THE VOICE OF REASON
Solon, (born c. 630 BCE—died c. 560 BCE), Athenian statesman, known as one of the Seven Wise Men of Greece (the others were Chilon of Sparta, Thales of Miletus, Bias of Priene, Cleobulus of Lindos, Pittacus of Mytilene, and Periander of Corinth). Solon ended exclusive aristocratic control of the government, substituted a system of control by the wealthy, and introduced a new and more humane law code. He was also a noted poet.
3:00 There is nothing inconsistent about wanting to promote national unity in America using Secular Koranism with American Characteristics. The Founding Fathers would approve of the promotion of national unity.
5:00 Spinoza
6:00 Christianity is bad for Christians because it makes Christians fight each other.
8:00 The Trinity offends against the Third Principle of Judaism forbidding Jews and gentiles from conceiving of God as in any way physical or material. Confusing God and His Creation is idolatry.
9:00 The Koran is the only holy book that supports the First Amendment.
10:00 Jews do not want a Torah theocracy.
11:00 Muslims suffer the consequences of not following their own book of rules.
13:00 Rules are made to be broken and the law should be considered a tariff.
14:00 The punishment should fit the crime.
16:00 The criminal commits a crime expecting to get away with it.
17:00 The system just has to be fair enough to keep itself going.
People are motivated by stick and carrot.
20:00 To believe is to have an opinion.
21:00 Defining truth and faith
23:00 Why people claim to believe
24:00 It is only logical to believe that good will be rewarded and evil punished in this life and the next if God exists to do these things.
25:00 From polytheism to ethical monotheism
27:00 How old is the Torah?
28:00 There is only one Abrahamic God.
31:00 The Trinity
Mary is known by Catholics as Mother of God.
33:00 The Abrahamic God
34:00 Christianity or Islam?
35:00 The Unitarian Church was once powerful in America and there have been four Unitarian Presidents.
Salem Witch Trials
37:00 I do not deny the concept of God.
39:00 Brett talks about Jesus in his life.
55:00 My heart of flesh
56:00 I am reminding people to be mindful of God's laws.
T Jump
58:00 Why Secular Koranism
WW3
59:00 I focus on Americans because I think they of all people should care about the intentions
of the Founding Fathers.
OLSON joins to discuss the Declaration of Independence.
1:06:00 I do not ask people to follow a deity, but to follow the best available guide to humanity ie the Koran.
1:07:00 I said Secular Koranism has to be established at the federal level because if it was only in the State of Mississippi, the National Guard would be sent to arrest the secessionists.
1:08:00 TLC should use TLM.
1:10:00 CIA
1:11:00 George Washington's farewell speech
1:13:00 States' rights v Federal Supremacy
1:14:00 One party state
1:15:00 China's one child policy is now a three child policy.
1:16:00 Secular Koranism with Chinese Characteristics
CCTV in the matrimonial home
1:18:00 Fake Christians voting for fake Christians
1:19:00 Government corruption
Somalia
1:20:00 Trump and Gaza
1:23:00 Hypocrite
1:24:00 I have never said anything antisemitic.
1:26:00 Secular Koranism was created to solve the problems of the West.
1:27:00 White Nationalists prefer Christian Nationalism to Secular Koranism.
6:00 Married parents should be privileged over non-parents.
7:00 Inertia in all political systems
Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
8:00 Any religion fit for purpose must support marriage and patriarchy.
9:00 Matriarchy is a cancer.
10:00 Organised religion and organised violence
12:00 Women just have to make men want to be men and perform their gender roles by being marriageable and only marrying marriageable men.
Christians have neither moral convictions nor codified principles.
13:00 The American Empire confers privilege on Jews to maintain the narrative of Post WW2 Zionism..
14:00 36 capital offences of Judaism
15:00 Women have always been booty.
16:00 Christianity is idolatry.
17:00 The New Testament
The harm of idolatry even if God does not exist to punish it
18:00 Unprincipled Christians believing in lies and nonsense
19:00 Female methods of communication and information analysis
20:00 TLC values
21:00 The Trinity
22:00 Facts and logic have to be ignored if you want to remain Christian.
23:00 Gay marriage
24:00 The Founding Fathers rejected the Trinity.
25:00 Having a vested interest in Christianity
26:00 The Protestant Reformation
27:00 Annulment and divorce
Till divorce do us part.
28:00 Taking the Trinity out of the Book of Common Prayer.
29:00 Marriage is eugenic.
