Propositions are more important than weaponry

Discussion before action

1:00  Even terrorists start by asking nicely first.

2:00  Is the government provoking and sponsoring violence?

3:00  Belief in God not yet forbidden.

4:00  Being essential is better than being necessary which is better than being useful. 

6:00  Propositions and proposition tyranny

7:00  Beggars can't be choosers.

The most important moral proposition is that God exists to punish evil and reward good in this life and the next. 

This proposition should be supported by anyone who claims to believe in the afterlife eg Jews, Christians, Muslims and Hindus.

Jews are the religious group which came up with the universal moral minimum of the Noahide laws. 

The propositions Jews are supposed to believe in are the 13 Principles of Judaism.

The proposition Christians are supposed to believe in is that Jesus is co-equal to the Abrahamic God who created the Universe, born of a Virgin. 

The proposition Muslims are supposed to believe in is that only the Abrahamic God is worthy of worship and Muhammad is the prophet of Islam. 

Hindus and Buddhists are supposed to believe in reincarnation. 

8:00  US Declaration of Independence was a Letter Before Action to the British monarch. 

9:00  The Declaration of Independence was constructed like a theorem. 

10:00 Pseudo-risto was the one who told me about the Declaration of Independence being constructed like a theorem.  

11:00  The logic of agnosticism

12:00  The law is required to keep the peace. 

13:00  Belief in God makes you more likely to obey His laws. 

14:00  Jews are only 0.2% of the total human population.

15:00  Gentiles would have to choose the divine revelation meant for them ie the Koran. 

Jews if they took the afterlife seriously would have to become Muslim for an easier and less restricted path to heaven. 

 

16:00  Christianity is a spent force and Christians have no convictions. 

17:00  Substack

18:00  Leafleting

Seneca on religion

19:00  Truth, Logic and Morality

20:00  Belief in God would make compliance more likely. 

22:00  Law and order problems could be solved more cheaply with laws that make the punishment fit the crime than by purchase of surveillance equipment.

INTERVAL

28:00  Living together

29:00  Ignorance of the law is no defence. 

30:00  The Koran supports the corporal and capital punishment. 

31:00  Catholicism is a spent force. 

32:00  E Michael Jones and  Adam Green

33:00  Christian Amendment

34:00  The First Amendment

35:00  Propositions that are universally attractive

36:00  Secular Koranism with American Characteristics

37:00  PVK and TLC should pass me up to Tucker Carlson.

Estuary Meetings talking about Secular Koranism

38:00  Sharia applying to Somalians and non-Somalians

39:00  Political organisation promoting a list of propositions

40:00  Reform

41:00  White people are more likely to be childless, gay and transgender. 

45:00  The anti-natalism of white people

46:00  Men have to find propositions to defend. 

48:00  Liberalism is for losers and it is too late to codify it.

49:00  No firm convictions

53:00  Getting the government to do it

54:00  Going global with Secular Koranism

55:00  The narrative of Western penitence

57:00  Secular Koranism is the only viable solution. 

58:00  Westerners have a bad ancestral memory of Christianity.

59:00  AI is SK-aware.

1:00:00  SecularKoranism.blogspot.com

It is idolatry to say material things are by definition better than abstract ideas

https://thevoiceofreason-ann.blogspot.com/2026/07/what-to-think-of-people-who-say.html

20:00  Does any member of TLC have moral convictions they care to defend? If their moral conviction is the Trinity if they claim to be Christian, then their moral convictions are morally and intellectually indefensible, aren't they?

Rabbi Mizrachi debates gentiles; I predict Christians will flee from him but Muslims will be bolder

Rabbi Mizrachi speaks.

8:00  Anticipating debates with antisemites and Muslims

9:00  E Michael Jones says he won't be debating Rabbi Mizrachi.

11:00  Christian YouTube

12:00  How white men can relate to each other - culturally eg movies and bands

13:00  Randos, showing my wounds and Coriolanus

14:00  Weak white men who cannot engage with facts and logic on their own merits but feel they have to like me and of course they cannot like me because they are Islamophobes

15:00  PVK refuses to give moral leadership. 

