The meaning of suffering and the purpose of pain

30:34

@OOOTLAM

​​I wonder when YouTube will start selling Secular Koranism videos!

31:38

@OOOTLAM

​​The aspiration of humanity for theosis found in Orthodox Christianity goes all the way back to Adam and Eve.

32:56

@OOOTLAM

​​Cannibals think eating the flesh of their enemies allows them to acquire the power and energy of their defeated and deceased enemies. The Eucharist is arguably a performance of theosis.

34:36

@OOOTLAM

​​Caleb Maupin has a theory about Hollywood propaganda.

37:25

@OOOTLAM

​​YawnGod was mentioning Network which I have a memory of enjoying but on reading the summary it seems I do not remember the plot at all!

43:20

@OOOTLAM

​​It is possible to no longer be Christian and still believe in God such as the Founding Fathers.

44:35

@OOOTLAM

​​Quite an interesting chat yesterday on Jacob's channel about "atheist theology". I have clipped three of the conversations in case anyone's interested.

46:02

@OOOTLAM

​​I have known people promoting paganism who obviously didn't believe in it. Extraordinary!

49:42

@OOOTLAM

​​If the purpose of our life is to show we know the difference between good and evil in theory and in practice to get to heaven, then God has to allow evil so we can choose between evil and good.

50:08

@chrishoward8473

​​OSK, I am seeing our current conversation about faith and deconstruction.... I am a bit skeptical that you would allow us to stay in that space.

50:27

@OOOTLAM

​​I was going crazy in Luke's stream asking that question with Jess who does not get it after so long.

50:53

@OOOTLAM

​​@chrishoward8473 I wanted to answer the Job question, that's all. Then I'll go.

51:18

@chrishoward8473

​​what question are you referencing?

51:27

@OOOTLAM

​​About Job!

51:35

@OOOTLAM

​​About the problem of evil.

52:09

@OOOTLAM

​​We can do it another time, of course.

52:27

@chrishoward8473

​​I'm not connecting the problem of evil with deconstruction

53:02

@OOOTLAM

​​Tunji is saying something quite interesting so I don't want to interrupt him.

53:36

@OOOTLAM

​​When you say deconstruction, you mean losing your faith, don't you? All these new words!

54:31

@OOOTLAM

​​Perhaps it was a YouTube exorcism!

56:25

@OOOTLAM

​​Exorcism is a public ritual that satisfies the exorcised's desire for attention.

58:17

@OOOTLAM

​​It's is a kind of speaking in tongues ritual eg being a Holy Roller. And maybe something to do with David saying he didn't mind looking silly when he was worshiping God.

58:21

@stefaniecristos8514

​​Tunji, good thing God can use all for good, even Youtube videos by cynical deconstructionists.

1:00:17

@OOOTLAM

​​It is a matter of taste. Jews look silly wearing a box on their head. Muslims look silly with their bums in the air doing their prostrations.

1:00:24

@stefaniecristos8514

​​But I think I get it - when sociologist Clara first came into TLC, I did not like it because she was studying it. Next thing you know, she was participating!❤

1:01:23

@OOOTLAM

​​@LIBERALARTS-b6y We must think of it as a kind of shop display, mixing and matching ...

1:01:49

@OOOTLAM

​​@stefaniecristos8514 I am a bit of an anthropologist myself!

1:02:30

@OOOTLAM

​​I am a religious, political and social anthropologist.

1:03:05

@stefaniecristos8514

​​ARTS, the Anglican morning prayer and scripture readings are for EVERYONE. He’s not celebrating an Anglican eucharist.

1:03:35

@OOOTLAM

​​@LIBERALARTS-b6y It's all re-arranging the deckchairs basically. Do you listen to the Muslim-Christian theological debates?

1:03:40

@stefaniecristos8514

​​That’s your cynicism calling it cosplay

1:04:58

@OOOTLAM

​​I do like the richness of the words in BPC. My SK UK Project would be to remove all references to the Trinity from the BPC and keep the flavour of it.

1:05:39

@stefaniecristos8514

​​Ron is prosperity gospel? If so, he’s not exactly the poster child for it working. Silly.

1:06:19

@OOOTLAM

​​It is true that ritual is very important to many but it is merely showmanship and performative. The heart of the religion is its scripture and principles.

1:06:39

@SeekingGenuine

​​This is beautiful

1:06:53

@SeekingGenuine

​​And resonating so deeply in me this morning

1:08:06

@OOOTLAM

​​I knew it! All this angst is because most people are still not getting it about the purpose of our life if we believe in the afterlife!

1:08:23

@stefaniecristos8514

​​Fair enough, ARTS…. I don’t know what’s in Ryan’s heart - or yours, for that matter. Besides, none of us are totally “pure”.

1:08:48

@OOOTLAM

​​I don't have a problem at all with Ryan using the BPC. I am glad he is using it.

1:09:10

@SeekingGenuine

​​When I have felt lost and broken and falling apart I was convinced God wasn’t there, and now I know he was with me and was the biggest reason I could get through those times

1:09:39

@OOOTLAM

​​People remember words and these words give comfort. We are more likely to remember words if they come from well-constructed sentences.

