11:56 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
Gnosticism was what Christianity used to be before the Council of Nicaea. It was basically snake oil salesmen using the brand of Jesus to sell their snake oil. This practice still continues.
11:56 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
Jews expect the Messiah but don't think he is Jesus. Christians expect Jesus. Muslims expect Jesus accompanied by the Mahdi.
11:58 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
@PepinmystepIV Aren't you Christian?
12:01 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
@PepinmystepIV That is why it must be abandoned for a better moral system. Otherwise you are made to play a game whose objects and rules are never explained to you!
12:02 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
Christianity works through the government telling you to pray to Jesus if you are upset and scared while they tell you what to believe and who to kill. Prove me wrong!
12:03 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
@PepinmystepIV Never heard of him, but why not!
12:03 PM
@PepinmystepIV
#3
Baldwin was part of the original right wing moral majority Liberty camp
12:04 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
Mennonites, Jehovah's Witnesses etc were pacifist Christians who didn't fancy dying in the imperial wars of their absolute monarchs and just wanted to be farmers. That's why they migrated to the US.
12:09 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
What if your parents are abusive?
12:12 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
@chrishoward8473 You made me look up bootstrapping anyway!
12:13 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
Bootstrapping sounds like perpetual motion.
12:13 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
Aha, Chris is really talking about the Trinity!
12:13 PM
@PepinmystepIV
have you ever pondered that you could have misconceptions of Gnosticism, and would not a deep dive study of history could reveal the truth through factual evidence to "know"?
12:13 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
@PepinmystepIV Are you talking to me?
12:13 PM
@ethan.caughey
Also, Olson and Scott: I sent in a request to the TLC website mod to get you two's channels added. You will soon be searchable. Be warned.
12:15 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
@ethan.caughey No Muslims allowed in the TLC, eh?
12:15 PM
@PepinmystepIV
Claire, it was rhetorical but for Chris as the host, but wherever it lands, let it take root
12:15 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
@PepinmystepIV There was a reason why Constantine thought Gnosticism was not good enough.
12:15 PM
@ethan.caughey
You're a Muslim, kind of... And you're in the TLC website, so you are part of TLC categorically.
12:16 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
@ethan.caughey Now I have to remind you that I am neither a Muslim convert nor a cultural Muslim nor do I have Muslims in my extended family.
12:16 PM
@PepinmystepIV
Could Constantine have feared it and would rather usurp the movement for his own imperial ends?
12:17 PM
@Eolson-helper
#3
Ethan - I guess I have to watch what I say now. No more flying under the radar with all of my feet conversations that were going to be searched ;)
12:18 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
@PepinmystepIV Gnosticism was basically snake oil salesmen selling their snake oil with the brand of Jesus. He wanted senior Christians ie bishops stating Christian doctrine. They couldn't agree.
12:18 PM
@ethan.caughey
@OfficialSecularKoranism I always forget. The Koranism really throws me.
12:19 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
@Eolson-helper You never say anything political anyway and make a point of doing so.
12:19 PM
@PepinmystepIV
chris, claire asked me about Constantine, hence my response... but doesn't Catholicism claim to be the one holy and apostolic church?
12:19 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
@ethan.caughey It helps you hate me if you think I am Muslim, I know.
12:20 PM
@ethan.caughey
@OfficialSecularKoranism Funny, I don't remember ever saying that I hate you. I do not hate you. I love you Claire.
12:20 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
Secular Koranism is not Gnosticism! There is no secret to it. It's just that no one wants to hear it or do the necessary reading.
12:22 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
@ethan.caughey I know the TLC is full of middle class white people too polite to openly declare their Islamophobia.
12:22 PM
@PepinmystepIV
that line was from Nicene Creed.. Catholic meaning "universal" or only chef of secret BBQ sauce
12:23 PM
@YawnGod
It's because spring doesn't matter after the Industrial Revolution 🥚🐇
12:24 PM
@PepinmystepIV
that's what the word denotes and what Catholics mean by it
12:24 PM
@Smithistory
I mean, I would imagine we would both agree there degrees of Islamophobia, but I'm pretty sure the TLC is not George W. Bush Christians.
12:24 PM
@PepinmystepIV
hence the Nicene Creed is a proclamation as such
12:24 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
Easter is the most important Christian holiday because of the Resurrection - the basis of the Christian narrative. Christmas is just a festival of winter consumerism which was formerly Saturnalia.
12:25 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
@Smithistory "George Bush Christians"?
12:25 PM
@Smithistory
Christian Neo-cons?
12:25 PM
@Smithistory
#2
love wars in the mid east?
12:26 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#3
@Smithistory Christian Crusaders
12:26 PM
@PepinmystepIV
ironically, Baldwin & Pope Leo seem to be holding down Christian morality for the faith tradition(s) before it blows away in the whirlwind of mass hypocrisy. with a name like Baldwin "reveals" all lol
12:26 PM
@Smithistory
#2
we tend to be the misfits who questioned all that.
12:27 PM
@ethan.caughey
@OfficialSecularKoranism There are lots of middle class white people afraid of Muslims in the TLC. I ain't one of 'em habibi.
12:29 PM
@Smithistory
#2
History is weird. Muslim voters in America tended toward the Republican Party before the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.
12:29 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#3
@ethan.caughey Glad to hear it.
12:30 PM
@ethan.caughey
@PepinmystepIV I liked Brian Muraresku's book.
12:31 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#3
@Smithistory Muslims would find the social conservatism of the Republicans attractive.