31:00 Jacob Faturechi
32:00 Martyrdom
You cannot wake a man pretending to be asleep.
33:00 Islam would give European more constitutional rights and the rule of law.
34:00 Christianity and monarchy are both anachronisms.
3:00 Antisemites would object to the Noahide laws.
4:00 There are no agreed Christian principles.
5:00 Trinitarians are the most powerful Christians.
6:00 Both Christians and Muslims rely on Judaism as the basis of their religion.
7:00 The New Testament cannot be codified.
8:00 Christians claiming Matthew, Mark, Luke and John are divine would be adding to the Trinity.
9:00 Neither Christianity or Liberalism are codified.
10:00 Religious principles are a collective promise by members of that group to do or not do something.
11:00 Non-denominational Christianity is a fraud on the Christian.
12:00 The US government won't support restoring the patriarchy because it is already a matriarchy with a vested interest in perpetuating itself.
Christians don't want to have principles because they prefer to be able to bullshit each other.
13:00 No Presidential Candidate under the current system of representative democracy would dare to propose treating unmarried parents as sex offenders to restore the patriarchy because the number of voters who are either never married parents or the illegitimate offspring of unmarried parents are too electorally significant to risk alienating.
14:00 Cultural Christians v Believing Christians
15:00 Humpty Dumpty
Christians have an aversion to defining the meaning of words because they don't want to be tied down to any clear definition and want to splash about in their sea of doubt saying maybe and yes and no at the same time just like women. Ambiguity is a feminine stratagem.
16:00 Christian beta males lack principled moral leadership.
17:00 Confusion produces more content for PVK.
18:00 Is TLC a microcosm of what middle class Heritage Americans think?
WW3
19:00 There is no need for TLC to like me to understand what I am saying.
20:00 Americans don't even respect their Founding Fathers.
Reincarnation is Grade Retention and being forced to re-sit exams.
3:00 Good is what God commands and evil what He forbids.
The Noahide laws is the Gold Standard of Universal Morality.
4:00 Divine revelation represented a quantum leap in law and morality.
5:00 Social animals have an alpha male leader.
6:00 The harem of stags and bulls
7:00 Marriage is for the purpose of the good parenting of legitimate offspring.
8:00 Patriarchy is supported the five world religions.
9:00 The Abrahamic God is the Supreme Thought Policeman.
Organised religion is better at organised violence.
10:00 Jews remain the highest status organised religion because Christians - the biggest and most militarily powerful religious group in the world worship a Jew.
11:00 Purgatory is where reincarnation is administered.
12:00 Bodhisattva
13:00 Seven Deadly Sins
14:00 We continue undergoing the process of reincarnation until the End Times. The time for doing your re-sits continues for as long as we have not reached the End Times. How many lifetimes will it take you to learn the difference between good and evil in theory and in practice based on the Noahide laws?
Righteous Jews and gentiles would take the Noahide laws and in particular its prohibitions against idolatry and blasphemy seriously.
15:00 We have to thank Jews for the Noahide laws.
16:00 Why don't Christians care that they are guilty of idolatry and blasphemy?
17:00 Did Edward Gibbon say Christianity caused the decline and fall of the Roman Empire?
Did the Founding Fathers read Gibbon's Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire?
18:00 Did the Founding Fathers acting on the thesis that Christianity caused the decline and fall of the Roman Empire separate the church from their state?
Do neocons think they can get away their warmongering because the helpless infantilised feminised and vulnerable men of TLC led by the unprincipled Paul Vanderklay are incapable of independent thought and forming logical conclusions?
Are American women stuck with these weak and wavering womanish men who are without moral convictions possibly feeling angry, disappointed and disgusted by these weak and womanish men?
Are they basically supporting the suicidal matriarchy who just wants Westerners to get into their suicide pods because their men are so repellent that they would rather die childless, gay and transgender?
19:00 The American Revolution led to the French Revolution and Christendom ended in 1918 when the Russian Revolutionaries exterminated the entire Russian Royal Family.
20:00 Absolute monarchy is tyranny.
21:00 American Republic
22:00 Islamic propositions of the proposition nation
23:00 Jefferson Bible
24:00 The Christian practice of heretic burning
26:00 Humility is a virtue.
Islamic is absolutely logical.
27:00 Shaming non-parents
29:00 Unrepentant sinners
Paul Vanderklay's position on gay marriage
30:00 INTERVAL
37:00 Reading Ken's comments
38:00 Matriarchy
39:00 Abolishing no fault divorce
40:00 Gasbagging gasbaggery
41:00 Female methods of communication and analysis
42:00 Moral convictions based on the Trinity
43:00 Chris Howard on Grm Griz's stream
44:00 Christianity is kaput.
