Neither Owen Barfield and C S Lewis were trained theologians

Was Owen Barfield Christian?

BRAVE

*Yes, Owen Barfield was a Christian**, specifically baptized into the **Anglican Church* in *1949* with C.S. Lewis in attendance. Although he maintained a lifelong adherence to *Rudolf Steiner’s Anthroposophy**, his philosophical work, particularly regarding the **evolution of consciousness**, logically led him to accept Christian teachings, viewing **Christ* as central to human spiritual development.

*   Barfield described himself as a *convinced Christian* and considered taking communion his "happiest hour," despite his unorthodox interpretations of the Trinity and belief in concepts like reincarnation. 

*   His faith was deeply intertwined with his literary and philosophical output, influencing his close friendship with C.S. Lewis and his role within the **Inklings**. 

*   While his views were often esoteric and distinct from mainstream orthodoxy [HE WAS A HERETIC], historical records and his own writings confirm he identified as a Christian thinker throughout his later life.

Several of Barfield's beliefs, all inherited from *Rudolf Steiner's* **Anthroposophy**, sat well outside mainstream Christian doctrine:

- *Reincarnation* – He held to it his whole life, seeing it as essential to the evolution of consciousness (successive incarnations allow spirits to develop toward divinity). He defended it against orthodox rejection as a "rash generalization," but it is the clearest break with mainstream Christianity. 

- *The Trinity as impersonal forces* – He interpreted the Trinity in terms that "often sounded more like impersonal forces than a traditional Christian understanding." *C.S. Lewis* objected that anthroposophists don't really believe in "God the Father Almighty," while Barfield accused Lewis of over-stressing the Father at the Son's expense. 

- *An esoteric Christology* – He taught that Christ's nature involved the union of two souls: an unfallen "Eden-soul" and a soul shaped by previous lives, joined at the baptism in the Jordan when "the uncreated light" entered Jesus' consciousness. This pre-existent, incarnating soul is a Steiner-derived idea, not orthodox Christology. 

- *Radical monism / Idealism* – He treated reality as "solely mental," with a porous boundary between Creator and creature, the human "I" becoming a vehicle for the divine Spirit. From a Catholic-orthodox standpoint this "bordered on Gnosticism." 

- *Anthroposophy as "spiritual science"* – Its claims to objective clairvoyant knowledge, spiritual hierarchies, an etheric plane, and archangels were contested by contemporaries like Lewis as unsubstantiated. 

- *A critical view of the Church* – He portrayed the institutional church as an "exoteric popularizer" of Christ's deeper, esoteric wisdom, and denied that revelation closed with the New Testament canon.

In short, Barfield was a **Christian iconoclast**: he kept the Incarnation as the "turning point of time" but wrapped it in a Steinerian framework that orthodox thinkers found heretical.

I don't suppose any of you care.  Anyone can call himself Christian however blatant his heresy. No terms are ever defined and no one ever cares as long as one wishes to define oneself as Christian in contradistinction to Islam as an object of ridicule and hatred as well as any kind of policy that could be interpreted to be effectively supportive of the institutions of marriage and the family.

1:38:00  So Christians basically made some story up and then started to worship these ideas. Tolkien and Lewis are worshiped because they told stories that adults identifying as Christian enjoyed as children knowing full well they were children's fiction.

1:43:00  Christendom had already ended in 1918, Paul. National Socialism and Communism were just attempts to replace representative democracy. All the wrong ways have been tried already. Sadly, Islamophobes want to invent new wrong ways to try indulging in their desire to cut off their noses to spite own faces.

Can Secular Koranism save the Western world?

9:00  CLAIRE KHAW mentioned.

Moral men and moral women should be agreed on the fundamental principles of morality. If they cannot agree, then one of them must be immoral.  

27:00  For every law there will be an exception. Does this mean no law should be enforced?

28:00   The important thing to remember about the Pharisees is that Jewry is descended from them while the Sadducees who denied the afterlife and the Essenes who preferred isolation and monasticism are now extinct.

29:00  Who was it who said "Rules are made to be broken"?

32:00  Isn't America one nation under God trusting in God? Isn't there only one Abrahamic God? Isn't the Declaration of Independence closer to Islam than Christianity?

