From the 32nd minute:
Paddy O'Donell:
Councillor Rozanne Duncan's comments - are they racist?
Nigel Farage:
"Yes, undoubtedly; they were horrible, and that's why we got rid of her."
Ukip Councillor Who Has A Problem With Negroes Tells LBC: I Don't Want To Look At Black People http://t.co/kuwN5tMqcj via @audioBoom
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) February 24, 2015
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/02/23/ukip-meet-the-ukippers-rozanne-duncan_n_6734266.html
When asked by LBC if she wanted to tackle her irrational prejudice, Duncan said she felt no reason to.
"I hardly see any [black people] here. There are so few here. There is no reason to have any contact with them. We choose our social friends by virtue of our habits, our likes and dislikes. Our close friends are dog lovers and smokers. I can't think of anywhere in Thanet where there are any and it's not that I choose to live here because of that."
But would she like to visit a part of the country where there was more of a mix of people, in order to confront her prejudice? The answer would be no, but she doesn't mind seeing black people when she's on holiday, in the same way she doesn't mind seeing snails on a foreign menu.
"I wouldn't want to address it in that way, no. But I have travelled and been to other parts of the country. I went sailing in the Caribbean for instance. That was ok. It's their country. If you go to another country, you should adopt their ethos. In France you expect to see snails on the menu, whether you like them or not."
Probed later on whether she had had dinner in a restaurant with black people while in the Caribbean, Duncan admitted that she had, despite then being reminded that she had said she would prefer not to go to a dinner party with a black person.
So would she still prefer not to go? "Not by choice." Except when in Caribbean? "It really is a problem for me."
@ChadFrickley @UKIP Rozanne Duncan would have been great for debating the issue of racism generally.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) February 23, 2015
@ChadFrickley @UKIP Rozanne Duncan did not believe her comments were racist and we do not have a legal definition of racism.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) February 23, 2015
@ChadFrickley @UKIP It would be more fun to let @rozanne_duncan explain to the media on @BBCNewsnight why she was not being racist, surely?
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) February 23, 2015
@ChadFrickley @UKIP @rozanne_duncan @BBCNewsnight No, I don't think they are acceptable BUT I WANT A LEGAL DEFINITION OF RACISM.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) February 23, 2015
@ChadFrickley @UKIP @rozanne_duncan @BBCNewsnight I don't think saying something found to be offensive by another race is by racism.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) February 23, 2015
@ChadFrickley @rozanne_duncan @BBCNewsnight Once we have a legal definition of #racism #UKIP wd b better protected against such accusations.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) February 23, 2015
@ChadFrickley @rozanne_duncan @BBCNewsnight If we have a legal definition of racism @UKIP will know what not to say.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) February 23, 2015
@ChadFrickley @UKIP @rozanne_duncan @BBCNewsnight Exactly! Sometimes one really does not intend to give offence but it is taken nevertheless
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) February 23, 2015
@ntfem @UKIP @rozanne_duncan @BBCNewsnight it's a tricky one.... It would be nice to get a care defection of racism... TBC.
— Chad Thomas (@ChadFrickley) February 23, 2015
@el01csy @PaddyBriggs How would you define racism? Rozanne Duncann doesn't think she is racist.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) February 24, 2015
@el01csy @PaddyBriggs Rozanne Duncan was saying she has a phobia about black people. Does that make her racist?
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) February 24, 2015
@el01csy @PaddyBriggs Rozanne Duncan was saying she could not explain why she has a phobia about black people and speculated on the reasons.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) February 24, 2015
@el01csy @PaddyBriggs In my view, you have to do MORE THAN *unintentionally* give offence to be a racist. Would you agree with this?
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) February 24, 2015
@el01csy @PaddyBriggs Even if you do not believe that she what she said was unintentional, we could still discuss this hypothetically.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) February 24, 2015
@el01csy @PaddyBriggs Is it fair to call someone racist if someone UNINTENTIONALLY gives racial offence?
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) February 24, 2015
@el01csy @PaddyBriggs If being racist is the worst thing to be, then it should not be possible to accuse you of being racist UNINTENTIONALLY
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) February 24, 2015
@el01csy @PaddyBriggs Murder is the most serious form of homicide, and it requires you to INTENTIONALLY kill someone.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) February 24, 2015
@el01csy @PaddyBriggs A less serious category of homicide is when you ACCIDENTALLY kill someone ie manslaughter.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) February 24, 2015
@el01csy @PaddyBriggs I am not saying that Rozanne Ducan shouldn't be expelled from UKIP for bringing the party into disrepute.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) February 24, 2015
@el01csy @PaddyBriggs Because to be racist is such a social crime, can u see y I am saying it shd not be possible to be ACCIDENTALLY racist?