Tom Holland
45:00 Western values
46:00 Declaration of Independence not Christian
47:00 Wars of the Reformation
Choosing a team
49:00 Carol
51:00 Christianity has done more harm than good.
52:00 Reincarnation
53:00 Snakes and Ladders
55:00 Making TLC TLM
56:00 Cruel youth
58:00 Reincarnation
I have to do for Jews and Muslims what they are too afraid to do.
Or am I not allowed to ask people to define terms?
1:16 PM
@OOOTLAM
If no one will define their terms, does that mean no one is saying anything?
1:18 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
I am backstage waiting to ask Ian what he means by "no agenda kind of Christianity"?
1:18 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
What denomination is "no agenda kind of Christianity"?
1:18 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
Any suggestions?
1:19 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
Don't all denominations have an agenda?
1:19 PM
@βρεττς
You’re just backstage so you can record the video of Claire and then go on your channel and play it and complain
1:19 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
Even non-denominational Christians have an agenda.
1:20 PM
@anselman3156
you are not listening closely Claire Pay attention Don't distract
1:20 PM
@daringhobbit
Yes, Claire, I agree. I am guessing he means political.
1:21 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
The difference between religion and politics is a distinction without a difference. .
1:21 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
Which part of the Lateran Treaty negotiated between Mussolini and the Pope is religious and which part is political?
1:21 PM
@βρεττς
She like Kirk. Can’t listen just spout
1:22 PM
@anselman3156
That old Amish term has caught on!
1:22 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
I listened hard enough to Ian to ask my question.
1:22 PM
@βρεττς
Listen and wait to see what he means
1:23 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
So, Christians, which is the best denomination of all?
1:23 PM
@anselman3156
yes Listen to what else he says and that may help towards getting your answer
1:23 PM
@βρεττς
The Jesus is God ones
1:24 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
Ian is talking about something else now and I have heard this before about how Christianity has failed him.
1:24 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
Ian is Trinitarian.
1:25 PM
@βρεττς
All Christian that believe, believe that
1:25 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
Ian is definitely Protestant.
1:25 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses are categories of Christian.
1:26 PM
@βρεττς
There’s really only for that I’m aware of that claim Christian yet aren’t Trinitarian. Mormons, Jehovah witnesses Unitarians in oneness Pentecostal.
1:26 PM
@βρεττς
They can claim Christianity all they want
1:28 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
Are Unitarians Christian, Brett?
1:28 PM
@anselman3156
Yes Detachment is a necessary part of spiritual life
1:28 PM
@βρεττς
No. The New Thought movement also tries to think they’re Christian
1:31 PM
@βρεττς
Claire, did you watch that video I sent you? They went over your Thomas Jefferson thesis. And how inaccurate it was. The first time Thomas Jefferson bought a Quran was after the Muslims were killing .
From 45:35
1:31 PM
@βρεττς
Americans. He wanted to know why they believe what they believe
1:31 PM
@βρεττς
It wasn’t to formulate the declaration of independence
1:32 PM
@anselman3156
Post service conversation is hit or mis. Usually inadequate for real fellowship
1:34 PM
@OOOTLAM
Adam Green was also Church of Christ.
1:34 PM
@OOOTLAM
Jefferson ordered his Koran in 1765 when he was still a 21 year old law student.
1:35 PM
@βρεττς
Yes, Muslims were killing American Christians
1:35 PM
@OOOTLAM
The First Amendment was passed in 1791.
1:36 PM
@βρεττς
#1
In their letters, they discuss that they quoted the Bible more than any other text
1:36 PM
@OOOTLAM
The Virginia Statute of Religious Freedom was drafted in 1777.
1:36 PM
@βρεττς
#1
Apparently, you’re not willing to engage what I’m saying to be facts and use your logic
1:37 PM
@OOOTLAM
Jefferson ordered and read the Koran between 1765 and 1777.
1:37 PM
@βρεττς
#1
Read their letters, Claire
1:37 PM
@OOOTLAM
What have I said that is illogical, Brett? The First Amendment is supported by 2:256 of the Koran.
