11:37 AM
@OOOTLAM
#2
AA is really the unofficial religion of the West. I can think of a better one if you want to avoid alcoholism in the first place.
11:38 AM
@alohm
done with artifice of most life - authenticity rules?
11:39 AM
@βρεττς
@Eolson-helper
11:39 AM
@OOOTLAM
#2
There are ads about husbands whose wives suddenly reject them in middle age to put this idea in the minds of women, presumably to undermine men by normalising this phenomenon.
11:40 AM
@OOOTLAM
#2
It is like free will.
11:41 AM
@OOOTLAM
#2
You are given the option of free will. Not all will opt to use it.
11:41 AM
@OOOTLAM
#2
I saw an ad on YouTube about an attractive middle aged man talking about his wife rejecting him. A course is offered to prevent or cure this.
11:42 AM
@OOOTLAM
#2
It sounds like the government wants couples to break up, feel suicidal and opt for the option of assisted suicide.
11:43 AM
@SeekingGenuine
#1
@chad Is she a parasite that will kill the host or a rare parasite that could become the hosts’ ally for future defenses. That’s the question
11:47 AM
@SeekingGenuine
#1
What you feed will grow
11:48 AM
@OOOTLAM
#3
Jehovah's Witnesses are told to avoid "worldliness".
11:48 AM
@Tunji-504
"New thought" is everywhere
11:48 AM
@βρεττς
Yeah, exactly new thought
11:49 AM
@OOOTLAM
#3
The Great Reset has the purpose of resetting the minds and beliefs of Westerners.
11:49 AM
@βρεττς
It’s funny how people take their own tradition and change it into something that sounds really nice
11:49 AM
@Tunji-504
Napoleon Hill type
11:49 AM
@βρεττς
New Age in the new body
11:50 AM
@SeekingGenuine
#1
As above so below
11:50 AM
@OOOTLAM
#3
Jordan Peterson was just trying to promote the use of facts and logic and social conservatism. They first used a fragile white man, now they are using a robust brown woman.
11:50 AM
@OOOTLAM
#3
We all know an alcoholic or two.
11:51 AM
@OOOTLAM
#3
AA is the American National Religion. Americans should try and get themselves a better one.
11:51 AM
@SeekingGenuine
#1
We are all addicts of the mind/our thoughts
11:51 AM
@βρεττς
It’s a great transition. Space.
11:52 AM
@OOOTLAM
#3
Jesus turned water into wine. Alcoholics doubtless wish they have the same ability.
11:52 AM
@OOOTLAM
#3
The lies we want to believe are sacred to us.
11:53 AM
@SeekingGenuine
#1
Your thoughts create matter
11:53 AM
@SeekingGenuine
#1
Makes things matter
11:54 AM
@OOOTLAM
#3
Can't we have something more sophisticated than this homely brown woman?
11:55 AM
@OOOTLAM
#3
No alpha male leadership for the beta males!
11:55 AM
@βρεττς
Exactly it’s a mixing match nowadays of beliefs
11:55 AM
@OOOTLAM
#3
Islam has been equated with natural law/logos/common sense/facts and logic.
11:56 AM
@βρεττς
Okey-dokey
11:57 AM
@OOOTLAM
#3
The US government could easily encourage a belief in God because it has already been said America is "one nation under God trusting in God". But it does not.
11:58 AM
@SeekingGenuine
#1
I think we ought people a new perspective through metaphor and storytelling, invite someone to come to their own consciousness/conclusions by a new portal of potential
11:58 AM
@βρεττς
It’s very Oprah
11:59 AM
@SeekingGenuine
#1
There is a lot of improper equivocation, and they must step back in their framing to get the full picture
11:59 AM
@OOOTLAM
#3
The US government should just adopt SK USA if it really wanted to regenerate the degenerates of the US. Instead, it wants to beat about the bush and drag its foot.
