THE VOICE OF REASON
Solon, (born c. 630 BCE—died c. 560 BCE), Athenian statesman, known as one of the Seven Wise Men of Greece (the others were Chilon of Sparta, Thales of Miletus, Bias of Priene, Cleobulus of Lindos, Pittacus of Mytilene, and Periander of Corinth). Solon ended exclusive aristocratic control of the government, substituted a system of control by the wealthy, and introduced a new and more humane law code. He was also a noted poet.
1:03:00 The Trinity is not mentioned in the New Testament.
1:04:00 Sam Tideman the Unitarian
1:05:00 Filioque
1:06:00 The origins the Trinity
1:07:00 The God of Israel is more powerful than Jesus.
1:08:00 Roman Empire
The Year of the Five Empires
1:09:00 Belief increases the likelihood of obedience.
1:10:00 When Christians became unfashionable and atheists fashionable.
1:11:00 Only in the Old World was Christianity taken seriously.
1:12:00 The French Republic was secular.
1:13:00 Latent Damage
1:14:00 The neurosis of complaining about a problem and then denying it when the solution is presented.
1:16:00 The Abrahamic God and the religion of mum and dad
1:17:00 Abrahamic is considered Muslim by Muslims.
1:19:00 Adam is considered by Adam to be a prophet of God.
1:21:00 Atenism
1:22:00 Abraham and Isaac
1:23:00 Is a son in the Armed Forces a form of son sacrifice? The parent can make it less of a prospective human sacrifice if they took an interest in foreign policy as an imperial nation forever embroiled in endless wars - after all, those who live by the sword die by the sword. Taking an interest in foreign policy as a citizen of an imperial nation includes reading George Washington's farewell speech to check that it indeed contains Koranic echoes as Claire Khaw claims.
George Washington:
"Observe good faith and justice towards all nations; cultivate peace and harmony with all. Religion and morality enjoin this conduct".
Which scripture of which religion even talks about international relations?
1:25:00 What would God if He exists think of Jews, Christian and Muslims?
1:26:00 God must be forming His own conclusions about people claiming to be Jews, Christians and Muslims to whom He sent messages. No blue tick marks for God, not even after 1400 years! Jews, Christians and Muslims haven't even asked each other "Isn't it idolatry to worship a man? Which law for whom was Jesus supposed to have fulfilled? Which scripture can this law be found? Christians say the New Covenant is Jesus, but surely a covenant is a legal agreement? Isn't the Koran the New Covenant predicted in the Book of Jeremiah? Why haven't Muslims pointed this out to Jews? Are they stupid or something?"
1:27:00 If God exists, how would He deal with Hindus and Buddhists? I think He would just hold them to their own standards and let them reincarnate away. Being reincarnated means you stay on earth and don't go to heaven.
Interestingly, Ultra Orthodox Jews also believe in reincarnation.
If this life is an examination hall testing us for our ability to tell the difference between good and evil, then we must have moral agency. We are obviously not exercising our moral reasoning to its fullest extent if we refuse to think out of the box of the Religion of Mum and Dad. What if Mum and Dad are Aztecs?
There is a verse in the Koran warning people against exactly this. What if our parents and ancestors were without guidance and the equivalent of Aztecs and primitive people who practised human sacrifice, or, God forbid, cannibalism?
Throughout the text, the Quran portrays disbelievers clinging to ancestral customs as an excuse to reject the truth. Key verses highlight this dynamic:
Blind Adherence: "When it is said to them, ‘Follow what Allah has revealed,’ they reply, ‘No! We only follow what we found our forefathers practicing.’ Would they still do so, even if their forefathers had absolutely no understanding or guidance?" (Surah Al-Baqarah 2:170).
Rejection of Prophets: Whenever messengers were sent to nations, the elite would typically respond: "We found our forefathers on a way and we are only following in their footsteps" (Surah Az-Zukhruf 43:22).
1:28:00 Our package of beliefs
1:31:00 We can only judge a person's moral standing by whether he follows the principles he claims to have.
1:32:00 We can be unethical but not criminal, we can be immoral but not criminal, but if we break the law, then we are criminals and will get ourselves a criminal record. Islam with its sharia sees the logic of this, thereby making a minimum standard of morality compulsory rather than merely optional.