17:00  Tucker Carlson

Gavn Ortlund, Paul Vanderklay, Sam Harris, Doug Wilson

18:00  E Michael Jones and Charles Moscowitz

19:00  Sneako

20:00  Hamzah Wald Maqbul

Doug Wilson

21:00  Theology

Brett Andres

22:00  Megan Goldsby and Stefanie Goldsby 

24:00  Convictionlessness

25:00  Christians and people who pretend to be Christian

26:00  Theology is about deciding whether Jesus is God. 

27:00  Abdullah Al Andalusi

Islam is absolutely logical. 

28:00  The purpose of the Trinity is to raise the status of an executed blasphemer until this executed blasphemer is the co-equal of the supreme and eternal Abrahamic God who created the Universe.

29:00  The genealogy of Jesus

31:00  Rabbi Mizrachi on Jesus

42:00  Adam Green

44:00  Moralistic Therapeutic Deism

45:00  The Christian practice of heretic burning

46:00  If the Trinity is just a dirty trick and lie to make sure idolaters and blasphemers win the argument against Jews and Muslims, then it means all who lived and died worshiping the Trinity would be damned for dying guilty of two mortal sins. 

47:00  The heresies of Paul Vanderklay talking like a pagan about God No 1 and God No 2 and even omitting to mention the third member of the Trinity

48:00  Rabbi Mizrachi

49:00  Are Americans dumb enough to abolish the First Amendment?

50:00  Lies, corruption, cowardice and cover ups

51:00  Can't these Christians if they are so clever and powerful confer with each other to defend the Trinity by explaining how it is not idolatry and how Jesus is God?

52:00  Brett

53:00  Not cool to be Christian

Being the right kind of Christian in the 21st century

54:00  The Founding Fathers were the first Europeans to move away from Christianity.

55:00  Christendom ended in 1918.

56:00  To the Glory of God

57:00  Bloviating frauds who try to justify the Trinity

58:00  The Koran on international relations and its principles of warfare

59:00  Democracy is for dumbos.

1:00:00  American Republic has removed the political system that requires Europeans to follow the religion of their ancestors. 

1:02:00  Broken beta losers in TLC

1:03:00  Codified principles

1:04:00  A better religion awaits TLC 

1:05:00  Drowned corpse analogy

1:06:00  Do Christomorons in TLC want to return to the Age of Absolute Monarchy?

1:07:00  Telling Christomorons what they need to know

1:09:00  Estuary Meetings

Noahide laws

1:10:00  Chad on idolatry

How is idolatry harmful even if God does not exist to punish anyone for anything?

1:11:00  Historical tragedies

1:12:00  Olson

1:13:00  Men who are citizens of a proposition nation

INTERVAL

1:18:00  Declaration of Independence

1:21:00  Manifest destiny and unalienable rights

1:22:00  A proposition nation is a theocracy, but Stefanie Cristos does not support this. 

1:24:00  Abysmal standards of tertiary education

1:25:00  The British monarch has fewer rights than a US citizen.

1:26:00  The Trinity

1:27:00  quran.com/18/4

1:28:00  Christians have no moral convictions they care to defend.

1:29:00  Trump

1:32:00  The genius of Jefferson

1:34:00  The Jefferson Bible

1:35:00  Middle class Islamophobes

1:36:00  "Like"

Find a coherent sentence in a transcript of TLC

1:37:00  PVK pandering to Islamophobes

1:39:00  Discussing the abolition of no fault divorce with Megan and Stefanie

1:40:00  White people

1:41:00  GG and Ezra

White privilege

1:42:00  Islam is obviously superior to Christianity.

1:43:00  Islamophobes afraid being seen to read the Koran by their wife and family.

1:44:00  Convictionless Christians

1:45:00  Friendship

1:46:00  A relationship with God

1:47:00  Men like Brett who claim to talk to Jesus

1:49:00  A Year of Grace for treating unmarried parents as sex offenders subject to public corporal punishment

1:50:00  Christianity is a racial problem for white people.

