THE VOICE OF REASON
Solon, (born c. 630 BCE—died c. 560 BCE), Athenian statesman, known as one of the Seven Wise Men of Greece (the others were Chilon of Sparta, Thales of Miletus, Bias of Priene, Cleobulus of Lindos, Pittacus of Mytilene, and Periander of Corinth). Solon ended exclusive aristocratic control of the government, substituted a system of control by the wealthy, and introduced a new and more humane law code. He was also a noted poet.
If the BNP care for the white working classes at all, it would say something about how a national identity can only be sustained by the orderly transmission of property and traditions through the human institutions of Marriage and Family. Tragically, the leadership does not care enough to say these things to its membership, because most of them are illegitimate and won't appreciate having their parentage criticised.
Instead, they pretend everything is all the fault of foreigners and immigrants when the truth is that they are so despised that their own government doesn't even care enough about them to point out the error of their ways or give them decent schools.
Liberal governments, like liberal parents, offer no moral guidance because they fear to seem judgemental, prescriptive, authoritarian and do not want to suffer any loss of popularity by criticising sluts, which, let's face it, most women in Britain are these days. Most men are, let's also face it, regularly have sex with a woman whom they do not love or respect but who satisfies their minimum requirement of being ready and willing.
The lower the morals of women, the lower the morals of men, as we have seen.
Because women control men by giving them sex, men are now utterly in their power and dare not criticise the behaviour of any female colleague, for fear of losing their jobs (eg Sky Sports commentators Graham Keys and Andy Gray) or lose votes if they are male politicians.
Will the BNP have the courage to tackle feminism?
It seems unlikely, for they have seen fit to expel me for questioning feminism and its ideology of preserving the inalienable right of women to make reproductive choices that harm both themselves and society. Riven Vincent is a married woman who has made a very bad reproductive choice - you could not have a more disabled offspring even if you tried, and she herself is now disabled. (This woman knew 13 years ago that she had MS and even then went on to have her severely disabled daughter, who is now 7.) Cheryl Dunn - a BNP activist known for being a slut single mum with disabled offspring brought my views to the attention of those attending the BNP EGM and so my mayoral goose was cooked. (I could have been the 2012 BNP London mayoral candidate before they suspended and expelled me.)
Of course I had no chance at all - the entire matriarchy was against me and baying for my blood.
But I at least dare to say what I think the problem is, unlike those who claim to represent the interests of the white working classes. Or should I call them the white lower classes now since so few of the white working classes now work?
"43 The foreigners who reside among you will rise above you higher and higher, but you will sink lower and lower. 44 They will lend to you, but you will not lend to them. They will be the head, but you will be the tail." Deuteronomy 28
The above is a state of affairs that the BNP have been complaining about since they began their existence.
But why is it that they themselves are so despised and shunned? The reasons are as follows.
1. Everyone hates sluts and bastards, and even sluts and bastards who have a glimmer of self knowledge and detached self-analysis hate themselves too.
2. We all know the BNP are full of sluts and bastards.
3. The fact that I got expelled from the BNP because I offended a slut with disabled offspring shows that sluts with bastards cannot be criticised. This does not apply only within the BNP but in wider society in Britain as well.
4. The fact that I was only saying something plainly true http://thevoiceofreason-ann.blogspot.com/2011/07/transcript-of-what-i-said-on-victoria.html, which got me expelled, and which I had a right to say in a country that pretends it believes in free speech, is testament to the level of morality now to be expected from the white man. "The lower the morals of women, the lower the morals of men."
5. The fact that Eddy Butler - the BNP's former National Organiser but now proscribed and the sworn enemy of the current BNP leader - said he thought I should have been suspended for telling the offensive truth shows that he no longer believes in free speech but in cowardly, hypocritical, mendacious prevarication which is of course the trait of women, and excusable only in women.
6. The fact that Eddy Butler wants to join the English Democrats shows that he is happy to be associated with a party known for its mediocrity of talent.
7. The English Democrats will never amount to anything because:
(a) Its very existence is an admission of the defeat of British nationalism.
(b) Its ideology of accepting and accelerating the breakup of the UK is actually harmful to English interests.
(c) Its policy of attracting bums on seats without any regard for quality shows its narrow aims, which is to take anyone Eurosceptic as well as the rejects of the 4th and 5th parties.
(d) The presentation of their policies of motherhood and apple pie, couched in the terms devoid of detail, is intentional, for they do not want to offend anyone and will take anyone, like an ugly ageing whore who will have to take any business going.
Eddy Butler, to my horror, has expressed himself happy with this and says he sees no need for change. Such an organisation will certainly survive because the supply of fools in this world is unlimited and there is one born every minute. However, any self-respecting man with genuine ambitions to change things should scorn such an unworthy compromise.