37:00  We must love facts and logic even though it hurts because submitting to facts and logic is a universal survival strategy. None of the five world religions would deny this. Even the secular political ideologues believe that their secular political ideology is closer to facts and logic than the beliefs of ethical monotheists. It is the easiest thing to use facts and logic to decide the matter. Too bad none of the people claiming to be Jews, Christians and Muslims have sufficient moral conviction to have an honest, rational and conclusive theological discussion about which religion is best. 

The Founding Fathers were the first Europeans to take Europeans away from Christianity. The moment Americans passed their First Amendment, you can imagine every other European wanting the same rights for themselves too, provoking the French and Russian Revolutions that ended Christendom in 1918. 

20th century European history was an attempt to replace the beliefs and political system of monarchy with Nationalism and Socialism. It is ironic that the nation most able to combine the two proved to be China under its one-party system. 

George Washington warned against political parties in his farewell speech, but getting any American to read it and discuss it has proven to be an impossible task for me.  

The one party state was in fact a Washingtonian idea and almost everything that has gone wrong with America can be traced to ignoring so much of Washington's advice. 

Indeed, if Europeans had arrived Muslim in America, the Civil War would not have broken out because Muslims, known for taking the Word of God seriously and therefore literally, would have had to acknowledge that though God banned a whole bunch of things, He neither banned slavery nor prostitution.

29:00  Who was it who said "Rules are made to be broken"?

32:00  Isn't America one nation under God trusting in God? Isn't there only one Abrahamic God? Isn't the Declaration of Independence closer to Islam than Christianity?

37:00  We must love facts and logic even though it hurts because submitting to facts and logic is a universal survival strategy. None of the five world religions would deny this. Even the secular political ideologues believe that their secular political ideology is closer to facts and logic than the beliefs of ethical monotheists. It is the easiest thing to use facts and logic to decide the matter. Too bad none of the people claiming to be Jews, Christians and Muslims have sufficient moral conviction to have an honest, rational and conclusive theological discussion about which religion is best. 

The Founding Fathers were the first Europeans to take Europeans away from Christianity. The moment Americans passed their First Amendment, you can imagine every other European wanting the same rights for themselves too, provoking the French and Russian Revolutions that ended Christendom in 1918. 

20th century European history was an attempt to replace the beliefs and political system of monarchy with Nationalism and Socialism. It is ironic that the nation most able to combine the two proved to be China under its one-party system. 

George Washington warned against political parties in his farewell speech, but getting any American to read it and discuss it has proven to be an impossible task for me.  

The one party state was in fact a Washingtonian idea and almost everything that has gone wrong with America can be traced to ignoring so much of Washington's advice. 

Indeed, if Europeans had arrived Muslim in America, the Civil War would not have broken out because Muslims, known for taking the Word of God seriously and therefore literally, would have had to acknowledge that though God banned a whole bunch of things, He neither banned slavery nor prostitution.

Discussing manifest destiny with White Muslim Woman; Excess Male and Mike Malzahn

 

https://thevoiceofreason-ann.blogspot.com/2026/11/talking-to-whitemuslimbroadcast-mike.html

2:00  Manifest Destiny

3:00  Most people will say it was destined to happen once it has happened.

"Why not manifest destiny that the United States becomes Muslim since Christians don't seem to want to keep it."

4:00  The Declaration of Independence is more Islamic than Christian.

American Muslim Mission

The American Muslim Mission was a major North American Islamic organization led by Imam Warith Deen Mohammed that transitioned the movement toward mainstream Sunni Islam. [1, 2]

History and Evolution

Origins: It evolved from the Nation of India/Nation of Islam (NOI). Following the death of NOI leader Elijah Muhammad in 1975, his son Warith Deen Mohammed took leadership and initiated a steady theological shift toward orthodox Sunni Islam. [1, 2]
Name Changes:
• In November 1976, the group was renamed the World Community of al-Islam in the West.
• In April 1978, it was renamed the American Muslim Mission. [1, 2]
Dissolution: Warith Deen Mohammed disbanded the American Muslim Mission in 1985, instructing members to join local mainstream mosques. [1, 2]
Later Organizations: In 1988, Mohammed established a successor organization called the American Society of Muslims (ASM), which operated until the early 2000s. He later retired in 2003 and founded the charitable foundation The Mosque Cares. [1]

Key Details

Leadership: Led by Imam Warith Deen Mohammed until his passing in 2008. [1, 2]
Demographics: Its membership was predominantly African-American Muslims, representing one of the largest indigenous Muslim movements in the United States. [1, 2, 3]
Legacy: The transition helped integrate a large body of African-American Muslims into global Sunni Islam while maintaining a strong emphasis on community dignity and social uplift. [1, 2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Society_of_Muslims

6:00  There is only one Abrahamic God.