1:10:45

@OOOTLAM

​​@LIBERALARTS-b6y Ryan's denomination is a bit murky even when you ask him and he answers. This is what I have noticed about many Americans.

1:11:19

@OOOTLAM

​​@LIBERALARTS-b6y Ha! There are so many Catholic elements still i the BPC including praying for the Holy Catholic Church!

1:12:16

@stefaniecristos8514

​​What’s BPC stand for?

1:12:31

@OOOTLAM

​​There is virtually no denominational loyalty in most Americans. It is about their loyalty to their social club, and the fact that they move so often means they have to take their church as it comes.

1:12:40

@OOOTLAM

​​Book of Common Prayer

1:12:56

@stefaniecristos8514

​​Ah, of course! Thanks.

1:13:26

@OOOTLAM

​​"Dust to dust, ashes to ashes .... Till death do us part." It should be till divorce do us part after Henry VIII allowed divorce.

1:15:29

@OOOTLAM

​​It is only a matter of time before Americans finally understand that the Founding Fathers were heretical Christians making them closer to being Muslim than Christian.

1:16:26

@stefaniecristos8514

​​In BPC, catholic is not capitalized, so it means “universal”, not the denomination.

1:16:43

@OOOTLAM

​​Suffering is punishment for sin and also expiation.

1:16:53

@OOOTLAM

​​Suffering is the price we have to pay for pleasure.

1:17:31

@OOOTLAM

​​@stefaniecristos8514 I know that's what Anglicans say but the BPC actually comes from the Old Sarum Rite which was Catholic.

1:18:22

@SeekingGenuine

​​I don’t disagree with that Claire. But I want to add that I think we can more often suffer because of the sin and pleasure of another/not our individual choices

1:18:46

@SeekingGenuine

​​Not JUST our individual choices*

1:19:18

@OOOTLAM

​​If you read the very long Foreward of the BPC, it explains how it came to be. Henry VIII knew the peasants would never shut up if they noticed a change in ritual or even the wording of a prayer.

1:20:54

@OOOTLAM

​​@SeekingGenuine There is a very good children's story which I shall dig out which actually explains the point of suffering. I'll read it out in a livestream when I find it.

1:21:11

@SeekingGenuine

​​Yes please, Claire 🙏

Responding to Claire Khaw With Facts & Logic

23:00  Just ban sorcery and witchcraft. 

28:00  We obey God if He exists to avoid being sent to worse place in the afterlife. 

32:00  The Koran is the final edition of divine revelation. 

33:00  Aren't we agreed that God is absolutely powerful and perfectly moral? He has to be to be the Supreme Administrator of Heaven and Hell as well as the material universe! 

34:00  We have to think God is perfectly moral or, as Mark says, we won't obey Him.

37:00  There is only one set of facts which corresponds to reality. 

39:00  Do we know of matriarchies that are more rational and moral than patriarchies?

42:00  CLAIRE KHAW joins to discuss patriarchy and matriarchy.

45:00  Pater familias

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pater_familias

47:00  Top and bottom in gay relationships

48:00  The return of patriarchy

https://foreignpolicy.com/2009/10/20/the-return-of-patriarchy/

49:00  Monogamy

50:00  Harems

52:00  The difference between a republic and monarchy

53:00  The Book of Samuel

Saul and David

56:00  The purpose of Christianity was to defend the divine right of kings.

57:00  Patriarchy is protected by religion and cannot exist without marriage.

58:00  Monogamy is more stable than polygamy.

1:00:00  The Koranic position on polygamy is tolerance. 

1:02:00  Enforcing monogamy

Mormon Extermination Order

1:05:00  American Primeval

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Primeval

1:07:00  Labour  relations

1:08:00  Bread and circuses

1:09:00  Mercenaries

Patricians

1:10:00  Julius Caesar

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_Caesar#Personal_life

Brutus

1:11:00  Different periods of Rome

1:12:00  Islam

1:13:00  Romans started their city state as a people who hated kings and became a people who worshiped their deceased emperors.

1:15:00  Ben Franklin

The American and French Revolutions

1:16:00  The English Republic

1:17:00  The extermination of the Romanovs

1:18:00  Nicholas II was refused asylum by George V.

1:19:00  The Alliance System of Europe

1:20:00  The War of 1812

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_1812

The Seven Years' War and the War of 1812 are indirectly linked through a continuous, century-long geopolitical rivalry between Great Britain and France, unfinished territorial conflicts involving Indigenous peoples, and the structural evolution of the British Empire in North America.

Direct and Indirect Connections

The Anglo-French Struggle: Both wars were extensions of global power struggles between Britain and France. The Seven Years' War established British dominance in North America, while the War of 1812 was a direct spillover of the Napoleonic Wars—Britain's final phase of that multi-decade existential conflict with France.