Eddy Butler has given up. If he had any fight left in him he would start a radical but non-racist civic nationalist party with me, but he refuses to either contemplate or discuss it, because he cannot afford to be seen to be associating with the likes of me, because of the things I say about Feminists, Sluts and Bastards, because he wants to be SAFE.
2. The parties who oppose the LibLabCon, ie UKIP and BNP, are afraid of Slut Single Mums. (It was a Slut Single Mum in the BNP who got me expelled for saying things offensive to the Disabled and their Slut Single Mum ie herself.)
3. Those who dissent from the leadership of UKIP and BNP (such as Eddy Butler and the English Democrats), are also afraid of Slut Single Mums.
WHO AND WHAT ARE SLUT SINGLE MUMS?
Slut Single Mums are women who make bad reproductive choices, who choose violent criminals as sex partners, have illegitimate children by them and then complain when their badly chosen male partners misbehave, who expect the taxpayer to pick up the tab for their ruined lives, who do not take kindly to criticism of their lifestyle choice and may threaten violence and death upon those who do challenge their behaviour.
Another example is Riven Vincent who knew she had MS as long ago as 13 years ago. Another example of a woman who has made a bad reproductive choice is Riven Vincent who knew she had MS as long ago as 13 years ago (but, because she is married, does not come under the category of an SSM (Slut Single Mum) though her reproductive choice was undeniably questionable). She then went on to have a severely disabled daughter who is now 7, who cannot lift her head, move any of her limbs and is blind. Riven Vincent's MS has now kicked in and she too is now disabled and therefore is the unofficial holder of the most martyred woman in the Britain. You could not hope to make a worse reproductive choice even if you tried. Indeed, she is Queen of the Disabled and Mumsnet and the PM himself admits that he is afraid of Mumsnet. Riven Vincent is therefore above criticism. Indeed, she is treated as if she were above the Queen, who is often the victim of tasteless jokes by Republicans.
But it gets worse, for I have discovered that nationalist men are actually not afraid of admitting that they are afraid of women like these, and these women are the worst of people, whose reproductive choices bring shame to this nation (because their offspring are illegitimate and grow up criminal) or, if they are not, they bring disability (both learning and physical) to the next generation in increasing numbers. http://thevoiceofreason-ann.blogspot.com/2011/07/in-what-year-will-britain-be-100.html
But these men shrug their shoulders and refuse to defend my freedom to say what is in fact true, however offensive it is. "What do you expect? You were offensive and we don't want to offend anyone by having you as a member." This, from members of a party whose very existence is found offensive by the political establishment!
How can men who are afraid of the worst of people, Slut Single Mums who cannot even choose a decent partner to have a child with, ever ever succeed?
These are men who are afraid to criticise women whose reproductive choices, if left unchecked, would lead to Britain consisting mostly of Disabled Sluts and Disabled Bastards?
Deuteronomy 28 finishes with the curse:
68 The LORD will send you back in ships to Egypt on a journey I said you should never make again. There you will offer yourselves for sale to your enemies as male and female slaves, but no one will buy you.
Who would want to buy a Disabled Slut or a Disabled Bastard as a slave?
There was a time when the children taken from Britain as slaves to be sold in Rome were praised for their angelic appearance.
"Non Angli, sed angeli" – "They are not Angles, but angels". Aphorism, summarizing words reported to have been spoken by Gregory when he first encountered pale-skinned English boys at a slave market, sparking his dispatch of St. Augustine of Canterbury to England to convert the English, according to Bede. He said: "Well named, for they have angelic faces and ought to be co-heirs with the angels in heaven." Discovering that their province was Deira, he went on to add that they would be rescued de ira, "from the wrath", and that their king was named Aella, Alleluia, he said.
Perhaps now - should such a terrible thing happen - they would only be sold as meat not fit for human consumption.
"Cursed are the unmerciful, fornicators [Who are Fornicators but Slut Single Mums breeding criminal and variously-fathered feral bastards whose numbers now exceed that of wives of husbands who have babies born in wedlock?], and adulterers, covetous persons, idolaters, slanderers, drunkards, and extortioners."
It does sound like they mean us, does it not? (Implicitly included are those who refuse to condemn them, and this is just about everyone in the land.)
A nation whose men are afraid of Sluts and Bastards turn the other way and pretend not to hear, or even understand what I am saying, because to even show an inkling of understanding of what I am saying would mean they would have to agree with me.
If they agreed with me they would feel a moral imperative to join me in being abused and vilified by the feminazis, which, being the women they have now become, they are not prepared to do.
