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Thursday, 14 May 2026

Refusal of Vincent Bruno to gather evidence in support of his claim that his kind of parenting ie gay and polygamous parenting is better than traditional married parenting

2:00  Space begins.

3:00  Vincent refuses to ask after the son of this gay father he has known for 20 years is doing and thinks he requires a statistician!

4:00  Grade Point Average

5:00  Columbia Study

6:00  Not testing his theory

Seven years ago

8:00  Surrogacy

9:00  Exhibitionism

11:00  You are more likely to be a married parent if your parents were married parents. 

12:00  Statisticians

13:00  The product of a gay father

15:00  Alternative to surrogacy

16:00   Gay resort

DR DARIA joins.

17:00  Turkey baster

Gay holiday resort

21:00  Back in the closet

22:00  Married gay men

23:00  Why was Vincent the only gay man at the Fort Lauderdale gay resort who did not have offspring?

24:00  Gay men married to women

25:00  Lies and Natty

Natty's grandfather was an anarchist, not a musician. 

26:00  Communism

27:00  Maintenance person fixing the fan

28:00  Private property, God's laws and norms

29:00  Vincent asking about the son of gay father

30:00  GPA

31:00  Child abuse

Mother of the child

32:00  TIM joins.

College professor

33:00  Woman in her 20s

36:00  "Wife or whatever she was"

36:00  Artificial insemination

37:00  "They're going to think I am weird!"

Penetrating question

39:00  "She was over 18."

40:00  "He took care of her."

41:00  Student mother

42:00  Baptised

Hasn't spoken to him in 7 years

43:00  "Espionage"

44:00  "He treated her like a wife."

Not kidnapped

45:00  Not homeless

Columbia Study

46:00  Not showing an interest

"Paedophiles"

47:00  18

[Shriek]

1:00  Summary of previous stream

2:00  Flabbergasted

3:00  Vincent knew so little about the boy.

4:00  Gay adoption heralded by New Labour 

5:00  Gay holiday

6:00  TIM joins to report Vincent's message.

7:00  Vincent refuses to collate evidence  to support his "eugenic" theories.

8:00  Vincent is more aggressive and hysterical these days. 

Secular Koranism

10:00  Vincent point black refuses to contact his gay father friend. 

11:00  Tommy Robinson Rally

UK Tommy Robinson Rally

12:00  A million people there

15:00  Andrew Bridgen

1:00  Space begins with Vincent complaining about the three of  us.

3:00  "Sick to my stomach" 

4:00  Urdu

6:00   In shock

7:00   Age of boy

9:00  Met 5/6  times over 20 years

10:00  SIGMA joins.

21:00  Gay surrogacy

24:00  DON joins.

31:00  "Horrid and disgusting"

36:00  "Amazing drama"

37:00  Pakistani culture

41:00  Normal conversation

42:00  Tim and Dr Dariya

43:00  Anti-gay

44:00  "Borderline paedophilia"


VB  to  CK

Im very upset where you led the space today

CK to VB

Yes, I understand. 

I’m taken aback that you are accusing Daria, Tim and I of being “paedophiles” just for asking you for evidence of the viability of your “gay eugenics”.

You were implying that we were inciting you to commit a sexual offence when all we asked for was basic information about the son of the only gay father you knew!

Obviously, the son would pass the test if you found him attractive while he would only pass our test if we thought he is marriageable. 

To pass our test, he would have to be heterosexual, marriageable and not be a NEET. 

We are not forcing you to go and meet him and find him attractive, just give us the most basic information about him, and you had a meltdown!

My test is that he would have to produce legitimate offspring who would be a credit to his parents, but you have a lower standard. You would only have to find him attractive as a gay man. 

We both know that we don’t have the same definition of eugenics.

I define eugenic as marriageable ie capable of getting married in order to produce legitimate offspring.

Your definition is “capable of being attractive to a gay man”.

You had to pretend that we were inciting you to commit a sexual offence when all we want is some basic information that would enable both parties to decide whether he fulfilled either of our criteria

You point blank refused to even obtain any information about the boy to test your theory. You won’t even find out how old he is ie over 17 or how he was parented or conceived.

You were basically admitting that you were not prepared to obtain the bare minimum of information even to test your own theory!

My ideal is that women of childbearing age marry men of fighting age. 

Presumably, your ideal is that gay fathers produce male offspring that would be found attractive by other gay men. 

Your criterion sounds much "creepier" than mine.

There’s just no way that your method is going to produce more marriageable offspring than the traditional method.

Your hysterical reaction to our mere suggestion that you investigate whether your claim is arguably true ie that gay eugenics works ie that a gay father has produced a son that satisfies either of our minimum standards of eugenics means that you already know that it doesn’t.

You have basically admitted that you refuse to test your idea which means you admit that your arguments have been defeated.

So just admit it and move on to SK USA where all the premises are true and all the arguments are sound.