12:31 PM
@Smithistory
#2
and small government message to the natural immigrant to small business owner pipeline.
12:32 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#3
Most people will hold fast to the Religion of Mum and Dad, especially if Aztecs.
12:32 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#3
@Smithistory Do you know George Washington warned Americans against political parties?
12:33 PM
@Smithistory
#2
So had the American people not been conned by the Neo-cons and the Israel first types, perhaps muslims would still tend toward the Republicans.
12:33 PM
@Smithistory
#2
Of course, but democracy means parties, and single district first past the post voting means a two party system
12:34 PM
@ethan.caughey
@LoricaSancta Morning Jer!
12:37 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#3
@Smithistory Muslims would see political parties as sectarianism.
12:39 PM
@Smithistory
#2
don't most muslim majority countries that are democracies have political parties?
12:44 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#3
Religion is not showtime, folks.
12:44 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#3
There is a lot of blending and mixing and matching for cheap novelty.
12:46 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#3
Secular Koranism is just a legal system.
12:47 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#3
CCTV in the matrimonial home is when one spouse accuses another of abuse.
12:48 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#3
Secular Koranism is not a belief system. You can be Christian/Hindu/Jewish/Buddhist/atheist/agnostic and be a Secular Koranist.
12:49 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#3
You cannot be part of a belief system or religious group if you don't say you believe in its narrative. Secular Koranism uncompromisingly supports the First Amendment with 2:256 of the Koran.
12:49 PM
@Smithistory
#2
yeah, i think most of us like classical liberalism as a legal philosophy. I blame the progressive era for the breakdown in community in the US.
12:50 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#3
Olson, do you accept that you strawmanned Secular Koranism when you claimed CCTV in the matrimonial home after an accusation of spousal abuse is not showtime but the gathering of evidence?
12:51 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#3
I suppose for Olson, Secular Koranism will be a box of snakes and scorpions he will refuse to open because of his unacknowledged Islamophobia.
12:52 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#3
Does Olson support no fault divorce?
12:52 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#3
Why would anyone come after you, Olson?
12:53 PM
@Smithistory
#2
pics or it didn't happen
12:53 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#3
Shouldn't the spouse accused of abuse be able to prove he is not guilty?
12:54 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#3
Olson apparently cannot understand the difference between a religious ritual and a rule of evidence. His Islamophobia prevents him from accepting my explanation.
12:55 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#3
I bet Olson's wife is an Islamophobe and a half.
12:57 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
Olson could just deny that his wife is not an Islamophobe.
12:57 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
Just ask "How am I a racist?"
12:58 PM
@teestrypzSOG
#2
What's the Christian version of Islamophobe?
1:04 PM
@teestrypzSOG
#2
Secular Korsnism is objectively retarded
1:06 PM
@teestrypzSOG
#2
If I was a captain of a boat in this flotilla, Claire would have restricted access
1:07 PM
@teestrypzSOG
#2
Certainly she wouldn't be allowed to broadcast her blasphemy on Easter Sunday
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1:16:00 CLAIRE KHAW joins attempting to assure Christians that Secular Koranism is intended to help Americans and is not the box of scorpions and snakes that they think it is.
Ethan Caughey: "I will never convert to Secular Koranism."
1:17:00 Is US law moral enough?
1:18:00 I reject the suggestion that calling Secular Koranism by another name would make it more acceptable.
1:20:00 I am claiming Secular Koranism is a better interpretation of sharia than the believing Muslim kind of sharia.
The Caliphate was abolished in 1924.
1:21:00 Absolute monarchs will abuse their power.
1:22:00 There were only four rightly guided Caliphs, which means the rest of them were not rightly guided.
1:22:00 I am a failed writer, too, apparently.
1:24:00 Understand what someone is trying to tell you before you decide you dislike and distrust them.
1:25:00 Proposition Nation
1:26:00 Because of the separation of church and state, nothing would change even if church attendance increased exponentially.
1:27:00 Nancy Pelosi is a fake Catholic. American politicians pretend to be Christian.
1:28:00 Half-Way Covenant 1662
1:29:00 Christianity is different in different parts of America.
1:30:00 The transforming power of belief
People act on their beliefs.
Groups need a reason to exist ie a group objective and therefore need a group identity as well as values and principles to regulate the behaviour of its members.
1:31:00 A functioning moral system
1:32:00 The badges of identity
1:33:00 Imperial Reform
1:34:00 A mercantile empire
1:35:00 WW3
1:36:00 The Fourth Estate
1:37:00 Israel
1:38:00 God is charge.
1:39:00 God gives us the rope we ask for to hang ourselves with.
1:40:00 God if He exists is morally perfect and moves in mysterious ways.
1:41:00 A good idea
1:42:00 A pilot scheme, a social and political experiment
1:43:00 3000 idolaters were executed by Moses.
1:44:00 Systems maintenance is boring.
1:46:00 Labour shortage
1:47:00 Religion needs to support marriage.
1:48:00 Lowering the status of people we consider to be sex offenders
1:49:00 We want the government to do stuff.
1:51:00 CCTV in the matrimonial home after no fault divorce is abolished
1:52:00 Trigger words and trigger warnings prevent rational discourse.
1:53:00 Democracy did not survive in Ancient Greece and Rome.
1:54:00 Idolatry
Protecting the next generation from the culture
1:55:00 The propositions of a proposition nation
1:56:00 Shooting the lawyers in a revolution
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