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Well, that Tariq Ramadan Show was a waste of time. Usually Muslim gatherings have great food, but that was rubbish as well. Absolutely no panel discipline - Ramadan (the Modern and Moderate Muslim) the prima donna and bore - was allowed to go on and on and interrupt the Museum Muslim. They spoke mostly in abstractions. No attempt was made to see that all who had questions had them answered, and the moderator Hamza Andreas Tzortzis was blind to a long queue of women waiting to ask their questions (so I never got to ask my killer question which would have given them a few ideas about how to modernise Islam.)
He preferred to let the scholars have an endless unenlightening exchange with each other rather than let the queuing women ask their silly feminine questions. At the end, a Somalian man I had seen before actually pleaded to be allowed to ask his question, but this was denied.
A waste of an evening and £18.
Al-Haddad at least made a few jokes that were funny (on the question of how can we get justice in this world he answered simply "When we get Islamic law" which took the sails out of Ramadan's self-important sailboat) and was a master of conciseness compared to Ramadan (to whom the soundbite and a short sentence is an alien concept) who loved the sound of his own voice so much that he constantly interrupted, and never spoke for under 5 minutes at any given time. He even shouted as if he were addressing a public assembly when he was just answering a question by Al-Haddad.
Haddad wants to go back to Orthodox Islam (whatever that means and something only he and people like him really understood). The Koran is not open to interpretation by just anyone, Allah forbid! I suppose he means his version of Islam.
I did like what he said though, that if one looks after one's akhira (posterity or our posthumous reputation) then dunia (our life in this world) will look after itself.
Ramadan questioned the use by Haddad of the term orthodox, one of the wiser things he said. Otherwise, he went on and on and on about "the complexities" however simple and unambiguous the hypothetical situation given to him, which of course only he understood ...
So this is how scholars talk to each other. No wonder no one gets Islam and everyone hates Muslims. Boring, long-winded, obscure, incomprehensible, badly-organised, badly-managed and worst of all, men and women were segregated.
Just shows you how serious Muslims are about modernising their religion, huh?
There was a men's mike and a women's mike, and separate eating areas for men and women too.
Maybe Muslims should attend a few debates organised by non-Muslims and see how it should be done, but you don't want to be contaminated by us, eh?
Perhaps if you could bring yourself to risk your immortal souls by coming out and mixing with non-Muslims, you might realise that people who attend long and boring talks like to be given the chance to ask questions after hearing long and boring talks. Muslims just don't get this, do they?
Oooh! Imagine shaking our filthy sinful feminine hands. Yeah, you will probably burn forever in hell for doing that or just sitting next to a non-Muslim female. JAHANAM!!!!
Speaking of which, I think I saw Anjem Choudary in the audience. Whatever you think of him, he is an excellent speaker and very entertaining too. This man would make a great stand up comic.
If the organisers wish to redeem themselves, I suggest they hold a debate between Nick Griffin and Anjem Choudary to sell-out audiences and enforce mixed seating, ie
male Muslim/non-Muslim female
female Muslim/non-Muslim male
BNP/Muslim
in strict rotation.
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What you said about Tariq was quite true and the event was so much about abstractions that it was indeed pointless.
The chair was absolutely useless. He/she should have been someone familiar with the works of both Tariq and Haitham and poked, prodded and made them wrestle on specifics. But he too was a no-substance 'personality' chair.
As boring as Tariq may be and as much as he may love his own voice...your own rhetoric has the all-familiar borish and self-loving whiny stench of militant feminism. You make stupid generalisations about people, and your points lack nuance.
You failed to mention that the men's queue was larger than the women's queue - in fact more women eventually got to ask questions than men. And yes...with the exception of one they were pretty useless.
I've sat next to lots of non-Muslim females, shook their hands, and found them to be far less full of shit than so many feminists, like yourself. I wouldnt want to sit next to you nor shake your hand.
You dont have to veneer yourself with nonsensical garbage rhetoric like 'liberal humanist secular koranist'. You're clearly more verbose and narcissistic than Ramadan.
What you are, most probably, is an arrogant, poorly-informed, bitter woman. And I bet you havent published a single paper outlining an argument justifying that verbose self-labelling.
Your blog too im sure is just a tirade/rant/whining platform about how bad the lives of women are - with nothing but generalisations.
Why did you go to the debate? You're unlikely to be an academic; surely you cant be with such a weak and unobjective analysis? Are you a bitter former muslim? A member of the BNP?
Who knows? Ultimately i'm sorry you wasted your money. In the end probably best you didnt sit next to a Muslim man - he would have just told you stories about how he beats the crap out of his wife or not talked to you at all.
I suppose now you're enlightened enough to know just to stay away from Muslims and their events.
As for me, i wrote to haitham offerring constructive feedback (to which he replied). And i will write to the organisers about how atrocious the chairing was.
I am a member of the BNP, actually, so well done for being so perceptive.
Do you really think I am a militant feminist? That's very interesting. Perhaps you should read my other blog Battlefield of Love.
I told Hamza Andreas Tzortzis to his face that there was "no panel discipline" when Abdullah Al Andalusi was in the process of saying the same thing, but perhaps more gently.
Closing your eyes will not change the reality of the world. Where did you get the Quran from? Do you not read the Quran where it says obey the Prophet. You seem to be blinded by the contemporary feminist and liberal thoughts.
Hassan, I will have you know that I am a scourge of the feminists and liberals so your criticism may be a little inaccurate. If you really think I am a liberal and a feminist then please cite something I have said as evidence.
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