11:34 AM
@Eolson-helper
#1
Can you do AA of you don’t drink?
11:36 AM
@Eolson-helper
#1
I have found confession hard to broach in A Protestant context.
11:41 AM
@MessiahSubstitute
@Eolson-helper There's Al Anon for family members of the alcoholic.
11:41 AM
@ChadMatthewAlvin
#3
Oh
11:43 AM
@ChadMatthewAlvin
#3
The steps are a tool for stripping away Common manifestations of self centeredness to grow closer to god and love /serve others
11:44 AM
@ChadMatthewAlvin
#1
It’s almost like a pragmatic monastic process
11:45 AM
@ChadMatthewAlvin
#1
It’s a joyful tool
11:45 AM
@YawnGod
@Eolson-helper He's alright but a bit too...magoo. Math is for autists, after all 🤔
11:45 AM
@Eolson-helper
#3
Magoo - ?
11:45 AM
@YawnGod
@Eolson-helper You don't know Mr. Magoo?
11:46 AM
@Eolson-helper
#3
I don’t know much
11:46 AM
@YawnGod
@Eolson-helper See, you are not autistic 😉
11:46 AM
@MessiahSubstitute
@chrishoward8473 Did you watch Mark Parker's stream on his proposed conversion to Catholicism?
11:47 AM
@Eolson-helper
#3
I’ve had some people propose it. But most of my quirks are ADHD related.
11:47 AM
@YawnGod
I don't think a church can fill the void in Mark's heart 🤔
11:47 AM
@MessiahSubstitute
Mark is really more a liberal than Christian because he said he would be more Sam Harris's friend than Doug Wilson's!
11:48 AM
@MessiahSubstitute
#2
@YawnGod Mark may say Jesus a lot but I think his real religion is liberalism and being a Democrat just because he hates Trump so much!
11:49 AM
@YawnGod
@MessiahSubstitute You know...I can't call your assessment incorrect ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
11:49 AM
@stefaniecristos8514
Did Mark respond to your email? Or at least acknowledge it?
11:50 AM
@MessiahSubstitute
#2
Mark is perhaps more a religious dabbler because he considered becoming Buddhist trying to extract maximum spiritual experiences from his religious tourism.
11:51 AM
@MessiahSubstitute
#2
@chrishoward8473 I think Mark wants to be talked about for content producing reasons!
11:51 AM
@stefaniecristos8514
He’s a seeker, I believe, as are so many of us.
11:51 AM
@stefaniecristos8514
#1
And what you said, Claire, could also be true at the same time.
11:51 AM
@YawnGod
@MessiahSubstitute Are you Ms. Khaw?
11:52 AM
@stefaniecristos8514
#1
Aren’t we all multi layered and complicated?
11:52 AM
@MessiahSubstitute
#3
If Mark is really a liberal at heart, then he should bear in mind Whig history. Catholics take a quite different view of Whig history to Protestants.
11:53 AM
@MessiahSubstitute
#3
@YawnGod I just talk about the things I want to talk about under the umbrella of my political activism.
11:53 AM
@stefaniecristos8514
#1
Ah, sorry
11:54 AM
@ChadMatthewAlvin
#2
It seems like most people in tlc including Brent are operating from a position of faith
11:54 AM
@MessiahSubstitute
#3
@BrentBrowling Very true.
11:55 AM
@MessiahSubstitute
#3
I like to think I operate from a position of logic. Most people want to operate under "woo". Drives me crazy.
11:55 AM
@ChadMatthewAlvin
#2
Messiah You're faithful to your logic
11:55 AM
@ChadMatthewAlvin
#2
Faith is fundamental
11:56 AM
@MessiahSubstitute
#3
Truth and logic are survival strategies. Morality completes it.
11:56 AM
@YawnGod
It's like shuffling. Logic is knowing what the shuffle will bring. And that is called "cheating". So...it's okay to be illogical because it's all part of the game ♠❤♦♣
11:57 AM
@MessiahSubstitute
#3
You have to believe your moral system works. Arguably, even liberals have faith that liberalism is best of all. But is it really?
11:57 AM
@ChadMatthewAlvin
#2
Again. You are leaning on a fundamental faith
11:57 AM
@MessiahSubstitute
#3
What does it mean to be "more Christian"?