1:34:00 God is the superego in our divided psyche.
1:36:00 The principle of non-contradiction
1:37:00 Women who say "Love me, love my dog."
1:38:00 Christians are the ones with three global empires.
1:41:00 Praying to the right deity is crucial to accessing the best kind of afterlife.
8:00 Differences in Catholic and Protestant Bibles
22:00 The Church is the Hollywood Studios of American propaganda.
24:00 Is the church encouraging idolatry? Isn't it idolatry to worship a man?
25:00 Adam is a Mormon - another idolater. He talks casually of taking mushrooms.
27:00 God is giving idolaters what they want and deserve.
28:0 Christians are rehearsing for their meeting of meeting Jesus post mortem. They are in for a nasty shock when they realise He is not Jesus.
32:00 Mormons are a category of Christian. If you're Christian, you're guilty of anthropomorphism and therefore guilty of idolatry, a mortal sin..
34:00 Wow, imagine believing in these dumb stories literally.
36:00 Teaching scripture incorrectly. Christian scripture is not even from God.
Ron usually talks nonsenses but because he's Jewish, they give him Jewish privilege.
40:00 Christians are people too afraid to use the correct word because they are so afraid of each other that they refuse to say the dread word denomination.
58:00 Why is the Mormon quoting Zizek the Christian atheist?
1:02:00 Free will is moral reasoning. Secular Koranism is a test of moral reasoning.
1:05:00 What makes Christians think Jesus is God?
1:12:00 Being required to pretend to to believe in nonsense is an issue if you care about your beliefs being in harmony with Truth, Logic and Morality.
1:13:00 Narcissism could be an issue if you worship your own dumb opinions.
1:15:00 Hypocritical idolaters having other hypocritical idolaters to contend with is a burden indeed.
Does trust exist if it doesn’t have a place to land on? Like if I trust someone but they don’t believe in my trust…does it stull exist/matter
11:41 AM
@teestrypzSOG
#2
Yes it does.
11:43 AM
@SeekingGenuine
#1
Tayo, does the trust not just disintegrate or die once it doesn’t land? It seems it would not withstand long term…Not sure if this is too abstract
11:43 AM
@OOOTLAM
@teestrypzSOG Yes, it was good to see you. Shame you couldn't join us at the mock Tudor pub Red Lion afterwards.
11:44 AM
@anselman3156
what did i miss-an eggregore?
11:45 AM
@OOOTLAM
@SeekingGenuine Trust relies on whether someone conforms to expectations. You can "trust" a criminal to behave like a criminal!
11:46 AM
@OOOTLAM
@SeekingGenuine You can "trust" Chad to block me on his channel the moment he realises it is me. You can "trust" Chad to make jokes about Muslims being terrorists blowing themselves up at TLC events.
11:48 AM
@OOOTLAM
@chrishoward8473 We are different persons in different media eg streaming as a host, joining as a guest, trolling in the chat!
11:48 AM
@teestrypzSOG
#2
Bee, I think of faith and trust as synonymous
11:52 AM
@OOOTLAM
@SeekingGenuine Faith is believing things will turn out for the best eg that good will be rewarded and evil punished in this life and the next.
11:53 AM
@SeekingGenuine
#1
Claire, do you definitely see a difference in trust and faith?
11:55 AM
@OOOTLAM
@SeekingGenuine "Trust you to leave the lights on again!" It depends on the context.
11:56 AM
@OOOTLAM
@Eolson-helper We can be driver and pedestrian at different times and behave differently.
11:56 AM
@SeekingGenuine
#1
I like that answer, Claire 👌 my phrase is always adult diapers- “depends”
12:02 PM
@OOOTLAM
@RogerDodgerEsq Chad is the most emotionally compelling YouTuber in TLC because of the way he acts out n the way a lot of them want to but are too well-parented to do so.
12:03 PM
@βρεττς
I’m very disappointed in Glenn he gave out some false information probably not knowingly. But he should’ve done a little research.
12:03 PM
@OOOTLAM
If I got myself a guitar and cried and cried about how I hate everything and don't know anything, I would get more viewers.
