Today I tried to explain to feminists why "psychological violence" should not be criminalised as Lauren Laverne proposes. If it is then CCTV should always be installed in the home of complainant, but for some reason feminists didn't like that idea. But surely it is only way of determining whether what was being complained about really was "psychological violence" as the complainant claimed?
Just for making my point, the feminists have predictably decided to smear me as "sad", "troll", "bigoted", sexually unfulfilled etc, as you can see at
https://twitter.com/Becky_Pow/status/508583160419201024
Who do you think really won the argument? Read for yourself.
Just for making my point, the feminists have predictably decided to smear me as "sad", "troll", "bigoted", sexually unfulfilled etc, as you can see at
https://twitter.com/Becky_Pow/status/508583160419201024
Who do you think really won the argument? Read for yourself.
@laurenlaverne "Psychological violence" is a nonsense. You use physical force or not. Emotional pressure is wot u mean. Women use it too.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@lovestruck1978 @laurenlaverne "Psychological violence" = emotional pressure. Women use it too.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@lovestruck1978 @laurenlaverne You are just criminalising behaviour used by women, but only if it is used by men. @gazzaeuro @TheConWom
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@lovestruck1978 @laurenlaverne What self-respecting man is going to call the cops on his female partner for emotional blackmail?
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@lovestruck1978 @laurenlaverne Women should just stop shacking up with random men and bad boys and be more careful.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@laurenlaverne @lovestruck1978 @gazzaeuro @TheConWom That is a great way of keeping police busy on domestics instead of catching criminals.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@lovestruck1978 @laurenlaverne What is an "abusive partner"? Someone of the opposite sex who insults you and uses emotional blackmail?
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@laurenlaverne @lovestruck1978 Women are just banking on using the law against men while expecting men to not use that law against them.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@laurenlaverne @lovestruck1978 If there is something wrong with the quality of men these days, why don't feminists ask themselves why?
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@KBated @laurenlaverne @lovestruck1978 @gazzaeuro @TheConWom In practice men won't call the cops when their woman uses emotional blackmail.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@laurenlaverne @lovestruck1978 How about advising women not to shack up with random men and bad boys?
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@KBated @laurenlaverne @lovestruck1978 @gazzaeuro @TheConWom Imagine 2 cohabiting lesbians calling the cops on each other when they quarrel.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@KBated @laurenlaverne @lovestruck1978 @TheConWom Is "If u leave the toilet seat up 1 more time I m leaving" constitute emotional blackmail?
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@KBated @laurenlaverne @lovestruck1978 @gazzaeuro @TheConWom "Coercive control" = emotional blackmail or *parental authority*
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@KBated @laurenlaverne @lovestruck1978 @TheConWom It is so obvious that feminists don't give a damn about parental authority.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@Becky_Pow @laurenlaverne The law should not concern itself with trivialities.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@Becky_Pow @laurenlaverne Perhaps women should learn to sort out their own problems or choose not to shack up with violent men.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@Becky_Pow @laurenlaverne Women who complain about domestic violence have shacked up with violent men, haven't they?
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@Becky_Pow @laurenlaverne It is possible that women who complain about domestic violence are only falsely accusing their partner of it.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@Becky_Pow @laurenlaverne How will this be policed? "He said things that hurt my feelings and threatened to leave me if I don't do X"?
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@Becky_Pow @laurenlaverne We could have CCTV installed in the homes of all complainants. Then the police will want to monitor these crimes!
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@Becky_Pow @laurenlaverne Imagine the DV court cases with the court deciding whether what man said constituted DV cos it made woman cry.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@Becky_Pow @laurenlaverne Imagine the DV court cases with the court deciding whether what woman said constituted DV cos it made man cry.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@Becky_Pow @laurenlaverne Imagine DV court cases with the court deciding whether what man said about woman was justified cos woman did X.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@Becky_Pow @laurenlaverne I am looking forward to compulsory CCTV in the homes of DV complainants and relevant scenes being shown in court.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@Becky_Pow @laurenlaverne If we have compulsory CCTV in homes of DV complainants video-linked to cop shop viewing coppers cd react promptly.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@Becky_Pow @laurenlaverne Installing CCTV video-linked to the cop shop in the homes of DV complainants would be the fairest to all parties.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@Becky_Pow @laurenlaverne Woman threatening to call the cops on man arguably a form of bullying and psychological coercion, surely?