11:58 AM
@MessiahSubstitute
#3
There are so many kinds of Christianity rife with sectarianism and schism.
11:58 AM
@ChadMatthewAlvin
#2
Water is wet sky is blue and faith is a fundamental attribute of consciousness
11:59 AM
@BrentBrowling
@MessiahSubstitute yeah, he condones their grievance rage, codependency enabling toxicity
11:59 AM
@ChadMatthewAlvin
#2
I actually think this how it’s possible for us to talk
11:59 AM
@MessiahSubstitute
#3
Christians are the only religious group who have fought a European Wars of Religion and two World Wars with each other. Oh, and the American Civil War and the Mexican-American War and .the Spanish American War and the Paraguayan War. If WW3 breaks out, it will be started by those pesky Christians again.
12:00 PM
@stefaniecristos8514
#1
Salvation is freely offered to ALL. That’s the truth and beauty of Christianity. How to get it is a point of argument and things go downhill from there.
12:01 PM
@YawnGod
You can't call yourself a good person. You need others to call you a good person. Can one say, I am a Christian, independent of others calling or labeling you Christian? 🤔
12:01 PM
@MessiahSubstitute
#3
Is Christianity idolatry, which is a mortal sin?
12:02 PM
@YawnGod
You can't call yourself a martyr. Others...make you a martyr. Anyway 🤔
12:02 PM
@MessiahSubstitute
#3
@YawnGod Confirmation ceremonies exist eg the Catholic Church and Anglican Church. Baptists take their credal baptism seriously. The Trinity is so complex people cannot be assumed to understand it.
12:03 PM
@YawnGod
@MessiahSubstitute The Trinity is easy to understand if you use the noun/adjective/verb/adverb analogy. But grammar isn't for everyone 🤔
12:04 PM
@MessiahSubstitute
#3
@YawnGod Orthodox Christianity do not have a confirmation ceremony. Anabaptists basically campaigned for the confirmation ceremony through their martyrdom.
12:05 PM
@YawnGod
@MessiahSubstitute Are ceremonies idolatry embodied? 🤔
12:05 PM
@ethan.caughey
Chris Howard’s over here just wrestling with the problem of evil.
12:05 PM
@MessiahSubstitute
#3
@BrentBrowling The Abrahamic religions are stated to be Judaism, Christianity and Islam. These religions are stated to be Abrahamic because Abraham is mentioned.
12:06 PM
@MessiahSubstitute
#3
It is possible to be a Jew or Muslim apparently correctly praying yet still be guilty of idolatry, which is basically THOUGHTCRIME.
12:06 PM
@ChadMatthewAlvin
#2
I think it will be like my dog suddenly Able to understand in a deep way how to sing happy birthday
12:06 PM
@MessiahSubstitute
#3
Evil is what God forbids and good what He commands.
12:06 PM
@YawnGod
@MessiahSubstitute Based and Orwellpilled 💊
12:07 PM
@stefaniecristos8514
#1
Have you read The Great Divorce? That book was so helpful to me.
12:07 PM
@MessiahSubstitute
#3
@YawnGod The Hadith mentions open and hidden idolatry.
12:07 PM
@MessiahSubstitute
#3
@stefaniecristos8514 Who by?
12:07 PM
@YawnGod
@MessiahSubstitute Strong hadith or weak hadith?
12:08 PM
@stefaniecristos8514
#1
C.S. Lewis
12:08 PM
@MessiahSubstitute
#3
@YawnGod Dunno.
12:08 PM
@YawnGod
@MessiahSubstitute Hadiths are on a specrum 🌈
12:09 PM
@stefaniecristos8514
#1
The lotus grows in mud….
12:09 PM
@MessiahSubstitute
#3
@YawnGod I know.
12:09 PM
@ethan.caughey
Poop is fertilizer. No symbolism needed.
12:09 PM
@stefaniecristos8514
#1
A little Buddhism never hurts 🪷
12:10 PM
@MessiahSubstitute
#3
@YawnGod I think the strong or weak Hadith idea only applies to stories about the Prophet.
12:10 PM
@YawnGod
@MessiahSubstitute Mmm, very possible.
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