As men they would then feel uncomfortable about their role in life, and so men like Eddy Butler will pretend that I am an extremist or a crank while he is the one being pragmatic and moderate.
I have this to tell Eddy Butler:
The truth just is, whatever we think is reasonable, moderate or moral, and it is we must accommodate ourselves to the truth, rather than accommodate the truth to our preferences, ideology and perceptions.
Those who prefer safety to liberty deserve NEITHER.
"Celyn has quadriplegic cerebral palsy and epilepsy and cannot walk, talk or sit up, and she is also blind."
From 26th minute onwards.
CK:
I have three questions for her ...
VC:
Why don't we start with one and see how we get on?
CK:
All right then. I was wondering if Riven knew before Celyn was born that she should be severely disabled?
RV:
No, I didn't. She was brain-damaged at birth.
CK:
At birth: I am sorry to hear that. I suppose the question that is probably on everyone's mind is this: what are the benefits for the taxpayer in continuing to support the burdensome and unproductive existence of Celyn who will never lead a normal productive life, who is also ruining the childhoods of her healthy and normal brothers and sisters?
RV:
Well, I kind of hope we live in a civilised society where we take care of our vulnerable members whether elderly or disabled people. Celyn is actually quite bright so she is one of those disabled people who should she live to 18 there is no reason why she shouldn't get a job ...
CK:
[Spluttering at the thought of some unfortunate employer being compelled to take Celyn on as an employee who is blind and cannot walk, talk or sit up] But, but you said she can't even move!
RV:
[Patronisingly] No ... Stephen Hawkings [sic] can't move either. He's doing quite well ...
CK:
[Incredulous at the idea of a child who is blind, who cannot walk, talk or sit up being the next theoretical physicist and cosmologist and how no one even thought of contradicting this mother's delusion] Does she go to school?
RV:
She goes to school. She goes to a mainstream school ...
CK:
[Horrified at the idea of what Celyn's classmates must have to endure] And she can talk?
RV:
She talks, she uses a computer just like Stephen Hawkings [sic] does.
CK:
It seems unlikely that she will ... [trails off] The trouble with these things is that the more you support these things there more it happens and the more people will be asking for money and the more burdened the taxpayer be and we know the coffers are empty. The country's in debt and people will always want money for their stuff and it's other people's money.
VR:
Do you not want your taxes to help pay for Riven Vincent to look after her little girl at home?
CK:
Well, it's just that there are so many of these demands from mothers wanting this and wanting that and there needs seem to be unlimited and what there is actually in the kitty is very limited and we must now prioritise how we spend our money and think about the future.
Jack Lopresti MP:
Can I come in there? Is Claire for real? Claire do you actually have any children?
CK:
Yes.
JL:
You do? Well, I find what you have to say absolutely staggering, I have to say.
LIZ:
I can't believe ... I almost can't speak I'm so angry. Does this lady think maybe disabled people should be put down?
CK:
It depends on the degree of disability.
RV:
Oh my God. So you think that someone who is really disabled should be put down? Are we talking Nazi [inaudible]?
CK:
If I had a severely disabled child or knew I was about to have one I wouldn't impose it on the taxpayer and expect other people to pay for all the expensive equipment that it needs ...
VD:
So what would you do, Claire, out of interest? If you gave birth and the child ...
CK:
I would have an abortion.
VD:
No, no, if you gave birth and the child as in Riven's case was severely brain damaged during the birthing process. What would you do once the child was born?
CK:
I would ... [dramatic pause] ... reject it.
[Gasps of horror]
LIZ:
Are you related to Adolf Hitler?
CK:
I've heard that one before.
RV:
I believe we live in a civilised society ....
CK:
What is a civilised society? What does it mean? Surely we want to live in a rational society where our taxes are not wasted?
RV:
When you're old and frail ....
VD:
Claire! I'd like to ask a question, Claire. So in that situation the child would be given for adoption, yes?
CK:
Well, I wouldn't ... [trails off] I think it is unfair to pass it on like a parcel because I don't want to deal with it ...
VD:
What would happen?
CK:
I believe in the old days midwives would [interrupted by VD, but CK would have gone on to say "disposed of it for me".]
VD:
We are in 2011 now. What would happen to the child you rejected?
CK:
I don't know what the procedure is ...
VD:
Well, it would be adoption, so in your world, it would be a burden on the taxpayer.
CK:
Well, yes, yes ... [bottling out of saying that she would reluctantly have to commit infanticide]
RV:
Would you have put Stephen Hawkings [sic] down? He cost the taxpayer a great deal of money with his 24 hour care.
CK:
Well, I don't see that any of his theories actually help humanity much. I mean, what is the Superstring theory about?
LIZ:
What do you do? What do you do to help humanity?
