Saturday, 15 August 2026

Claire Khaw equates believing in God to a game of Coin Pusher


1:40:00  CLAIRE KHAW joins.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coin_pusher

10:42 AM
@LIBERALARTS-b6y
​#2
​paradoxes in science defy our understanding of physics, astronomy, and biology, etc. A philosophical paradox challenges our understand core concepts like truth, space, time, identity, and morality.

10:42 AM
@LIBERALARTS-b6y
#2
​Paradoxes are not solvable problems

10:46 AM
@LIBERALARTS-b6y
#2
​cant comprehend the universe because of perspective dilemma

10:47 AM
@anselman3156
#3
​The greater miracle is surely regeneration: being elevated to divine sonship in Christ. Becoming a partaker of the divine nature. Being a Christian is a miracle.

10:48 AM
@anselman3156
#3
​The spiritual transformation is more important than physical healing and other physical phenomena

10:51 AM
@LIBERALARTS-b6y
#2
​recognize the genre, authorial intent, cultural context of the text you are reading. If an ancient 2nd century BCE text and narrative limits the lens you view reality, then "we have a problem Houston"

10:55 AM
@LIBERALARTS-b6y
#2
​good research seeks to test ideas with an open mind. You should let the data show the true result, even if it proves your guess is wrong. ie methodology

10:56 AM
@LIBERALARTS-b6y
#2
​if you are seeking truth

10:56 AM
@anselman3156
#3
​Paul got caught up to vision of heaven and had powerful experience of God's love despite bodily infirmity

11:00 AM
@LIBERALARTS-b6y
#2
​sophists & apologists use rhetorical semantic, strategic manipulation of word meanings, definitions, and framing, to persuade audiences, prioritizing or defense of a position over objective truth.

11:00 AM
@anselman3156
#3
​Paul, like Moses, knew his speech and physical presence were not naturally impressive, yet God shone through in them and his glory was seen

11:02 AM
@LIBERALARTS-b6y
#2
​actually Brett, theologians lost the historicity argument during 19th and 20th century

11:04 AM
@LIBERALARTS-b6y
#2
​Bee, it stood because of the Inquisition- eg Propaganda Fide

11:05 AM
@AT_Shipley
​​Was Jesus able to perform miracles because he was God or because He was filled with the Spirit without measure?

11:06 AM
@anselman3156
#3
​Both. God and man

11:07 AM
@LIBERALARTS-b6y
#2
​"true" in what sense?

11:08 AM
@LIBERALARTS-b6y
#2
​"heart see it" is abstraction

11:10 AM
@LIBERALARTS-b6y
#2
​your worldview has been framed by theological dogmatic doctrines not reality

11:11 AM
@LIBERALARTS-b6y
#2
​regurgitating talking points doesn't make them anymore true

11:12 AM
@anselman3156
#3
​I will soon have the anniversary of a meeting with the Lord Jesus which drove out all doubts

11:15 AM
@LIBERALARTS-b6y
#2
​ross douthat made the point that people use terms to describe things they don't comprehend - ie Argument on Vague Terminology: Empty Signifiers, Lack of Consensus, Masking Confusion, etc

11:16 AM
@MessiahSubstitute
​​Just because you have not witnessed a miracle does not mean God does not exist to punish evil.

11:16 AM
@YoavBressler
​​God punishing evil? Citation needed.

11:17 AM
@LIBERALARTS-b6y
#2
​true vs truth vs The Truth

11:17 AM
@LIBERALARTS-b6y
#2
​"True" is an adjective used to describe something correct or real.

11:18 AM
@MessiahSubstitute
​​The sin of idolatry is its own punishment. After WW3 breaks out, non-whites will be hunting whites identifying as Christian for sport, if there are still people left.

11:18 AM
@LIBERALARTS-b6y
#2
​"Truth" is a noun meaning the actual fact or reality.

11:18 AM
@anselman3156
#3
​John 18.

11:18 AM
@LIBERALARTS-b6y
#2
​The Truth" adds a definite article, often implying the full, objective reality of a situation as opposed to partial perspectives or lies.

