The Voice of Reason

Sunday, 21 June 2026

Why did @FrStephenDeYoung who appeared on @TuckerCarlson convert to Orthodox Christianity?

2:00 Viktor Frankl on love

Room empties when I arrive

Scott talks about love.

4:00 Luke talks nonsense.

5:00 "Happy in death"

Scott talks nonsense.

6:00 "Perfect love casts out fear."

9:00 Because of the "happy in death" comment, I say they have been discussing the how to avoid fearing death.

10:00 Gavin Ortlund/Stephen De Young

12:00 Stephen De Young has not explained why he converted to Orthodox Christianity.

13:00 Accents

14:00 Luke talks nonsense.

15:00 Stephen De Young was chasing Jacob.

https://thevoiceofreason-ann.blogspot.com/2026/06/is-it-problem-for-americans-that.html

20:00 Scott talks unrelated nonsense.

22:00 I mention Rabbi Tovia Singer's theory that Orthodox Christianity has the appeal of being non-Zionist.

Is it a problem for Americans that America has no established religion?

1:00 America has no state church.

TLC is ecumenical.

2:00 "Competent conversations"

3:00 PVK says again he wants to "rando" me.

Does PVK think the Third Commandment means "no idolatry"? But that is the First Commandment!

4:00 Gavin Ortlund/Stephen De Young dialogue not yet viewed by PVK

6:00 Whig history

7:00 Liberal values

8:00 Tories and Whigs

Corn laws

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If I were a Christian Nationalist, I would have to decide which denomination to choose to promote my Christian Nationalism.

Why did @FrStephenDeYoung convert from Protestantism to Orthodox Christianity?

@ToviaSinger1 has a theory: antisemitism. If you hate Jews, you hate Israel. If you hate Israel, you would prefer Catholicism to Anglicanism because the Anglican Church and America immediately recognised Israel in 1948. It took the Catholic Church till 1993 to recognise Israel. The Orthodox Church has never recognised Israel.

The most innocent reason for Americans converting from the Protestantism of their ancestors is that they want a Christianity considerably older than the 250 years their republic has been in existence.

A more nefarious reason - if you consider White Nationalism to be nefarious - is that Orthodox Christianity is more antisemitic and non-American and the Christianity of Putin and Dugin for self-hating Americans who hate what American Christianity and liberalism has done to their country and demographics.

White Nationalists do not seem to know that Russia is the largest European country with the highest percentage of Muslim citizens.

The European country with the highest percentage of Muslim citizens is Azerbaijan, where the population is 95–100% Muslim.

If considering only European Union member states, Cyprus has the highest percentage at approximately 25.4%, driven largely by the Turkish Cypriot population in the north.

Among the countries typically discussed in Western European demographic contexts, Bosnia and Herzegovina has the highest share at roughly 50.7–51%, making it the only European country where Muslims form an outright majority.

Key Rankings by Percentage

Azerbaijan: 95–100%

Turkey (European part): 90–95%

Kosovo: ~90%

Albania: 55–60%

Bosnia and Herzegovina: ~51%

Cyprus (EU only): 25.4%

France: ~8–9%

Germany: ~6–6.6%

Estimates for the percentage of Muslims in Russia vary significantly depending on the source, ranging from 7% to 17% of the total population.

Official State Data: The Russian Public Opinion Research Center (VCIOM) reported that 7% of Russians identified as Muslims in 2025.

Academic & Independent Estimates: Surveys such as the 2012 Arena Atlas placed the figure at 6.5%, while other estimates range from 10% to 15%, with some sources suggesting up to 17% (approximately 20–25 million people).

Context: The Muslim community is the second-largest religious group in Russia, primarily consisting of indigenous ethnic groups like Tatars, Bashkirs, and Chechens, as well as migrants from Central Asia.

