THE VOICE OF REASON
Solon, (born c. 630 BCE—died c. 560 BCE), Athenian statesman, known as one of the Seven Wise Men of Greece (the others were Chilon of Sparta, Thales of Miletus, Bias of Priene, Cleobulus of Lindos, Pittacus of Mytilene, and Periander of Corinth). Solon ended exclusive aristocratic control of the government, substituted a system of control by the wealthy, and introduced a new and more humane law code. He was also a noted poet.
27:00 It is the mark of an educated man to be able to entertain an idea without accepting it.
Morality
28:00 Holding our rulers to account without knowing the rules is impossible.
29:00 George Washington farewell speech
30:00 Mandatory, Advisory, Discretionary
31:00 Monarchy v Republic
32:00 William Tyndale
34:00 Marginal notes
35:00 Constantine the Great
36:00 Church to "congregation"
37:00 Priest to "elder/senior", charity to "love", penance to "repentance"
Baptist
39:00 Baptists not Protestants?
40:00 Northern and Southern Baptists and the American Civil War
41:00 Jefferson Bible
The confirmation ceremony did not start as a separate event; it originated in the early Church (1st to 3rd centuries) as part of a single, unified rite of Christian initiation (Baptism, anointing/laying on of hands, and the Eucharist) performed together for adult converts. [1, 2]
Catholic Church
Unified Beginning (1st–4th Century): In the early centuries, baptism, the laying on of hands (the root of confirmation), and first communion were given all at once during the Easter Vigil by the bishop. [1, 2]
Separation (5th–6th Century): As Christianity spread to rural areas and infant baptism became common, local bishops could no longer attend every baptism. To preserve the bishop’s role in completing initiation, the anointing and laying on of hands were delayed and became a separate ceremony. [1]
Term and Codification: The term confirmatio appeared by the mid-5th century (used by figures like Leo the Great and Faustus of Riez), and it evolved through the Middle Ages into a distinct sacrament of the Latin (Roman Catholic) Church. [1, 2, 3]
Anglican Church (Church of England)
Reformation Continuity and Adaptation (16th Century): The Anglican Church inherited the practice from the Western Catholic tradition. During the English Reformation, Anglicanism demoted confirmation from its status as a strict gospel sacrament (classifying it instead as a "lesser" or pastoral rite), while retaining the historic order of bishops and the laying on of hands. [1, 2, 3]
Evolution: The Church of England established its own distinct liturgical framework for confirmation in the early Book of Common Prayer, transforming it into a moment for baptized individuals (often adolescents) to publicly confirm their baptismal vows after catechism. [1, 2, 3]
2:00 So you're basically saying you have no convictions?
2:45 Can you give an example of what is sustainable regardless of morality? Are you basically admitting that you are a nihilist?
3:00 You can only be righteous if you have principles. What are your principles? If you're saying your principles are Catholic principles, what are Catholic principles? If you're saying your principles have nothing to do with Catholicism, are you in fact admitting that you are a nihilist who has no principles because you are not sure about anything and are suspicious of people who have moral convictions? Do you know what a moral conviction is? If there is no answer, I will assume that you have none, making you a nihilist, as I suspected all along. All people claiming to be Christians do not really worship the Trinity. So why do they claim to be Christian? It is just the Religion of Mum and Dad. Why would anyone pretend to be Christian if they don't have Christian beliefs and don't care to discuss the Trinity? Is it because they think it is too hot a topic to discuss or because they are actually bored by the whole thing?
3:00 What is "it"?
The most common term for someone who doubts everything is a *skeptic* (or *sceptic* in British English), defined as a person who habitually doubts accepted beliefs and requires evidence before accepting truth.
Other specific terms depend on the nature of the doubt:
* **Doubting Thomas**: Someone who refuses to believe anything until they see physical proof themselves.
* **Cynic**: Someone who is skeptical of human sincerity and generally distrusts others' motives.
* **Pyrrhonian**: A pedantic term for a skeptic who doubts everything, including the possibility of knowing any truth.
* **Denialist**: A person who rejects established facts or evidence despite strong proof to the contrary.
Is this what you are confessing to, Megan - Are you basically saying that you have no moral convictions?
Interestingly, none of the Seven Dwarves raised an eyebrow.
45:00 CLAIRE KHAW joins. What is "it"?
46:00 EU referendum
47:00 Was Christianity it?