1:51:00  Tayo has a managerial position in TLC.

1:52:00  God has forbidden racism.

1:53:00  Antisemites worship a Jew.

1:54:00  Winning the argument with facts and logic

1:56:00  Olson

1:57:00  The consequences of continuing to use Christianity

1:59:00  What the matriarchy wants us to do with ourselves

2:00:00  The solution is Secular Koranism

2:01:00  Global Estuary Meetings

Honor/Shame, Innocence/Guilt, and...Power/Fear

2:00  Patriarchy and social conservatism

5:00  Paul never met Jesus. Not heard of the Jefferson Bible?

AI Overview                 

Muslims view Paul (the Apostle) as the figure responsible for corrupting Jesus' original teachings. They generally believe he distorted a strict, monotheistic message into the foundational doctrines of modern Christianity.

Key reasons for this theological rejection include:

Introduction of the Trinity: Muslims believe Jesus was a mortal prophet. They argue that Paul introduced Hellenistic and Roman concepts, shifting the focus to Jesus' divinity and the concept of the Trinity, which directly contradicts the core Islamic tenet of Tawhid (absolute oneness of God).

Abolishing the Law: Jesus followed and preached strict adherence to Mosaic law. Muslims point out that Paul dismantled these laws, including dietary restrictions and circumcision, thus altering the religious requirements Jesus laid out.

The Doctrine of the Cross: In Islam, Jesus was not crucified; instead, God saved him. Paul's emphasis on salvation through the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus is rejected, as it conflicts with the Islamic view that salvation is achieved through faith and righteous deeds.

AI Overview

Thomas Jefferson excluded the Pauline Epistles from the Jefferson Bible because he viewed Paul as the "first corrupter" of Jesus's original teachings. Jefferson wanted to isolate Jesus’s pure moral philosophy from any theological additions, supernatural claims, or institutional church doctrines. 

Why Jefferson Rejected Paul 

Doctrinal Changes: Jefferson believed Jesus taught a rational, ethical system focused on inward transformation. He felt Paul shifted Christianity away from these moral teachings and toward complex doctrines, such as original sin, the Trinity, and salvation through Christ's blood. 

Distrust of Clergy: As a Deist and Enlightenment thinker, Jefferson was highly critical of organized religion and priests. He considered Pauline theology to be the foundation of a priesthood that used mysticism to accumulate wealth and political power. 

Scope of the Jefferson Bible 

The resulting work, formally titled The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth, was a heavily edited compilation restricted exclusively to the Gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John). Even within the Gospels, Jefferson physically cut and pasted only the ethical verses, while completely removing all accounts of miracles, angels, and the Resurrection. 

You can learn more about Jefferson's religious and philosophical perspectives through resources provided by the Thomas Jefferson Foundation.

Thomas Jefferson was a proto-Muslim Noahide. 

12:00  Christianity is an imperial religion. All imperial religions are civic nationalist. Islam is the better imperial religion because it is the religion with a holy book containing a verse that supports the First Amendment. 

16:00  Different ideas of right and wrong are caused by different ideas of morality in competing moral systems. 

18:00  These are distinctions without a difference. 

20:00  The law is objective.

21:00  Even dogs display shame, guilt and fear.

27:00  Secular Koranism with American Characteristics does not interpret away the wife-beating verse. 

https://secularkoranism.blogspot.com/2025/03/secular-koranist-pamphlet-on-divorce.html

Political theology

1:00  House of Cards built on sand < House of Facts and Logic built on Divine Scripture

4:00  Denial

Moral convictions based on Noahide laws

5:00  Antisemites reject the Noahide laws just because they are Jewish. 

6:00  Antisemitism and their absurd beliefs eg the Trinity

Why do antisemites worship a Jew?

7:00  Rabbi Mizrachi talking Sneako, Adam Green, Megyn Kelly and Tucker Carlson

8:00  Islam and sharia is better than Christianity which is a corpse that should now be buried. 