CK:
I'd like to point out these anomalies in these situations were taxpayers' money is being wasted, day after day ...
LIZ:
[Shouting over CK even as she is answering the question] WHAT DO YOU DO TO JUSTIFY YOUR EXISTENCE ON THIS EARTH?
CK continues:
and you have cowardly politicians saying "Yes, yes, I'll give you anything just give me your vote and I'll continue to waste of taxpayers' money."
LIZ:
[Shouting] WHAT DO YOU DO TO JUSTIFY YOUR EXISTENCE ON EARTH?
CK:
I write and I point out these things that are wrong
VD [in an aside, with just a hint of pleasure and pride to have Claire Khaw on her show]:
It's Claire Khaw!
CK continues:
... and speak up for the taxpayer, that's what I'm on about.
VD:
Let's bring Liz in here.
LIZ:
Celyn's disability is not in her mind, like yours clearly is. Claire, I can't believe your attitude. I think it is totally uncivilised and totally disgusting.
JL:
Absolutely!
RV:
Me too!
VD:
Go ahead, Liz.
LIZ:
I'm apoplectic. I cannot believe that in the 21st century we have people with those sorts of views. The reason I got in contact with the programme is that a lot of people are missing the point in that Riven herself is disabled, so not only are we talking her having to look after her a disabled child, but she is disabled herself. I must say Jack Lopresti sounds like a waste of space. He's just toeing the party line. You can go on at the local authority until you are blue in the face, but you need to put your head above the parapet and actually make a name for yourself as an MP, I think. [Angry giggle] I'm still so angry about the previous lady. I am a compassionate person and appreciate that there are lots of starving children throughout the world, but it does concern me that we are sending all this foreign aid and yet somebody in Riven's situation can't get a couple hour's respite a week ... "
There was a discussion about how many nappies Riven Vinent gets a day. Victoria Derbyshire thought it will soon be 6, but Riven says NO, it is only four. Jack Lopresti MP says he will help Riven get her the nappies she needs. (Did he know when he entered politics that he would be falling over himself on some tabloid radio show to get nappies for the likes of Riven Vincent? I doubt it. Another effeminate modern politician with no concept of masculine pride.)
Show ends.
A woman did call in and agree with me on the day, I seem to remember, but this was left out on this link, no doubt due to deliberate PC BBC censorship to make me look bad and mad and alone in my views.
Lots of people got in touch with me later to say they agreed with me. Some of them were even ex-Labour supporters.
The reason given for the suspension of my membership of the BNP was give as my "cyberactivities". The issue to which it pertained concerned what I said I would do if I had a severely disabled baby which my husband and I did not wish to bring up and the matter was not "taken care of" by the midwife in the old fashioned way.
After the delivery, the midwife made the initial call on whether or not an infant was healthy and fit to rear. She inspected the newborn for congenital deformities and testing its cry to hear whether or not it was robust and hearty. Ultimately, midwives made a determination about the chances for an infant’s survival and likely recommended that a newborn with any severe deformities be exposed.
I said that, regrettably, I would feel morally obliged to commit infanticide rather than to pass on the burden to the taxpayer.
However, in Britain, the consensus appears to be that I should be forced to bring up my severely disabled baby, destroy my marriage, not try to have any more children. This happened to a school friend of mine, whose firstborn was a severely disabled daughter. She is now single, alone and effectively childless, with her disabled daughter confined to an institution, which may or may not be like Winterbourne View featured in Panorama recently.
If I am to be disciplined, suspended or even expelled for saying this, then it appears that the BNP are saying that what I propose to do is wrong, and what my schoolfriend did was right. The mind boggles as to how encouraging every mother with a severely disabled baby who did as my school friended did would benefit the white race, but there you have it: that is the BNP's policy for mothers with severely disabled babies: they should be forced to bring them up or the taxpayer forced to pay for their institutionalisation, whether they want to or is in the public interest to, or not.
Unbelievable, imbecilic, coercive (on both the taxpayer and the mother) and irrational, but there it is.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2011/jun/20/winterbourne-view-hospital-panorama-abuse
I have re-read the comments I made on Saturday 25 June on Charlotte Lewis's wall - the ones that were reported by Chez Dunn (a female BNP member who is a single mother with disabled offspring) who got me into trouble - and they really were quite innocuous. Even my BNP buddies who have berated me for being recklessly provocative cannot actually point to any comment that was obviously objectionable in that thread.
If nobody can find anything particularly objectionable, this means that to avoid being suspended, I should not have said what I said on the Victoria Derbyshire Show. However, there is no way I would have declined her invitation to express my views about Riven Vincent on air, even with the benefit of hindsight.