11:18 AM
@MessiahSubstitute
​​Christians are the people who start World Wars.

11:18 AM
@MessiahSubstitute
​​No more Christians, no more World Wars.

11:18 AM
@anselman3156
#3
​John 18.37

11:19 AM
@anselman3156
#3
​John 18.37

11:19 AM
@YoavBressler
#3
​Ever heard of the Egypt vs. Hittites word war?

11:20 AM
@LIBERALARTS-b6y
#2
​Brett prefers meta-metaphors of supermetaphors

11:20 AM
@MessiahSubstitute
​​Jews and Muslims suffer because they won't tell Christians what they really think of their religion of worshiping an executed blasphemer.

11:20 AM
@MessiahSubstitute
​​People don't want to be Christian because they can't stand the hypocrisy and absurdity of Christian beliefs.

11:22 AM
@MessiahSubstitute
​​@YoavBressler What about that war?

11:22 AM
@YoavBressler
#2
​It involved all the known world

11:23 AM
@MessiahSubstitute
​​Christians labour under the misapprehension that Jesus is God. They don't even have the theory of the Abrahamic God right.

11:23 AM
@YoavBressler
#2
​Ended in a peace treaty and then everybody died.

11:23 AM
@MessiahSubstitute
​​@YoavBressler You want to give Christians a free pass because you are a secular Jew.

11:24 AM
@MessiahSubstitute
​​@YoavBressler The parties to that war were idolaters.

11:24 AM
@LIBERALARTS-b6y
​​you can't understand the cultural context of "bread and wine" without grasping the milieu of Hellinistic mystery rite cults

11:24 AM
@MessiahSubstitute
​​The problem with Jews is that they utterly failed to convey the ICK OF IDOLATRY.

11:25 AM
@AT_Shipley
​​Feel like Olson missed quote opportunity earlier. “You can’t handle the truth!”

11:25 AM
@MessiahSubstitute
​​@LIBERALARTS-b6y The Eucharist is cosplay cannibalism.

11:26 AM
@ChadMatthewAlbin
​​Why do you think the answer is “I don’t think that means what we think it means @ do we get to pick and choose?

11:26 AM
@YoavBressler
#2
​what would jews in the east know about Hellenistic *mystery* cults?

11:26 AM
@MessiahSubstitute
​​@YoavBressler You think it is just as dumb to worship one deity as it is to worship more than one. And you don't care if these Christians worship a deity called Trinny.

11:27 AM
@LIBERALARTS-b6y
​​come on Olson, defend 1600 years of theological semantics on a 2nd century BCE compilation of Alexandrian texts produced as a national origin myth and polemic against the Persian & Greek colonialism

11:29 AM
@ChadMatthewAlbin
​​Mark 6-5 He could not do any miracles there, except lay his hands on a few sick people and heal them.

11:31 AM
@LIBERALARTS-b6y
​​the medieval concept of "Jew" didn't exist during Hellinistic period as you mean it. Yehudi / Ioudaios originally meant an inhabitant of a geographic region.

11:33 AM
@LIBERALARTS-b6y
​​projecting yourself or your modern mindset back into history is a specific type of anachronism often called presentism

11:35 AM
@ChadMatthewAlbin
#2
​Brett doesn’t believe in miracles? Sad

11:35 AM
@ChadMatthewAlbin
#2
​This is a vanity issue

11:37 AM
@ChadMatthewAlbin
#2
​That’s the most absurd and sad statement I’ve over heard a so called Christian utter

11:37 AM
@anselman3156
​​Your focus on physical phenomena is ignoring the supernatural character of the Christian spiritual life, the reality of receiving the divine nature by regeneration, and walking in the Spirit

11:39 AM
@anselman3156
​​It is a miracle to be brought into existence at conception, and a miracle to be born again to divine life in baptism

11:41 AM
@ChadMatthewAlbin
#2
​So you think you have to be a certain status “disciple” to perform miracles. But the people he chose should be a pattern that proves his sovereign authority.

