1:40:00 CLAIRE KHAW joins.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coin_pusher
10:42 AM
@LIBERALARTS-b6y
#2
paradoxes in science defy our understanding of physics, astronomy, and biology, etc. A philosophical paradox challenges our understand core concepts like truth, space, time, identity, and morality.
10:42 AM
@LIBERALARTS-b6y
#2
Paradoxes are not solvable problems
10:46 AM
@LIBERALARTS-b6y
#2
cant comprehend the universe because of perspective dilemma
10:47 AM
@anselman3156
#3
The greater miracle is surely regeneration: being elevated to divine sonship in Christ. Becoming a partaker of the divine nature. Being a Christian is a miracle.
10:48 AM
@anselman3156
#3
The spiritual transformation is more important than physical healing and other physical phenomena
10:51 AM
@LIBERALARTS-b6y
#2
recognize the genre, authorial intent, cultural context of the text you are reading. If an ancient 2nd century BCE text and narrative limits the lens you view reality, then "we have a problem Houston"
10:55 AM
@LIBERALARTS-b6y
#2
good research seeks to test ideas with an open mind. You should let the data show the true result, even if it proves your guess is wrong. ie methodology
10:56 AM
@LIBERALARTS-b6y
#2
if you are seeking truth
10:56 AM
@anselman3156
#3
Paul got caught up to vision of heaven and had powerful experience of God's love despite bodily infirmity
11:00 AM
@LIBERALARTS-b6y
#2
sophists & apologists use rhetorical semantic, strategic manipulation of word meanings, definitions, and framing, to persuade audiences, prioritizing or defense of a position over objective truth.
11:00 AM
@anselman3156
#3
Paul, like Moses, knew his speech and physical presence were not naturally impressive, yet God shone through in them and his glory was seen
11:02 AM
@LIBERALARTS-b6y
#2
actually Brett, theologians lost the historicity argument during 19th and 20th century
11:04 AM
@LIBERALARTS-b6y
#2
Bee, it stood because of the Inquisition- eg Propaganda Fide
11:05 AM
@AT_Shipley
Was Jesus able to perform miracles because he was God or because He was filled with the Spirit without measure?
11:06 AM
@anselman3156
#3
Both. God and man
11:07 AM
@LIBERALARTS-b6y
#2
"true" in what sense?
11:08 AM
@LIBERALARTS-b6y
#2
"heart see it" is abstraction
11:10 AM
@LIBERALARTS-b6y
#2
your worldview has been framed by theological dogmatic doctrines not reality
11:11 AM
@LIBERALARTS-b6y
#2
regurgitating talking points doesn't make them anymore true
11:12 AM
@anselman3156
#3
I will soon have the anniversary of a meeting with the Lord Jesus which drove out all doubts
11:15 AM
@LIBERALARTS-b6y
#2
ross douthat made the point that people use terms to describe things they don't comprehend - ie Argument on Vague Terminology: Empty Signifiers, Lack of Consensus, Masking Confusion, etc
11:16 AM
@MessiahSubstitute
Just because you have not witnessed a miracle does not mean God does not exist to punish evil.
11:16 AM
@YoavBressler
God punishing evil? Citation needed.
11:17 AM
@LIBERALARTS-b6y
#2
true vs truth vs The Truth
11:17 AM
@LIBERALARTS-b6y
#2
"True" is an adjective used to describe something correct or real.
11:18 AM
@MessiahSubstitute
The sin of idolatry is its own punishment. After WW3 breaks out, non-whites will be hunting whites identifying as Christian for sport, if there are still people left.
11:18 AM
@LIBERALARTS-b6y
#2
"Truth" is a noun meaning the actual fact or reality.
11:18 AM
@anselman3156
#3
John 18.
11:18 AM
@LIBERALARTS-b6y
#2
The Truth" adds a definite article, often implying the full, objective reality of a situation as opposed to partial perspectives or lies.