It’s time to grow up and help your fellow Americans become married parents without having to do it yourself.

And stop being a sore loser!


DR DARIYA M KHAN 

I have known @RealVinBruno  for many years. We have had many debates, disagreements, and heated discussions over time. Disagreement itself has never been the issue.

What happened last night was something entirely different.

I entered the space and was immediately subjected to a relentless and deeply personal attack. Rather than engage with the substance of the discussion, Vincent became aggressive, hostile, and increasingly unrestrained. There were repeated insults, ad hominem attacks, foul language obscene insinuations, and attempts to construct bizarre fictional scenarios about my character and even hypothetical future children in order to morally discredit me.

Anyone who listens to the recording will hear the contrast clearly. Throughout the exchange, I remained composed, polite, and measured. I repeatedly attempted to clarify the discussion and keep it focused on evidence and principles. Vincent, meanwhile, appeared emotionally volatile and unable to maintain a calm or rational tone.

At no point did anyone encourage criminal conduct, predatory behavior, or anything inappropriate involving minors. That accusation is absurd and completely unsupported by what was actually said. The discussion was about evidence and outcomes regarding claims he himself introduced concerning non-heterosexual parenting and so-called “gay eugenics.”

Vincent repeatedly advanced broad theoretical assertions while refusing even the most basic attempt to explain how those claimsu could ever be meaningfully evaluated in reality. He insists that studies and evidence are required, yet simultaneously refuses even basic real-world observation when examples are directly available to him. That contradiction was the core issue being discussed.

He himself introduced the example of a gay father raising a biological son. The obvious follow-up question was whether the outcome of that parenting arrangement could be evaluated in any meaningful way. That is not “disgusting”; it is the natural consequence of making empirical claims and then being asked for empirical evidence.

His attempt to transform this into an accusation about “collecting data on a child” is rhetorical inflation. Nobody asked him to harass, exploit, or investigate a minor. The point was much simpler: if he personally knows a gay father whose son is now grown or near adulthood, then that example is more relevant than endlessly demanding some hypothetical institutional study while simultaneously refusing to examine real-world cases already available to him.

He also shifts positions throughout his statement. At one moment he says he did not know the age of the son “seven years ago”; at another he insists everyone should have interpreted that uncertainty exactly the way he intended. But even by his own account, the uncertainty about age was openly acknowledged during the discussion. That completely undermines the idea that anyone was intentionally encouraging wrongdoing.

More importantly, his outrage obscures the central issue: he advocates a theory about reproductive and social outcomes while refusing to define clear criteria for success or failure beyond abstractions. When pressed, his framework ultimately reduces outcomes to traits such as intelligence, attractiveness, functionality, and social competence. If those are the standards by which he evaluates heterosexual parenting outcomes, then logically they would also apply to homosexual parenting outcomes. Refusing to examine any concrete example while continuing to defend the theory simply makes the theory unfalsifiable.

He cannot simultaneously:

 

1. Claim homosexual parenting could produce superior outcomes,

2. Demand evidence standards nobody currently possesses,

3. Reject anecdotal or observable cases outright,

4. And accuse critics of moral depravity for asking how his claims could be tested.


That is not a serious evidentiary standard; it is a rhetorical escape hatch.

The irony is that nobody treated the example with the emotional panic he is now projecting onto it. The discomfort appears to come from his own interpretation of what evaluating the son would imply.

Observing whether someone became intelligent, functional, healthy, attractive, socially competent, or successful is not inherently sexual. He is the one reframing ordinary outcome evaluation into something sinister because he could not defend the inconsistency in his own position.

What stood out most during the exchange was not intellectual seriousness, but the level of anger and instability he displayed. The reaction came across less like reasoned disagreement and more like someone spiraling emotionally in public. Frankly, he seems to need anger management, serious self-reflection, or some form of personal intervention before engaging in discussions of this nature again.

I will also say this carefully: his conduct did not resemble sober, disciplined debate. The aggression, volatility, inability to regulate himself, and repeated emotional outbursts led many listeners to question whether alcohol may have been influencing his behavior. Whether that is true or not, the performance reflected someone deeply lacking in self-control.

Ultimately, the recording speaks for itself. One side remained calm and focused on argumentation. The other relied on insults, emotional outbursts, fabricated implications, moral smears, increasingly hysterical accusations to avoid defending the substance of his own claims.

