At 10: the mum who posted on a website that she was considering putting her 6 yr old severely disabled child into residential care - because she could no longer cope. Riven Vincent has never done an interview about her situation, until now. Do tune in at 10.
She should smothered it after it was born, shouldn't she, rather than expect the taxpayer to pick up the bill?
Why should the taxpayer pay for her severely disabled child?
Ask her that.
Professional sympathy seeker. Well, she ain't getting none from me.
We all know lots of mothers tote their severely disabled children around to get attention and rise in the pecking order of a group of mums.
The more disabled your child, the higher you are in the pecking order.
"Caring for my daughter is relentless. She needs someone 24 hours a day. She must be tube-fed, is doubly incontinent, cannot walk, talk, sit up, or use her arms. She has to be lifted using a hoist from chair to wheelchair, between bed and bath. She doesn't grow up. I sleep in a bed next to Celyn every night, beside a monitor that checks her breathing. I've barely had an unbroken night since she was born and I am exhausted. My sleeplessness leads to problems with everything else. I'm too tired to cook and give my three other children the attention I need to. Caring takes over your whole life."
What is the point of bringing up a child like that?
What about her three other children? What sort of life do they have?
What a DISGUSTING mother who would ruin the lives of her other children just so she can get the attention she craves and needs.
Does this disgusting woman have a husband or is she one of those single mothers who are a burden on the state?
If she does I feel very very very sorry for him.
Don't be silly, Kevin. It is not a BNP thing, it is about how the taxpayer has been roped into paying for every single stupid unproductive just because someone is a mother.
It is, in short, a Mumsnet mentality of *entitlement*, of power without responsibility which seems to be the prerogative of women these days.
Hi all, I've just rung Claire. She's agreed to come on, although I pointed out of course she really doesn't have to. I asked her if she has children & whereabouts in the country she is, and I asked her (as we ask ALL our contributors), if she would be courteous. She was very well-spoken and polite and said "of course I will, I wouldn't dream of being anything but. I'm in a different person in real life" ..or words to that effect.
The welfare state is the root of all evil, people. Unfortunately, it is the Sacred Cow that the British worship. What I am doing is the equivalent of BLASPHEMY. That is why I am so hated.
But then the welfare state is one of the reasons why the Western nations are mostly financially and morally bankrupt.
Indeed, it is the systematic cultivation of FAILURE.
A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:
From bondage to spiritual faith;
From spiritual faith to great courage;
From courage to liberty;
From liberty to abundance;
From abundance to selfishness;
From selfishness to complacency;
From complacency to apathy;
From apathy to dependence;
From dependence back into bondage.
What stage of the cycle are we on, folks, eh, eh, eh?
Claire was blocked by The Today programme Facebook page at the end of last year and all her comments removed. She was up with the lark every morning to comment on that page and was shocked to be removed, as were the other regulars who didn't think that the BBC would censor their page. She has also been blocked by Mumsnet and others I believe.
I'm sure Hitler had the same ideas at the outset, not everyone saw it the same way though eh?
See SUICIDE, MURDER AND DEATH
This practice preceded Hitler, Rob.
If it is NECESSARY for the survival of one's society, then it is MORAL.
I need to articulate the views and concerns of the over-burdened taxpayer.
Not when you are ramming euthanasia down our throats. These aren't the views of the masses.
Not just me talking about euthanasia, Rob.
Are you saying I am responsible for the Right to Die movement?
You are ascribing to me greater powers than I really have.
She can't bring herself to say that she would strangle her own baby at birth, which is what she has said many many times. [Actually, I said "smother" though I hope the midwife would do this for me to save me the trouble.]
It's scary to know that Claire is loose on the streets. Hopefully she will be recaptured soon!
Riven was calm at first and then made all the right sounds of indignation and outrage. Jack Lepresti was pretty good too, huffing and puffing his disbelief.
I believe in free and excellent education for all.
Everyone in this country has been bribed by benefits and is now completely addicted to the welfare state. It is like trying to take the bottle away from a drunk.
The kitty is not bottomless and spending must be prioritised!
"Brave effort, Claire. I thought you made a lot of the points the MP should have made if he weren't so craven," said one of my FB friends.
Free speech: use it or lose it!
Claire, the ultimate responsibility of a civilised society is to look after those who need help. Disabled children and support for their families are top of those list of priorities. You admit there is a list of priorities, don't you Claire?
"Claire's view is a very very minority view", said Victoria. "Hopefully!" was the response. In saying the unsayable, I have done more for the taxpayer than that useless Taxpayers' Alliance.
2 hours ago
Mariabella, HOW to prioritise spending is a very political issue. This means it is CONTROVERSIAL. What is so terribly terribly sad for the taxpayer is the way POLITICIANS who are supposed to be looking after our money dare not talk in these terms.
They are only bribing us with our own money.
They are bribing the unproductive with the money of the productive.
How is that a good thing?
Also, Mariabella, the ultimate responsibility of government is to rule RATIONALLY, reward rational behaviour and discourage irrational behaviour.
PLse take Claire Khaw with a pinch of salt...her raison d'etre is to wind you up..
Any daughter of mine would be told not to ruin her life bringing up a severely disabled child. A schoolfriend of mine did that with her disabled daughter. Husband left her. She could have had more children, but she thought she wouldn't be able to cope. Tragic, really.
"He had a duty to father and raise healthy children as future citizens of Rome, to maintain the moral propriety and well-being of his household, to honour his clan and ancestral gods and to dutifully participate - and if possible, serve - in Rome's political, religious and social life. In effect, the pater familias was expected to be a good citizen. In theory at least, he held powers of life and death over every member of his extended familia through ancient right but in practice, the extreme form of this right was seldom exercised."
The question I asked Riven Vincent:
"What are the benefits for the taxpayer in continuing to support the burdensome and unproductive existence of Celyn who will never lead a normal productive life and who is also ruining the childhoods of her healthy and normal brothers or sisters?"
Facebook friend's comment:
"No one in the political establishment dares to say no to any demand from mothers and families. It is terrible moral blackmail and every time someone surrenders they return to exact more and more. As it has been said in another context: paying the Vikings the Danegeld did not encourage them to leave. Instead, they came back asking for more and more."