To not say what I think on the off chance of my becoming the BNP 2012 London mayoral candidate would have been overly optimistic. The whole point of doing what I did was in the hope that I would at least be tested by hostile questioning on the selection panel to see if I could defend myself effectively.
In the event, my suspension meant I could not even attend the meeting for the GLA elections that took place on 3 July. Even if I had attended, they still would not have been obliged to choose me.
What does all this say about the party?
I had no illusions about the hardliners who would resent the fact that I was a member. Their comments at
is evidence that they find my race very problematic indeed, which comes as no surprise.
Whatever has happened to my mayoral candidacy I can at least bask in the warmth of the messages of support I have received from BNP members who don't have an issue with my race, who recognised that I was really the best candidate they could have had. Their exasperation with me for getting knocked out when I was so close to being selected was clearly genuine. Some of them even contacted the Chairman to speak up for me.
I do not think however that they any of this could have been avoided. If it were not about what I would do to my own severely disabled baby it would have been about never married single mums. They would have found something because I do undeniably have controversial views and do seek to provoke.
Such was the opposition to the idea of having a non-white BNP London mayoral candidate that they were using me to discredit Nick Griffin in the coming leadership election with the slogan "Vote Griffin Get Khaw".
I know that the Chairman has said some complimentary things about me in the past to others and perhaps felt overwhelmed by the more vocal opposition against me as mayoral candidate (or even my membership of the party) and felt he had to do something.
The issue of what I said about what I would do to my own severely disabled baby seemed a good enough way of showing that I was unsuitable, on more than grounds of race alone.
I asked Eddy Butler the expelled ex-National Organiser if he would have done the same thing in Chairman's position and his response was a definite no, though he would have suspended me, he said. He pointed out that my biggest mistake was in thinking that the Chairman cared anything for election results. The fact that I would have got more votes in London than any of the other mayoral candidates counted for nothing with the Chairman, apparently.
The Chairman submits to the view of the members who would rather have the weeds of ethno-nationalism than the fruits of civic nationalism.
Perhaps the Chairman feels he has to tread a thin line and to be all things to all nationalists. I know that he was being nagged by Jean Marie Le Penn during his visit to Britain to let the ethnics in as long ago as 2004.
The point is that if the Chairman had wanted to support me, he could have.
For fringe political parties, the only way forward is to fight elections and be seen to be doing better than before. The 2012 London mayoral elections would have been a superb opportunity for the party to show to the British public that it was less racist than it has been portrayed, but there is now the possibility that they will not even have a mayoral candidate at all.
What would I have done if I were Chairman of the BNP and was the same race as Nick Griffin?
I would have made a point of supporting free speech, supported the ethnic mayoral candidate's right to free speech, and made the leadership election absolutely ideological, between the Modernisers and the Dinosaurs. It could then be presented as a contest between the incumbent modernising Chairman who backed me against the hidebound dinosaur challenger Andrew Brons who cannot stomach the idea of an ethnic representing the party in the London mayoral elections. Then there would have been clear blue water and the BNP would have turned a corner. The Chairman would have easily won too, if I were involved in the leadership campaign and accompanied him on the hustings.
Medium to high risk but worth doing, I would have thought, in the spectrum of calculated risks.
But it appears that it suits the Chairman not to take any risks and for the party not to do spectacularly well but just be chugging along, as long as the vote could be said to increase.
Well, there we are. I am just so glad I did not deactivate my blogs or stop myself from saying anything I believed in on the off chance that I might be made the mayoral candidate if I did shut up. It would be too awful if I had shut up and was still sacrificed to the T-Rexes of the BNP for some trumped-up reason.
"That night on the news, the prime minister was forced to break off from talking about the Nordic Baltic summit he was hosting in London to answer questions about Riven."
Really? Was the Riven Vincent story really such a fucking national emergency? Is David Cameron our Prime Minister quite getting his priorities right, when he so obsequiously bows and scrapes for the female vote in such nauseating gestures of self-abnegation?
"Celyn's father, Mark Williams, makes sure he is home from work every day at the same time she returns from school. Riven has had multiple sclerosis for 13 years, and three years ago began using a wheelchair outside the house, and a stick to get around inside, making her doubly sensitive to changes in government policy that affect disabled people. As a result her husband does more than 50% of the caring for Celyn. A research scientist, he works part-time, fitting his hours around Celyn's school timetable."
Riven has had MS for 13 years. Celyn is now 7. I wouldn't be having more children if I knew I had MS. Is Riven some sort of attention-seeker who likes to put the icing of disability on to her cake of illness for MAXIMUM VICTIMHOOD?
Does she not have friends and family who are prepared to give her sound advice that she might wish to heed?