Explaining the nature and purpose of Secular Koranism to @HelpfulAhmadi in restoring the patriarchy


1:00  Happiness
Matriarchy
2:00  Subjective ideas of happiness
3:00  Presuppositions
Good government
4:00  Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs
5:00  Incels
6:00  Hierarchy in patriarchy
Cult of youth and beauty
7:00  Sex and drugs and rock and roll
Matriarchy
8:00  Lowered in status
9:00  Privileging married parents over non-parents and treating unmarried parents as sex offenders
10:00  A rules based society
11:00  Knowing our place
12:00  Meritocracy
13:00  Social mobility
14:00  Military
15:00  Caste system
16:00  Divisiveness of caste system
17:00  Gangsters live fast and die young
18:00  Malign encouragement of the matriarchy
19:00  MAID - Medical Assistance In Dying
Degeneracy
20:00  Most Christians are liberal.
22:00  Hindu Caste System
23:00  A viable society needs its own working class.
24:00  Immigration
25:00  Objective Ethics
26:00  WW2
27:00  Married parents are the best people to rear the next generation.
28:00  CHAVs
29:00  Unmarried parents are now the majority of parents in the West.
Military
30:00  Matriarchy
31:00  The Dissident Right
32:00  Religious groups
33:00  God is above humanity.

Western politicians courting mosque elders

35:00  Leaderless groups include Jews
36:00  Chief rabbis are not trusted by Jews because this position is a feature of gentile imperial domination. 

37:00  Governance and accountable leadership
Ahmadi Caliph
38:00  Muslim mayors
39:00  Official leaders
40:00  King Charles has fewer rights than the average US citizen.

Christianity is being weaponised. 

42:00  The British do not really have a leader.

Americans do not have an established religion. Secular Koranism is only a legal system. 

43:00  Secular Koranism should be moral system. 
44:00  Our political leaders should be principled ie have moral principles.
45:00  Law abiding citizen > criminal
46:00  Ethics > morals > law
47:00  No sex offenders in government.
48:00  Members of the group knowing what the rules are helps the group police rule compliance. 
49:00  US voters don't care about foreign policy.
50:00  Secular Koranism
51:00  Most Muslims don't know that quran.com/2/256 supports the First Amendment.  
52:00  George Washington warned Americans against the sectarianism forbidden in the Koran.  

AI Overview

The Quran explicitly forbids dividing religion into sects, identifying such actions as a severe deviation from true faith. It commands unity and instructs Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) to dissociate from those who create factions, stating that true Muslims are defined by their submission, not sectarian labels. 

Key Quranic Verses Against Sectarianism
Surah Al-An'am (6:159): "Indeed, those who have divided their religion and become sects—you, [O Muhammad], are not [associated] with them in anything. Their affair is only left to Allah; then He will inform them about what they used to do".
Surah Ar-Rum (30:31-32): Warns against being among those who split their religion into sects, "each faction rejoicing in what it has".
Surah Al-Mu'minun (23:52-54): Highlights the "single brotherhood" and condemns breaking the religion into sects.
Surah Al-Imran (3:103): Commands Muslims to hold fast to the rope of Allah and not be divided. 

Core Principles
Disassociation: The Quran states that forming sects is an act of disobedience that distances a community from God.
Universal Identity: The Quran calls believers simply "Muslims" (22:78), which transcends sectarian labels like Sunni or Shia.
Prohibition of Factions: Sectarian behavior is characterized by arrogance and fragmentation, which the Quran condemns, urging that all matters be returned to the Quran and authentic teachings. 

Scholars emphasize that while schools of law (Madhhab) exist, "sectarianism" that breaks the unity of the community is forbidden. 
53:00  Enforcing the law of Secular Koranism

55:00  Secular Koranism is an intermediate stage.

56:00  Anjem Choudary

AI Overview

In Arabic, Sharia (شريعة) literally means "the clear, well-trodden path to water" or "a path to a watering place". Metaphorically, it refers to a "way" or "path" to be followed, representing the divine, moral, and ethical framework that guides Muslims in all aspects of life according to God's will. 

Key Aspects of the Meaning:
Literal Meaning: The phrase evokes the crucial image of a path leading to a water source in a desert, symbolizing a life-giving source.
Context: It is derived from the Arabic root š-r-ʕ, often denoting a path or road.
Religious Significance: In Islam, it is not merely a legal code but a comprehensive way of life that includes moral, ethical, and spiritual guidelines (prayers, charity, and daily conduct).
Source: It is derived from the Quran and the Sunnah (practices of Prophet Muhammad).
Distinction from Fiqh: While Sharia is seen as divine and unchanging, the human interpretation and application of these principles, known as fiqh, can change. 

57:00  Objective Ethics
58:00  LGBT lowers the birth rate.
59:00  Supply of labour
1:03:00  In that camp but disliking the label.
1:04:00  Higher probability of solving problems with facts and logic in a matriarchy than a matriarchy. 


1:07:00  Convictioneless cunts
1:08:00  Convictionless cunts prefer their own emotions and opinions to facts and logic.
1:09:00  If you join a religious group, you will  be expected to subscribe to a package of beliefs. 

True believers > free riders

1:11:00  Vested interests
1:12:00  The middle classes are better at dancing around words and engaging in avoidance and denial for social reasons. 