12:00 PM
@βρεττς
@MelissaDougherty does a lot with this because she came out of the new age movement, so she deep dives the ideology
12:00 PM
@OOOTLAM
#3
Hey guys, you lost Jordan Peterson, but have this brown woman in a T-shirt instead spouting a few home truths.
12:01 PM
@OOOTLAM
#3
WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE DIVINE BARGAIN BEING TRANSCTIONAL? WHAT??????!!!!!
12:02 PM
@OOOTLAM
#3
Are you people so self-abnegating that you are saying "I don't even expect to go to heaven"?
12:02 PM
@βρεττς
It’s not what most of us believe Claire.
12:03 PM
@OOOTLAM
#3
@βρεττς God knows what you believe in.
12:03 PM
@βρεττς
Yep
12:03 PM
@OOOTLAM
#3
And since you don't expect to go to heaven, you behave like atheists. Gotcha.
12:04 PM
@βρεττς
Working hopefully to build even more here too
12:05 PM
@OOOTLAM
#3
@βρεττς Working at what?
12:05 PM
@βρεττς
I would love to kick it with you IRL
12:05 PM
@OOOTLAM
#3
WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE DIVINE BARGAIN?
12:06 PM
@OOOTLAM
#3
@βρεττς My ideas are an open book. In fact, they are in a book available on Amazon.
12:07 PM
@OOOTLAM
#3
Is Tunji a Pentecostalist?
12:07 PM
@SeekingGenuine
#1
What makes you question these ideas, Chad? Do you feel you are being unintentional in your relations? Are there expectations of feelings or experience you think you ought have? Care to delve deeper?
12:09 PM
@Tunji-504
I am Italian @Claire
12:09 PM
@βρεττς
I still love my bad friends, even if they don’t act the way I would wish
12:09 PM
@βρεττς
The bargain framework fundamentally misconstrues both the nature of sin and the character of divine-human relationship, reducing what should be personal and covenantal to a transactional exchange.
12:09 PM
@SeekingGenuine
#1
We all are capable and likely have been the “bad friend” at one time or another
12:10 PM
@OOOTLAM
#3
@Tunji-504 You said you are a Christian missionary in Norway. Isn't Norway already Christian?
12:10 PM
@βρεττς
Bee knowns
12:11 PM
@OOOTLAM
#3
Jews have a proper system of repentance: a four stage process.
12:11 PM
@Tunji-504
We prepare and send missionaries from Norway
12:11 PM
@OOOTLAM
#3
@Tunji-504 You're not Catholic, are you?
12:13 PM
@OOOTLAM
#3
I assume all Italians are Catholic if they are Christian at all.
12:14 PM
@OOOTLAM
#3
Shouldn't we look at the divine bargain to see which religion is most likely to get us to heaven, if we believe in that sort of thing?
12:14 PM
@βρεττς
And the pendulum swings
12:14 PM
@OOOTLAM
#3
I can never remember what a universalist is.
12:15 PM
@βρεττς
That’s what happens when you believe in God’s sovereignty
12:17 PM
@OOOTLAM
#3
Chad seems rather troubled. Again.
12:17 PM
@βρεττς
Romans❤
12:18 PM
@OOOTLAM
#3
I think you would all feel happier if you had a better idea of the minimum pass mark to get to heaven.
12:19 PM
@OOOTLAM
#3
Not knowing if you are even following the rules correctly would cause feelings of anxiety and rage.
12:20 PM
@βρεττς
That’s what mankind has always seeks
12:20 PM
@anselman3156
You only get to enter heaven once you have been made perfect
12:20 PM
@OOOTLAM
#3
Brett just assumes he is going to pass with flying colours.
12:21 PM
@SeekingGenuine
#1
I would write a rec for Brett if God is taking them
12:21 PM
@OOOTLAM
#3
"Oh, I don't even expect to go to heaven!" say Scott and Brett! What is the point then?
12:21 PM
@βρεττς
Then we’re never getting in
12:22 PM
@βρεττς
No, I just have assurance in my salvation
12:22 PM
@OOOTLAM
#3
@βρεττς How would you know?