United States Muslims make up approximately 1% to 1.3% of the total U.S. population. Estimates for the total number of Muslims range between 3.5 million and 4.5 million, depending on the methodology used by different research organizations. The community is notably young, with about 26% of Muslims between the ages of 18 and 24, and is the most ethnically diverse religious group in the country.

United Kingdom Muslims constitute approximately 6.5% to 7% of the UK population. Recent census data and estimates place the number of Muslims in the UK at around 4 to 4.5 million.

The population is concentrated in major urban centers like London, Birmingham, and Manchester. Projections suggest this percentage could rise significantly in the coming decades, potentially reaching over 10% by 2050.

Samoa considers ban on non-Christian religions

https://islandsbusiness.com/news-break/samoa-considers-ban-on-non-christian-religions/

Christians use talking about love as displacement therapy to avoid heeding their moral imperative

11:48 AM

@OOOTLAM

The 12 Steps is the unofficial religion of America. Step 4 is key to restoring sanity to the American Republic.

11:49 AM

@OOOTLAM

@TheyRobb Which Church would you say won the Wars of the Reformation? The Orthodox Church has lost its monarchs so the winner must be the C of E.

11:51 AM

@OOOTLAM

The matriarchy promotes mediocrity.

11:51 AM

@TheyRobb

@claire, I'd say Catholics won the Reformation, hence why Obama had Pope on WH balcony on the 500th anniversary of the Reformation and also seen with Biden, Vance, and Supreme Court, etc

11:52 AM

@OOOTLAM

@TheyRobb The point is that Christianity did not even the defend the divine right of kings to rule. King Charles has fewer rights than the average US citizen.

11:53 AM

@OOOTLAM

@TheyRobb There may be more Catholics, but the Pope in practice submits to the liberal order. Pope Francis was a Catholic universalist, but no one noticed.

11:53 AM

@TheyRobb

likewise Britan won the American Revolution as seen with Trump had King Charles on WH balcony of 250th anniversary of Revolution

11:54 AM

@OOOTLAM

@TheyRobb NATO is the Delian League and its members US vassal states.

11:55 AM

@OOOTLAM

@TheyRobb The British Royal Family but the puppets of the Punch and Judy Show.

11:56 AM

@OOOTLAM

@teestrypzSOG Charles converting to Islam would precipitate a constitutional crisis and utterly destroy the C of E. That is how I see SK UK happening.

11:56 AM

@teestrypzSOG

@OOOTLAM wtf starts off a conversation like that

11:57 AM

@OOOTLAM

@teestrypzSOG Just continuing the conversation from a previous stream!

11:57 AM

@TheyRobb

Claire, most dont comprehend what the World Wars was about, it was European royal cousins fighting over the Napoleonic spoils of Holy Roman Empire, which is part of Christian Imperialism - Christendom

11:57 AM

@OOOTLAM

@teestrypzSOG You were saying SK was stupid, but I have a plan.

11:57 AM

@teestrypzSOG

remind me what I said about thr King, Islam, or CoE

11:58 AM

@teestrypzSOG

ooh I see

11:58 AM

@teestrypzSOG

yea, still stupid

11:58 AM

@βρεττς

It’s powerful when you know you’re popular. You have to keep that power and check with your responsibility.

11:58 AM

@TheyRobb

HRE wad the military arm of The Church

11:59 AM

@OOOTLAM

@TheyRobb WW1 and WW2 was a "brother war" as White Nationalists would call it. It was the Teutons killing each other making the point that neither race nor Christianity can be your religion.

11:59 AM

@OOOTLAM

@teestrypzSOG You're saying SK is stupid because you couldn't see how it could happen. I am telling you how.

12:00 PM

@TheyRobb

Just because middle caste subjects dont know they are peasants doesn't mean they're aren't so

12:01 PM

@teestrypzSOG

the plan is to for the head of the CoE and King of England reverts to Islam. And that's suppose to make reverse my stupid comment?