1:13:00  Long held beliefs
1:15:00  Facts and logic


1:16:00  Posterity

I am hinged to Truth, Logic and  Morality.

1:17:00  Having a leader
1:18:00  American Christians
1:19:00  Shaming people who won't support patriarchy
1:20:00  European > Native American
1:21:00  Belief in God helped European settlers in America.
1:22:00  Error and inferiority
1:23:00  Prostrations and humility assist quicker acceptance of correction.

"Church OF England as Newbigin Battleground 40 years later: Angela Tilby and Tom Holland"


27:00  Liberals have no boundaries.

33:00  Does anyone even know that the official moral system of America is?

39:00  The Pope's Latin title is Pontifex. Before Rome was Christianised, the Chief Priest of Rome was called Pontifex Maximus. The Emperor had that title, rather like the British monarch also being the Supreme Governor of the Church of England. One of the titles Julius Caesar had was the title of Pontifex Maximus. There is however an issue with separation of powers which the Hasmonean Dynasty discovered to their cost.

39:45  There should be a moral test for our ruling classes. 

41:00  PVK cannot talk about Muslims without equating them to filicide for Islamophobic reasons.  

Actually, Muslims are forbidden to kill each other, though you like to pretend that honour killing is prescribed by the Koran. Actually, it is the the Book of Deuteronomy that prescribes the honour kililng of drunk and disobedient sons and is part of the Christian Holy Bible. I pointed this out last Friday, but I know you have to keep repeating these tropes every time you mention Muslims because it is part of your shtick. Muslims, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, honour killing and, sotto voce, "We don't want them here, do we, boys and girls?" But it  is part of your business model to bomb the shit out of Muslim countries, traffic them over as cheap labour and then complain about them and their shithole countries that you bomb the crap out of. 

Provocation is a partial defence to murder.  

Men who murdered their female sex partners caught in the act could use crime passionel as a mitigating factor. These days, because women not your wives are prepared to have sex with you are a dime a dozen, men would just move on to the next floozie without feeling the urge to murder her as their fathers and grandfathers might have felt. 

Is it even true that Muslims are more likely to commit filicide than non-Muslims?

The children most vulnerable to filicide would be the illegitimate offspring of unmarried mothers rearing them in fatherless homes. I remember trying to discuss this with you and you pulling your Coastal Elite shtick on me with "We are not the kind of people who discuss that kind of thing!"

If you categorise infanticide and abortion as a category of homicide, then white non-Muslim cultural Christians are probably the group most likely to kill their children.

BRAVE AI

In the Netherlands, filicide (the killing of a child by a parent) is a rare occurrence, averaging 8 to 9 cases per year historically, though trends have fluctuated over recent decades.  Research indicates a steady increase in filicide rates from the early 1990s to a peak during 2007–2011, followed by a significant drop between 2012 and 2016, with only two recorded cases in 2016. 

Key characteristics and trends include:

Causes and Motives: Most filicides in the Netherlands are the result of physical abuse leading to the child’s death, distinct from other European countries where strangulation or suffocation may be more common. 

Contributing Factors: The rise in filicide during the late 2000s is speculated to be linked to economic strain and unemployment following the financial crisis, although researchers emphasize that such broad explanations should be viewed with skepticism due to the low sample sizes. 

Recent Statistics: According to Statistics Netherlands (CBS), in the period 2018–2022, 32 children under the age of 10 were murdered, with 88% killed by their own father or mother.  In the same period, 41 children and young adults aged 10–20 were killed. 

Prevention and Research: Due to the infrequency and multifactorial nature of these crimes, predictive models are difficult to establish. Studies utilize the European Homicide Monitor (EHM) to compare Dutch filicide with data from countries like Sweden and Finland, where declines have been attributed to factors such as increased antidepressant prescription or urbanization. 

49:00  On the anointing of British monarchs, I trust PVK and his viewers will find https://www.kcl.ac.uk/consecration-of-the-new-king-what-is-anointing

It is not quite being basted like a turkey as I once supposed, and Elizabeth I had some interesting things to say about the oil!

49:30  To this question my response is another question: Do we really think Constantine the Great Christianised Rome for fun? Do we really think the Romans literally believed in their imperial cult ie that emperors turned into gods upon death? Constantine knew that nobody believed in the old imperial cult  - certainly none of the Roman generals who fought each other to be emperor in the Year of the Four Emperors, the Year of the Five Emperors  and the Year of the Six Emperors. 

Therefore the answer is that we do need to believe in it or at least be expected to believe in it or pretend we believe in it even as virtue signalling hypocrites. It would help if it was easy to believe with a long track record of success eg the Abrahamic God since it has been said that Jews and their religion are arguably evidence of God. Why else would they still be around if God did not exist to protect the most hated people with the most restrictive religion on earth?