"Look, Riven, why would you be having another baby when you already know you have MS? Are you sure it is such a good idea? Isn't this a bit unfair on your husband? What are his views on this?"
Perhaps they did, but Riven wasn't listening, because to both suffer from MS and have a severely disabled child would just send her straight to the top of the Victimhood All-Time Top 100 and that was always her dream.
I am just astonished that any self-respecting man would put up with the kind of life that Riven seems to have marked out for her husband without any consideration for his feelings or his wishes or any apparent consultation.
She, too, is now in a wheelchair!
If I were him I would be wondering how my life would be if both wife and severely disabled child were no longer around make my life a misery of nursing the physical disability of two members of my own family, and how nice it would be to get my life back, to have sex in my home that is not stuffed with medical equipment and to just go to the pub.
Does this man even have any male friends left?
The fact that he puts up with everything so enthusiastically and uncomplainingly makes me suspect his motives, his character and his masculinity.
"A lot of children with cerebral palsy are found dead in the morning,"
said Riven, in a bid, perhaps, to milk more reluctant and exhausted sympathy out of us.
OK, Riven, I shall pray for you. I don't want anyone thinking I have no compassion after all.
Her appetite for campaigning is waning. "I don't like publicity. I would rather not have to go to the media to fight for them, and make people aware of the problems. I'd rather the awareness was there. I don't have the time for all this stuff. I just want to get on with living life with Celyn while she is still here."
First sensible thing I have heard from her since we crossed swords. Riven Vincent gives people with disabilities a bad name. In fact, it could be argued that she by her actions incites hatred against the disabled.
I have nothing against the disabled provided they do not wish to take away my right to free speech and don't get above themselves and think they have a right not to be offended.
Is it not time that mothers married to the fathers of their well-behaved children who are a credit to their parents be praised? Yet instead the whole nation, including our politicians, kowtows to the likes of Riven Vincent in our Culture of Entitlement and the Ostentation of Victimhood. In my opinion, Riven Vincent represents the rapacity and voracity for welfare of the female voter who has messed up her life and wants the taxpayer to bail her out.
If we care for the future of this country, we should be prepared to speak out against people like her.
If we cannot get it together to fix this problem, then we should at least know what Western civilisation is dying of: the irresponsible and irrational reproductive choices of the female voter - voracious and welfare-dependent - who cannot be criticised.
We know who wields the power by the ones we cannot criticise.
Disabled person in wheelchair giving the able-bodied the one-finger salute - used on Riven Vincent's Facebook profile. Is she biting the hand that feeds her?
Claire Khaw is a Malaysian member of the BNP and a very dangerous woman, in 2009, when David Cameron lost his son, Ivan, Clair Blogged that it was a positive thing because keeping him alive was a waste of public money. She has a bizarre blog where she expresses her insane views, including "reintroduce slavery, make bastardy a disgrace, reintroduce public executions and reintroduce public floggings" ( see interview Here: http://alexlibertarian.blogspot.com/2010/12/claire-khaw-uncovered.html) . Claire has built up a reputation online, Counting politician and journalists among her ‘friends” on face book. She has received a lot of hostility on-line from the public, but it is her views on disability which are the focus of this group on the 5th of March, 2011, 5live interviewed withy Rivern Vincent the mother of a disabled child, Ms Khaw rang up and wanted to ask a question , she then proceeded to argue that the it was fundamentally wrong for the state to0 support Mrs Vincent’s daughter, because it was not economically viable. When challenge about this by everyone including the presente Victoria Derbyshire , Mrs Vincent, another parent, and the MP for Filton and Bradley Stoke, Jack Lopresti (Con), she defended her posistion and went on to state openly that if she gave birth to a disabled child she would reject it and instruct the midwife to ‘get rid of it’. Now I have challenged her about her views and found her response immoral and upsetting,. Some of her replies were as follows: “Art has utility because it gives pleasure. A severely disabled baby cannot possibly give me any pleasure, though it may be very useful to you if you use it for begging money from the government and your friends and family or getting sympathy from everyone you meet.” Or “No one has said they agree with me, but there are others who do agree with me if you read my wall on that day, though they are not in the BNP. Disabled people are really getting above themselves these days.”
According to blogs and forums, Claire is being touted as the BNP’s candidate for 2012 London Mayoral Elections. This means she will be NO. 1 on the Top-up list for the GLA for the BNP. This woman needs to be challenge. I don’t care what your politics are who you vote for, this is not a political cause, it is about what ideas are acceptable in public lif., Iin calling for a united front against the evil bigotry of this ‘woman’ let’s challenge Claire rout her ‘views’ at every single opportunity . Invite everyone you know, because we will win.