10:00  Dumb Christians who base their belief in Jesus on a funny feeling they had when they walked  down Camden High Street 20 years ago

11:00  Christians are lowering in status rapidly. 

12:00  There is only one Abrahamic God. 

15:00  Religion is useful.

16:00  Noble lie

17:00  The divine bargain

19:00  Secular political ideologies like Communism becoming the political orthodoxy

22:00  Pseudo-Risto prefers his civilisation to crash and burn

23:00  Pessimism is rejection of God. 

25:00  Convictionless cunts

26:00  The Propositional Tyranny of the Trinity

Nihilists and atheists who don't know why they are here

27:00  Brett has no moral convictions he would like to defend based on facts and logic.

28:00  The political orthodoxy can change from time to time and age and age. 

29:00  Values eg sexual liberation, obedience

30:00  Spirituality

31:00  Outlawing extramarital sex

32:00  Paul Vanderklay has no moral convictions he would like to share. They are certainly not based on the Trinity.

33:00  Political orthodoxy is political theocracy.

34:00  Hypocrites are Hell-bound.

On Tisha B'Av 5786

11:40 AM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

#1

​Tisha B'Av begins at sundown.

11:41 AM

@YoavBressler

#3

​Happy birthday, then, Claire.

11:41 AM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

#1

​Humility and honesty are virtues because they allow us to correct our mistakes more quickly.

11:42 AM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

#1

​@YoavBressler Thanks! It was actually on 4 Av 5786.

11:44 AM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

#1

​I was just using Jewish calendar, Chris. Nothing that secret.

11:44 AM

@YoavBressler

#3

​אבא לא בא בא' באב, אבל אבא בא בב" באב. is a valid hebrew sentence

11:44 AM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

#1

​The Messiah is supposed to have a birthday on Tisha B'Av. That why I am mentioning it.

11:47 AM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

#2

​I listen to the conversation Jacob has on his streams and then I listen to the younger TLC. Quite a contrast. It does highlight the role of religion quite effectively.

11:50 AM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

#1

​MGTOW men say White Knights are stupid.

11:50 AM

@βρεττς

​​Sounds like walking on eggshells to me

11:52 AM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

#1

​Rage baiting is for idolaters who make an idol of their emotions. In an uncertain world, we feel sure when we are feeling angry and fearful. That's how governments start wars with support of cattle.

11:53 AM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

#1

​If most people are atheists and nihilists, the only you can motivate them towards war is to give them narratives that induce greed, fear and anger.

11:54 AM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

#1

​I keep explaining why the rules actually protect you if they are fair enough, but Islamophobes like to worship their idol of Islamophobia.

11:56 AM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

#1

​I will give this to Christians: they are right in saying pride is a deadly sin.

11:56 AM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

#1

​The cattle are allergic to the truth.

11:57 AM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

#1

​Ezra was being hospitable by giving a space for the people who wanted to post in the chat.

11:57 AM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

#1

​Ezra probably wanted a captive audience for the weird music he was playing.

11:58 AM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

#1

​It was music for stoned people.

11:58 AM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

#1

​Most of young TLC are potheads, probably. Ezra has the look of a pothead.

11:58 AM

@SeekingGenuine

​​Did you enjoy that stream, Claire?

11:59 AM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

#2

​There is that glazed look in the eyes.

11:59 AM

@YoavBressler

#3

​Or, like with me on that show, there was a YT bug

12:00 PM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

#2

​@SeekingGenuine It was interesting in that it made me think of the kind of music Ezra made.

12:01 PM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

#2

​Did anyone listen to Sam Tideman stream on God being powerful?

12:01 PM

@SeekingGenuine

#1

​Yeah, Claire, it’s been so interesting listening and watching the art people are into and capable of making

12:01 PM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

#2

​@SeekingGenuine And the kind of pothead audience that would like it.

12:03 PM

@SeekingGenuine

#1

​Haha I suppose so, Claire. It definitely adds to that type of mental state or gets you into a similar mental state

12:03 PM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

​#2

​A lot of people just talk for the sake of talking because they think if they are talking and people are listening they are higher status than listeners.