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@Becky_Pow @laurenlaverne Men 4 all sorts of reasons reluctant to call cops cos their woman said hurtful things or uses emotional blackmail.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@NeilDance @lovestruck1978 @laurenlaverne In tort this is called contributory violence, in criminal law agent provocateur. NB not underwear
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@NeilDance @lovestruck1978 @laurenlaverne So women who are beaten up by their violent partners have *not* chosen badly?
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@NeilDance @lovestruck1978 @laurenlaverne We cd have hostels for female DV victims with a crash course on how to choose better partners.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@NeilDance @lovestruck1978 @laurenlaverne Some women do provoke violence and enjoy being beaten. That is well known. http://t.co/4ZuyWqRCRu
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@Becky_Pow I am saying we should not be wasting police time with trivialities.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@Becky_Pow @laurenlaverne How do you decide on cases when one domestic partners "seriously" hurts the feelings of another?
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@Becky_Pow @laurenlaverne How do you decide on cases when one domestic partners "seriously" uses emotional blackmail on another?
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@Becky_Pow @laurenlaverne Perhaps we could have CCTV in homes of DV complainants video-linked to Domestic Violence Tribunals 2b established.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@Becky_Pow We need an objective standard n take the history of the relationship into consideration as well as the characters of the parties.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@Becky_Pow If we want domestic violence 2b taken seriously then we need Domestic Violence Courts 2b established to properly hear complaints.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@Becky_Pow Do you really think the CPS and the cops should have to deal with this kind of thing? Set up special Domestic Violence Courts.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@Becky_Pow Perhaps these Domestic Violence Courts should be run in conjunction with Rape Courts also to be established.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@Becky_Pow All these "he said, she said, yes you did, no I didn't" cases need to be heard properly. Can't expect cops to do that, can we?
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@Becky_Pow It could be considered a species of Matrimonial Dispute with a special court with special skills to deal with such matters.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@Stephsputnik @NeilDance @lovestruck1978 @laurenlaverne Are you claiming that people are never provoked to violence by words said? Really?
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@Stephsputnik @NeilDance @lovestruck1978 @laurenlaverne On what matter am I deluded, please?
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@NeilDance @lovestruck1978 @laurenlaverne People keep saying that about me! I am a living breathing woman with genuine emotions and thoughts
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@NeilDance @lovestruck1978 @laurenlaverne I hv heard of women who say to their men "u don't beat me these days. Don't you love me any more?"
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@Becky_Pow I am in fact legally trained. How am I an "indecent human being" as I am currently constituted?
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@NeilDance @Becky_Pow @Stephsputnik @lovestruck1978 @laurenlaverne I never said *all* women enjoy being beaten and treated roughly!
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@Becky_Pow "Ntfem" is short for "anti-feminist", actually. Women can be cruel to men too. I have observed it myself.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@Becky_Pow I suppose you are too young to have heard the saying "You've made your bed and so must lie in it." So much wisdom lost now!
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@Stephsputnik @NeilDance @lovestruck1978 @laurenlaverne Violence can be meted out provoked or unprovoked.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@Stephsputnik @NeilDance @lovestruck1978 @laurenlaverne What amounts to provocation is subjective.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@Stephsputnik @NeilDance @lovestruck1978 @laurenlaverne Different people have different thresholds of violence.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@Stephsputnik @NeilDance @lovestruck1978 @laurenlaverne You don't have to list them all. Just one is enough to be getting on with.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@Becky_Pow "Not even going there" to acknowledge that women are not the morally perfect saints you claim they all are? Why ever not?
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@Becky_Pow You have a better understanding of domestic violence than me? You have taken courses in it, I suppose.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@NeilDance @lovestruck1978 Is it a mortal sin not to agree with you completely on this matter and question the basis of your opinion?
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@Becky_Pow I do believe you are just now feigning ignorance as to the dictates of reason and logic. I am sure u can understand if you tried.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@NeilDance @Stephsputnik @lovestruck1978 It is kind of you to say that I would fit right into @UKIP.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@NeilDance @Stephsputnik @lovestruck1978 Because I was previously a member of the BNP @UKIP will not now let me join.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@Stephsputnik @NeilDance @lovestruck1978 @laurenlaverne Is this example you mentioned genuine?
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@Stephsputnik @NeilDance @lovestruck1978 @laurenlaverne It depends on the history of the relationship and also that particular quarrel.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@Stephsputnik @NeilDance @lovestruck1978 I wonder that myself with so many reports of @UKIP being full of trannies and homosexuals.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@Stephsputnik @NeilDance @lovestruck1978 You should know that @UKIP is quite popular with libertarians. @LibertarianAlly
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@Stephsputnik @NeilDance @lovestruck1978 @laurenlaverne Why, that's terrible! Women really should not shacking up with violent men!