12:01 PM

@OOOTLAM

@TheyRobb It is astonishing the Catholic Church is still around considering Rome fell in 476. The Catholic Church relies on unthinking Catholics who blindly follow the religion of their ancestors.

12:01 PM

@βρεττς

im complimentary

12:02 PM

@OOOTLAM

@teestrypzSOG If King Charles wants to go down in history, that is what he could be doing as the British monarch who founded the Islamic Republic of Britain.

12:02 PM

@βρεττς

It was a profound statement to hear men were not created equally. Otherwise I played quarterback instead of Tom Brady.

12:03 PM

@TheyRobb

Charlemagne's First Reich usurped the Roman legacy, as was the Ottomans, and now United States

12:03 PM

@OOOTLAM

@TheyRobb Are you aware of the verse in the Koran that warns people not to blindly follow the religion of their ancestors?

12:04 PM

@OOOTLAM

@TheyRobb Rum? Which verse?

12:04 PM

@SeekingGenuine

If they share the same “through line” the transition is easy

12:04 PM

@SeekingGenuine

But we look at particulars and not waves

12:05 PM

@OOOTLAM

As I keep saying, the Founding Fathers were proto-Muslim Noahides and heretical Christians whose constitutional republic ended Christendom in 1918.

12:07 PM

@stefaniecristos8514

Every new reveal reveals nothing new….

12:07 PM

@OOOTLAM

A constitutional monarchy does no one any good. A monarch only suffers to become a constitutional monarch because regicide is the alternative.

12:07 PM

@OOOTLAM

A Caliph is not a king. Dumb Muslims don't understand this either.

12:07 PM

@βρεττς

Some people have talent T. And respect respecting their better at something is love, isn’t it?

12:08 PM

@SeekingGenuine

I think democracy works…but not if the society gets too big and disconnected

12:08 PM

@OOOTLAM

@TheyRobb Surah 30 is called The Greeks in my edition.

12:09 PM

@OOOTLAM

@SeekingGenuine George Washington warned against political parties.

12:10 PM

@SeekingGenuine

@Claire and I agree it can be dangerous

12:12 PM

@OOOTLAM

Islam is an imperial religion. The Founding Fathers were closer to Islam than Christianity. The First Amendment is supported by 2:256 of the Koran.

12:13 PM

@OOOTLAM

Both Christianity and Islam are imperial religions. But what sane person wants to restore absolute monarchy?

12:14 PM

@OOOTLAM

America is guilty of malign encouragement by propping up the British monarchy and trying to foist a monarchy on the Iranians.

12:15 PM

@OOOTLAM

Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Absolute monarchy is absolutely corrupt.

12:15 PM

@SeekingGenuine

Claire, why not jump on for this conversation?

12:15 PM

@OOOTLAM

Tunji the Italian is from a republic. Does he want to restore the monarchy?

12:16 PM

@OOOTLAM

@SeekingGenuine I feel I can make my points more economically and clearly here!

12:16 PM

@βρεττς

I think we know it would be “is it morality the most important thing? “

12:17 PM

@OOOTLAM

If people accept that Christianity was only used to defend the divine right of kings, it has utterly failed to do defend absolute monarchy because Christendom ended in 1918.

12:17 PM

@βρεττς

Republic democracy Olsen lol

12:18 PM

@TheyRobb

Republic is Roman, Democracy is Greek

12:18 PM

@OOOTLAM

If Christianity cannot defend the absolute monarchs it was supposed to defend, think what it is going to to you, non-monarch!

12:19 PM

@βρεττς

People just don’t trust the populous anymore. Therefore they’re struggling whether they think any form of democracy is beneficial. That’s the lie.

12:19 PM

@OOOTLAM

Technocracies have been known to become extinct. It is religious groups that outlive ancient empires.

12:19 PM

@SeekingGenuine

Ship of fools! Go to the captain!

12:21 PM

@OOOTLAM

You cannot hold your rulers to account without a book of rules.