It is tiresome to have to keep repeating that I have not advocated a policy of general extermination of the disabled by the government.
I do not believe that anyone has a right to demand that anyone else pick up the tab for their children, whether able-bodied or disabled.
Having been described as "a very dangerous woman" (as if I were really capable of breaking and entering your home and exterminating your severely disabled baby), I wish to reassure those who are easily frightened to please believe that I do not have the superhuman abilities sometimes attributed to me nor the athleticism of a cat burglar to break into your home to exterminate your disabled baby.
I am Libertarian, not Terminator.
"I don’t care what your politics are who you vote for, this is not a political cause, it is about what ideas are acceptable in public life."
This is of course an issue of CENSORSHIP, which is of course extremely political.
I have blasphemed and now must be punished. I have been repeatedly called a Nazi when infanticide is in fact common to many cultures and was around for a long time before Hitler had been heard of.
Predictably, it has been suggested that the BNP (who may or may not make me the 2012 London mayoral candidate) have members and policies that endorse what I have said. Actually, many of them wished I had not said it because they have quite enough bad press already. For the record I should make it clear that the BNP manifesto has no policy at all on the disabled as any search at http://communications.bnp.org.uk/ge2010manifesto.pdf would reveal. This is probably because, like all parties, the BNP do not regard the disabled to constitute a significantly large section of the electorate to come under the BNP radar.
There are many mothers who use their disabled children as an instrument of attention- and sympathy-seeking that makes them somehow beyond criticism. It is also a way of sorting out the pecking order amongst mothers who do not work. The more a martyr you are to your children (disabled or not), the higher you are in the pecking order at your coffee mornings.
"You have a disabled child? Well, I have two!"
Their disabled children are used as weapon to bully Prime Ministers like Cameron (who used his late son Ivan to show the voting public that the NHS was safe with him).
This mania to have more disabled children and therefore be more worthy of sympathy and respect is just what Mumsnet culture consists of ie demanding yet more handouts from the government who are so pathetically eager to pander to the female voter.
Witness how willingly our so-called alpha males - David Davis and David Cameron - humiliated themselves on Woman's Hour (which is the radio version of Mumsnet) when they suffered Martha Kearney to ask them what kind of underwear they wore. http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/story.asp?storyCode=34195§ioncode=1
Can you imagine a female politician being asked this question??
So this is how low we have sunk, that our politicians are too afraid of telling the most demanding clients of the welfare state and the most rapacious consumers of welfare - mothers of disabled children - that they too will have to suffer their fair share of the cuts.
Pandering to the Mothers of the Disabled vote is pretty idiotic anyway, since they are so electorally insignificant.
What a shame the government will not do the obvious and rational thing and pander to the over-burdened taxpayer.
Victoria Derbyshire
At 10: the mum who posted on a website that she was considering putting her 6 yr old severely disabled child into residential care - because she could no longer cope. Riven Vincent has never done an interview about her situation, until now. Do tune in at 10.
Claire Khaw
She should smothered it after it was born, shouldn't she, rather than expect the taxpayer to pick up the bill?
Why should the taxpayer pay for her severely disabled child?
Ask her that.
Professional sympathy seeker. Well, she ain't getting none from me.
We all know lots of mothers tote their severely disabled children around to get attention and rise in the pecking order of a group of mums.
The more disabled your child, the higher you are in the pecking order.
Claire Khaw
"Caring for my daughter is relentless. She needs someone 24 hours a day. She must be tube-fed, is doubly incontinent, cannot walk, talk, sit up, or use her arms. She has to be lifted using a hoist from chair to wheelchair, between bed and bath. She doesn't grow up. I sleep in a bed next to Celyn every night, beside a monitor that checks her breathing. I've barely had an unbroken night since she was born and I am exhausted. My sleeplessness leads to problems with everything else. I'm too tired to cook and give my three other children the attention I need to. Caring takes over your whole life."
What is the point of bringing up a child like that?
What about her three other children? What sort of life do they have?
What a DISGUSTING mother who would ruin the lives of her other children just so she can get the attention she craves and needs.
Claire Khaw
Does this disgusting woman have a husband or is she one of those single mothers who are a burden on the state?
If she does I feel very very very sorry for him.
Claire Khaw
Don't be silly, Kevin. It is not a BNP thing, it is about how the taxpayer has been roped into paying for every single stupid unproductive just because someone is a mother.
It is, in short, a Mumsnet mentality of *entitlement*, of power without responsibility which seems to be the prerogative of women these days.
Victoria Derbyshire
Hi all, I've just rung Claire. She's agreed to come on, although I pointed out of course she really doesn't have to. I asked her if she has children & whereabouts in the country she is, and I asked her (as we ask ALL our contributors), if she would be courteous. She was very well-spoken and polite and said "of course I will, I wouldn't dream of being anything but. I'm in a different person in real life" ..or words to that effect.