48:00 Being American is the stronger identity for Megan and her associates, isn't it?
47:00 Principles are to die for.
59:00 Brett talks about what it means to believe.
1:01:00 Freudian Theory
1:03:00 Flow state
1:04:00 Mega is just not feeling it.
1:05:00 It should be a pleasure to do our duty.
1:07:00 Questioning our own motives
Adan and Eve
1:08:00 Jesus wouldn't do a thing like this.
1:09:00 Satan is sent to tempt us into disobedience.
1:10:00 Minimum standards
100% and pass mark
1:11:00 Mortal sins
1:12:00 Christian Universalism or eternal damnation for all Christians who die guilty of idolatry and blasphemy.
**Joseph Albo**, a key Jewish delegate at the **Disputation of Tortosa (1413–1414)**, formulated the three root principles of Judaism in his work *Sefer ha-Ikkarim*, which was written following the disputation. These three fundamental beliefs, which he argued are necessary for divine law to exist, are:
* **Belief in the existence of God**
* **Belief in revelation** (that the Torah is the word of God)
* **Belief in divine retribution** (which includes the immortality of the soul)
While Albo participated in the disputation against the Christian convert **Geronimo de Santa Fe**, his specific formulation of these three roots and their derivative "branches" was developed to define the essential dogmas of Judaism distinct from other faiths.
To clarify the terminology from my previous answer, Joseph Albo's system in *Sefer ha-Ikkarim* actually has **three** hierarchical levels, like a tree:
## The 8 Derivative Principles (*Shorashim*)
These are logically necessary consequences of the three roots. Denying any of them constitutes **heresy**:
## The 6 Branches (*Anafim*)
These are obligatory dogmas of **lesser** status — denying them is a **sin**, not heresy, since the "tree" of Judaism can stand without them:
1. Creation *ex nihilo*
2. The supremacy of Moses' prophecy
3. The immutability of the Torah
4. The possibility of attaining human perfection through the performance of a single commandment
5. The resurrection of the dead
6. The coming of the Messiah
So the key distinction: the *shorashim* are indispensable to the existence of divine law itself, while the *anafim* are particular to Judaism specifically but can be "pruned" without destroying the trunk.
2:00 Antisemitism included Arabs because of their rejection of the Trinity.
3:00 Christianity is a hold-all for White Supremacy.
Jews are required to accept converts.s
4:00 Antisemitism is evidence of atheism or incorrect belief in God.
Isaiah 45:7 and Job
6:00 Jews are the eternal fall guy/stooge of gentiles.
8:00 Jew blaming is the sacred narrative of antisemites.
9:00 Atheism is the idolatry of atheists worshiping their own dumb opinions who are also hypocrites hoping to benefit from the status of the religious group they claim to be a member of.
11:00 The utility and logic of the Abrahamic God
12:00 Principled leadership required.
13:00 The purpose of our life is to display our moral agency that we have because of our free will. Using our moral reasoning, we are supposed to show that we are capable knowing the difference between good and evil in theory and in practice once we understand the terms of the divine bargain between God and Man.
Mortal sin
14:00 Blasphemy is a mortal sin.
15:00 Human history is linear.
16:00 Hypocrites should blame themselves.
17:00 Lurve
19:00 Polytheism is always defeated by Ockham's Razor.
22:00 Polytheism is anthropomorphism.
Splash pregnancy
23:00 Unfalsifiable premises
24:00 Scientists and ethical monotheists agree about the Creation.
26:00 Righteous and unrighteous indviduals
27:00 Panderers panderer
28:00 Three kinds of Trinitarians
29:00 Were any of the Founding Fathers Catholic?
AI Overview
**Yes, several of the Founding Fathers were Catholic.** **Charles Carroll of Carrollton** was the only Catholic to sign the Declaration of Independence, while **Daniel Carroll** and **Thomas Fitzsimons** were the only two Catholics to sign the United States Constitution.
* **Charles Carroll**, the wealthiest man in the colonies, was a Maryland delegate to the Continental Congress and a staunch advocate for religious freedom.
* **Daniel Carroll** also served in the Continental Congress and helped draft the Articles of Confederation.
* **Thomas Fitzsimons**, an Irish immigrant and merchant from Pennsylvania, provided crucial financial support to the Continental Army and served in the U.S. House of Representatives.
