12:21 PM
@OOOTLAM
​​But the point is God NECESSARY for morality!

12:21 PM
@Eolson-helper
​​@oootlam I’m saying that Christmas cards support the south Mediterranean paper cabal.

12:21 PM
@OOOTLAM
​​Useful = necessary

12:22 PM
@SeekingGenuine
#1
​Useful is relative to a goal. What if the goal is evil?

12:22 PM
@OOOTLAM
​​Fewer and fewer people send Xmas cards because postage stamps cost the earth now.

12:23 PM
@SeekingGenuine
​#1
​We have to say “happy holidays” in workplaces, because “merry Christmas” is not PC

12:23 PM
@Eolson-helper
​​@oootlam are you saying I’m not worth the price of a postage stamp?

12:24 PM
@MarkS.-ry7bm
​​the Claire Howard show

12:24 PM
@Jzepp
#2
​Pragmatism is not new. It did not deliver the Utopia.

12:25 PM
@AT_Shipley
​​Is anyone else experiencing DejaVu?

12:26 PM
@MarkS.-ry7bm
​​Fax and lojik

12:26 PM
@Jzepp
#2
​Facts and Logic, blah blah. 💤💤💤

12:26 PM
@Tunji-504
​​bye Frens

12:26 PM
@MarkS.-ry7bm
​​MORE LIBERTY

12:28 PM
@βρεττς
​​Still waiting for the question lol

12:29 PM
@βρεττς
​​I thought that this was what your channel was for Claire, so you could monologue

12:31 PM
@MarkS.-ry7bm
​​Claire have you ever been to America

12:32 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
​​A few times.

12:32 PM
@anselman3156
​​Romans 2

12:33 PM
@anselman3156
​​God makes people with an inbuilt sense and speaks to conscience about what is good

12:34 PM
@βρεττς
​​Romans 1:20

12:35 PM
@MarkS.-ry7bm
​​lol

12:36 PM
@anselman3156
​​Claire's project is attack the Christians with false accusations of idolatry. Claire is a combo of militant islam and chabadism

12:37 PM
@βρεττς
​​ἀναπολόγητος Without excuse

12:38 PM
@Skankenstein
​​this is what y'all get up to in the wee hours of the morning?!?!

12:41 PM
@βρεττς
​​Both you and Sam play Candace. You come up with conspiracies and have your thoughts and push them on history.

12:41 PM
@anselman3156
​​Islam, like modern Judism, is a reaction against Christianity, borrowing elements of true religion and twisting them to another system/cult

12:43 PM
@anselman3156
​​Chabad cult wants o persecute Christians for "idolatry"

12:44 PM
@anselman3156
​​Claire's antichristianism demands "Noahide" laws to persecute Christians

12:45 PM
@βρεττς
​​Wrong

12:45 PM
@MarkS.-ry7bm
​​the Episcopalians are at the top lol

12:46 PM
@anselman3156
​​Claire's Law: Behead the Jesus worshippers

12:47 PM
@MarkS.-ry7bm
​​Claire in America we grill ribs and waterski all together equally

12:49 PM
@anselman3156
​​Jesus arranges for his church to thrive under various political systems, whether hostile or favourable. King Jesus reigns

12:50 PM
@MarkS.-ry7bm
​​link?

12:51 PM
@YawnGod
​​Given that there are Christian denominations...the Kingdom of Heaven is more like the Empire of Heaven and Jesus is Emperor with his vassal denominations.

12:51 PM
@anselman3156
​​Claire's inveterate hatred of the truth of God the Father, Son and Holy Ghost is a diabolical obsession.

12:51 PM
@YoavBressler
​​Let my Howard go!

12:52 PM
@anselman3156
​​Peace Chad

12:52 PM
@YawnGod
​​Jews at Israeli universities tend to think more worldly regarding authorships 📜🤔

12:53 PM
@YoavBressler
​​@YawnGod refering to what?