Claire Khaw
The welfare state is the root of all evil, people. Unfortunately, it is the Sacred Cow that the British worship. What I am doing is the equivalent of BLASPHEMY. That is why I am so hated.
But then the welfare state is one of the reasons why the Western nations are mostly financially and morally bankrupt.
Indeed, it is the systematic cultivation of FAILURE.
A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:
From bondage to spiritual faith;
From spiritual faith to great courage;
From courage to liberty;
From liberty to abundance;
From abundance to selfishness;
From selfishness to complacency;
From complacency to apathy;
From apathy to dependence;
From dependence back into bondage.
What stage of the cycle are we on, folks, eh, eh, eh?
Mariabella Hollens
Claire was blocked by The Today programme Facebook page at the end of last year and all her comments removed. She was up with the lark every morning to comment on that page and was shocked to be removed, as were the other regulars who didn't think that the BBC would censor their page. She has also been blocked by Mumsnet and others I believe.
Rob Corbett
I'm sure Hitler had the same ideas at the outset, not everyone saw it the same way though eh?
If it is NECESSARY for the survival of one's society, then it is MORAL.
Claire Khaw
I need to articulate the views and concerns of the over-burdened taxpayer.
Rob Corbett
Not when you are ramming euthanasia down our throats. These aren't the views of the masses.
Claire Khaw
Not just me talking about euthanasia, Rob.
Are you saying I am responsible for the Right to Die movement?
You are ascribing to me greater powers than I really have.
Mariabella Hollens
She can't bring herself to say that she would strangle her own baby at birth, which is what she has said many many times. [Actually, I said "smother" though I hope the midwife would do this for me to save me the trouble.]
Peter Hinson
It's scary to know that Claire is loose on the streets. Hopefully she will be recaptured soon!
Claire Khaw
Riven was calm at first and then made all the right sounds of indignation and outrage. Jack Lepresti was pretty good too, huffing and puffing his disbelief.
I believe in free and excellent education for all.
Everyone in this country has been bribed by benefits and is now completely addicted to the welfare state. It is like trying to take the bottle away from a drunk.
Claire Khaw
The kitty is not bottomless and spending must be prioritised!
Claire Khaw
"Brave effort, Claire. I thought you made a lot of the points the MP should have made if he weren't so craven," said one of my FB friends.
Claire Khaw
Free speech: use it or lose it!
Mariabella Hollens
Claire, the ultimate responsibility of a civilised society is to look after those who need help. Disabled children and support for their families are top of those list of priorities. You admit there is a list of priorities, don't you Claire?
Claire Khaw
"Claire's view is a very very minority view", said Victoria. "Hopefully!" was the response. In saying the unsayable, I have done more for the taxpayer than that useless Taxpayers' Alliance.
2 hours ago
Claire Khaw
Mariabella, HOW to prioritise spending is a very political issue. This means it is CONTROVERSIAL. What is so terribly terribly sad for the taxpayer is the way POLITICIANS who are supposed to be looking after our money dare not talk in these terms.
They are only bribing us with our own money.
They are bribing the unproductive with the money of the productive.
How is that a good thing?
Claire Khaw
Also, Mariabella, the ultimate responsibility of government is to rule RATIONALLY, reward rational behaviour and discourage irrational behaviour.
Victoria Derbyshire
PLse take Claire Khaw with a pinch of salt...her raison d'etre is to wind you up..
Any daughter of mine would be told not to ruin her life bringing up a severely disabled child. A schoolfriend of mine did that with her disabled daughter. Husband left her. She could have had more children, but she thought she wouldn't be able to cope. Tragic, really.
"He had a duty to father and raise healthy children as future citizens of Rome, to maintain the moral propriety and well-being of his household, to honour his clan and ancestral gods and to dutifully participate - and if possible, serve - in Rome's political, religious and social life. In effect, the pater familias was expected to be a good citizen. In theory at least, he held powers of life and death over every member of his extended familia through ancient right but in practice, the extreme form of this right was seldom exercised."
The question I asked Riven Vincent:
"What are the benefits for the taxpayer in continuing to support the burdensome and unproductive existence of Celyn who will never lead a normal productive life and who is also ruining the childhoods of her healthy and normal brothers or sisters?"
Facebook friend's comment:
"No one in the political establishment dares to say no to any demand from mothers and families. It is terrible moral blackmail and every time someone surrenders they return to exact more and more. As it has been said in another context: paying the Vikings the Danegeld did not encourage them to leave. Instead, they came back asking for more and more."