Indigenous Land and Alliances: The outcome of the Seven Years' War pushed British authority and American colonists into the Ohio Valley and Great Lakes regions. This created a lasting friction over Indigenous lands that culminated in Tecumseh's Confederacy allying with the British to resist U.S. expansion during the War of 1812.

Unresolved Border Pressures: Britain's retention of frontier posts and alliances with Native tribes after earlier treaties—roots tracing back to mid-18th-century imperial adjustments—fueled American war hawks' ambitions to capture Canada as a way to finalize national security.

1:23:00  Imperial wars

1:24:00  The decline of Spanish empire

The Thucydides Trap

1:25:00  After  WW2

1:26:00  NATO

The Cold War was a huge opportunity for the military industrial complex to sell weapons to US vassal states. 

1:27:00  George  Washington: "An overgrown military establishment is inauspicious to republican liberty." 

Every problem is a nail when all you have is a hammer. 

1:28:00  Germanic dominance

1:29:00  Anglo Saxons and Saxons were Teutons.

1:30:00  The Berlin-Baghdad Railway

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlin%E2%80%93Baghdad_railway

Discussion of the railway's role as a contributing factor to the outbreak of war is complicated by two issues:

Firstly, historians and political analysts who wrote about this issue directly after the war were not in possession of closed diplomatic records, an important piece and perspective on the historical record. Diplomatic documents of the German government were released between 1922 and 1927, British documents between 1926 and 1938. Only some Russian documents were released, and Italian documents came out only after World War II.

Marxist historians emphasise imperial rivalries and economics as the driving force for the war, as was popularly reported with respect to the railway at the time[33][page needed] and especially as revealed in the Russian diplomatic documents. Regardless of diplomacy, financing and agreements and later points of view, the existence of the railway would have created a threat to British dominance over German trade, as it would have given German industry access to oil and a port in the Persian Gulf. The importance of oil as opposed to coal as fuel was recognised, as it could greatly improve the performance and capacity of the rival navies. The recognised strategic importance is seen by the wartime presence of the British there and by the earlier establishment of the Sheikdom of Kuwait as an autonomous kaza (district) of the Ottoman Empire and a de facto protectorate of Great Britain by the Anglo-Ottoman Convention of 1913 to block northern access to the Persian Gulf.

Other historians have argued that the sum of many other issues, including intractable nationalities and the denial of self-determination to minority groups, were the dominant causes of World War I. They argue that although the railway issue was heated before 1914 (Corrigan shows that the railway issue was driving Germany and the Ottomans apart), conservative Anglo-American historians argue that it was not a cause of World War I[35] since the main controversies had been addressed in principle before the war started.

Some of the optimism should be attributed to the willingness of the German government to compose long-standing differences... and in June 1914 a settlement was achieved over the Baghdad railway.

Many economic and colonial issues which had been causing friction between French, German and British governments before 1914, such as the financing of the Berlin-Baghdad railway and the future disposition of the Portuguese colonies, had been resolved by the summer of 1914.

Eventually an agreement over the Baghdad railway issue was reached between Britain and the Ottoman Government in 1913 in the following terms: First, there should be no differential treatment on any railway in Asiatic Turkey; second, two British representatives approved by HMG should be admitted to the Board of the Baghdad Railway Company; third, the terminus of the railway should be at Basra; last, no railway should be constructed from Basra to the Gulf without the sanction of HMG, which speaks to the importance of the issue. This was followed by an Anglo-German agreement on the similar lines in London on 15 June 1914. However these agreements, reached just prior to the outbreak of the Great War, were not realised.

However, war began on 1 August 1914 – and one day later the secret treaty establishing the Ottoman-German Alliance was signed, perhaps giving credence to the notion that the issue had not been fully resolved. In fact, restriction of German access to Mesopotamia and its oil, and strategic exclusion from rail access to the Persian Gulf, was enforced by British military presence during World War I, and afterwards in the Treaty of Versailles by removal of the would-be Baghdad railway from German ownership and the transfer to France of the German-held 25% stake in the Turkish Petroleum Company in the San Remo Oil Agreement of 1920. Thus the potential consequences to Anglo-German economic rivalry in oil and trade by the existence of the railway were ultimately addressed by ownership and outright control, rather than by agreement. Marxist historians, unpopular in the Anglo-American perspective on process, would suggest that economic contexts, rather than nationalistic and political rivalries, underlie the root causes.

1:32:00  Poland 

1:35:00  Germany

1:36:00  A J P Taylor

1:37:00  Niall Ferguson

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Thirty_Years%27_War

https://enrs.eu/article/the-myth-of-a-second-thirty-years-war

1:39:00  Weimar Republic

1:40:00  Kaiser

1:43:00  Victoria Empress of India

1:44:00  Divide and rule

1:45:00  Monarchy is idolatry.

1:46:00  Belgian and Russian imperialism

1:47:00  Monarchs are remembered better than Presidents.