11:18 AM
@MessiahSubstitute
Christians are the people who start World Wars.
11:18 AM
@MessiahSubstitute
No more Christians, no more World Wars.
11:18 AM
@anselman3156
#3
John 18.37
11:19 AM
@anselman3156
#3
John 18.37
11:19 AM
@YoavBressler
#3
Ever heard of the Egypt vs. Hittites word war?
11:20 AM
@LIBERALARTS-b6y
#2
Brett prefers meta-metaphors of supermetaphors
11:20 AM
@MessiahSubstitute
Jews and Muslims suffer because they won't tell Christians what they really think of their religion of worshiping an executed blasphemer.
11:20 AM
@MessiahSubstitute
People don't want to be Christian because they can't stand the hypocrisy and absurdity of Christian beliefs.
11:22 AM
@MessiahSubstitute
@YoavBressler What about that war?
11:22 AM
@YoavBressler
#2
It involved all the known world
11:23 AM
@MessiahSubstitute
Christians labour under the misapprehension that Jesus is God. They don't even have the theory of the Abrahamic God right.
11:23 AM
@YoavBressler
#2
Ended in a peace treaty and then everybody died.
11:23 AM
@MessiahSubstitute
@YoavBressler You want to give Christians a free pass because you are a secular Jew.
11:24 AM
@MessiahSubstitute
@YoavBressler The parties to that war were idolaters.
11:24 AM
@LIBERALARTS-b6y
you can't understand the cultural context of "bread and wine" without grasping the milieu of Hellinistic mystery rite cults
11:24 AM
@MessiahSubstitute
The problem with Jews is that they utterly failed to convey the ICK OF IDOLATRY.
11:25 AM
@AT_Shipley
Feel like Olson missed quote opportunity earlier. “You can’t handle the truth!”
11:25 AM
@MessiahSubstitute
@LIBERALARTS-b6y The Eucharist is cosplay cannibalism.
11:26 AM
@ChadMatthewAlbin
Why do you think the answer is “I don’t think that means what we think it means @ do we get to pick and choose?
11:26 AM
@YoavBressler
#2
what would jews in the east know about Hellenistic *mystery* cults?
11:26 AM
@MessiahSubstitute
@YoavBressler You think it is just as dumb to worship one deity as it is to worship more than one. And you don't care if these Christians worship a deity called Trinny.
11:27 AM
@LIBERALARTS-b6y
come on Olson, defend 1600 years of theological semantics on a 2nd century BCE compilation of Alexandrian texts produced as a national origin myth and polemic against the Persian & Greek colonialism
11:29 AM
@ChadMatthewAlbin
Mark 6-5 He could not do any miracles there, except lay his hands on a few sick people and heal them.
11:31 AM
@LIBERALARTS-b6y
the medieval concept of "Jew" didn't exist during Hellinistic period as you mean it. Yehudi / Ioudaios originally meant an inhabitant of a geographic region.
11:33 AM
@LIBERALARTS-b6y
projecting yourself or your modern mindset back into history is a specific type of anachronism often called presentism
11:35 AM
@ChadMatthewAlbin
#2
Brett doesn’t believe in miracles? Sad
11:35 AM
@ChadMatthewAlbin
#2
This is a vanity issue
11:37 AM
@ChadMatthewAlbin
#2
That’s the most absurd and sad statement I’ve over heard a so called Christian utter
11:37 AM
@anselman3156
Your focus on physical phenomena is ignoring the supernatural character of the Christian spiritual life, the reality of receiving the divine nature by regeneration, and walking in the Spirit
11:39 AM
@anselman3156
It is a miracle to be brought into existence at conception, and a miracle to be born again to divine life in baptism
11:41 AM
@ChadMatthewAlbin
#2
So you think you have to be a certain status “disciple” to perform miracles. But the people he chose should be a pattern that proves his sovereign authority.