7:00  If you were creating a political system, you would choose the most powerful God. 

8:00  The afterlife

9:00  Being a liar was once a disgrace.

10:00  "Lying has become morality itself in the United States."

https://huc.edu/news/my-journey-with-pronouns-and-genderfluidity/

12:00  "You guys"

13:00  Teaching children to lie

14:00  "Every sin starts with a lie."

15:00  The Founding Fathers were about telling the truth.

"Lying to yourself causes stagnation in making a decision."

16:00  Status and hierarchy

17:00  The government has to protect to the people.

An unquestionable chain of command

An open letter from the group Flag Officers 4 America—signed by 124 retired U.S. generals and admirals—questioned President Joe Biden's mental and physical fitness and stated that "We must always have an unquestionable chain of command". [1, 2]

Key Details of the Letter

Signatories: Released by Flag Officers 4 America, a coalition of retired military officers. [1, 2]
Core Concerns: The letter questioned the health and cognitive readiness of the Commander-in-Chief, arguing that leadership must be able to make rapid national security decisions. [1, 2]
Nuclear Codes & Chain of Command: The signatories cited inquiries regarding nuclear code procedures as sending a dangerous signal to adversaries and raising questions about who is in charge. [1, 2]
Broader Claims: The text also echoed controversial political and election-related assertions, which drew swift criticism and pushback from current and former officials, military analysts, and figures like Hillary Clinton who labeled the letter "bizarre, shameful, and untrue". [1, 2, 3]

https://img1.wsimg.com/blobby/go/fb7c7bd8-097d-4e2f-8f12-3442d151b57d/downloads/2021%20Open%20Letter%20from%20Retired%20Generals%20and%20Adm.pdf

21:00  Converted at 25

24:00  Belief in the afterlife is somewhat lacking in Judaism. 

25:00  Jews have been quartered like a cake.

27:00  Reform Jews

28:00  Ultra Orthodox Jews

30:00  Orthodox Jews in Iran

31:00  Iranian Jews

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yehuda_Gerami

33:00  Sex change operations in Iran

34:00  Coffee shops in Iran

35:00  Questioning God's judgement

37:00  The Torah forbids unisex clothing. 

39:00  Gender Recognition Certificate

42:00  Ugly people get married.

43:00  Delusional women

44:00  Retards can marry in the US.

46:00  The Female Filter

47:00  Manosphere and incels

50:00  "The dating schene is the computer."

51:00  Objectifying women

54:00  Slavery in the Prison Industrial Complex

57:00  EXCESS MALE joins to discuss incel.

1:00:00  Bachelors were supposed to be incels.

1:02:00  Stephen Fry

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2010/oct/31/stephen-fry-sex-women-relationships-attitude

1:05:00  "The only reason why women have any power in society is men let them have it."

1:06:00  Swinging 60s and the Sex Revolution 

1:07:00  Arrested adolescence

1:08:00  Child supervision

1:11:00  Malls will become housing.

1:12:00  "Heretical Islam"

Co-opting the idea

1:13:00  King Charles

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tampongate

1:20:00  Tony Blair

1:22:00  Saving America

1:23:00  Jews

1:24:00  Seeing Rockefeller before seeing the President?

1:53:00  Secular Kornaism

Young women don't want marriage, men want a girlfriend experience.

1:55:00  Women are "post male".

1:57:00  Rigged game

1:59:00  "Chronically beaten dogs"

2:01:00  Eugenic marriage

2:02:00  Vincent Bruno

2:03:00  China

Fornication

2:04:00  Abortion

Vivek Ramswamy v Amy Acton

2:10:00  Modern contraception

Marriage license

2:11:00  Talking about Secular Koranism down town Salt Lake Society

2:13:00  Fair enough

2:14:00  Monogamy

Human stock

2:15:00  We can't be anything we want to be.