56:00  Should the monarchy be abolished, the British monarch could, if he chose, be his own Archbishop of Canterbury but only after the disestablishment of the Church of England. The whole point of Christianity was to defend the divine right of kings, as I keep repeating, though no one ever seems to understand. If you accept this historical fact, you would have to accept that Christianity became an anachronism the moment Christendom ended in 1918, though I am not sure how many people actually understand this when I say it. America can never be part of Christendom because it is a republic. Christendom is a portmanteau word referring to a Europe of Christian kingdoms. 

1:09:00  The Lords Temporal and Spiritual were probably what you were reaching out for.

Wednesday, 13 May 2026

"The Blessing for the Righteous"


7:18 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
​#2
​Can anyone define righteous?

7:19 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
​Cherki doesn't speak English.

7:19 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
​Hazony is an American stooge.

7:21 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
​Righteous Jews and righteous gentiles would care about the stench of Christian idolatry.

7:22 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
​Jews and gentiles who keep sweeping the idolatry of Christianity and ignoring its stench would not be considered righteous.

7:23 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
​Reform Jews are heretical Jews. That is not made clear enough even to Jews.

7:24 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
​Even the most moronic Christian can understand that it is idolatry to worship a man. The problem is that Jews and Muslims have not dared to RAM HOME THAT POINT.

7:26 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
​There is no need to have these tedious readings. You just have to ask each other whether Jews and Muslims have a duty to tell idolaters that it is idolatry to worship a man.

7:30 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
​Tovia Singer talked about the "stench of Christianity" in his video on Maimonides yesterday at 12:00. Viva Tovia!

7:31 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
​Do the curses for disobedience in Deuteronomy 28 also apply to gentiles who worship Jesus as the co-equal of God who created the universe?

7:32 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
​Israeli soldiers mocking a statue of Mary is neither here nor there. What is required is a formal letter to the Pope, Archbishop of Canterbury or King Charles asking how Christianity is not idolatry

7:34 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
​Only Jews and gentiles who care to discuss the Noahide laws could be called righteous. The first and second Noahide laws echo the first and second Commandments.

7:35 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
​To be righteous is to be principled. To be principled is to care about the principle of obeying the supreme and eternal Abrahamic God who forbade idolatry and blasphemy.

7:36 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
​It is the easiest thing to accuse Christians of hypocrisy when they refuse to discuss the Trinity. I suspect PVK is an atheist, just like Jordan Peterson. Did you hear him talk about God No 1 and 2??

7:38 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
​Christianity in America is just a business model. Where did I get that idea? PVK. He actually said that himself. Jesus is just a brand snake oil salesmen use to sell their snake oil.

7:38 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
​Israel being a secular state is just an American colony. Hashem would hardly approve of liberal democracy, would He?

7:39 PM
@almondtree
#3
​Was Solomon zedek?

7:39 PM
@almondtree
#3
​King of righteousness, king of peace

7:39 PM
@almondtree
#3
​King of Jerusalem

7:39 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
​Solomon died an idolater.

7:40 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
​1 Kings 11:4 states that as Solomon grew old, his foreign wives turned his heart after other gods, and his heart was not fully devoted to the Lord.

7:41 PM
@almondtree
#3
​Wait what? Is this in the Koran?

7:41 PM
@almondtree
#3
​Oh yeah but I dunno if he died that way he may have repented from his pimp lifestyle

7:42 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
​Unlike in the Bible, according to Muslim tradition Solomon never participated in idolatry.

7:43 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
​It is interesting that Jews reject the Koran's sanitised version of their prophets and so do Christians.

7:44 PM
@almondtree
#3
​That is strange. Do you think Islam emphasizes righteousness more than Judaism and Christianity?

7:44 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
​Jews and Christians are more interested in remaining Jews and Christians even if it means risking their olam haba, suggesting that they do not really believe in the afterlife.

7:45 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
​If Jews and Christians really believed in the afterlife, they would be more anxious to be in good standing with God in the afterlife than hanging out with other Hell-bound people in their lifetimes.

7:46 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
​@almondtree What is strange?

7:46 PM
@almondtree
​#3
​I mean interesting, not strange

7:47 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
​#2
​@almondtree By righteousness, I just mean following the principles one claims to have.

7:47 PM
@almondtree
​#3
​That’s why I hang with you Claire

7:48 PM
@almondtree
​#3
​Hellbound Christian hanging with a secular Koranist 😉

7:48 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
​#2
​The point I am making is that it is easier to get to heaven using the Koran than the Bible. The Koran actually describes Heaven while the Bible is silent.

7:49 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
​#2
​@almondtree All the Abrahamic faiths say redemption is possible in this life.

7:49 PM
@almondtree
​#3
​I need to read the Koran at some point. It would probably be very good for me

7:49 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
​#2
​@almondtree Thank you for hanging with me!

7:50 PM
@almondtree
​#3
​Don’t care about us Chezi. Unless you gonna mention Melchizedek.