12:22 PM

@OOOTLAM

If only Christians would get over themselves and read the Koran to find out what they hate about it so much. I can only spoon feed you up to a point!

12:22 PM

@TheyRobb

the gentry is dead, a property deed is not synonymous with an allodial title

12:22 PM

@βρεττς

The constitution is the book of rules. But when people make it a living document that doesn’t mean what it actually says it gets confused.

12:23 PM

@βρεττς

We legislate morality

12:23 PM

@chrishoward8473

@OOOTLAM I've seen how Koran is employed. You're making an irrational claim that, should I read it I would come to a different end.

12:23 PM

@TheyRobb

legislature deals in ethics (state) not morality (church)

12:24 PM

@OOOTLAM

@βρεττς The law is only as good as its enforcers and interpreters in the judiciary. Morallity is key and no one is interested in defining this.

12:24 PM

@OOOTLAM

@chrishoward8473 The price of liberty is eternal vigilance.

12:24 PM

@βρεττς

What do you think legislators? Do you think they only do things through an ethical lens. When you’re a Christian nation primarily they’re going to bring morality into their legislative agenda.

12:25 PM

@SeekingGenuine

If you can’t speak with someone you disagree with, you are too zoomed in

12:25 PM

@TheyRobb

state is the realm of monarchs and church is the realm of bishops - ie jurisprudence of jurisdiction

12:25 PM

@OOOTLAM

@TheyRobb Ethics is higher than morality which is higher than legality.

12:25 PM

@TheyRobb

morality is derived from mythos, ethics comes from logos

12:25 PM

@OOOTLAM

Satan is rebellion from God.

12:26 PM

@SeekingGenuine

when YOU are too important, then you will miss the point of encountering love (sin)

12:26 PM

@williambranch4283

Tolerance is superiority to what is tolerated

12:26 PM

@OOOTLAM

Is idolatry Satanic? Of course it is. If Christianity is idolatry, then isn't Christianity Satanic?

12:27 PM

@TheyRobb

people conflate thevtwo terms for colloquial connotation yet they do not denote the same concept

12:27 PM

@SeekingGenuine

I don’t think tolerance is love, it can allow for love if in good faith

12:27 PM

@WhiteStoneName

How many hours until it starts?

12:28 PM

@OOOTLAM

We should tolerate what cannot be helped. People cannot help themselves from falling into sin, but we can certainly uphold the law.

12:28 PM

@TheyRobb

the Pentarchy evolved from the Tetrarchy

12:28 PM

@WhiteStoneName

I actually agree with that last one, Claire.

12:29 PM

@williambranch4283

The law is sin

12:29 PM

@WhiteStoneName

"Who decides what is best for someone?" (that isn't abstract)

12:29 PM

@OOOTLAM

Forget love, just concentrate on legality.

12:29 PM

@teestrypzSOG

I got a freebie ticket to help with the event, There's a pub meet up tonight but it starts proper tomoz

12:30 PM

@williambranch4283

Luke ... we know it is the assholes who impose their will on others

12:30 PM

@WhiteStoneName

They have to, at least some, in order to exist, Chad. As I see it.

12:30 PM

@williambranch4283

Chad ... with gnashing of teeth

12:30 PM

@SeekingGenuine

Is love something one does or something one is/participates within

12:30 PM

@OOOTLAM

We cannot love everyone, but we can agree on what the law should be, can't we, @chrishoward8473?

12:31 PM

@williambranch4283

My law not your law

12:31 PM

@OOOTLAM

@teestrypzSOG You want me to have the freebie?

12:32 PM

@OOOTLAM

@williambranch4283 God's laws are for everyone, aren't they?