1:49:00  The Fourth Political Theory

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fourth_Political_Theory

1:50:00  American Christianity

1:53:00  The Amish and Mennonites

1:55:00  Zionism

The Judeo-Christian heritage of the West

1:57:00  People's Democratic Dictatorship

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_democratic_dictatorship

1:58:00  Spirituality

The Culture War

1:59:00  Kulturkampf

Vatican I

2:00:00  Enforcing Christianity

2:01:00  Christian Amendment

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_amendment

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-01-21/samoa-prime-minister-religion-restrictions/106225328

2:02:00  Mamdani and El-Sayed

2:03:00  Token Muslims

https://www.yahoo.com/news/politics/articles/el-sayed-love-revere-judaism-130000304.html

2:06:00  What are American values?

2:10:00  Suez, Eisenhower and Netanyahu

2:11:00  Unwavering support of America

2:13:00  October 7 and 9/11

Is Israel a weapons testing ground?

2:19:00  Shipbuilding and drones

2:20:00  The liberal order

2:21:00  Taxes

2:23:00  Doubling down on liberalism

2:24:00  An anti-feminist political economy

2:26:00  Housing allowance

2:27:00  Ban usury

Nuclear families

2:28:00  Properly parented legitimate offspring

2:29:00  Monopolists

2:30:00  Tony Tiger Great

2:31:00  Ukraine, NATO and Poland

2:32:00  Which NATO country will Russia nuke to make a point?

2:34:00  The cost of killing and the economics of violence

2:35:00  Turkey

2:36:00  Lawrence of Arabia

2:37:00  Putin's in a pickle

2:38:00  US foreign  policy

2:40:00  Lee Kuan Yew

Christians worship a Jew who called gentiles dogs

11:03 AM

@OOOTLAM

​​Are gentiles the servants of Jews?

11:03 AM

@OOOTLAM

​Do any gentiles feel uncomfortable about being the servants of Jews?

11:04 AM

@OOOTLAM

#3

​So Jesus was a racist and Jewish chauvinist?

11:04 AM

@TonyTigerGreat

#1

​"original stock", the regional was always a blend of various ethnic groups, as ethnicity is not static and never has been

11:07 AM

@OOOTLAM

#2

​The Koran doesn't require gentiles to a kneel before a Jew and worship him even though he calls them dogs.

11:07 AM

@TonyTigerGreat

#1

​Jew is a medieval French English word

11:08 AM

@OOOTLAM

#2

​Maybe your Islamophobia - which must be great indeed - makes you still prefer the New Testament even though it says gentiles are dogs.

11:08 AM

@TonyTigerGreat

#1

​Yehudi is a geographical moniker not ethnic

11:08 AM

@OOOTLAM

#2

​Maybe your Islamophobia - which must be great indeed - makes you still prefer the New Testament even though it says gentiles are dogs.

11:10 AM

@OOOTLAM

#2

​How about reading the Koran from time to time as an exercise in comparative religion, Olson? Or would that make your Islamophobic YouTube community desert and shun you?

11:11 AM

@OOOTLAM

#2

​Perhaps it will be unbearable to blocked by the likes of Brett and Scott and have your comments deleted. Probably, you are not up to using facts and logic to choose your religion.

11:11 AM

@TonyTigerGreat

#1

​Hebrew is a Canaanite dialect

11:11 AM

@TonyTigerGreat

​#1

​El is Canaanite deity and Elohim is plural for Canaanite pantheon

11:12 AM

@OOOTLAM

​​Humility = self-abnegation or is it Islamophobia? You know Brett is not going to change his mind whatever the arguments.

11:15 AM

@Eolson-helper

​​ask about humilty with out the phobia part

11:23 AM

@ChadMatthewAlbin

#3

​I desire mercy

11:25 AM

@ChadMatthewAlbin

#1

​Hosea 6:6

11:26 AM

@OOOTLAM

​​Luke was a Jew, wasn't he?

11:27 AM

@TonyTigerGreat

​​the concept of "Jew" didn't emerge for centuries after the classical period

11:27 AM

@OOOTLAM

​​Why do Christians complain about Jews when they worship one?

11:28 AM

@teestrypzSOG

​​The trans kids

11:28 AM

@alohm

​​You cannot awake from the meaning crisis with the self as centre?

11:29 AM

@OOOTLAM

​​Is there something beyond contemptible about grown men who rejects facts and logic as a way of voiding and solving problems?

11:29 AM

@OOOTLAM

​​Doesn't Andrew think he has to worship the right deity?

11:30 AM

@OOOTLAM

​​Are Christians in particular most avoidant of facts and logic because their entire belief system is based on believing an absurdity?

11:31 AM

@OOOTLAM

​​We should beware of men who refuse to change their mind whatever the arguments.

11:32 AM

@OOOTLAM

​​The meaning crisis = the matriarchy crisis 

Western men are too pussy whipped to say the M word.

11:35 AM

@OOOTLAM

​​I pray that Christians stop worshiping a deceased Jew and worship the Supreme Creator of the Universe instead.

The American Conundrum can be solved by Secular Koranism

11:45 AM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

#3

​Can a moral inventory be made of US foreign policy?

11:46 AM

@YawnGod

​​"Listen...if we don't kill them over there, they will kill us over here." -- G.W.