7:50 PM
@almondtree
​#3
​I mean. Care about Claire’s comments, not mine

7:50 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
​#2
​There is no mention of the afterlife in the Torah, is there?

7:51 PM
@almondtree
​#3
​Just Sheol, as far as I know.

7:55 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
​#2
​@almondtree That's not enough to punish evil and reward good measure for measure, is it? The Koran has the most morally satisfying narrative, but what would Islamophobes care about their afterlife?

7:55 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
​#2
​Sheol is the underworld place of stillness and darkness which is death. That would be annihilationism. Not that scary, is it?

7:56 PM
@almondtree
​#3
​Yes I am the ghost that summons Jess

7:56 PM
@almondtree
​#3
​I present him with offerings of onions

7:57 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
​#2
​According to the 11th Principle of Judaism, God rewards the righteous and punishes the wicked, measure for measure.

7:58 PM
@almondtree
​#3
​Yeah I don’t know if Sheol has a punishment for evil. There are passages that suggest it does. Like Isaiah 14 and some places in Ezekiel

7:58 PM
@almondtree
​#3
​But Ecclesiastes seems to suggest that the same thing happens to the evil and the good

7:59 PM
@sunrhyze
#1
​@OfficialSecularKoranism my question would be what does measure for measure mean? In Judaism, an eye for an eye doesn't mean you literally remove the offender's eye

8:00 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
​#2
​The Quran describes Heaven (Jannah) as an eternal garden of bliss for believers and righteous individuals, featuring rivers, lush vegetation, and spiritual closeness to God.

8:00 PM
@almondtree
​#3
​But who can really prove any of it? Does the Koran prove an afterlife? Or do we just read it and take it on faith?

8:00 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
​#2
​Hell (Jahannam) is depicted as a place of torment for wrongdoers and disbelievers.

8:00 PM
@almondtree
​#3
​Yeah there is a Tophet mentioned in Isaiah that sounds like torment

8:00 PM
@almondtree
#3
​Or suggests

8:00 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
​@sunrhyze The eye for an eye principle is just an argument for proportionality.

8:01 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
​#2
​@almondtree If you don't believe in the afterlife where good will be rewarded and evil punished, then you might as well be atheist.

8:02 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
​#2
​We are all supposed to have an immortal soul whether we want it or not.

8:03 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
​#2
​I think Chezi should deal with the points raised in the chat.

8:04 PM
@sunrhyze
​#1
​Someone said we're souls who have bodies, not bodies who have souls. Maybe it was Chezi

8:06 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
​#2
​@sunrhyze Our immortal soul - if that is indeed what we have - has the purpose of conveying us to our afterlife. Think of it as a conveyance.

8:07 PM
@almondtree
​#3
​I don’t know if I can convey my thoughts in this chat correctly. But I don’t know what suggest an afterlife or where this idea first came about. Is it through things like future and memory?

8:08 PM
@almondtree
​#3
​Like do our” souls” project us into a future we can imagine, or recall things that have passed on to our present self?

8:08 PM
@almondtree
​#3
​I don't know if that makes sense.

8:10 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
​#2
​@almondtree If all good will be rewarded and all evil punished, two categories of existence have to be created so that good can be rewarded and evil punished in the afterlife.

8:11 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
​@almondtree All that we need to understand is that good will be rewarded and evil punished, measure for measure, if the Abrahamic God exists. Heaven is the best place imaginable, hell the worst.

8:12 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
​@almondtree What doesn't make sense?

8:13 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
​#2
​The Talmud is just the speculation and imaginings of rabbis over the centuries, not the Word of God or His promises.

8:13 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
​#2
​Annihiliationism just means that when you're dead you're dead.

8:14 PM
@almondtree
​#3
​Yeah, that makes sense. But what if you’re somewhat of an agnostic, and you claim that you don’t really know. Do you just take this idea of rewards on faith?

8:15 PM
@almondtree
​#3
​Like, I just don’t know why, ultimately, I would know that I know and afterlife is real, and good and evil would be rewarded, other than the fact that my parents told me. Or the Bible told me.

8:15 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
​#2
​@almondtree The purpose of these categories is to create places where good will be rewarded and evil punished.

8:15 PM
@almondtree
#3
​Which is good enough. But I don’t know where their father‘s father’s got that idea from From. Because who’s really gone to see the afterlife and come back?

8:16 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
​@almondtree That is where faith comes in. The idea that good will be rewarded and evil punished in this life and the next by a benign deity is to encourage us to do the right thing.

8:16 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
​@almondtree Don't we all want good to be rewarded and evil punished?

8:16 PM
@almondtree
#3
​I see the utility and having these categories, Claire. maybe that’s good enough. Or maybe the utilities of those categories suggest the absolute truth and reality of them.