12:03 PM
@anselman3156
Shaw the mythology man who thinks fairy tales are the way to revive Christianity
12:04 PM
@βρεττς
Claire, do you have the ability to not be mean.?
12:05 PM
@OOOTLAM
@βρεττς Who is this false information Glenn?
12:06 PM
@anselman3156
there's too much talk of fantasy and fairy tales, giving them some religious significance
12:06 PM
@OOOTLAM
@βρεττς Truth issues forth from me like water from a fountain.
12:06 PM
@the.marylander
Claire, according to Megan the only perpetual victim is me, so you can come for me. But I didn't think you will, mate.
12:07 PM
@anselman3156
story tellers spin yarns to misdirect you, and it's worse when given a pseudo religious aspect
12:07 PM
@MarkS.-ry7bm
thank you SG. waiting for my plaque from youtube
12:08 PM
@OOOTLAM
@the.marylander I don't understand what you're saying, I'm afraid. So do you know Megan?
12:08 PM
@βρεττς
I often wondered about those YouTube plaques. I don’t know that I would put one up unless they were paying me big money so my viewers don’t have to pay me big money.
12:08 PM
@βρεττς
But I assume that you don’t get the plaque unless you’re making them big money lol
12:08 PM
@the.marylander
Claire, I don't think so mate
12:09 PM
@MarkS.-ry7bm
Brett I post for the plaques
12:10 PM
@MarkS.-ry7bm
Chris Howard: "expansive" hermeneutic. I like that
12:10 PM
@βρεττς
Paul Harvey was awesome and funny
12:11 PM
@SeekingGenuine
#1
Unsure, Claire. Did I offend my DMV brother?
12:12 PM
@βρεττς
I’m considerate, but I don’t obsess over whether or not somebody is gonna get offended. I do my best, but I’m not perfect. I think that’s all anyone can do. And I don’t expect reciprocation.
12:12 PM
@anselman3156
Never blur the distinction between the God-breathed Scripture and our attempts to interpret it and apply it
12:12 PM
@OOOTLAM
@SeekingGenuine I said he would be welcome to come and chat on my channel and he started talking about Wendy's and mentioned you. I guess that was his way of saying NO after saying he was a victim.
12:12 PM
@βρεττς
The Bible has its own hermeneutic. No need to bring your own to it.
12:13 PM
@OOOTLAM
I think a lot of the problem is people not expressing themselves clearly.
12:13 PM
@anselman3156
everyone knows not to eat a cox's pippin apple cos Adam did that!
12:14 PM
@the.marylander
Claire, I don't think it is mate
12:14 PM
@βρεττς
It was fruit Anselman we do not know it was an apple. Lol there you go again.
12:14 PM
@SeekingGenuine
#1
@the.marylander, how far from DC are you?
12:14 PM
@OOOTLAM
Why do people not express themselves clearly? Is it a question of not being taught grammar or just a deliberate policy of indirect speech? If the latter, the reason must be fear.
12:15 PM
@OOOTLAM
@the.marylander You don't think what is what?
12:15 PM
@anselman3156
and a bit stuck in his throat!
12:15 PM
@SeekingGenuine
#1
Or rather, how far from Burke VA are you
12:16 PM
@OOOTLAM
There is a marked difference between Christian and Jewish YouTube.
12:16 PM
@SeekingGenuine
#1
I’ll be in NoVa in August and was curious if you’d want a IRL TLC meetup
12:16 PM
@anselman3156
I shoulda thought that was a compliment. Love apples
12:16 PM
@Jzepp
It is interesting to know that about 1/3 of the Old Testament is written in verse.
12:16 PM
@MarkS.-ry7bm
the 10 commandments aren't a story but they are found in one
12:16 PM
@βρεττς
Some people are more into these stories drawing parallels like Jonathan and Shaw
12:17 PM
@βρεττς
But it’s better to not miss the real point. It does get confusing and might add misinterpretation.
12:17 PM
@anselman3156
that's verse than I thought!
12:17 PM
@OOOTLAM
@anselman3156 Who is this mythology man?
12:18 PM
@the.marylander
I'm down, but I fear you actually just seek my gold panning spots
12:18 PM
@anselman3156
Martin Shaw OOOTLAM
12:18 PM
@the.marylander
does the O in OOOTLAM stand for osteoporosis
12:19 PM
@OOOTLAM
@Jzepp Which parts are in verse?