Know your place.  

2:16:00  Genetic determinism

Classical Liberalism 

Humanism

2:18:00  The law

2:19:00  Shame

Government in a paternal role

2:20:00  The matriarchy is evil, mad and stupid.

2:21:00  No reward in winning the argument.

Facts and logic

2:22:00  Women in public life

Foreign policy

2:23:00  Divine narrative

2:24:00  Isaiah 45:7

2:25:00  Following the Religion of Mum and Dad

Larping

2:26:00  Facile and shallow worship

2:28:00  Communism is easier to believe than the Trinity.

2:29:00  Dialectical materialism

2:30:00  The Trinity is indefensible.

2:31:00  The First Amendment

2:32:00  A rapidly ageing and shrinking society

The national interest

2022 was when I first spoke to White Muslim Woman.

2:35:00  Class divisions

2:36:00  Licensed brothel

2:37:00  MIKE MALZAHN joins.

2:38:00  Polygamy

2:39:00  Big Love

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Love

2:43:00  Abortion

2:44:00  Fixing the problem at the root

Mike's parents

2:45:00  Divorced mother

2:46:00  Ex-Mormon

2:48:00  Job

The Book of Mormon

2:49:00  Divine intervention

2:50:00  Beliefs

2:51:00  James Lovelock

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Lovelock

2:52:00  Secular  Koranism

2:54:00  Gilded Age

2:55:00  Purpose is assigned.

2:56:00  Intrinsic value in things

Hierarchy

2:57:00  Observable decline in Western civilisation

2:58:00  Disenfranchisement

2:59:00  How screwed up women are

3:00:00  Big Love

3:02:00  Illuminati

3:03:00  Ross Perot

3:04:00  Bill Clinton

Obama

3:06:00  Arkansas

3:10:00  Muslims, Jews and Zionism

3:12:00  Kosher kind of antisemitism

3:13:00  Nick Fuentes

3:14:00  AI

Increased invasiveness of the iron fist

3:16:00  Jordan Peterson and Greta Thunberg

Kosher antisemitism

3:18:00  CAIR

3:19:00  Racially appropriate religion

3:20:00  Secular worldview

NASA propaganda

3:21:00  Scientism

3:22:00  Manufactured belief

Blank slate

3:23:00  Atheists renting out churches

Adam and Eve

3:24:00  Cautionary tales of the Bible

3:25:00  Big Bang and Evolution

3:26:00  The alleged Creation

3:28:00  Creationist

The Flood

Carbon dating

3:29:00  Children of Adam and  Eve must have committed incest.

3:31:00  Evolution

The origin of life

3:32:00  Primordial soup

Like a dog returning to its vomit, the fool returns to his folly

 

55:00  CLAIRE KHAW joins to talk about chili ice cream.

56:00  Like a dog returning to its vomit, a fool returns to his folly. Proverbs 26:11

Meaning of the Quote

The phrase means that while exact historical events rarely happen twice, human nature, social dynamics, and economic cycles generate striking similarities and patterns over time. Different eras share underlying rhythms, structures, and echoes even if the specific details differ. [1, 2, 3, 4]

Origin and Attribution

Mark Twain Attribution: The saying is widely and famously attributed to Mark Twain, though he never used this exact compact phrasing. [1, 2]
What Twain Actually Wrote: In his 1874 novel The Gilded Age: A Tale of To-Day (co-written with Charles Dudley Warner), he wrote: "History never repeats itself, but the Kaleidoscopic combinations of the pictured present often seem to be constructed out of the broken fragments of antique legends." [1, 2]
True Origin: According to research by Quote Investigator, the exact phrasing ("History doesn't repeat itself, but it rhymes") does not reliably trace back to Twain's own published works; the compact formulation appeared decades later. (Some literary historians also note similar sentiments attributed loosely to figures like Thucydides or George Santayana, who warned that those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it). [1, 2]

57:00  Olson denies Francis Fukuyama is a neocon.

58:00  End of History

1:00:00  Warts and all history

Solomon was supposed to have written Ecclessiastes.

