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Wednesday, 23 May 2012

My theological discussion with a gay clergymen who admits he has no firm views about morality except the rightness of gay marriage


Claire Khaw ‏@1party4all
@RevRichardColes @lindasgrant Are you you really not aware that the Bible says #sodomy is a #sin?
8:52 AM - 23 May 12

Richard Coles ‏@RevRichardColes
@1party4all @lindasgrant The sin of Sodom was not gay marriage. It was betrayal of the obligation of hospitality.
8:54 AM - 23 May 12

Claire Khaw ‏@1party4all
@Mad_Pieman @RevRichardColes @lindasgrant Oh, I see. The New Testament supersedes the Old Testament? Why include it in the Bible then?
8:59 AM - 23 May 12

Claire Khaw ‏@1party4all
@RevRichardColes @lindasgrant Are you really saying that God really thinks being inhospitable is a greater sin that being a #sodomite?
9:08 AM - 23 May 12

Richard Coles ‏@RevRichardColes
@1party4all @Mad_Pieman @lindasgrant It is the fulfilment of the Law. Not the repudiation of the Law.
9:17 AM - 23 May 12

Richard Coles ‏@RevRichardColes
@1party4all @lindasgrant A sodomite is someone who offends agains the law of hospitality.
9:18 AM - 23 May 12

Richard Coles ‏@RevRichardColes
@1party4all @Mad_Pieman @lindasgrant I recommend a close study of the teachings of Jesus Christ to help you with this.
9:21 AM - 23 May 12

Claire Khaw ‏@1party4all
@RevRichardColes @Mad_Pieman @lindasgrant Link please about Sodomites being not very good hosts who deserve to die more than #sodomites?
9:22 AM - 23 May 12

Richard Coles ‏@RevRichardColes
@1party4all @lindasgrant Not so much quaint, more a scholarly understanding of sodomite.
9:22 AM - 23 May 12

Claire Khaw ‏@1party4all
@RevRichardColes @lindasgrant Link and evidence for your understanding of #sodomite that no one else has heard of.
 9:23 AM - 23 May 12

Richard Coles ‏@RevRichardColes
@lindasgrant @1party4all @Mad_Pieman Jesus says nothing about homosexuality, and a great deal about love.
9:23 AM - 23 May 12

Claire Khaw ‏@1party4all
@RevRichardColes @lindasgrant @Mad_Pieman Everything in Old Testament superseded by New Testament? Not much morality in New Testament, mate
9:24 AM - 23 May 12 v

Claire Khaw ‏@1party4all
@RevRichardColes @lindasgrant @Mad_Pieman The fact that New Testament says nothing about #morality must suit you down to the ground.
9:25 AM - 23 May 12

Richard Coles ‏@RevRichardColes
@1party4all @lindasgrant here's a place to start: http://www.home.roadrunner.com/~nickgier/sodom.htm
9:32 AM - 23 May 12   [If Nick Gier is gay, then he would say that wouldn't he???]

Paul Frame ‏@PaulFrame85
@1party4all @RevRichardColes @lindasgrant @Mad_Pieman You are a pharisee and I claim my Five pounds.
9:35 AM - 23 May 12

Very interesting, I have been called a Pharisee.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharisees

I am linked with Josephus, a Pharisee I much admire for his definition of a theocracy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theocracy

Josephus understood theocracy as a fourth form of government in which only God and his law is sovereign

I was delighted to discover that Pharisees were "distinguished from other groups prior to the destruction of the Temple was their belief that all Jews had to observe the purity laws (which applied to the Temple service) outside the Temple."

This means I am instinctively a Good Jew, which rather bolsters my claim to be the Messiah of the Jews though I am a female and gentile.  I do have a birthday in the right month to be their Messiah too.


There is a Pharisee in all of us.

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