IN CONTEXT: Jeffrey Marshall's Comments about the unproductive

Jeffrey Marshall, senior organiser for the BNP's London European election campaign. Following the death of David Cameron's disabled son Ivan, Marshall claimed in an internet forum discussion: "We live in a country today which is unhealthily dominated by an excess of sentimentality towards the weak and unproductive. No good will come of it."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/may/31/bnp-european-elections-facebook-expose

In context:

Thu Feb 26, 2009 11:11 am

My mother came from a family of about 13 children, which was basically poor - although their fortunes gradually improved as a growing number of healthy young adults began to contribute their income to the family.

One or two children died early. In some photographs you can observe a baby boy who was ´always sickly´ apparently. No-one could afford the care necessary to keep this child alive. What happened to the child we do not know. No-one ever spoke of it. Perhaps he died of natural causes, perhaps he was assisted to the grave. The subject was never mentioned by anyone.

There was no welfare state in the 1930s. Whatever my grandmother did - if she did - was necessary and for the best.

We live in a country today which is unhealthily dominated by an excess of sentimentality towards the weak and unproductive. No good will come of it.


ANDROMEDA to WHITE RIOT at Feb 26, 2009 8:57 am :

No, my child would not have to be perfect, only healthy and normal. I would even put up with a degree of physical disability, but not anything mental. I would certainly keep a healthy Siamese twin, without even trying to separate them.

The Nazis may have done it, but so would the Ancient Greeks and
Romans.

I am sure many parents in poverty-stricken areas of the world - without an NHS - would have done exactly the same.

I wonder what YOU would really do, if you couldn't pass the cost of it on to the taxpayer and wallow in the sympathy you know you are going to get, as Cameron knew he would.

WHITE RIOT to ANDROMEDA
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 8:45 AM
Subject: David Cameron and the death of his six-year-old son,
Ivan.

"While my first instincts would be to smothered any such a child of
mine at birth" Isn't that the sort of thing that the nazi regime did. so
you'd murder your own child if it wasn't perfect, you vile bastard I only hope you don't have children. You other comment at this time were also the product of a sick mind.

Post at Voice of Reason on 26 February 2009

Westminster mourns after Cameron's lossWhat the Financial Times describes as a "shocked Westminster" was yesterday united in expressing its sympathy with David and Samantha Cameron following the sudden death of their son, Ivan.The six-year-old, who suffered from cerebral palsy and epilepsy, died in hospital on Wednesday morning.

The normal exchanges of prime minister's questions were put on hold as Gordon Brown led the Commons in expressing sympathy."I know that in an all too brief young life he brought joy to all those around him," said Brown.

"I know also that for all the days of his life he was surrounded by his family's love."

Ann Treneman in the Times says the prime minister "managed to find exactly the right words and tone for this most unusual and sudden of Commons occasions".

While my first instincts would be to smothered any such a child of mine at birth, I would also have realised that we live in the sort of Britain where it would profit me to look after it for the rest of its hopefully short life, in order to reap the "Man of the People, formerly a toff", "sleeping on hospital floors, reading nursery rhymes to other less privileged children at all hours of the day", "at ease with public services" kind of kudos he is now getting as a result of his 6 year "investment", at the expense of the NHS.

I would still have smothered it at birth, though. Sorry.

I am hoping you will congratulate me for my honesty, but I know you will rail at me for my callousness.

Instead of praising me for my forbearance from imposing the needs of my hopeless hypothetical child on the NHS and at taxpayers' expense for 6 whole years knowing it would die anyway without ever speaking or walking or in any way acknowledging my existence, you will condemn me for proposing infanticide.

This is the sort of Britain we live in.

JEFFREY MARSHALL on 25 February 2009:

I agree, although parliamentary business (Prime Minister's Questions) ought to have continued as normal.

This has become a nation which is unhealthily dominated by sentimentality.

From: (Brin J - BNP member)

Subject: David Cameron and the death of his six-year-old son, Ivan.

Date: Wednesday, 25 February, 2009, 2:50 PM

This really is so sad for the man and his family. Very hard to bear and we must all feel sad for them. Brin

The original post may be found at:

http://thevoiceofreason-ann.blogspot.com/2009/02/sympathy-for-caring-compassionate.html#comments

http://thevoiceofreason-ann.blogspot.com/2009/04/compassionate-conservatism-nicey-nicey.html