12:19 PM
@βρεττς
Psalms
12:19 PM
@βρεττς
Proverbs
12:21 PM
@anselman3156
The Scottish Metrical Psalms slightly paraphrase them and make them easy to memorise to sing by rhyme
12:21 PM
@Jzepp
@OOOTLAM Psalms, Proverbs, Ecclesiasties, Song of Solomon, and maybe more I can’t remember.
12:22 PM
@OOOTLAM
@Jzepp The entirety of the Koran is in verse.
12:22 PM
@Jzepp
#3
@OOOTLAM Sometimes I wonder if there is some meaning we may miss because of the verse structure that is lost in translation.
12:22 PM
@anselman3156
I to the hills will lift mine eyes from whence doth come mine aid My safety cometh from the LORD who heaven and earth hath made
12:24 PM
@OOOTLAM
@Jzepp It is really simple. You can only know God by understanding the nature and purpose of His laws. Your rulers have been trying to distract you from this for centuries..
12:24 PM
@βρεττς
It’s so no one has an excuse
12:25 PM
@anselman3156
papa Leo blessed ICE so that's ok ;)
12:27 PM
@OOOTLAM
The first law believers of the Abrahamic God need to understand is the First Commandment.
12:28 PM
@βρεττς
You can’t hold to a commandment Claire unless you actually believe there is a God
12:29 PM
@anselman3156
It's about using your spiritual gifts
12:29 PM
@Jzepp
#3
I think Gods laws are for our benefit. That may seem like an obvious statement, but if we make Gods laws for His benefit, things are very different.
12:30 PM
@anselman3156
The Cristian is given spiritual gifts to use
12:30 PM
@OOOTLAM
I am waiting backstage to explain the meaning of the verse about Jesus fulfilling the law.
12:31 PM
@SeekingGenuine
#1
Family reunion!
12:33 PM
@OOOTLAM
Brett, even a criminal can tell if a law is being broken.
12:33 PM
@βρεττς
There is where you miss read the Bible. Right there
12:34 PM
@Jzepp
#3
Does a law-breaker benefit from punishment?
12:34 PM
@MarkS.-ry7bm
ask Claire about Caleb Maupin
12:34 PM
@βρεττς
Yes, great let’s talk more about the law and politic
12:35 PM
@SeekingGenuine
#1
Sarcasm gone wild out here haha
12:35 PM
@βρεττς
You don’t care what Jesus has to say anyway
12:35 PM
@anselman3156
Jesus fulfilled the sacrificial system by his sacrifice
12:36 PM
@anselman3156
he replaced circumcision with baptism
12:36 PM
@anselman3156
he replaced passover meal with holy communion
12:36 PM
@MarkS.-ry7bm
Claire, I believe you would appreciate the work of Haz of Infrared, a conservative Muslim Leninist
12:37 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
I have a theory about what those words might mean, Brett!
12:37 PM
@anselman3156
he suffered the death penalty for sin on our behalf to reconcile us to God by his blood
12:37 PM
@the.marylander
12 missed calls from the prophet Mohammad
12:37 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
We first need to identify the law!
12:38 PM
@βρεττς
#2
We first need to recognize there’s actually a God and then people would care
12:38 PM
@anselman3156
Law covers the eternal moral law and the temporary ritual laws
12:39 PM
@MarkS.-ry7bm
modernity explained "you're muted"
12:40 PM
@βρεττς
#2
But who cares about the law if they don’t believe where it comes from?
12:40 PM
@βρεττς
#2
I don’t see the Seventh-day Adventist being Christian
12:42 PM
@YoavBressler
"tricking them to break the Sabbath"
12:43 PM
@RogerDodgerEsq
You can hold your views and say what you think, just dont be surprised when people acknowledge what they observe.