11:47 AM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

#3

​We are individually and collectively punished by humans and by God if He exists.

11:47 AM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

#2

​Forsooth! Saying nothing can be changed by voting?!

11:47 AM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

#1

​Is Britain also responsible for US foreign policy?

11:48 AM

@YawnGod

​​@OfficialSecularKoranism You should watch the Transnational Capital scene in the film Network.

11:49 AM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

#1

​@YawnGod The 1976 movie?

11:50 AM

@YawnGod

​​@OfficialSecularKoranism Thats right

11:51 AM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

#1

​@YawnGod I remember reading a Batman comic complaining about Corporate America. This goes way back. In fact it goes back to FDR.

11:52 AM

@stefaniecristos8514

​​Yawn “a dominion of dollars”, no nations…

11:52 AM

@YawnGod

​​@OfficialSecularKoranism I'm sure it goes even further back to when the first merchants were lying on their cuneiform clay tablets.

11:52 AM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

#1

​It goes back to Washington's farewell speech warning Americans against political parties.

11:53 AM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

#1

​It goes back to the Hindu caste system. the merchant class was never meant to be the one calling the shots.

11:53 AM

@stefaniecristos8514

#3

​So why are they, OSK?

11:53 AM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

#2

​You would expect the merchant class to care only about profit and loss.

11:53 AM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

#2

​@stefaniecristos8514 Why are they what?

11:54 AM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

#2

​@stefaniecristos8514 Why are who what?

11:54 AM

@stefaniecristos8514

#1

​Calling the shots. You have a lot of “shoulds” and “shouldn’ts”

11:54 AM

@stefaniecristos8514

#1

​The merchant class, calling the shots.

11:55 AM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

#2

​@stefaniecristos8514 The king was supposed to have a priest whose advice he heeded.

11:55 AM

@stefaniecristos8514

#1

​Sounds like you may be arguing with reality?

11:55 AM

@teestrypzSOG

#3

​still in Ireland?

11:55 AM

@LoricaSancta

​​a good aspect of this review is seeing the algo work. that drunk lady was in my feed yesterday also. we are being shaped. hello all

11:56 AM

@LoricaSancta

​​no, alas.

11:56 AM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

#2

​David Wood is an Islamophobe. Muslim countries are subject to the same treatment as formerly Christian countries. 21st century Christians are functionally atheist.

11:57 AM

@βρεττς

​​Understanding that he knows he has no feelings he’s doing the best he can with not having feelings. Even though they say there’s no such thing as psychopath clinically anymore.

11:58 AM

@stefaniecristos8514

#1

​Lorica, I agree, we are constantly being shaped and our YouTube feed shows us our echo chamber.

11:58 AM

@stefaniecristos8514

#1

​Who, Brett? David Frumm?

11:58 AM

@βρεττς

​​Chris Scott and I continued that Luke stream on my channel

11:58 AM

@βρεττς

#3

​Wood

11:59 AM

@stefaniecristos8514

#1

​Oh, someone else I need to look up…

12:00 PM

@βρεττς

#3

​He learned he didn’t have emotional feelings. In his evil times, he smashed his dad in the head with a hammer. But now he’s trying to use his lack of feelings to have a balance discussion with people

12:00 PM

@stefaniecristos8514

#1

​Wow, thanks for shaving me the time to look into him, Brett.

12:01 PM

@stefaniecristos8514

#1

​Ugh

12:01 PM

@teestrypzSOG

​​sigh

12:09 PM

@βρεττς

#3

​Stef He comes off contentious. But Wood actually has a decent message and points out through facts and logic why Islam is noncoherent. He just sometimes comes up as mean because he doesn’t feel

12:09 PM

@YawnGod

​​It's just corporal punishment rules, but without the emotional righteous indignation--rather, it's all logical and rational 🤔

12:12 PM

@stefaniecristos8514

#1

​I don’t think I can be open to someone who hit his dad in the head with a hammer. That just puts up such a wall in me.

12:13 PM

@stefaniecristos8514

#1

​That said, my exploration of Islam has yet to begin with any depth. So eventually I may come across him.

12:14 PM

@stefaniecristos8514

#1

​Powers and Principalities, people!

12:15 PM

@stefaniecristos8514

#1

​Or, taking the metaphysical out of it, Multinational corporations?

12:15 PM

@βρεττς

#3

​A large majority of the declaration of independence were under 30

12:16 PM

@LoricaSancta

​​william pitt the younger was very famous PM and started at 24

12:16 PM

@βρεττς

#3

​Even more of the signers were actually ordained ministers

12:17 PM

@LoricaSancta

​​monarchs do what they are told to do in europe anyhow

12:23 PM

@βρεττς

#3

​Video All Claire text chat all Rob

12:25 PM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

#2

​“We have no Constitution which functions in the absence of a moral people.”— John Adams

12:26 PM

@βρεττς

#3

​It makes you a sociopath if you talk about yourself in the third person

12:27 PM

@LoricaSancta

​​there is about 2 centuries between athenian democracy failing and the romans raking over

12:27 PM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

#2

​Truth is the opinion of powerful.