1:37 PM
@βρεττς
#1
Him and John Madison
1:38 PM
@anselman3156
I need time alone with God to be able to cope with the imperfections on the human side of the church. But the sacraments and corporate worship are vital
1:38 PM
@βρεττς
#1
The Quran supports the amendment not the other way around
1:38 PM
@OOOTLAM
Are you saying Jefferson did not read the Koran until after the Virginia Statute of Religious Freedom and the First Amendment was drafted?
1:38 PM
@βρεττς
#1
No
1:40 PM
@βρεττς
#1
Ecclesiastes 3:13 which states “Every man should eat and drink, and enjoy the good of all his labor, it is the gift of God
1:40 PM
@βρεττς
#1
The document’s framers were deeply influenced by Christian thought: of the 56 signers, 27 held seminary degrees, indicating strong Christian influence
1:42 PM
@βρεττς
#1
the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God was biblical before it had anything spoken in a Quran
1:42 PM
@anselman3156
We should not readily blame the church corporately for individual human faults
1:43 PM
@βρεττς
#1
Man sins. That’s the point Anselman
1:43 PM
@anselman3156
however, I do think bad theology can result in bad behaviour
1:44 PM
@βρεττς
#1
You make promises that a sinner can’t reach you leave them hopeless and deny what Christ did for them in reconciliation
1:44 PM
@anselman3156
The church is a mix of wheat and chaff on the human level, good and bad fish. We have to look beyond to Jesus
1:45 PM
@OOOTLAM
@anselman3156 Theology is basically the premises we rely on to make our arguments eg whether Jesus is God.
1:45 PM
@βρεττς
#1
hermeneutical disagreement
1:46 PM
@anselman3156
A misunderstanding of God's character can result in bad treatment of others
1:47 PM
@βρεττς
#1
A misunderstanding of man’s character can do that also
1:47 PM
@anselman3156
God is Love, and love to all. No one is excluded from God's love
1:48 PM
@anselman3156
God cares for every one
1:48 PM
@βρεττς
#1
Agree, agreed but he doesn’t have one kind of love
1:49 PM
@OOOTLAM
Christian identity is directly linked to the perception that the Trinity is idolatry or indifference to whether it is or not.
1:49 PM
@OOOTLAM
God is absolutely logical.
1:49 PM
@βρεττς
#1
Jacob I have loved Esau. I have hated. In the Greek hated is translated as love differently.
1:49 PM
@anselman3156
The Trinity is Love
1:50 PM
@OOOTLAM
The Meaning Crisis = The Crisis of Matriarchy
1:50 PM
@βρεττς
#1
Claire, you’re as clueless as it comes regarding Christianity
1:50 PM
@OOOTLAM
I am the most knowledgeable theologian in the world.
1:50 PM
@OOOTLAM
@anselman3156 You make me laugh.
1:51 PM
@OOOTLAM
@anselman3156 God has specifically and explicitly forbidden idolatry in His Commandments.
1:51 PM
@βρεττς
#1
And we see Jesus as God, which doesn’t make it idolatry. Get it through your head, Claire.
1:52 PM
@OOOTLAM
Very long Wikipedia entry for Church of Christ which I must read!
1:53 PM
@anselman3156
"sacramental" is a key word. Christ nourishes through the sacrament
1:53 PM
@βρεττς
#1
And Jews and Muslims don’t. And this is a line that we will never back down from. This is why your system will never work.
1:53 PM
@βρεττς
#1
We just disagree on sacraments and it’s claims of what it achieves.
1:53 PM
@OOOTLAM
The First Amendment being supported by 2:256 of the Koran makes the proposition nation's propositions fundamentally Islamic.
1:54 PM
@βρεττς
#1
Bartman is a lunatic
1:54 PM
@anselman3156
#2
Ehrman has been refuted
1:54 PM
@βρεττς
#1
Cart before the horse, Claire
1:54 PM
@anselman3156
#2
Ehrman is an apostate driven by his bias
1:54 PM
@βρεττς
#1
He respected, but he’s been refuted Marc
1:55 PM
@βρεττς
#1
Bart wants what he wants. That’s the bottom line.
1:55 PM
@anselman3156
#2
This is where Mark lives up to his "pseudo catholic" title, emphasis on pseudo. j
1:55 PM
@OOOTLAM
Trinitarianism is totemic of the most powerful denominations of Christianity ie political Christianity that used to support absolute monarchy eg Catholicism, Anglicanism and Orthodox Christianity.
1:58 PM
@OOOTLAM
Orthodox Christianity has attracted a whole bunch of White Nationalists who were persuaded by E Michael Jones telling them that race cannot be their religion.