12:05 PM

@anselman3156

​​Does Brett have favourite theologians on the Trinity?

12:05 PM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

#2

​Christians are supposed to believe in the Trinity but they don't really and it is doing their head in. Clinging to their Christian identity is actually causing them harm.

12:05 PM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

#2

​@anselman3156 I resent you repeating your accusation that I want to persecute Christians.

12:06 PM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

#2

​@anselman3156 The first Trinitarian was Athanasius.

12:06 PM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

#2

​@anselman3156 Under SK there will be a Register of Religions.

12:06 PM

@anselman3156

​​The first Trinitarian was God

12:07 PM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

#2

​@anselman3156 Chapter and verse, please!

12:08 PM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

#2

​Under SK, everyone will be put on a Register of Moral Systems.

12:09 PM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

#2

​In the UK, the police divide the races with IC codes 1 to 5.

12:10 PM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

#2

​There will also be a Register of Races under SK.

12:11 PM

@KenDolli

​​key lime pie too

12:12 PM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

#2

​I was telling Meg and Stefanie about my proposed Register of Unmarried Parents divided into Repentant Unmarried Parents and Repentant Unmarried Parents.

12:13 PM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

#2

​The legitimate offspring of married parents go to A Schools, the illegitimate offspring of unmarried parents would go to B or B+ Schools.

12:14 PM

@KenDolli

​​Key West threaten secession from from the union

12:15 PM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

#2

​If you are an Unrepentant Unmarried Parent ("UUP"), your children would go to B School. If you are a Repentant Unmarried Parent ("RUP"), your children would go B+ School. Is this fair enough?

12:16 PM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

#2

​All three categories of school would have the same facilities and resources.

12:16 PM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

#2

​Under SK, co-education in high school would end.

12:18 PM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

#2

​The American tradition of the high school prom would continue, but under strict adult supervision. In the last year of high school, there would be lessons in ballroom dancing to prepare for prom.

12:19 PM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

#2

​What do you think, @KenDolli?

12:19 PM

@KenDolli

​​Ryan's Anglican cosplay hour, grab your Achilles tights lol

12:21 PM

@KenDolli

​​Claire there has been an effort to destroy public schools since integration and white flight, hence private schools & homeschooling, and now charter schools further strips parents role in the process

12:22 PM

@anselman3156

​​How may one discourage birds from bombing the washing on the line?

12:22 PM

@KenDolli

​​public school model parents are supposed to be involved in the school board to decide such practices

12:24 PM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

#2

​Americans must ask for what they want and are entitled to as parents. But most of them are neither married nor marriageable. Therefore they are only killing time and quietly quitting.

12:30 PM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

#2

​Therefore Americans must acknowledge that Christianity has failed to protect the following institutions: monarchy, marriage and the family.

12:35 PM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

#2

​It is entirely predictable that the matriarchy would seek to perpetuate itself.

12:35 PM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

#2

​Herman Melville was not a Trinitarian. Neither was Nathaniel Hawthorne.

12:36 PM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

#2

​American philosophers have tended towards Unitarianism and away from Trinitarianism.

12:36 PM

@anselman3156

​​Isn't there an ancient Aryan concern for the conserving of cattle as something sacred? The inrush of evil into the world attacked the primeval Ox

12:37 PM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

#2

​Asking why Muslims have not acquired empire as great as Christians is saying you believe might is right.

12:37 PM

@stefaniecristos8514

​​KenDoli, did you read Barbara Kingsolver’s The Poisonwood Bible and if so, what did you think of it?

12:38 PM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

#2

​Iranians got their country back with Islam.

12:38 PM

@alohm

​​Yellowstone and their wolves - they had to be reintroduced

12:40 PM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

#2

​All empires decline and fall. Thalassocracies decline and fall faster than tellurocracies.

12:41 PM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

#1

​Laws can be imposed on societies **while supporting the First Amendment**.