12:29 PM

@βρεττς

#3

​You must think you’re really powerful

12:30 PM

@βρεττς

#3

​I agree, Rob

12:31 PM

@βρεττς

#3

​There’s no such thing as absolute power

12:35 PM

@YoavBressler

​​The word divan comes from the Sumerian word dub, which means a clay tablet. Over thousands of years, this root shifted from a writing tablet into a word for records,

12:37 PM

@YawnGod

​​@YoavBressler Heh, the last input I gave the AI was "I want you to make this figure look like it was chiseled onto a rock like an Ancient Egyptian relief or Cuneiform tablet." Coincidences!

12:40 PM

@YoavBressler

​​Did he marry Mary 'the clay tablet'?

12:42 PM

@YoavBressler

​#1

​Must have smelt quite bad by the 7th.

12:43 PM

@YoavBressler

#1

​How else would soap opera been invented?

12:47 PM

@βρεττς

​​Oh if it were that simple

12:48 PM

@βρεττς

​​I’ve been told the Europeans don’t use soap

1:01 PM

@LIBERALARTS-b6y

​​theology was above because the church created scholastics lol

1:01 PM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

#2

​Thank you, Chris!

1:02 PM

@LIBERALARTS-b6y

​​thanks claire 😘

1:05 PM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

​#1

​The Sabbath is the democratisation of leisure.

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22:00  CLAIRE KHAW joins to discuss David Wood gloating over the secularisation of Muslims. 

26:00  Most people who claim to believe in the afterlife are functionally atheist.

27:00  The Koran supports the First Amendment with quran.com/2/256

28:00  David Frum

29:00  Peter Robinson

30:00  I call Secular Koranism secular out of deference to atheists, agnostics and skeptics. 

31:00  King Solomon's son split the Kingdom of Israel into two. 

32:00  Not taking marriage seriously causes your empire to decline and fall.

33:00  Hiring mercenaries is the end of your empire because it means you are not prepared to fight your own wars. 

34:00  The banning of usury

There is no one in charge. 

Speed with Keanu Reeves

35:00  TLC

What do they think they are doing?

36:00  Trump voters

37:00  David Cameron had children who were too young when he was Prime Minister. 

James Buchanan

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-22946672

38:00  Presidents are functionally figureheads.

40:00  King Charles

41:00  The Praetorian Guard would assassinate Roman emperors who did not support their military policy.

43:00  Repent of ignoring the advice of George Washington, still living American Presidents! 

Incremental morality and glacial progress

44:00  Democracy

45:00  The feedback loop of hypocrisy and denial

46:00  John Adams:  "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."

48:00  Greeks had a common language and worshiped the same pantheon of Gods, but they had no shared values. 

Peloponnesian War

49:00  Socrates

50:00  The American Conundrum can be solved by Secular Koranism!

51:00 The Hasmonean monarch and the chief priest should not be the same man. 

AI Overview                 

Combining the roles of the high priest and the king in the Hasmonean Dynasty caused major religious and political problems. Traditional Jewish law separated the political ruler (restricted to the house of David from the tribe of Judah) from the high priest (restricted to the lineage of Zadok from the tribe of Levi). By uniting both crowns, the Hasmoneans were viewed as unauthorized usurpers.

Religious and Traditional Objections

Wrong Lineage: The Hasmoneans were from the priestly family of Joarib/Levi, but they were not from the legitimate Zadokite line that traditionally held the High Priesthood.

Tribe Violation: Kingship in Jewish tradition belonged exclusively to the tribe of Judah, making a priestly king a direct violation of tribal boundaries.

Spiritual Corruption: Religious groups like the Pharisees and Essenes felt that mixing raw political power, warfare, and secular ambition with sacred priestly duties desecrated the office. 

Political and Social Fallout

Civil Strife: Opposition to this dual authority led to violent domestic rifts, notably under Alexander Jannaeus, who openly fought and massacred religious dissenters.

Loss of Public Support: Disenchantment with Hasmonean autocracy caused large parts of the Jewish population to lose faith in the regime.

Roman Intervention: Bitter internal succession disputes between rival Hasmonean priest-kings eventually let the Roman general Pompey capture Jerusalem in 63 BCE, ending Jewish independence.

In 63 BCE, Jewish leaders explicitly asked the Roman general Pompey the Great to intervene and settle a bitter civil war over who should rule Judea.

When the Hasmonean queen Salome Alexandra died, her two sons, Hyrcanus II and Aristobulus II, launched into a violent war of succession for the crown and the High Priesthood. Seeking an advantage, both brothers—along with a third group representing the Jewish people—appealed directly to Rome.

The Three Delegations to Damascus

While Pompey was stationed in Damascus, three distinct Jewish factions arrived to pitch their cases:

Hyrcanus II (The Elder Brother): Argued that he was the rightful heir by birthright. He accused his younger brother of illegal usurpation.

Aristobulus II (The Younger Brother): Offered massive bribes and argued that his brother was weak, lazy, and unfit to defend Judea.