11:41 AM
@ChadMatthewAlbin
#2
I’m not losing my mind
11:42 AM
@LIBERALARTS-b6y
#3
"raise from the dead" indicates mystery rite tradition
11:42 AM
@ChadMatthewAlbin
#2
Bro
11:44 AM
@anselman3156
The Lord Jesus gave physical food miraculously but pointed to the higher value of spiritual food. Yes stefanie
11:44 AM
@LIBERALARTS-b6y
#3
God is an old germanic word gutt meaning 🫗 libation - ie astrological Aquarius ♒
11:44 AM
@LIBERALARTS-b6y
#3
pouring*
11:44 AM
@anselman3156
Feeding on the Lord Jesus is more wonderful
11:45 AM
@LIBERALARTS-b6y
#3
Lucifer is the Morningstar
11:45 AM
@anselman3156
My family has known answers to prayer for physical healing. It does happen
11:45 AM
@LIBERALARTS-b6y
#3
Venus
11:46 AM
@LIBERALARTS-b6y
#3
I think that PVK is a charlatan and Ron a pseudo guru.
11:48 AM
@LIBERALARTS-b6y
#3
Brett actually made a goid faith effort to be clear in his language about miracles.. See miracles do exist, i agree with Brett in that instance to a degree 😉
11:48 AM
@LIBERALARTS-b6y
#3
good faith*
11:52 AM
@LIBERALARTS-b6y
#3
Afrikaans colonial settlers calling African supernatural spirituality as bad or evil is a bit rich
11:53 AM
@LIBERALARTS-b6y
#3
"Nordic myths good, Bantu myths bad" ~Bam Bam from Flintstones
11:56 AM
@LIBERALARTS-b6y
#3
EO still use the terminology of being "initiated into the mystery rite"
11:57 AM
@anselman3156
Seek and ye shall find. God wants you to make the effort to seek him.
11:57 AM
@ChadMatthewAlbin
#3
What would happen if you seen a person raised from the dead by someone? What would you say it is? A demon?
11:57 AM
@anselman3156
#1
God made all of us that we should seek him, and he rewards seeking
1:24:57
@anselman3156
Jesus wants us to go beyond "we want bread" to "we want thee"
1:25:35
@UlyssesUnitarian
The meaning of suffering is not yet understood by Stefanie.
1:29:09
@stefaniecristos8514
Claire, you have been helping me understand it…☺
1:31:37
@RonCopperman
hope and maybe faith that it will allll work out
1:32:03
@RonCopperman
even during the unfun parts
1:33:53
@stefaniecristos8514
Thanks for the hospitality, Brett. I continue to hope (and almost believe, today) for the miracle that all shall be saved. 🙏❤
1:35:10
@RonCopperman
+2 for Brett's "is it helpful "
1:36:29
@RonCopperman
LIB, I was wone of dem....I understand what ur saying. But there is more yo yhe story...
1:38:35
@stefaniecristos8514
LIB, I have no problem with that, isn’t it the Cosmic Christ concept?
1:39:13
@RonCopperman
its about DR. v...therebpeople in his life I've talked with. They are concerned but have to let this spiritual relationship play out , even if it goes bad.
1:39:25
@UlyssesUnitarian
It's so simple really.
1:40:06
@RonCopperman
because even when(if) it goes bad, that can be part of a process of comming to faith
1:40:18
@alohm
Going for a personal record?
1:41:08
@RonCopperman
I may have yo go smoke a joint
1:41:21
@RonCopperman
we'll see...
1:41:56
@RonCopperman
or maybe a bong hit...
1:42:11
@alohm
Jesus was the most impactful event/person in history - give me another as powerful? 😉
1:42:14
@RonCopperman
bubble bubble bubble 🫧
1:42:23
@stefaniecristos8514
Christians make it so hard to be Christian.
1:43:06
@RonCopperman
I NEVER EXHAILED !