12:42 PM

@anselman3156

​​Jellystone is where the Indian sage bear Yogi lived.

12:43 PM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

#1

​There will always be a political orthodoxy, and it will be imposed. Carl Schmitt even calls it POLITICAL THEOCRACY.

12:46 PM

@SeekingGenuine

#2

​Nathan (bison) cares a ton I think

12:47 PM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

#1

​How about sacrificing your idols of wrongthink?

12:47 PM

@anselman3156

​​I had a wild horse in a wildlife park attack my stationary car

12:48 PM

@chrishoward8473

​​We had a girraffe in a wildlife park steal my daughters sandwich through the vehicle window

12:48 PM

@stefaniecristos8514

​​Ken, it was such a good story about the clash of cultures and power politics, and good and evil battling in every human heart

12:49 PM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

​#1

​If you have convictions, you would be prepared to defend them rather than your Propositional Tyrants.

The propositions in the Declaration of Independence are Islamic

https://radicalisedrabbi.blogspot.com/2026/07/why-is-it-so-hard-for-americans-to.html

1:00  I am the opposite of being a nihilist.

2:00  A nihilist is someone who is proud not to have religious principles. 

3:00  Cult of personalities on YouTube

Victims of scams reluctant to admit they have been scammed. 

5:00  The purpose of the Trinity

Theology is the final frontier of politics. 

6:00  There is only one Abrahamic God. 

7:00  Would Secular Koranism solve the problem?

8:00  Atheists also benefit from the rule of law. 

9:00  Seneca on religion

11:00  The wise are good.

12:00  Are all religions false?

13:00  Idolatry, blasphemy, fornication, adultery and sodomy are mortal  sins. 

14:00  How is Christianity not idolatry and how is Jesus God?

15:00  Asking the logical next question

16:00  Mortal sins

17:00  Only confirmed Christians should be allowed to claim Christian identity. 

18:00  Religious groups are the most powerful groups in the world. 

19:00  Cultural Christians must be separated from believing Christians. 

20:00  Jordan Peterson is atheist. 

Marginalised and degenerate men in a matriarchy

21:00  Convictions

22:00  Noahide laws

23:00  Cultural Christians have no moral convictions.

24:00  Convictions and propositions

25:00  PVK does not Christian convictions.

26:00  The problem of Christianity for Christians over the centuries

27:00  Monarchy, marriage and the family are the three institutions failed by Christianity.

28:00  MAID

29:00  No sharia criminalilsing extramarital sex

30:00  Liberalism is the operating political orthodoxy. 

31:00  Mortal sins

32:00  Christians hate rules.

33:00  Christendom ended in 1918.

34:00  Christians lie to themselves. 

35:00  All good comes from God.

The God of Ideas

36:00  Occasionalism

37:00  Christianity is still the religion of the American Empire.

38:00  Christianity has failed to support the institutions of marriage and the family. 

39:00  Founding Fathers were the first Europeans to move away from Christianity. 

40:00  Christianity discourages Christians from asking questions.

41:00  The First Amendment gives us the space to be wrong. 

42:00  The Church of England still exists to defend the divine right of the British monarch. 

43:00  Christianity is a divine practical joke played on idolaters who worship an executed blasphemer. 

44:00  The Noahide laws

Christians are being lowered in status anyway. 

45:00  Christianity is waning. 

First Amongst Equals

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primus_inter_pares

50:00  Syncretism

51:00  Jews were easily ignored after the Roman Conquest of Judea. 

52:00  Koran > Torah > The New Testament

Polygamous Mormonism

53:00  The benefits polygamy

54:00  Whig history

55:00  The English were the first perpetrators of regicide. 

56:00  Church of England > Catholic Church

57:00  Mogadishu and Yugoslavia

The law should be fair enough to the majority.

58:00  Our corrupt and incompetent rulers censor information that should reach them. 

59:00  Christianity is like a parachute that won't open or food unfit for human consumption. 

1:00:00  The propositions in the Declaration of Independence are in fact Islamic.