The People's Delegation: A third group of Jewish citizens begged Pompey to abolish the monarchy altogether. They wanted to remove both brothers and restore Judea to its traditional, non-royal theocracy ruled solely by priests.

The Disastrous Outcome

Instead of safely resolving the dispute, inviting Rome into internal politics backfired entirely:

The Betrayal of Trust: Pompey delayed his decision, which made Aristobulus paranoid. Aristobulus fled to Jerusalem to fortify his defenses.

The Siege of Jerusalem: Viewing this as a rebellion, Pompey marched his legions into Judea and laid siege to Jerusalem.

Massacre and Desecration: Roman troops breached the temple walls, slaughtering roughly 12,000 Jewish defenders. Pompey even walked into the Holy of Holies—the most sacred part of the Temple—shocking the Jewish population.

Loss of Sovereignty: Pompey appointed Hyrcanus II as High Priest but stripped him of the title of king. Judea was stripped of its territories, forced to pay heavy tribute to Rome, and permanently lost its independence, becoming a Roman client state.

The Irony of Monarchy: Gibbon highlighted a recurring historical irony: the Jewish people had originally rebelled against the Seleucid empire to gain religious freedom, only to quickly establish an autocratic Hasmonean monarchy that bred internal corruption and deep social divisions.

52:00  Muslim takeover - good or bad?

57:00  European warlordism

58:00  "We're from Rome and we're here to help you." 

59:00  Muslims accept the prophethood of Jesus and the Virgin Birth.

1:00:00  Dalai Lama

1:03:00  The Four Rightly-Guided Caliphs were not absolute monarchs.

1:04:00  Rich people problems

1:05:00  Rules are made to be broken. 

1:06:00  George Washington warned Americans against getting themselves involved in European wars. 

1:07:00  War finance

1:08:00  French Revolution

1:09:00  Alien invasion

1:10:00  Pompey

1:11:00  William F Buckley

1:12:00  Reasonableness

1:14:00  Submitting to TLM

1:15:00  A minimum standard of reasonableness

1:17:00  A strict regard for truth, no justice without truth, no peace without justice.

1:18:00  Maths is discovered rather than invented.

1:21:00  Exploration

1:22:00  Because of maths, God exists.

The value of good feedback

52:00  Brett says he does not think good feedback are compliments and denies trying to get the others to block me. 

54:00  Megan agrees to talk to me on the phone. 

55:00  Who does Megan call a friend?

56:00  Megan is Snow White and the others are the Seven Dwarves. 

Tayo agrees! 

57:00   My question: the nature and purpose of religion

I address the title of Megan's stream which is that good feedback is constructive criticism. 

58:00  Defining terms

1:00:00  Scott blocked me from his channel after I said men are primarily motivated by sex.

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SURVEY QUESTIONS

1.  How many viewers would have preferred the conversation between Megan and Claire to have continued?

2.  How many viewers would like a conversation between Megan and Claire about the nature and purpose of religion?

3.  Does Claire make Megan's streams more interesting than just her talking to Scott who is too worried about the matriarchy to say anything clearly and Brett who has no interest in supporting the institution of marriage to make American men and women more marriageable?

4.  Can viewers see the link between the failure of Christianity and uncontrolled mass immigration in the West?

5.  Has Christianity successfully defended Westerners from feminism which has fatally undermined marriage as an institution in the West?

6.  Is Secular Koranism a religion? 

7.  John Adams asserted in a 1798 letter to the Massachusetts Militia that the U.S. Constitution is "wholly inadequate to the government of any other" people besides a moral and religious one.  He argued that because the government lacks the power to control "human Passions unbridled by morality and Religion," a republic requires citizens to possess internal civic virtues to prevent passions like avarice, ambition, and revenge from destroying the constitutional order. Would you like Snow White and the Seven Dwarves to discuss this in a stream with or without Claire Khaw?

The hypocrites who hate me: I welcome their hatred

https://thevoiceofreason-ann.blogspot.com/2026/08/scottam-i-driving-christian-father.html

Ancestral memory of being burned at the stake if they asked too many questions

1:00  Megan mixed up with BBLs Broken Beta Losers too afraid to discuss the nature and purpose of religion.  

2:00  The unspoken assumptions of who Megan's friends are - white, Christian or Post-Christian

Lesser eligibility

https://thevoiceofreason-ann.blogspot.com/2026/08/scottam-i-driving-christian-father.html

4:00  How to keep me away from your streams

5:00  Shooting the shit

Megan is no longer interested in defining terms.

https://thevoiceofreason-ann.blogspot.com/2026/01/bible-study-with-scott-including.html

7:00  I refuse to agree with dumb Christians who reject facts and logic.

The Brett mind virus taking over  the minds of Megan and Scott 

8:00  Olson accusing me of hypocrisy

https://thevoiceofreason-ann.blogspot.com/2026/07/the-claire-khaw-project.html

9:00  Men whose beliefs are so incoherent they cannot explain their beliefs to anyone or even themselves eg Marc Jackson "the uneducated philosopher"

10:00  Jacob Faturechi tries to be nice to the goyim and they don't listen to anything he says. 

