Monday, 12 December 2016

Discussing whether feminism is evil with Stefan Molyneux

Stefan Molyneux says feminism is evil.

Then he says it is not.

Then he says it is again.


Claire Khaw said...

Before abolishing feminism, we have to prove its evil.

To abolish feminism, distill its principles that are supported by law and repeal those laws. Anti-discrimination legislation is thoughtcrime and therefore totalitarian. Even Islam is not totalitarian and guarantees freedom of belief eg Koran 2:256

I define evil as being against God's laws and causing unnecessary suffering. Civilisation is good and anything that undermines civilisation is evil. Civilisation requires marriage to maintain itself and feminism undermines marriage by condoning fornication which God also forbids.

2:256 guarantees us freedom from thoughtcrime.

"There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong. So whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold with no break in it. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing."

24:2 in fact applies to both sexes:

"The [unmarried] woman or [unmarried] man found guilty of sexual intercourse - lash each one of them with a hundred lashes, and do not be taken by pity for them in the religion of Allah , if you should believe in Allah and the Last Day. And let a group of the believers witness their punishment."

It is undeniably authoritarian but it is not totalitarian, unlike Christianity.

If you want to do something as drastic as abolishing feminism and the welfare state you need to give people notice as well as a good believable reason.

Natural law is divine law, divine law is God's law, and following God's laws means you are a theocracy. Secular Koranism is undeniably theocratic. I am interested only in permanent solutions, not what I think will be considered acceptable by the current establishment.

AL said...

No direct discussion in podcast re: how to remove feminism, though I suppose removing welfare would be part of it.

Feminism has a malicious hatred of men, esp. male heterosexuality as a key component. This sadistic malice was not discussed.

Feminism also bends/distorts truth and surely truth is vital to a philosopher such as SM. Sadly not mentioned.

Christianity *does* have thought sins (crimes) - SM is correct there!

I fully agree with strictly enforced morals *that further civilization and are just for all parties*. This can be via non-violent shaming if that is what a culture agrees. I don't agree with violent punishments for one sex only.

SM stated in the middle of his Cassie Jaye interview that he was OK with gay marriage! Oh dear...I wish he'd elaborate. This doesn't sound good for true marriage/morals/civilization.

I don't think removing welfare incentives would be enough without some sort of punishment system run by a Govt. or community. There should be clear *positive incentives* for sex morality too - say prestige in doing the right thing and being a devoted husband/wife + having kids.

If you remove welfare suddenly, there may be far more violence + dead bodies on the streets. I'd be wary.

Morality necessary for tradit. marriage/family/kids = perhaps Natural Law is sufficient? If not, a formal religion.

Feminism also = the evil alliance b/n evil, selfish women and the State. It makes the State bigger/more oppressive. Surely SM doesn't want this?

You don't even need the State to make feminism evil....just conspiring against other human beings using feminist ideas is in itself evil.

Claire Khaw said...

You will find that 24:2 of the Koran includes both sexes in its punishment, though of course in practice it is always the one holding the baby who is caught.