12:53 PM
@YawnGod
​​All Gods fall to the gap. 🕳

12:53 PM
@Skankenstein
​​typically the caae with christians at university too

12:53 PM
@YawnGod
​​@YoavBressler They are regular anthropologists who are atheist.

12:54 PM
@YoavBressler
​​Were they not , they would be in a Yeshiva

12:54 PM
@anselman3156
​​"revelation" can dress up "my desires and imaginative systems"

12:54 PM
@YawnGod
​​@YoavBressler Yes. Excellently considered 💯

12:56 PM
@YawnGod
​​Dot AKA Mary had the best assessment of Ms. Khaw:

12:56 PM
@YawnGod
​​Why do you want these white guys to fight your fight for you?

12:57 PM
@YoavBressler
​​The anti-Dot to SK, she is

12:59 PM
@Skankenstein
​​God is a judge? how western od you

1:01 PM
@YoavBressler
​​only recently has Claire change here profile icon to a gibbon

1:01 PM
@YawnGod
​​Ape no kill Ape. Together, Ape strong

1:01 PM
@KenDolli
​​you called Africans primitive earlier in the convo

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51:00  CLAIRE KHAW joins to say being useful is a good thing.

Preference is lower than necessity. To be absolutely necessary is more urgent than being merely necessary.  

53:00  Even Atheists acknowledge the necessity of law. 

Is liberalism necessarily the best ideology around?

54:00  Too much liberty leads to the law of the jungle. 

55:00  King John had the support of the Pope in repudiating Magna Carta.

56:00  The Founding Fathers wanted to keep the monarchy at bay. So having sent George III packing after the American Revolution, it was necessary to separate Christianity from their republic. 

57:00  Men were created equal with certain unalienable rights and amongst them are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. 

58:00  God is the supreme authority and sets a universal standard for morality through His laws which those who claim to believe in Him must obey.

59:00  God's Commandments.

1:00:00  Mortal and fallible people could certainly agree to obey the Noahide laws.

1:01:00  Does all good come from God? 

AI Overview

OCCASIONALISM
The view that God continually creates the universe anew at every single moment is known as Occasionalism. Several theologians and philosophers across different religious traditions have championed this concept: 

Al-Ghazali (1058–1111): A prominent medieval Islamic theologian who formalized this concept in Sunni Islam. He argued that created objects have no independent power to cause anything (e.g., fire does not burn cotton by itself); rather, God creates each and every event directly at that exact moment. 

Nicolas Malebranche (1638–1715): A French Catholic philosopher and theologian who took Cartesian philosophy and merged it with Christian theology to argue that God is the only true cause. He maintained that the physical world acts merely as the "occasion" for God to perform a new act of creation. 

Jonathan Edwards (1703–1758): A prominent American Reformed theologian who taught the doctrine of "continuous creation." He argued that God's upholding of the world is a series of repeated, moment-by-moment new creations out of nothing, entirely independent of the universe's past existence. 
1:02:00  Choosing the best religion available

1:04:00  Creating a new and better legal, moral and political system

1:05:00  Which Christian denomination is best?

1:06:00  Fear of being ostracised makes us stay within our group,

1:07:00  The utility of religion

1:08:00  China has modified Marxism to Socialism with Chinese Characteristics.

1:10:00  The Noahide laws

1:11:00  Is it Christianity that runs America?

1:12:00  Syncretism

1:13:00  Episcopalians failed in America. 

1:14:00  A constitutional republic is most likely to protect the rights of the people. 

First Amongst Equals

1:15:00  God does not support absolute monarchy.

1:16:00  God values obedience. 

1:17:00   The Trinity

1:18:00  Bahai

1:19:00  Divine revelation is what Jews and Muslims enjoy. 

1:20:00  Book of Mormon

The competition of the deities has led to the  Abrahamic God. 

1:22:00  Communism is always attractive when people are feeling poor. 

1:23:00  Whig history

1:24:00  Seneca

1:25:00  How will Mormons be judged by God?

Universalism

1:26:00  Mogadishu

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