PVK panders to these Christo-Cretins because he already knows Christianity is kaput but might last him lifetime. 

11:00  AL always takes any opportunity to speak to give a lecture on some unrelated topic.

12:00  Brett's defects of character and his practice of humble bragging

13:00  Tipping

15:00  Americans should be more Japanese about tipping.

16:00  People who show their faces are higher status than people who don't.

17:00  No Christian will participate in any honest discussion.

18:00  Hypocrisy is a mortal sin, according to the Koran. 

21:00  Christians fear to discuss Christian theology with each other.

24:00  Zionism is Anglo-American imperialism.

25:00  TLC may pretend to be caring concerned Christians but none of them care whom their government maims and murders in their name. 

Scott basically said 9/11 made him hate Muslims. 

Tyranny

26:00  The absurdity the Trinity

27:00  Chasing rainbows and looking for leprechauns

28:00  House of Woo

Woo Woo Stuff

https://www.thiswoowoostuff.com/

31:00  The idolater ignores divine revelation. 

32:00  quran.com/17/104

36:00  Heritage American Christians

37:00  Absolute monarchs who burned heretics at the stake

38:00  I don't want to be the equal of Islamophobes and idolaters who worship an executed blasphemer led by a man who panders to Islamophobes who worship an executed blasphemer. If they will not treat me as their superior, I will have to accept being treated as an inferior by them. 

40:00  No solutions allowed. 

41:00  Defining evil

https://thevoiceofreason-ann.blogspot.com/2026/08/friendships-places-of-wisdom-or-echo.html

42:00  Comrades can be both friends and enemies but allow their political fellowship to override their friendship or enmity.

43:00  Christians refusing to discuss the nature and purpose of religion.

44:00  Christians are saying truth is anything they like and lies are anything they dislike. 

45:00  No moral leadership from PVK

46:00  Rando

47:00  TLC and University Challenge

48:00  Jews don't like me either. 

49:00  The Christian practice of heretic burning

50:00  Christians are already responsible for two World Wars. 

51:00  Russians don't understand their own history either. 

Dominions renamed Commonwealth.

52:00  Shura for foreign policy

53:00  War party and liberal interventionism

54:00  Israel is a weapons-testing ground. 

55:00  Christians allergic to TLM

56:00  Christian hypocrisy

57:00  TLC is representative of Christians of the West. 

58:00  Defining terms

59:00  Hypocrisy is a mortal sin.

1:00:00  Even atheists claim to base their beliefs on facts and logic. 

1:01:00  Christians fear to discuss theology. 

1:02:00  The nature and purpose of religion

1:03:00  Scott says God is a tyrant?

Are people who expect to go to Hell like condemned prisoners with nothing to lose?

10:00  Nanny Brett

14:00  Social retard

Scott expects to go to hell. 

15:00  Dead Man Walking

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Man_Walking_(film)

https://radicalisedrabbi.blogspot.com/2026/08/scottam-i-driving-christian-father.html

19:00  The First Amendment is about tolerance.

21:00  Men are primarily motivated by sex. 

22:00  Scott thinks he's going to heaven. 

23:00  Christians who don't expect to go to heaven

24:00  Priestly absolution

25:00  Therapy = confession

Living in a theocracy

26:00  Atheists

27:00  Social pressure

28:00  Pretending to believe

29:00  A hierarchy 

30:00  Hypocrisy

31:00  Status

Register of Religions

32:00  Dealing with atheists and nihilists

33:00  Liberalism and Communism

34:00  Dualism

Values

35:00  Good and evil

INTERVAL

38:00  The Golden and Silver Rule

39:00  The Noahide laws

Standards of sexual morality

40:00  Reformed criminal, drug addict or alcoholic

41:00  We have to believe that God is perfectly moral and perfectly just. 

42:00  Idolatry and blasphemy are forbidden by the Torah.

43:00  Blasphemy is not mentioned at all in the Koran said Kashif Shahzada.

44:00  Asia Bibi

45:00  We must be familiar with scripture to avoid wool being pulled over our eyes.

46:00  The Noahide laws

47:00  Nihilists 

48:00  Hypocrisy is aspirational morality.

49:00  Hypocrisy is a mortal sin.

The Abrahamic God is supposed to be in absolute control of the Universe.

50:00  It's not that easy to know the difference between good and evil in theory and in practice. 

51:00  The Abrahamic God is the most powerful being conceivable. 

52:00  Christians

53:00  Thomas Jefferson's propositions

54:00  Secular Koranism is an off-ramp for Christians. 

55:00  Koran Book Clubs instead of Bible Study Groups

57:00  The Uncaused First Cause

58:00  God fills in the blanks. 

59:00  Isaiah  45:7

1:00:00  God as Supreme Invigilator

Jonathan Pageau

1:01:00  Filing for desertion 

Abolishing no fault divorce

1:04:00   Was Scott humble bragging about not expecting to go to heaven?

1:06:00  Good labour relations