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) February 24, 2015
@el01csy @PaddyBriggs My definition of racism is a belief that any race is inherently superior or inferior to another. Would you agree?
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) February 24, 2015
@el01csy @PaddyBriggs An example of a racist policy wd be a proposal to introduce apartheid or discriminate in favour of or against a race.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) February 24, 2015
@el01csy @PaddyBriggs I am saying that racist has not been defined and people don't seem agreed on what racist actually means.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) February 24, 2015
@el01csy @PaddyBriggs I get the impression that Rozanne Duncan genuinely did not think she was being racist when she said what she said.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) February 24, 2015
@el01csy @PaddyBriggs I believe the reason why Rozanne Duncan was saying she was not racist is simply because she had not intended to offend
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) February 24, 2015
@el01csy @PaddyBriggs Would you agree that to INTENTIONALLY do something bad is worse than UNINTENTIONALLY doing something bad?
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) February 24, 2015
@el01csy @PaddyBriggs Have you never UNINTENTIONALLY given offence?
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) February 24, 2015
@el01csy @PaddyBriggs I know most people find it difficult to follow what I am saying because they cannot deal with abstract ideas.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) February 24, 2015
@el01csy @PaddyBriggs Examples of abstract ideas I have used: definition, racism, intention, inherently superior or inferior, fairness etc.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) February 24, 2015
@el01csy @PaddyBriggs I have also invited you to make comparisons between doing something bad intentionally and doing it unintentionally.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) February 24, 2015
@el01csy @PaddyBriggs You probably think Rozanne Duncan is pretending that she did not *intentionally* give offence, which is fair enough.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) February 24, 2015
@el01csy @PaddyBriggs For the sake of argument, we could pretend that we both believe that she did not INTEND to give offence.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) February 24, 2015
@el01csy @PaddyBriggs For the sake of argument, we could pretend that Rozanne Duncan genuinely believes she was not being racist.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) February 24, 2015
@el01csy For the sake of argument we could pretend Rozanne Duncan didn't think she was being racist cos she did not INTEND to give offence.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) February 24, 2015
@el01csy @PaddyBriggs I am not really interested in defending Rozanne Duncan, which is not what I am trying to do at all.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) February 24, 2015
@el01csy @PaddyBriggs I am trying to tell you that it would be HELPFUL if we had a legal definition of RACIST.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) February 24, 2015
@el01csy @PaddyBriggs Because being racist is such a bad thing to be, I am saying it should not be possible to be ACCIDENTALLY racist.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) February 24, 2015
@el01csy @PaddyBriggs If Rozanne Duncan sued Nigel Farage for defamation then it would be come a legal matter, wouldn't it?
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) February 24, 2015
@el01csy @PaddyBriggs We could say that Rozanne Duncan was being negrophobic, couldn't we?
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) February 24, 2015
@el01csy @PaddyBriggs A phobia is an IRRATIONAL hatred and fear, isn't it?
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) February 24, 2015
@el01csy If racism were a crime should it be a crime that we can commit UNINTENTIONALLY? Would you like to answer this question?
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) February 24, 2015
@el01csy Because it would make it easier for us to AVOID being ACCIDENTALLY racist, wouldn't it?
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) February 24, 2015
@el01csy People are so easily offended these days. I think it is quite easy to give UNINTENTIONAL offence, don't you?
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) February 24, 2015
@el01csy Should we be punished equally harshly for giving UNINTENTIONAL offence as for giving DELIBERATE AND GRATUITOUS offence?
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) February 24, 2015
@el01csy Some might argue that we should not be punished for giving offence at all if we are to have free speech.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) February 24, 2015
@el01csy Years go I was on holiday with a brother and sister and they were arguing. The sister said the brother had been offensive.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) February 24, 2015
@el01csy The brother said he had not been offensive because he had NOT INTENDED to be offensive to a family friend of theirs.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) February 24, 2015
@el01csy The sister insisted her brother had been offensive because their family friend had clearly been offended. They asked me my views.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) February 24, 2015
@el01csy I said if someone found what you did or said offensive then you are by definition offensive whether you intended to be or not.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) February 24, 2015
@el01csy I am saying that being RACIST should be MORE THAN than just being offensive UNINTENTIONALLY and ACCIDENTALLY.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) February 24, 2015
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