12:43 PM
@teestrypzSOG
#3
Who’s that boomer comedian that everyone loves? He has a bit about the 10 commandments, not a fan
12:43 PM
@anselman3156
The Christian first day Lord's Day is the true sabbath since Jesus' resurrection
12:43 PM
@βρεττς
#2
Claire, the utilitarian
12:45 PM
@the.marylander
Tucker Carlson is a very funny comedian
12:45 PM
@anselman3156
Claire probably does not take time to listen to Christian explanations of the texts she finds problematic
12:45 PM
@teestrypzSOG
#2
George’s the second funniest Carlson
12:45 PM
@the.marylander
Claire prob thinks Lucky Charms are part of a balanced breakfast
12:46 PM
@SeekingGenuine
#1
Are they not?! 👀
12:46 PM
@the.marylander
George Carlin?
12:46 PM
@teestrypzSOG
#2
We got there in the end
12:46 PM
@anselman3156
Claire has still not responded to my advice to read Isaiah 9 and 10 about God becoming a man
12:46 PM
@RogerDodgerEsq
That's fine, I can't force your remorse, only recommend further introspection.
12:47 PM
@anselman3156
Jesus Christ is not just a prophet, not just a man, but the mighty God, the Holy One of Israel become a man
12:48 PM
@anselman3156
The koran denies the fact of Jesus' death on the cross
12:48 PM
@teestrypzSOG
#2
I love when Tunji forces Claire to stick to the topic 😂😂
12:48 PM
@the.marylander
in soviet Russia, the cross dies on Jesus
12:48 PM
@RogerDodgerEsq
If you love and respect Muslims, I would think you might not want to slander their religious belief system with bigoted tropes which could offend them
12:49 PM
@teestrypzSOG
#2
I look forward to her stream after this, cussing out Tunji
12:49 PM
@βρεττς
You dragged things out Claire and say the same thing.
12:49 PM
@CharlieWaffles-e4m
Claire loves dead horses
12:49 PM
@the.marylander
@rodgerdodgeresq it's hard to take people seriously when their name rhymes. all lawyers know that
12:50 PM
@βρεττς
You don’t listen Claire at all
12:50 PM
@anselman3156
There are some differences of opinion within all religious groups. The main Christian consensus uphold the 10 commandments and First day sabbath
12:50 PM
@SeekingGenuine
#1
Good excuse Chris haha
12:50 PM
@teestrypzSOG
#2
Thanks gents, it’s been fun
12:51 PM
@RogerDodgerEsq
Damn it, why didn't I think of that "marylary" lol
12:51 PM
@SeekingGenuine
#1
I’m with ya, Chad. Give me the relevance
12:51 PM
@AdoAboutNoThing
Agreed Chad and Megan
12:51 PM
@βρεττς
Some people get off on this emotional elevation
12:51 PM
@anselman3156
Peace to all Trust in Jesus, Lord God and Saviour
12:52 PM
@anselman3156
Jesus Christ is Lord
12:53 PM
@OOOTLAM
@anselman3156 Prove it!
12:53 PM
@OOOTLAM
I didn't even mention Secular Koranism!
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53:00 Spirit of the law
Mark Parker refused to say what he wanted Trump to do while objecting to what he was doing with ICE.
56:00 Fulfilling and abolishing the law
1:03:00 CLAIRE KHAW joins to ask what it means to say Jesus came to fulfil the law rather than abolishing it.
1:07:00 The Sabbath
1:08:00 What is controversial?
1:09:00 We have to identify the law we are supposed to obey.
1:10:00 The Sabbath is controversial even amongst people identifying as Christian eg Seventh Day Adventists and Jehovah's Witnesses
1:11:00 Christians agree about the Ten Commandments.
1:12:00 Jesus calling a Canaanite woman a dog.
In the Gospels (Matthew 15:21-28 and Mark 7:24-30), Jesus tells a Gentile (Canaanite/Syrophoenician) woman that "it is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs." He uses this metaphor to establish the priority of his ministry to the Jewish people first.
1:14:00 The Noahide laws
The Koran
1:15:00 The New Testament supersedes the Old Testament.
1:16:00 The Book of Jeremiah predicts a New Covenant.
1:17:00 God's law is for everyone.
1:18:00 I never even mentioned Secular Koranism!
1:20:00 Chris says it is hard to receive new information.
12:00 Sadly for Christians, they are not capable of coherent thought. If they did think clearly, they would know that idolatry is a mortal sin and that being guilty of a mortal sin makes them Hell-bound. The only conclusion one can draw about their indifference is that they are atheist hypocrites who never believed that Jesus is God and only pretended to in order avoid being burned at the stake. Sadly, 21st century Americans have not yet received the memo.