11:41 AM
@ChadMatthewAlbin
#2
​I’m not losing my mind

11:42 AM
@LIBERALARTS-b6y
#3
​"raise from the dead" indicates mystery rite tradition

11:42 AM
@ChadMatthewAlbin
#2
​Bro

11:44 AM
@anselman3156
​​The Lord Jesus gave physical food miraculously but pointed to the higher value of spiritual food. Yes stefanie

11:44 AM
@LIBERALARTS-b6y
#3
​God is an old germanic word gutt meaning 🫗 libation - ie astrological Aquarius ♒

11:44 AM
@LIBERALARTS-b6y
#3
​pouring*

11:44 AM
@anselman3156
​​Feeding on the Lord Jesus is more wonderful

11:45 AM
@LIBERALARTS-b6y
​#3
​Lucifer is the Morningstar

11:45 AM
@anselman3156
​​My family has known answers to prayer for physical healing. It does happen

11:45 AM
@LIBERALARTS-b6y
#3
​Venus

11:46 AM
@LIBERALARTS-b6y
#3
​I think that PVK is a charlatan and Ron a pseudo guru.

11:48 AM
@LIBERALARTS-b6y
#3
​Brett actually made a goid faith effort to be clear in his language about miracles.. See miracles do exist, i agree with Brett in that instance to a degree 😉

11:48 AM
@LIBERALARTS-b6y
#3
​good faith*

11:52 AM
@LIBERALARTS-b6y
#3
​Afrikaans colonial settlers calling African supernatural spirituality as bad or evil is a bit rich

11:53 AM
@LIBERALARTS-b6y
#3
​"Nordic myths good, Bantu myths bad" ~Bam Bam from Flintstones

11:56 AM
@LIBERALARTS-b6y
#3
​EO still use the terminology of being "initiated into the mystery rite"

11:57 AM
@anselman3156
​​Seek and ye shall find. God wants you to make the effort to seek him.

11:57 AM
@ChadMatthewAlbin
#3
​What would happen if you seen a person raised from the dead by someone? What would you say it is? A demon?

11:57 AM
@anselman3156
#1
​God made all of us that we should seek him, and he rewards seeking

1:24:57
@anselman3156
​​Jesus wants us to go beyond "we want bread" to "we want thee"

1:25:35
@UlyssesUnitarian
​​The meaning of suffering is not yet understood by Stefanie.

1:29:09
@stefaniecristos8514
​​Claire, you have been helping me understand it…☺

1:31:37
@RonCopperman
​​hope and maybe faith that it will allll work out

1:32:03
@RonCopperman
​​even during the unfun parts

1:33:53
@stefaniecristos8514
​​Thanks for the hospitality, Brett. I continue to hope (and almost believe, today) for the miracle that all shall be saved. 🙏❤

1:35:10
@RonCopperman
​​+2 for Brett's "is it helpful "

1:36:29
@RonCopperman
​​LIB, I was wone of dem....I understand what ur saying. But there is more yo yhe story...

1:38:35
@stefaniecristos8514
​​LIB, I have no problem with that, isn’t it the Cosmic Christ concept?

1:39:13
@RonCopperman
​​its about DR. v...therebpeople in his life I've talked with. They are concerned but have to let this spiritual relationship play out , even if it goes bad.

1:39:25
@UlyssesUnitarian
​​It's so simple really.

1:40:06
@RonCopperman
​​because even when(if) it goes bad, that can be part of a process of comming to faith

1:40:18
@alohm
​​Going for a personal record?

1:41:08
@RonCopperman
​​I may have yo go smoke a joint

1:41:21
@RonCopperman
​​we'll see...

1:41:56
@RonCopperman
​​or maybe a bong hit...

1:42:11
@alohm
​​Jesus was the most impactful event/person in history - give me another as powerful? 😉

1:42:14
@RonCopperman
​​bubble bubble bubble 🫧

1:42:23
@stefaniecristos8514
​​Christians make it so hard to be Christian.

1:43:06
@RonCopperman
​​I NEVER EXHAILED !