1:01:00  Taxation was what caused the Kingdom of Israel to split into two

The united kingdom of Israel split after King Solomon's death due to heavy taxation and forced labor, combined with his son Rehoboam’s harsh leadership and long-standing tribal tensions. [1, 2]

According to the biblical account in 1 Kings, the division unfolded through these key factors:

1. Solomon’s Policies and Idolatry

Heavy Burdens: Solomon’s massive building projects—including the Temple in Jerusalem and his royal palaces—required heavy taxes and forced labor from the people. [1, 2]
Spiritual Disobedience: Solomon married many foreign wives who introduced pagan worship and idolatry, which angered God. The prophet Ahijah prophesied that God would tear ten of the twelve tribes away from Solomon's house as a consequence. [1, 2, 3]

2. Rehoboam’s Refusal and Pride

The Demand for Relief: After Solomon died, his son Rehoboam went to Shechem to be crowned. The northern tribes, led by Jeroboam (who had returned from exile in Egypt), asked Rehoboam to lighten the heavy yoke of taxes and labor. [1, 2]
Bad Advice: Rehoboam rejected the counsel of the older, wise advisors to ease the burden. Instead, he followed the advice of his young peers and threatened to make the people's workload and taxes even heavier. [1, 2]

3. The Revolt and Split

Rebellion: Ten of the northern tribes rejected Rehoboam and the Davidic dynasty, declaring: "What portion do we have in David? We have no inheritance in the son of Jesse!" [1, 2]
Two Kingdoms: The nation split into two:
• The Northern Kingdom (Israel): Comprised of the ten northern tribes, with Jeroboam as their king.
• The Southern Kingdom (Judah): Comprised of the tribes of Judah and Benjamin, remaining loyal to Rehoboam and the house of David. [1, 2, 3]

1:03:00  Being a licensed prostitute as a supplier of sex to men is clearly lower status than being a wife and mother.

1:04:00  Women cannot be reasoned with and are risk-averse.

1:06:00  Sluts are practising female altruism.

Porn would be banned under SK USA.

1:07:00  Only Fans

1:09:00  Marriage is the most expensive of sex.

Unrealistic expecations

1:11:00  Anna Nicol Smith

1:13:00  The boy next door

1:15:00  Perfect teeth and skin

1:16:00  Know thyself.

1:17:00  Two bagger

1:19:00  High maintenance women

1:20:00  Alpha male or beta male

1:21:00  Neuroticism

Jordan Peterson uses the standard Big Five personality traits model (often remembered by the acronym OCEAN or CANOE), which he and co-researchers further expanded into 10 underlying aspects in the Understand Myself assessment. [1, 2, 3, 4]

The Five Major Personality Dimensions

Openness to Experience (O): Measures creativity, curiosity, intelligence, and a preference for novelty, aesthetics, and abstract ideas.
• Aspects: Intellect and Openness. [1, 2, 3, 4]
Conscientiousness (C): Measures self-control, diligence, industriousness, and a sense of duty or organization. It is one of the strongest predictors of success in school and work.
• Aspects: Industriousness and Orderliness. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
Extraversion (E): Measures positive emotion, social energy, assertiveness, and gregariousness.
• Aspects: Enthusiasm and Assertiveness. [1, 2, 3, 4]
Agreeableness (A): Measures compassion, politeness, helpfulness, and a tendency to cooperate rather than compete.
• Aspects: Compassion and Politeness. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
Neuroticism (N): Measures negative emotionality, such as a proneness to anxiety, sadness, irritability, and emotional instability.
• Aspects: Withdrawal and Volatility. [1, 2, 3, 4]

1:23:00  Dog breeds and women

1:24:00  Marriage bureau

1:25:00  Singapore

1:26:00  Monogamy

1:28:00  Step parents and step children

1:30:00  High maintenance husband in Fiddler on the Roof

1:31:00  Abolition of no fault divorce

Secular Koranism

1:32:00  The First Amendment

1:33:00  Jeffersonian Koranism

1:32:00  Republic v Monarchy

1:35:00  States rights v federation supremacy

1:36:00  State government

1:38:00  Marriage and divorce laws in the US are complicated.

1:39:00  Getting a divorce in Las Vegas

1:40:00  Church