1:58 PM
@anselman3156
#2
Mark's bad theology. Collectivity as alternative to Christ and sacraments
2:00 PM
@OOOTLAM
The problem with White Nationalists thinking Orthodox Christianity is a camouflage for White Nationalism is that they have made themselves an easier target for the FBI!
2:00 PM
@βρεττς
#1
Get off the Internet, Claire and you might learn something
2:01 PM
@βρεττς
#1
You don’t have to like it, but the Bible says it
2:01 PM
@OOOTLAM
Rabbi Tovia Singer has worked out why Orthodox Christianity is so attractive to White Nationalists - because it has never formally recognised Israel.
2:01 PM
@OOOTLAM
What would you like me to learn, Brett?
2:01 PM
@βρεττς
#1
That that’s not what orthodoxy is
2:02 PM
@MarcInTbilisi
I've already been saved, Christ popped into my head a few years ago so everything is good.
2:02 PM
@anselman3156
#2
The Christian goes to heaven at death to be with Christ. Christ's return is to put a final end to wickedness on earth and to purge and transform the earth with fire, and resurrect us
2:02 PM
@OOOTLAM
@MarcInTbilisi We don't know if we have been saved until we wake up in the afterlife and discover we are in heaven.
2:03 PM
@MarcInTbilisi
Claire, try & understand humour.
2:03 PM
@OOOTLAM
@MarcInTbilisi I will have to keep making my theological points.
2:05 PM
@OOOTLAM
All the Abrahamic religions expect the End Times and therefore the Messiah. It's silly to argue about something that has not even happened. We can argue about whether the Trinity is idolatry though!
2:06 PM
@anselman3156
#2
It is a false messianism that places all its hope in human collective action improving conditions on a dying earth
2:06 PM
@OOOTLAM
If we believe in God who forbade idolatry and blasphemy, we would want to be on His good side to get to the better place in the afterlife and obey His prohibitions.
2:06 PM
@βρεττς
#1
This is why everyone should stay away from Ian McGilchrist. He confuses the issues.
2:07 PM
@βρεττς
#1
He claims pan psychic
2:08 PM
@WhiteStoneName
Opportunity costs...
2:08 PM
@OOOTLAM
Just take idolatry seriously if you believe in the afterlife. If you don't, consider the options of becoming a rabbinically-guided Noahide or Muslim. It's really that simple.
2:09 PM
@OOOTLAM
If you are agnostic or atheist, you might want to consider the spiritual benefits of being a Secular Koranist.
2:09 PM
@OOOTLAM
Any chopping down of cherry trees?
2:10 PM
@βρεττς
#1
That represents nobody here, Claire
2:10 PM
@OOOTLAM
We agree on that fraud McGilchrist - hurray!
2:11 PM
@OOOTLAM
I enjoy superb mental health. Our 20s are made for depression, so I understand, Ian. The pain is actually therapeutic.
2:12 PM
@OOOTLAM
Ian should get himself off the psychotropic drugs. I think they are worse than recreational drugs.
2:13 PM
@OOOTLAM
Feel the psychic pain to the max and then get the F over it.
2:14 PM
@insight.incorporated
He did chop the cherry tree Claire
2:15 PM
@insight.incorporated
Also not on drugs. Nicotine and caffeine excluded
13:00 The problem with the cancel culture of the matriarchy
14:00 Uncle Sam now has the personality of Blanche Dubois.
15:00 Is America one nation trusting in God or a Nation of Narcissists and Nihilists Fighting Each Other?
16:00 It is time to restore the patriarchy after challenging and defeating the matriarchy which has promoted the cult of youth and beauty which have been entrancing sodomites, sluts and slut-fuckers for half a century?
20:00 Are men of TLC capable of asking the logical next question even if Paul Vanderklay won't? Are they capable of asking themselves why PVK refuses to ask the logical next question?
The logical next question after you know that you cannot successfully defend yourself against accusations of idolatry is "What is the harm of idolatry if the Abrahamic God who forbade idolatry and blasphemy does not exist to punish anyone for anything?
Presumably they dare not ask this question for fear of outing themselves as hypocrites, atheists and nihilists who only pretend to worship the Trinity to claim membership of the most powerful religious group in the world.
I have asked and answered this question many times previously saying that idolaters who worship an executed blasphemer pay the opportunity cost of not being rightly-guided by the Koran.
21:00 Christian men have no idea what moral convictions are except Mark S who didn't want to publicise them.