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@Stephsputnik @NeilDance @lovestruck1978 @laurenlaverne Why do you think so many women shack up with violent men? Stupidity? Desperation?
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@Becky_Pow Are these women mostly women of the lower classes who only have access to violent CHAV partners?
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@Stephsputnik @NeilDance @lovestruck1978 @laurenlaverne Are these women often unmarried mothers?
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@PrincessObtaria What would be a non-ridiculous non-ignorant response? Don't you agree that prevention is better than cure?
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@Stephsputnik @NeilDance @lovestruck1978 @laurenlaverne Women these days are indiscriminate with their favours. Sluts are also stupid.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@Stephsputnik @lovestruck1978 @NeilDance @laurenlaverne A beaten wife should be accorded more status than a beaten sex partner, surely?
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@Stephsputnik @NeilDance @lovestruck1978 @laurenlaverne It has always seemed to me that men and women have never liked each other much.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@Becky_Pow Why not? Lower class men tend to be more violent than, oh, Dukes and Duchesses and the Royal Family. Why deny that?
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@Stephsputnik @lovestruck1978 @NeilDance @laurenlaverne Don't u respect the institution of marriage? It is the basis of human civiilisation!
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@NeilDance @Stephsputnik @lovestruck1978 @laurenlaverne Women should not be living in sin, let's face it.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@NeilDance @Stephsputnik @lovestruck1978 @laurenlaverne The purpose of courtship b4 marriage is for both parties to get to know each other.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@NeilDance @Stephsputnik @lovestruck1978 @laurenlaverne The more women randomly have sex and shack up with bad boys the more DV there will b
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@NeilDance @Stephsputnik @lovestruck1978 @laurenlaverne Feminism encourages women to be sluts, haven't you noticed?
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@NeilDance @Stephsputnik @lovestruck1978 @laurenlaverne Feminism has always asserted the right of women to have premarital sex, doncha know.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@Stephsputnik @NeilDance @lovestruck1978 @laurenlaverne I m the mind of a woman happily inhabiting the body of a woman. I use logic n reason
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@NeilDance @Stephsputnik @lovestruck1978 @laurenlaverne Thank you, but I am really only stating the obvious and irrefutable.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@Stephsputnik @lovestruck1978 @NeilDance @laurenlaverne A battered wife has chosen her partner more carefully than a beaten fornicatress.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@Becky_Pow Am I annoying you with my irrefutable points?
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@Stephsputnik @lovestruck1978 @NeilDance @laurenlaverne Then clearly you do not respect the institution of marriage.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@Stephsputnik @NeilDance @lovestruck1978 @laurenlaverne Because women who shack up with random men tend to get beaten! Duh.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@NeilDance @Stephsputnik @lovestruck1978 @laurenlaverne The only way of respecting marriage is to privilege the married, I am afraid.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@Stephsputnik @NeilDance @lovestruck1978 @laurenlaverne I do not hate women, unless to point out obvious truths is to hate women.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@IAmBeckish @Becky_Pow We were discussing the idea of criminalising psychological coercion, not of decriminalising domestic violence.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@Stephsputnik @NeilDance @lovestruck1978 @laurenlaverne The purpose of courtship is so couples can check each other out for suitability.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@NeilDance @Stephsputnik @lovestruck1978 @laurenlaverne No empirical evidence is required for that statement, because it is undeniable.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@Stephsputnik @NeilDance @lovestruck1978 @laurenlaverne r u claiming that women are never responsible for their actions n always blameless?
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@Stephsputnik @NeilDance @lovestruck1978 @laurenlaverne Why is it bigoted to say that women should be responsible for their actions?
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@Stephsputnik @NeilDance @lovestruck1978 @laurenlaverne The more slutty the woman the more likely she is to cohabit with a violent partner.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@Stephsputnik @NeilDance @lovestruck1978 @laurenlaverne The more carelessly a woman chooses a male partner the more likely he is 2b violent.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@Stephsputnik @NeilDance @lovestruck1978 @laurenlaverne On what matters do I lack knowledge? Is "bigotry" having views you dislike?
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@Becky_Pow What have I said that is stupid? What issues have I not understood?