1:43:20
@alohm
I recognize the picture it is an Indigenous person smoking non ganga 😉
1:43:26
@stefaniecristos8514
I’m including myself of course….
1:43:28
@RonCopperman
put that on a t-shirt
1:44:34
@alohm
Is Claire an atheist?
1:44:53
@RonCopperman
al, no
1:44:57
@RonCopperman
I think
1:45:03
@alohm
weird?
1:45:04
@stefaniecristos8514
She’s Agnostic, Alohm
1:45:18
@alohm
of course
1:45:29
@RonCopperman
hummm, I may be wrong....ooops. i don't know to be honest.
1:46:12
@alohm
Agnostic today and atheist is about the same position imo
1:46:47
@RonCopperman
Brett, you're beard looks so Orthadox. You could grift it hard : )
1:47:21
@alohm
I read the bible as a kid - then again for education(philology etc.) wasn't until I really read it as an adult that it resonated - it transforms when we actually engage not just read?
1:47:42
@RonCopperman
al, 10-4
1:48:54
@RonCopperman
gradual and sudden, it can be both
1:49:08
@RonCopperman
and both in the same time
1:49:24
@alohm
Trying to explain God or belief in God or miracles is so weird to me. It is so personal and beyond words?
1:49:42
@stefaniecristos8514
I’m having a Yellow light kinda morning.
1:49:57
@RonCopperman
Lib, one is a doppelganger!
1:50:06
@RonCopperman
get yhe holy water
1:50:23
@alohm
Can we follow the mandates without certainty? I say absolutely.
1:51:38
@RonCopperman
...so have a green light kind a day, now...
1:51:42
@alohm
koinonia and kenosis - all we need to strive fr 😉
1:52:13
@stefaniecristos8514
You’re the best Ron. Thank you for all the times you’ve prayed for me and my prayer requests.
1:52:39
@alohm
That is why I love Koinonia- is a metaphysical communion with God, the spirit and each other.
1:52:41
@RonCopperman
u r sooo welcome
1:52:53
@RonCopperman
(yhe bill is in the mail)
1:53:11
@alohm
Be still and know who God is, not me...
1:54:48
@alohm
To walk with kings but keep the common touch - to watch the truths you spoke - twisted by fools
1:55:05
@RonCopperman
(liking this quite a bit)
1:55:41
@RonCopperman
Loads prayer for 200
1:55:54
@alohm
Thy will be done - even without certainty this puts the ego in check - not about us
1:56:58
@alohm
Suffering is the beginning of wisdom? Acceptance of suffering?
1:57:11
@stefaniecristos8514
Forgive us as we forgive - that’s about cooperating
1:59:44
@RonCopperman
Paul is a good example
1:59:53
@stefaniecristos8514
Chad, He can do all things. Still they must play a role…walk through the door?
2:02:18
@anselman3156
God being good has obligated himself to save those who are willing to receive it
2:03:25
@anselman3156
God takes responsibility for letting you be born into a fallen world, and therefore offers you the way to transcend that
2:06:21
@MarcInTbilisi
What would Brian Boitano do?
2:06:28
@UlyssesUnitarian
We never asked to be born, and we were born. We were never asked for eternal life, but it seems it is on offer with two kinds of afterlife that makes us feel is fair enough. What's not to like?
2:08:06
@UlyssesUnitarian
Even if God does not exist, the belief that good will be rewarded and evil punished would make us more likely to obey His laws thus making the world a better place enjoying accountable government.
2:21:59
@bibliobison
I live in spiritual pain - which I receive as a blessing
2:23:06
@bibliobison
Thx LiberalArts... I don't understand why Brett wants to categorize & draw lines all over the place
2:23:41
@bibliobison
But I love words like pharmakon & pharmakeia
2:25:26
@bibliobison
I don't see why anything & everything can't be a miracle of God - including being itself - aside from all that goes on in it - wtf we feel
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