17:00 Tre is restorationist ex-Jehovah's Witness.
27:00 Elon Musk calling his children odd names
30:00 Censorship increases antisemitism and CIA-controlled SPLC and ADL know this.
34:00 ETs
55:00 Covid
1:00:00 Lies and statistics
1:09:00 Jacob Faturechi rap
1:13:00 USS Liberty and antisemites
1:17:00 Controversial comments about Jews on a Jacob's channel
1:44:00 Gavin Ortlund v Stephen De Young, Buddhist
1:45:00 Reform Judaism
1:46:00 India
1:47:00 Temple prostitution practised by hijras.
1:48:00 Neo-pagans
1:49:00 Iceland, Odin and Nazis
1:50:00 Hitler
1:55:00 Mein Kampf
1;56:00 Jonathan Pageau
1:57:00 Psychotherapy
2:00:00 Stephen De Young as Judaiser
2:02:00 Pharisee
2:04:00 Open dialogue between Jews and gentiles
2:05:00 The Generations of Jesus
AI Overview
The topic you are referring to is known as Toledot Yeshu (The Book of the Generations of Jesus). It is an early medieval Jewish polemical text and counter-history that circulated for centuries as a response to Christian theology and the Gospels.
The Origins and Narrative of Toledot Yeshu
What it is: Toledot Yeshu is not a single, cohesive text, but rather a collection of varying medieval manuscripts that function as a parody or "counter-gospel" to the New Testament.
The "Generations" (Lineage): The narrative subverts Christian claims about the virgin birth and the Davidic line. In these texts, Jesus is framed as the illegitimate child of Mary and a Roman soldier named Panthera (or Pandera).
Purpose: The text was primarily used within insular Jewish communities during the Middle Ages. It served as a polemical tool to mock the divinity of Jesus, undermine the credibility of the Gospels, and reinforce the belief that conversion to Christianity was fundamentally invalid.
Historical Impact
Polemics: This literature was an attempt to provide an alternative historical account to address the explosive growth of Christianity, often framing Jesus as a sorcerer who derived his power by stealing the secret name of God from the Temple.Christian Reaction: In the Middle Ages, Christian authorities, often alerted by Jewish converts (such as Nicholas Donin in the 13th century), became aware of these writings. This led to intense Christian persecution, the censorship and burning of the Talmud, and the spread of antisemitic accusations that Jews were conspiring against the faith.
Disputation of Paris and Barcelona
2:10:00 Gentiles aren't human.
2:13:00 Sefaria
2;14:00 Women and gentiles reading Talmud would be spiritually harmful.
2:18:00 Talmud studied in pairs and groups.
2:19:00 Grim Griz
2:22:00 The Talmud misquoted by antisemites.
2:27:00 Spitting on priests in Jerusalem
2:29:00 Nuns
2:32:00 Jews hiding from Christians on Christmas Eve
2:34:00 Orthobonehead channels
2:35:00 Where Jews mostly live
Isaiah 53
Lambs to the slaughter
2:36:00 The Trinity
2:39:00 Virgin Mary
2:40:00 2 Corinthians 3:7
2:46:00 Ministry of Death
Antisemitism and anti-Judaism
2:47:00 Jews are a priesthood.
2:50:00 "I didn't do it!"
2:56:00 Jews were slaves.
2:57:00 The Gospel of John
2:59:00 The New Testament was rewritten by Romans.
3:10:00 Ezekiel
3:26:00 Iran and Lebanon
3:42:00 US military power
4:02:00 Calvinism
4:04:00 Jay Dyer
4:13:00 Cambridge Analytica
4:14:00 USS Liberty
4:15:00 Francis Parker Yockey's Imperium
4:16:00 End of the world Christian
4:19:00 Cybernetics
4:20:00 Electrician
4:22:00 Zionist
4:26:00
4:52:00 Driverless cars
4:57:00 WES CAUTHERS joins to talk about Gavin Ortlund.
5:14:00 Orthodox Christianity
5:23:00 Talmud for arguing.
The Talmud is the cook book, the Torah is the oven.