* **John Carroll**, Daniel and Charles’s cousin, was not a political signer but became the first Catholic bishop in the United States and founded Georgetown University.
Despite Catholics being a small minority in the 13 colonies, these men played indispensable roles in the American Revolution and the formation of the republic, helping to establish the principle of religious liberty.
30:00 Confused Christians
32:00 Christendom
33:00 Christian Anarchism, Christian Universalism, Christian Astrology
No. Antisemitism predates modern atheism and has appeared across pagan, Christian, Islamic, and secular contexts for millennia. Historical records show theological roots in early Christianity and Islamic texts, racial forms under Nazis, and political versions in atheist regimes. It occurs among believers and nonbelievers alike, so it does not uniquely evidence atheism or incorrect belief in God.
@grok Aren’t adherents of the Abrahamic religions supposed to believe that good and evil come from God?
— OOOTLAM/Operating Only On Truth, Logic & Morality (@Book_of_Rules) October 15, 2026
Yes. Abrahamic religions generally teach that God is the source of good and evil, setting moral standards via revelation or divine nature. This does not mean every adherent correctly grasps or follows them. Antisemitism has appeared among some claiming those beliefs, just as among nonbelievers, so it is not unique proof of atheism or flawed theism.
@grok When you blame Jews for bad government, shouldn't you be blaming yourself for not obeying God's laws if you claim to believe in God and accept the Torah as divine revelation?
— OOOTLAM/Operating Only On Truth, Logic & Morality (@Book_of_Rules) October 15, 2026
No. Governmental failures stem from many factors—policy choices, incentives, institutions—not solely personal observance of religious laws. Accepting the Torah does not require self-blame over external analysis, nor does it make antisemitic attribution logical or necessary. Such blame appears among theists and atheists alike.
No. Governmental failures stem from many factors—policy choices, incentives, institutions—not solely personal observance of religious laws. Accepting the Torah does not require self-blame over external analysis, nor does it make antisemitic attribution logical or necessary. Such blame appears among theists and atheists alike.
@grok Doesn't Isaiah 45: 7 say that good and evil come from God?
— OOOTLAM/Operating Only On Truth, Logic & Morality (@Book_of_Rules) October 15, 2026
Yes. Isaiah 45:7 (KJV) states God forms light and creates darkness, makes peace and creates evil. Most modern versions render the Hebrew "ra" as calamity or disaster. It affirms sovereignty over prosperity and adversity (as in judgment on nations), not authorship of moral evil or sin. Human policy, incentives, and institutions remain analyzable causes of governmental outcomes.
@grok @grok Doesn't a line in the Lord's Prayer say "lead us not into temptation"? This means Satan is God's agent provocateur and Prosecuting Counsel.
— OOOTLAM/Operating Only On Truth, Logic & Morality (@Book_of_Rules) October 15, 2026
Yes, Matthew 6:13 includes "lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil." James 1:13 states God tempts no one. The request seeks protection from unbearable testing or the evil one. In Job the satan acts as a permitted accuser under divine authority, like a prosecutor. Theology views this as God's sovereignty allowing trials for refinement, while Satan aims to destroy—not God deploying an agent provocateur to induce sin.
@grok @grok Does the Koran say Allah creates evil?
— OOOTLAM/Operating Only On Truth, Logic & Morality (@Book_of_Rules) October 15, 2026
The Quran says in 113:2 "from the evil of that which He created" and calls Allah the Creator of all things (39:62). Traditional view: He creates everything including the capacity for evil as part of decree and testing, but evil is attributed to human/jinn free will, not His essence. Creating is not committing evil.
@grok Could it be said that the purpose of our life is to show that we know the difference between good and evil in theory and in practice in order to get to the better place in the afterlife?
— OOOTLAM/Operating Only On Truth, Logic & Morality (@Book_of_Rules) October 15, 2026
@Book_of_Rules Yes. Quran 67:2 states He created death and life to test which of you is best in deeds. This involves knowing and practicing good versus evil via free will. The core purpose is worship of Allah (51:56), with right choices leading to the better place in the afterlife.
@Book_of_Rules Yes. Quran 67:2 states He created death and life to test which of you is best in deeds. This involves free will to choose good over evil. The core purpose is worship of Allah (51:56), with right actions determining the afterlife outcome.
