In just the same way that nihilists can only be motivated by bribes and threats, cattle can only be motivated by the stick or the carrot.
While it is understandable that non-human animals cannot be expected to understand and follow moral principles, there is an expectation that men who call themselves philosophers would have some idea of the nature and purpose of having moral principles and show some willingness to discuss and debate these ideas.
Which is worst and best?
1) To be cattle reared for slaughter who cannot be expected to know about principles
2) To be a nihilist masquerading as a liberal philosopher while refusing to state his liberal principles or discuss liberal morality
3) To be a nihilist who does not know that he is a nihilist wishing to remain in denial that he is a nihilist
Cattle at least have the purpose of being eaten. The fraudster even if malign serves his own purpose. But the man who does not know that he is suffering from the feminine vice of denial is the most unnatural and to be pitied.
Effeminate Western men are overwhelmingly nihilists and therefore Westerners, including Western women who understandably despise their nihilistic men, are to be pitied, along with their offspring (but most of them will have no offspring).
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Please provide substantiated evidence for your first statement that nihlists are motivated by bribes and threats and are worse than cattle.
And why are effeminate men nihlists? Again, we need substantiated evidence of this, as most effeminate men are nothing of the sort!
And what is your problem with them? Does their effeminisn offend you? God forbid if people are nihilistic and gay, let alone effeminate.
If nihilists have no moral principles, then they would only have the moral sense of cattle responding only to reward and punishment without any guiding principle. Effeminate men would yield like water to threats and bribes.
You haven't presented the evidence I asked for in order for you to substantiate your claims, not answered my questions.
"If" nihilists have no moral principles. If. That's not fact. What a ridiculous posit. People who are are nihilists do have moral principles. Many people who are not nihilists have the worst morals. You know....rapists, murderers, child molesters. Happy doing their thing. Yet utterly, morally corrupt. They make effeminate men look angelic.
Nihilists are defined as people with no principles. Are you a nihilist?
That is not the definition of nihilism. You're confusing it with moral nihilism.
We know that people with no principles are sociopaths.
I'm a nihilist in it's true philosophical and Latin sense - that there is no actual meaning to life. My morals are unaffected by this.
What do you mean by "meaning"?
If life has no meaning, why have principles?
Does only human life have meaning?
Is nihilism the product of atheism?
Aren't sociopaths also nihilists?
So you are saying nihilists have moral principles? What moral principles might a nihilist have that is consistent with nihilism?
If nihilists think life has no meaning, why don't they just kill themselves?
There may be no actual meaning to why we exist, however, there is no reason why we cannot have morals or principles in the short time we have on this lump of rock before we die.
You ask, does only human life have meaning? No, because there is no meaning. No human has yet been able to explain why we exist.
You ask, is nihilism a product of atheism. No. It's a product of cognitive thought, of someone thinking beyond what is, regardless of religion.
What do I meaning by 'meaning'? Put simply, what is the meaning of life? Why are we here? We're born, we live a short while (some in abject misery) and then we die. For what reason?
Is nihilism basically an adolescent affectation? If nihilists really believe life has no purpose, they would have the courage of their convictions to commit suicide, but then they would say they have no principles that they follow. Therefore it is true that nihilists have no principles or convictions, and unprincipled people are to be avoided and their political views marginalised and ignored. But why are Western politicians corrupt and their institutions unfit for purpose? Because they are unprincipled nihilists and sociopaths.
Of course nihilists have moral principles. That's like saying religious people are more moral than atheists because of God.
Nihilists still know right from wrong, like everyone else. They know that it's wrong to steal. They know it's wrong to lie and so on. Why wouldn't they?
Why live on if life has no meaning?
The purpose of our life is to wonder whether God exists and whether we should obey His laws contained in the Koran which are less restrictive than the Torah. We should also ask ourselves if we should obey God's laws even if we are not sure if He exists.
You ask, "If nihilists think life has no meaning, why don't they just kill themselves?"
Are you confusing suicidal tendencies/mental health problems/depression with nihilism?
They want an answer to a deep question. It doesn't mean they want to throw themselves under a train.