8:17 PM
@almondtree
#3
​Yes

8:17 PM
@almondtree
​#3
​We do

8:17 PM
@almondtree
​#3
​Unless we’re truly evil. Then maybe we don’t.

8:18 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
​@almondtree Either the Abrahamic God actually exists, or He was created by Man to satisfy our desire for good to be rewarded and evil punished in this life and the next.

8:18 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
​#2
​@almondtree People basically believe what they want to believe,, or what they have been taught to believe.

8:20 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
​#2
​@almondtree Ecclesiastes was supposed to have been written by Solomon who died an idolater. He may have been wise, but not all-wise.

8:20 PM
@almondtree
​#3
​Yeah, I think he says as much in my favorite verse in the Bible. I think it’s chapter 7 verse 27.

8:21 PM
@almondtree
​#3
​“ all this, I have proved by wisdom. I said I will be wise, but it was far from me.”

8:25 PM
@almondtree
​#3
​Chezi, I think a lot of my comments had to do with suggesting there was no Torah or scripture or anything. Why would I believe in the afterlife?

8:26 PM
@almondtree
#3
​Like what would compel me to have that idea? And I think Claire suggested that the utility of a judgment rewarding, good, and evil is a good thing.

8:27 PM
@almondtree
​#3
​And because we know that such an idea is a good thing, because if it’s practicality, therefore it must suggest that it’s true, or I should at least submit myself to it on faith

8:29 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
​@almondtree If the Abrahamic God exists, He would reward good and punish evil, measure for measure, in this life and the next. Most people would want to believe in this, if it is true, or not.

8:31 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
​#1
​It actually doesn't matter if God exists or not. If He exists, then of course we should obey His laws. But even if He does not, it is obviously useful to society that we obey His laws.

8:33 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
​​If there were a general belief in God, and most parents were married parents who want to properly parent their legitimate offspring, we would live in a high trust and low tax society.

8:35 PM
@almondtree
​#3
​why did Musicdude time out Claire?

8:36 PM
@almondtree
#1
​I mustve missed something

8:36 PM
@almondtree
#1
​I feel like Musicdude does this a lot

Weak men lacking conviction pretending to be Christian to hold on to their failed ancestral religion


Locus standi
1:00  Spergs
4:00  My areas of interest
5:00  Stream of consciousness
6:00  Only children
7:00  TLC is for the neurodivergent?
9:00  Classes and courses in conversational etiquette
10:00  PVK
11:00  "Outback Jack"
12:00  Dot Warner OCD
13:00  Matriarchy
14:00  Yoav Bressler
Muslim at student bar
15:00  Spergs, oddballs and cranks
16:00  Talking cure
16:00  Birds singing on a branch
19:00  Error, ego and ambition
20:00  Men who lack conviction
21:00  Hypocrites and their non-engagement
22:00  I have won and they have lost. 
23:00  Hypocrites
24:00  Morons, coward and hypocrites
25:00  Preferring scapegoats
26:00  Ignoring their moral imperative
Matriarchy
27:00  PVK's heresies
28:00  Church as a business model
29:00  Cultural, religious and political affiliations
30:00  To investigate a problem is to solve it. 
31:00  Crying over spilled milk < doing something about it
32:00  Fear of loss of status
33:00  Hell-bound hypocrites
Islamophobic coastal elites and rednecks
35:00  Skyworks
36:00  Tucker Carlson
Non-engagement is a tactic.
37:00  Dialogue and naturally occurring questions
38:00  Echo chambers
Ann Coulter
40:00  Secular Koranism
41:00  PVK

Discussing educational standards, Keith Joseph and how feminism harms women

 

27:00  CLAIRE KHAW joins to point out that the matriarchy got into full swing in the Swinging 60s. 
29:00  Fornication is a mortal sin. 
30:00  The truly religious would take the human tradition of marriage seriously. 
33:00  Grade inflation
34:00  A*
35:00  Grammar Nazi
36:00  AI
37:00  MARC agrees with me! 
GCSE
38:00  Unmarried parents are now the majority.
39:00  Facts and logic are now called extremism and fundamentalism. 
41:00  Playing video games with your son to connect with him
42:00  Flow state and communion
43:00  Father rambling at the dinner table
44:00  CHAVs
45:00  Keith Joseph
47:00  Matriarchy
49:00  Objective measure
50:00  The religion of the West is feminism. 
52:00  "Skinny jeans pastor" 
53:00  Barbie movie
56:00  Feminism harms women too. 

Iranian Jew Jacob Faturechi discusses US foreign policy, fake Judaism, fake Christianity and the meaning crisis


5:00  Time to reject liberal democracy. George Washington would agree!

16:00  Western philosophers are the antithesis of wisdom.

22:00  Old British money

23:00  The Irish Question

38:00  Scotland is a one-party state.

41:00  Who represents "left-wing political Islam"?

50:00  Short term thinkers = atheists
Long term  thinkers = ethical monotheists

56:00   American isolationism

1:43:00  PVK joins.

