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Monday 16 September 2019

I defend Secular Koranism against Norvin Hobbs







2:30:00  Norvin:

The rules in the Koran are incredibly dysgenic. They openly promote cousin marriage. They are specifically anti-science. Why are even anti-idolatry if you don't believe in God? That's not even consistent.

CK:

Neither the Bible nor the Koran forbid cousin marriage. 

Idolatry leads to self-worship, madness and self-destruction. 


https://quran.com/4/23


Prohibited to you [for marriage] are your mothers, your daughters, your sisters, your father's sisters, your mother's sisters, your brother's daughters, your sister's daughters, your [milk] mothers who nursed you, your sisters through nursing, your wives' mothers, and your step-daughters under your guardianship [born] of your wives unto whom you have gone in. But if you have not gone in unto them, there is no sin upon you. And [also prohibited are] the wives of your sons who are from your [own] loins, and that you take [in marriage] two sisters simultaneously, except for what has already occurred. Indeed, Allah is ever Forgiving and Merciful.


2:36:00  Trial by jury  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_trial_by_jury_in_England
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1401736/Abolition-of-trial-by-jury-would-let-judges-rule-on-cases.html

2:37:00  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cousin_marriage
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avunculate_marriage


2:42:00  The Koran is silent on FGM and MGM. 
FGM 'increasingly performed on UK babies'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47076043
https://www.nst.com.my/opinion/columnists/2018/12/440436/female-genital-mutilation-forbidden-islam

2:45:00  Jen is afraid of subs "topping from the bottom" - a phrase whose meaning is unknown to me but is obviously a reference to some form of kinky sex. 

2:48:00  No true Scotsman fallacy  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman
2:49:00  The Koran and the Bible have the same patriarchal moral values.
2:50:00  All civilisations rise in patriarchy and decline in matriarchy.
2:50:30  Marriage is eugenic, bastardy dysgenic.
2:51:00  There will always be sluts and men who want to fuck them, which means sluts should always be shamed or widespread bastardy will be the result which would cause degeneracy and the decline and fall of your civilisation.
2:51:30  There will always be people who break their own rules but when all the Abrahamic faiths of the world don't follow their own religious principles, then there will be a global breakdown of the rule of law leading to chaos and revolution. 
2:52:00  The First Amendment
2:53:00  Americans flout their own constitution.
2:54:00  You are more likely to follow the rules if they are clear.
2:55:00  Jewish scribes had a hand in the Koran, according to Norvin.
2:56:00  I am accused of saying false things but these things are not specified. 
2:57:00  Norvin says Islam has to be modified to make white people like it. I have no intention of sugar-coating the pill.
2:58:00  Slut-shaming used to be practised in the West too, I remind him.
2:59:30  I say Norvin is afraid of slut-shaming curtailing the supply of sluts.
3:00:00  The perfect patriarchy - 100% married parents.  The perfect matriarchy - 100% unmarried parents.
3:01:00  Norvin denies liberalism is a problem. 
3:02:00  On being asked if I have been to the US, I say I have been to America several times, but he thinks when I was there I didn't meet any white people.
3:02:30  How We Ended Up With 40 Percent of Children Born Out of Wedlock https://ifstudies.org/blog/how-we-ended-up-with-40-percent-of-children-born-out-of-wedlock
3:04:00  Marriage not a good bargain for men.
3:05:00  Repealing affirmative action and feminist legislation
3:06:00  According to Norvin, because some Muslims are pederasts, Islam is a failure.
3:07:00  Who is to blame if correct directions or instructions are given, but not followed? Do we blame the person who gave the correct instructions?
3:08:00 The laws of nature
3:09:00  "Islam essentially argues that men and women cannot experience love without bonding."

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