12:22 PM
@OOOTLAM
#3
Is a universalist someone who assumes everyone will get to heaven?
12:22 PM
@βρεττς
I fear the Lord, believe what he says, I don’t think you fear anything Claire
12:23 PM
@anselman3156
Heaven is for those who have perfect love of God and you don't have that if you still have ay sinful inclination
12:23 PM
@OOOTLAM
#3
Christiainty is a religion of extremism.
12:23 PM
@alohm
you all are on a marathon...
12:23 PM
@βρεττς
And do you think you can attain that in the here and now before Christ second coming?
12:24 PM
@alohm
I am surprised at what you engage with, and others not?
12:25 PM
@anselman3156
Moral perfection is possible in this life. That means no voluntary transgression. That doesn't mean no mental or physical imperfection
12:25 PM
@alohm
Why can we not embody that love? Because we do not believe we can. Moon shot goals. Four minute mile.
12:26 PM
@anselman3156
One may keep from sin but yet be forgetful or misunderstand things etc
12:27 PM
@anselman3156
You can have limited knowledge and understanding of people and things ie imperfection, but you can keep from voluntary transgresions
12:28 PM
@anselman3156
You can have imperfect communication but no sinful intention
12:28 PM
@chrishoward8473
How to maintain lifelong relationships
12:29 PM
@anselman3156
I suggest reading John Wesley's discussion of what Christian perfection means
12:29 PM
@SeekingGenuine
#1
interesting idea, Chad. We aren’t in community and community is what allows for longitudinal relations with change. Without community we make faux longitudinal change by swapping to new relationship
12:30 PM
@OOOTLAM
#3
@chrishoward8473 Have stable marriages and stable families and demanding that our governments support this with sharia!
12:32 PM
@βρεττς
When they’re just asking a question for the sake of asking a question
12:32 PM
@OOOTLAM
@chrishoward8473 Why do you get angry with me when I say all the five world religions were created to support the institution of marriage? We see what happens to our societies when we stop doing that.
12:33 PM
@williambranch4283
Chris ... lifelong relationships don't simply happen. Work an family relationships are constantly changing. It takes profound stubborn commitment, like a marriage ;-)
12:33 PM
@SeekingGenuine
#1
It’s as though they tee you up, draw you in, engage you to be vulnerable… to be attacked later
12:33 PM
@OOOTLAM
AI is a drug and a behavioural addiction.
12:34 PM
@williambranch4283
Claire ... agree, the old purpose of human beings is unchanging. Mariiage was invented to support and protect women and children.
12:34 PM
@OOOTLAM
The AI says "Will there be anything else?" after doing what you asked it to do.
12:34 PM
@OOOTLAM
There are some disturbing videos for AI therapy too.
12:34 PM
@anselman3156
It's good to have Ups's analysis
12:35 PM
@OOOTLAM
@SeekingGenuine AI is just getting you to pour your heart out to it. It is no different to being forced to go to Confession every week.
12:35 PM
@OOOTLAM
@williambranch4283 And give married fathers status.
12:36 PM
@SeekingGenuine
#1
Evil needs good to vampircally live off of
12:38 PM
@SeekingGenuine
#1
Would you say modern women often speak the same language as LLM?
12:38 PM
@OOOTLAM
The matriarchy is trying to disable us from politically organising by filling us with behavioural addictions.
12:39 PM
@OOOTLAM
The late Isaac Asimov already deals with these robot AI scenarios in his Robot novels.
12:39 PM
@Tunji-504
yes, and vice-versa
12:40 PM
@OOOTLAM
#3
@SeekingGenuine Haha
12:40 PM
@OOOTLAM
#3
AI is part of the depopulation agenda.
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53:00 CLAIRE KHAW joins to discuss the pass mark for getting to heaven and not feel guilty if we are not full of love for our loved ones, friends, neighbours or enemies as long as we do not do to them what is forbidden.
54:00 Chad talks about unstable relationships.