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@Stephsputnik @lovestruck1978 @NeilDance @laurenlaverne A battered wife shd b deemed 2 hv chosen more carefully than a battered sex partner.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@Stephsputnik @lovestruck1978 @NeilDance @laurenlaverne The *logic* of respecting marriage is to privilege the married over the unmarried.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@Stephsputnik @lovestruck1978 @NeilDance @laurenlaverne It is obvious procreative sex within wedlock is more onerous than recreational sex.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@Stephsputnik @NeilDance @lovestruck1978 @laurenlaverne If you don't want to end up being a beaten fornicatress, don't fornicate.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@Stephsputnik @NeilDance @lovestruck1978 @laurenlaverne If u don't want to end up being a beaten fornicatress, don't shack-up with bad boys.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@IAmBeckish @Becky_Pow Police hate having to deal with complaints that are mostly withdrawn and unprovable. Try and see their point of view.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@Stephsputnik @NeilDance @lovestruck1978 @laurenlaverne I do not deny that men also suffer from domestic violence.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@Stephsputnik @NeilDance @lovestruck1978 @laurenlaverne You can provoke someone into losing his or her temper, surely?
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@Stephsputnik @NeilDance @lovestruck1978 @laurenlaverne Why do you deny that sluts who shack up with CHAVs get beaten?
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@NeilDance @Stephsputnik @lovestruck1978 I believe @UKIP shd b a source of social conservatism since there is nothing else now except Islam.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@NeilDance @Stephsputnik @lovestruck1978 @laurenlaverne Marriage is eugenic, illegitimacy dysgenic. Therefore cohabitation shd b discouraged
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@NeilDance @Stephsputnik @lovestruck1978 @laurenlaverne Marriage is the rearing of the next generation in optimum conditions.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@NeilDance @Stephsputnik @lovestruck1978 @laurenlaverne I m aware that the liberals/feminists care nothing 4 the long term national interest
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@NeilDance @Stephsputnik @lovestruck1978 I do not mean sluts in the @goddersbloom sense but in the fornicatress sense.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@brownrach @Becky_Pow @laurenlaverne Very smart women probably have very sharp tongues.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@NeilDance @Stephsputnik @lovestruck1978 It is harder to get a man to marry you than it is to get him to shack up with you.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@NeilDance @Stephsputnik @lovestruck1978 While a woman is trying to get a man to marry her she gets to know his character better.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@NeilDance @Stephsputnik @lovestruck1978 It is not that hard getting a man to shack up with you by offering him sex on tap, is it?
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@IAmBeckish @Becky_Pow If you are proposing to make public policy on domestic violence you should think through the cost of it all.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@IAmBeckish @Becky_Pow Are these deceased women productive citizens or unmarried mothers who are a burden on the taxpayer?
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@IAmBeckish Do you already know the answer to the question, and is that why you are so offended?
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@IAmBeckish @Becky_Pow There are some people who will not be missed. https://t.co/uy1mYUCysd @PeterLilleyMP
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@Stephsputnik @NeilDance @laurenlaverne You must be very stupid to shack up with a man who wants to hit you for breathing.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@IAmBeckish @Becky_Pow Just because I see the police point of view, my aunts, mother, grandmother, nieces and female cousins shd b pitied?
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@NeilDance @Stephsputnik @lovestruck1978 @laurenlaverne A slut is a promiscuous woman who chooses her sex partners badly. Do you disagree?
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@Stephsputnik @NeilDance Do u really think these women who complain about domestic violence are not having sex with their violent partners?
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@IAmBeckish To demand action but b indifferent to the practicalities of administering it or resources to be expended is simply irresponsible
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@Stephsputnik @NeilDance @laurenlaverne If you have chosen your violent domestic partner badly, then resolve to choose better in future.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@Stephsputnik @NeilDance We were discussing domestic violence committed by people who live together n have sex with each other, were we not?
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@Stephsputnik @NeilDance Not sure why you are bringing my sex life into it and implying that I "don't do it". What if I do? What if I don't?
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@Stephsputnik @NeilDance You cannot deny the logic and truth of any of what I have just said, whatever Ben Woodhams may have said about me.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@Stephsputnik @NeilDance Why do liberals and feminists start speculating about my sex life when they have lost the argument?
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@Stephsputnik @NeilDance It is such a shame that so many liberals/feminists call truth, reason and reality "vile". The truth will save you!
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@Stephsputnik @NeilDance I can find nothing that you have said that resembled a refutation or rebuttal of my arguments.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@Stephsputnik @NeilDance It has not escaped by notice that u dislike my views but disliking them does not amount to a refutation or rebuttal
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
@Stephsputnik @NeilDance Just repeat them or refer to them then. Dislike of an argument cannot amount to a refutation or rebuttal of it.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
Typical! @laurenlaverne blocked me on Twitter after I discussed consequences of criminalising emotional blackmail and psychological violence
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) September 7, 2014
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