1:43:20
@alohm
​​I recognize the picture it is an Indigenous person smoking non ganga 😉

1:43:26
@stefaniecristos8514
​​I’m including myself of course….

1:43:28
@RonCopperman
​​put that on a t-shirt

1:44:34
@alohm
​​Is Claire an atheist?

1:44:53
@RonCopperman
​​al, no

1:44:57
@RonCopperman
​​I think

1:45:03
@alohm
​​weird?

1:45:04
@stefaniecristos8514
​​She’s Agnostic, Alohm

1:45:18
@alohm
​​of course

1:45:29
@RonCopperman
​​hummm, I may be wrong....ooops. i don't know to be honest.

1:46:12
@alohm
​​Agnostic today and atheist is about the same position imo

1:46:47
@RonCopperman
​​Brett, you're beard looks so Orthadox. You could grift it hard : )

1:47:21
@alohm
​​I read the bible as a kid - then again for education(philology etc.) wasn't until I really read it as an adult that it resonated - it transforms when we actually engage not just read?

1:47:42
@RonCopperman
​​al, 10-4

1:48:54
@RonCopperman
​​gradual and sudden, it can be both

1:49:08
@RonCopperman
​​and both in the same time

1:49:24
@alohm
​​Trying to explain God or belief in God or miracles is so weird to me. It is so personal and beyond words?

1:49:42
@stefaniecristos8514
​​I’m having a Yellow light kinda morning.

1:49:57
@RonCopperman
​​Lib, one is a doppelganger!

1:50:06
@RonCopperman
​​get yhe holy water

1:50:23
@alohm
​​Can we follow the mandates without certainty? I say absolutely.

1:51:38
@RonCopperman
​​...so have a green light kind a day, now...

1:51:42
@alohm
​​koinonia and kenosis - all we need to strive fr 😉

1:52:13
@stefaniecristos8514
​​You’re the best Ron. Thank you for all the times you’ve prayed for me and my prayer requests.

1:52:39
@alohm
​​That is why I love Koinonia- is a metaphysical communion with God, the spirit and each other.

1:52:41
@RonCopperman
​​u r sooo welcome

1:52:53
@RonCopperman
​​(yhe bill is in the mail)

1:53:11
@alohm
​​Be still and know who God is, not me...

1:54:48
@alohm
​​To walk with kings but keep the common touch - to watch the truths you spoke - twisted by fools

1:55:05
@RonCopperman
​​(liking this quite a bit)

1:55:41
@RonCopperman
​​Loads prayer for 200

1:55:54
@alohm
​​Thy will be done - even without certainty this puts the ego in check - not about us

1:56:58
@alohm
​​Suffering is the beginning of wisdom? Acceptance of suffering?

1:57:11
@stefaniecristos8514
​​Forgive us as we forgive - that’s about cooperating

1:59:44
@RonCopperman
​​Paul is a good example

1:59:53
@stefaniecristos8514
​​Chad, He can do all things. Still they must play a role…walk through the door?

2:02:18
@anselman3156
​​God being good has obligated himself to save those who are willing to receive it

2:03:25
@anselman3156
​​God takes responsibility for letting you be born into a fallen world, and therefore offers you the way to transcend that

2:06:21
@MarcInTbilisi
​​What would Brian Boitano do?

2:06:28
@UlyssesUnitarian
​​We never asked to be born, and we were born. We were never asked for eternal life, but it seems it is on offer with two kinds of afterlife that makes us feel is fair enough. What's not to like?

2:08:06
@UlyssesUnitarian
​​Even if God does not exist, the belief that good will be rewarded and evil punished would make us more likely to obey His laws thus making the world a better place enjoying accountable government.

2:21:59
@bibliobison
​​I live in spiritual pain - which I receive as a blessing

2:23:06
@bibliobison
​​Thx LiberalArts... I don't understand why Brett wants to categorize & draw lines all over the place

2:23:41
@bibliobison
​​But I love words like pharmakon & pharmakeia

2:25:26
@bibliobison
​​I don't see why anything & everything can't be a miracle of God - including being itself - aside from all that goes on in it - wtf we feel

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