12:31 PM

@williambranch4283

Yes seeking, participation is love, toleration involves no participation

12:32 PM

@SeekingGenuine

Because it feels like we are speaking as though it’s something we carry and drop like an object. Bit I think it’s more of a happening

12:32 PM

@TheyRobb

all dogs go to Valhalla

12:32 PM

@williambranch4283

G-d has no laws beyond raw power ... see Job

12:32 PM

@williambranch4283

Happening ... yes. Objects are materialism

12:33 PM

@OOOTLAM

@WhiteStoneName Thank you for agreeing, Luke. We just have to agree on minimum standards of morality ie the minimum of law for honest, reasonable and decent people.

12:38 PM

@WhiteStoneName

Belief is like love; it cannot be compelled; and as any attempt to compel love produces hate, so it is the attempt to compel belief which first produces real unbelief. - Shopenhauer

12:39 PM

@OOOTLAM

The matriarchy will always have the problem with women wanting to play Lady Bountiful.

12:40 PM

@OOOTLAM

I just want to make the point that we just have to agree on the MINIMUM STANDARDS OF MORALITY.

12:40 PM

@OOOTLAM

Talking about eating the things you love, Christians like to pretend that they eat the flesh of Jesus and drink his blood.

12:41 PM

@williambranch4283

Cannibalism is mandatory, Claire

12:41 PM

@SeekingGenuine

You can’t proposition your way through a transformative experience. And love and belief is transformative

12:41 PM

@williambranch4283

This is mentioned in the Pyramid Texts of Unas

12:42 PM

@βρεττς

Claire with no balance once again

12:43 PM

@WhiteStoneName

Indeed, Robb. Good observation. Or was it a criticism.

12:43 PM

@teestrypzSOG

I unironically love Claire

12:44 PM

@daringhobbit

the whole point of christianity is love, because God is love

12:44 PM

@teestrypzSOG

drinking the blood and eating the flesh of the son of god regularly causes some changes

12:44 PM

@βρεττς

Love God. That enables you to love others in perpetuity.

12:45 PM

@williambranch4283

Hospitable people must control their exposure ... ironic

12:45 PM

@SeekingGenuine

You can put them in timeout

12:45 PM

@williambranch4283

Parenting necessary, but adults can't be parented

12:46 PM

@βρεττς

Boy Olsen, that’s what you needed yesterday. A little Beastie Boys action. You gotta fight for your right to party.

12:46 PM

@williambranch4283

We do, it is called truancy

12:46 PM

@williambranch4283

We must all struggle to reach top of tyranny

12:47 PM

@βρεττς

We’ve all stated at Claire

12:47 PM

@alexluna_Meta-Evangelical

2 Peter 1: 2-4 this is a quick read but with a ton of meat on it’s bones. I often go back to this.

12:48 PM

@williambranch4283

Studiously apolitical ... Captain Planet Unite

12:50 PM

@williambranch4283

People are corrupt, there is no good solution

12:51 PM

@williambranch4283

Make everything legal, like Congress/Parliament does with itself

12:51 PM

@teestrypzSOG

Ryan, Claire's gonna hold you to that

12:53 PM

@williambranch4283

Christians don't even know when the Sabbath is ;-)

12:53 PM

@alexluna_Meta-Evangelical

The Sabbath is in Romans Ch 14

12:53 PM

@williambranch4283

Moses stubbed his toeses

12:54 PM

@stefaniecristos8514

There you go, Marc!

12:54 PM

@williambranch4283

Paul the Apostle was Jewish, not Roman, ironically

12:54 PM

@SeekingGenuine

I don’t trust words I trust people

12:55 PM

@williambranch4283

All Scripture, isn't history, they are interpretation already

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1:14:00 CLAIRE KHAW joins to say people should agree on the rules and let people to love and hate as they wish.

1:16:00 Good parenting

1:17:00 Dumb questions by Olson

1:21:00 I reject Olson's vagaries.

1:22:00 Choose a moral system

1:23:00 RYAN says God is love.

1:25:00 The Ten Commandments, Noahide laws and sharia

Saturday, 20 June 2026

On trolls