You ask, "is nihilism basically an adolescent affectation?"
No. Why ask this question? It's a ridiculous posit.
ou ask, "Why live on if life has no meaning?"
Because humans invent purpose. Why do we have holidays? Why do we celebrate Christmas? Why do we enjoy drinking, or skiing or playing with puppies? Why do we do anything?
Because we invent purpose to fill the time between birth and death.
So life has purpose after all.
How old are you?
Are you a married father?
You ask if I'm a married father.
No. I'm an unmarried woman.
"The purpose of our life is to wonder whether God exists".
No, that's the purpose of your life, or someone else's, and that's fine, but for the rest of us in a secular society, God does not exist and his "laws" are meaningless.
If life has purpose, what is it?
You'll be the only human in existence to provide that answer.
How old am I?
I'm in my fifth decade.
If you were married with children, would you still be a nihilist?
What's the purpose of having principles and morals?
I'm not married, but I'm in a relationship and there is a child, and yes, I'm still of the opinion that there is no meaning to life itself.
If we did didn't have any morals or principles, we'd have annihilated each other much sooner, and society would have broken down long ago.
Would you say the main difference between being an atheist and a monotheist is short and long term thinking and the greater likelihood of being married parents with better children as well as a greater likelihood of remaining in existence as a group and having a group identity that is sustainable and respectable?
Effeminate men are unprincipled men who will be cowards and hypocrites.
You don't think as human beings we should try to make correct moral and political decisions since we are in theory capable of this?
If you were in love, would you still think of yourself as a nihilist? Does your child know of your nihilism? How would you feel if your child were also a nihilist? Does the fact that we suffer and evil exists mean that life is meaningless? If so, why? Do you think we should write a book together based on a philosophical dialectic on the meaning of life and how it relates to morality and politics? Do you think this could be the revealed purpose of your life?
Even atheists engage in politics and politics is about changing laws for good or bad reasons based on their beliefs and perceptions.
So you accept that having principles and morals help to make the world a better place. Would you agree that seeking the knowledge to make better moral and political choices is in fact the purpose of life of the rational and moral human being?
Being greater parents and having better children has no bearing on whether people are married, not married, same sex, single parent, black, white or anything else.
Parenting does not require religious belief to succeed.
"You don't think as human beings we should try to make correct moral and political decisions since we are in theory capable of this?"
People do. Every day.
I can be in love, out of love, angry, sad, happy, and all manner of dispositions - none of it affects the deeper question of why we exist.
Remember, purpose of life is a human construct. Everyone builds a purpose. "I'm here to make a difference", or "I'm here to save the rainforests" and "I'm here to make my children happy". These are purposes. We give them to ourselves, otherwise life would be downright miserable.
The meaning of our existence has nothing to do with purpose.
Why does the meaning of our existence have nothing to do with purpose?
So people created God to give their lives meaning and a sense of purpose.
"Why does the meaning of our existence have nothing to do with purpose?"
Purpose is created by humans.
The meaning of existence isn't.
Why is it when I see your posts now I think of poor Don Quixote tilting at windmills?
Quixote thought windmills were giants, I am merely exposing the vested interests of liberal Western thought based on error, chauvinism, complacency, bigotry, Islamophobia, antisemitism and denial caused by indulgence in the seven deadly sins. As an agnostic, I can't help noticing that all the errors in government policy is caused by political views that are morally and intellectually indefensible which no atheist liberal philosopher will discuss properly or honestly. To the extent that these errors are gigantic and catastrophic, I appreciate your analogy, but I don't think these errors are imaginary. You claim to be liberal but don't seem to be able to define liberalism or state its principles. My point is that it has been hijacked by unscrupulous politicians to justify anything they cook up because liberalism has no official handbook or book of rules and neither has Christianity which is the hearsay of mortal and fallible men. Since you have no principles you care to state, it can be inferred that you have none and are therefore a nihilist. You are aware that being known as an unprincipled nihilist is a bad thing and have demanded that I concede that you are not a nihilist while still declining to state your principles.
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