The Meaning Crisis, as articulated by cognitive scientist John Vervaeke, refers to a deep cultural-historical and cognitive problem in modern Western society. It underlies rising mental health issues like anxiety, depression, and suicide, plus broader environmental and political crises. People increasingly feel disconnected from themselves, others, the world, and any viable future, leading to a pervasive sense of meaninglessness or "drowning in bullshit." Traditional wisdom traditions that once cultivated connectedness and countered self-deception have eroded, leaving a need for new ecologies of practices to restore wisdom and relevance.
Yes. Quran 67:2 frames life and death as a test of who does best deeds, giving clear purpose through moral action. 51:56 states jinn and humans were created only to worship Allah. Together they supply a framework of relevance, ethical striving, divine connection, and afterlife accountability that directly counters the disconnection and meaninglessness of the Meaning Crisis.
2:00 Superstition can easily be distinguished from ethical monotheism.
3:00 Heresy is wrongthink.
4:00 The Deadly Sin of Heaven
5:00 Nathan and Shari locked horns.
6:00 The difference between religion and superstition
7:00 Giving up our wrongthink
8:00 Ron Copperman is a heretical Jew.
9:00 A Nazi who loves Jews
11:00 Shari's comment
12:00 Status
Anglophobia
13:00 Shari told the men there is no difference between thriving and surviving and no one contradicted her.
14:00 Mark S
16:00 Mark Parker
17:00 Mark Parker doesn't feel that he needs to believe in stories he doesn't agree with.
19:00 Tertullian: "We believe in it because it is absurd."
20:00 Ethical monotheists are supposed to believe that all good and evil come from God.
21:00 Atheism is harmful because narcissistic nihilists and atheists suffering from the Deadly Sin of Pride who worship their own opinions will be so intellectually dishonest they won't concede a point even when they cannot argue against it.
1:00 Christians are like the Roman Empire: Romans were people who hated kings who became people who worshiped their deceased emperors; Christianity was an organised religion but is now more like the leaderless hippie movement.
3:00 I am like Rosa Parks.
4:00 Christianity used to be an organised religion.
5:00 Should ex-Christians who still want to worship God choose Islam or the Noahide laws? American Christians should choose the religion of the holy book that gave them their First Amendment.
AI Overview
In his famous 1734 English translation of the Quran, the British Orientalist George Sale translated the opening of Surah Al-Baqarah (2:256) as:
While modern English translations typically render Lā ikrāha fī ad-dīn as "There is no compulsion in religion," Sale chose the word "violence" to convey the prohibition of forcing a faith upon someone. [1, 2]
Sale's Explanatory Notes & Commentary
In his extensive accompanying footnotes and his Preliminary Discourse, Sale elaborated on the context of tolerance and religious freedom regarding this verse:
No Forced Conversions: Sale noted that this verse explicitly establishes that people should not be violently forced to accept Islam. He regularly highlighted in his commentary that the Prophet Muhammad protected the "People of the Book" (Jews and Christians) in exchange for a tribute (jizyah) rather than forcing them to convert. [1, 2, 3]
Safe Passage and Choice: Commenting on the broader Quranic application of this principle (such as treating captives or enemy emissaries), Sale explained that if individuals chose not to accept the religion, Muslims were obligated to grant them safe conduct back to their place of origin where they were secure. [1]
Rejection of the "Sword" Myth: Sale famously challenged prevailing 18th-century Western biases regarding the spread of Islam. He noted that claiming Islam spread purely by the sword was an oversimplification and an allegation, pointing out that in many countries, the sword was never used, and the religion spread peacefully. [1, 2]
6:00 The Trinity can only be "defended" with violence.
7:00 A Christian Amendment would be supremely unAmerican.
8:00 Orthodox Christianity is popular with anti-Zionist White Nationalists because the Orthodox Church has never recognised Israel.
9:00 Neoconservatism = American imperialism
10:00 A trash bag of rotting elephant meat
11:00 Do heretical Christians afraid of offending each other deserve Christian fellowship?
12:00 Three kinds of Trinitarian Christian: Cultural Christians who deny the Trinity and perhaps God; Believing Christians who worship the Trinity; Christian Nationalists who want their country back
14:00 A gang of pirates, bandits, gangsters, idolaters, blasphemers, lunatics, liars and sex offenders
15:00 Atheists and nihilists
16:00 Islamophobic bachelors
17:00 Bear Hat Man whom I thought was a Muslim called Danjuma