1:44:00  It's not going to be Iran who will blink first. 

1:45:00  The percentage of self-hating mentally ill atheist men lacking in marriageability, competence and principle is significantly higher in America than Iran.

1:47:00  Unprincipled and incompetent NATO European leaders who never think to govern in the national interest take orders directly Washington. After all, NATO is just a bloc of US vassal states. 

1:49:00  Most Americans are dumb and don't care who their government murders and maims in their name. Most members of TLC are like that. This political system is actually immoral and an eloquent argument against representative democracy George Washington warned  Americans against this in his farewell speech which 21st century Americans refuse to read or heed.  

1:50:00  People who don't understand or care about foreign policy should be deprived of the vote. In fact, Americans should in 2026 finally heed George Washington's warning against political parties, but they probably won't, because they are lazy, prideful, amoral hypocrites who are fundamentally nihilists only pretending to believe in God. As I never tire of reminding Christians who only pretend to believe in the absurdity that Jesus is the co-equal of the supreme and eternal Abrahamic God who created the Universe, the Koran says hypocrites are Hell-bound. We can identify a hypocrite when he gives irrational and irrelevant reasons for not following his religious principles. As you already know, Christians are terrified of discussing Christian identity because every denomination of Christianity - and there are very many - has accused another denomination of heresy. They also know that Christianity has no codified principles.  

1:51:00  Who did your cousin want his relations to vote for?

1:52:00  When are you going to read Washington's farewell speech warning Americans against political parties, Jacob?

1:53:00  Reform Judaism = heretical Judaism

1:55:00  Reform Judaism is heretical to Orthodox Judaism, Trinitarian Christianity is idolatry because it worships a man.

1:56:00  Liberalism -  including the feminism that established the matriarchy - is the real religion of the West. 

Matriarchy is a society prioritising the preferences of unmarried parents who casually conceived and parented their legitimate offspring. Patriarchy is a society prioritising the preferences of married parents who want to properly parent their legitimate offspring. Marriage is eugenic, illegitimacy dysgenic.

1:56:30  Bret Weinstein was bemoaning the time when he asked for Bar Mitzvah and the education at yeshiva to go with it at the dinner table, but his father said no.

2:00:00  The powers that be are creating a blended religion called  "Judeo-Christianity". You might as well opt for Secular Koranisn with American Characteristics to protect your rights better. Happy to explain how and why to you, Jacob and Paul! 

2:01:00  Shiksa = a gentile woman perceived to be freer from religious constraints and virtue than a well-brought up Orthodox Jewess.

2:06:00  Donald Trump being elected twice likened to the House of Democrats on a hill suffering land erosion. 

2:10:00  How about churches - which are only social clubs incapable of maintaining morality - just agree to support SK USA or talk about considering supporting it - so they can just carry on as social clubs while agreeing to a minimum moral standard for Americans and their ruling classes? Happy to give further and better particulars of this proposal, Jacob and Paul! 

2:13:00  Gay marriage

2:13:30  The CRC can agree to the Noahide laws, can't it, Paul?

2:14:00  Church schools and education vouchers

2:15:00  How about making even state schools decent? I propose my system of A, B and B+ schools for the Moral Majority America that I propose. https://secularkoranism.blogspot.com/2025/03/secular-koranism-pamphlet-on-schooling.html

2:19:00   Cringe Christianity

2:23:00   Lotus Eaters are Islamophobes.

Stelios and Vervaeke

2:26:00  Liberal Democrats

2:28:00  Liberalism

2:29:00  "I'm afraid it might be Claire." 

3:00  Loss of trust, conspiracy theories and paranoia

3:05:00  The meaning crisis is the atheism, feminism and nihilism crisis.

3:06:00  The CIA is part of the malign matriarchy. The matriarchy wants us to get into our coffins now and getting us hooked on sex and drugs would hurry us along. 

3:09:00  Bullets for junkies

3:15:00  God is the ultimate conspiracy theory if you think He created evil. 

3:19:00  Most Christians are just cultural Christians making them atheists.

3:20:00  Actually, Jacob, you do have to literally believe that good will be rewarded and evil punished in this life and the next to do the right thing and in particular take idolatry seriously. Have you noticed how these Christians refuse to do so suggesting they are Hell-bound hypocrites, according to the Koran? 

3:22:00  I hope you will ask Father Stephen how Christianity is not idolatry and if he says it is not idolatry to worship Jesus if he is indeed God, ask him how Jesus is God. Do you dare?

Refusal of Vincent Bruno to gather evidence in support of his claim that his kind of parenting ie gay and polygamous parenting is better than traditional married parenting

https://t.co/HFsVIK0lAZ — Real Vincent Bruno (@RealVinBruno) May 14, 2026 2:00  Space begins. 3:00  Vincent refuses to ask after the son of ...