12:13 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#3
Megachurches are like raves, aren't they?
12:14 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#3
It appears to me that churches are but social clubs.
12:15 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
Are social clubs soteriological?
12:15 PM
@ethan.caughey
Appearances can be deceiving.
12:16 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
Christianity mutated after its Atlantic crossing.
12:16 PM
@ethan.caughey
#3
Everything mutates; it's how evolution happens.
12:17 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
@ethan.caughey Every American should know that the Founding Fathers separated the church from their state. Social clubs do not maintain morality but go along to get along.
12:17 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
@ethan.caughey You don't seem to think that God made eternal and universal laws for humanity.
12:17 PM
@ethan.caughey
#3
I don't want church and state intertwined. My church is not a social club.
12:18 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
@ethan.caughey How is it not a social club? Does it maintain morality?
12:18 PM
@ethan.caughey
#3
Correct. Our weekly email has a very clear link that you can click on and report abuse.
12:19 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
@ethan.caughey What kind of abuse?
12:20 PM
@ethan.caughey
#3
I haven't clicked the link, so I don't know. But immoral behavior generally creates abuse, so we have a clear method for discipline.
12:21 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
@ethan.caughey What is immoral behaviour?
12:21 PM
@ethan.caughey
#3
And now you're playing dumb and trying to set up a trap with leading questions. I'm done playing with you. You know full well what immoral behavior is.
12:22 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
@ethan.caughey I don't know what your church considers to be immoral behaviour and neither do you, it seems.
12:22 PM
@chrishoward8473
We don't seem to be in a debate mood today
12:23 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
@ethan.caughey You think defining terms is "playing"?
12:23 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
@chrishoward8473 I was wondering if Olson received my answer to his Les Miserables question.
12:25 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
@chrishoward8473 Has Olson heard of the Half-Way Covenant?
12:26 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
@ethan.caughey For your information, defining and agreeing terms is crucial to having a constructive discussion about anything.
12:28 PM
@YawnGod
Is Ethan here to fix Ms. Khaw? 🤔
12:33 PM
@YawnGod
#2
Secret societies are protestant phenomena. 🤔
12:35 PM
@YawnGod
#2
"Why are you gay? ...you are gay."
12:36 PM
@YawnGod
#2
Listen...Jesus was black.
12:37 PM
@YawnGod
#2
Because sinning is FUN, Ms. Khaw.
12:43 PM
@BrianOfCollegeStation
We all don’t have to be clones of one another
12:43 PM
@YawnGod
#2
Trees bifurcate 🤔
12:45 PM
@scott9309
With little fishes on the doors
12:46 PM
@YawnGod
#2
You know that the United States is the country where most citizens distrust other fellow citizens? Fun times.
12:46 PM
@BrianOfCollegeStation
I hear in places more hostile, they memorize the Bible too
12:47 PM
@scott9309
#1
I have heard stories about groups coming together over fragments of scripture
12:48 PM
@ethan.caughey
Yeah, like just a few pages of the Gospel of Matthew
12:48 PM
@scott9309
#1
Be careful to not be a stumbling block of your brother
12:49 PM
@BrianOfCollegeStation
But one wouldn’t want to judge the health of a body based on one part
12:50 PM
@YawnGod
#3
Everyone is looking for salvation, let's keep it real. They really, really wanna go to heaven.
12:50 PM
@BrianOfCollegeStation
So yeah, not just the pastor
12:50 PM
@BrianOfCollegeStation
Lol
12:51 PM
@YawnGod
#3
Good works are just works which are not bad. If you think about it, all you have to do is NOT do bad works 🤔
12:51 PM
@ethan.caughey
The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Bad
12:51 PM
@YawnGod
#3
I like neutral, lukewarm works.
12:52 PM
@BrianOfCollegeStation
God breathed into humanity, ya? I always figured that means participating in the body of Christ means going with that flow
12:52 PM
@BrianOfCollegeStation
So not doing nothing ain’t doing that
12:54 PM
@YawnGod
#3
Better to be addicted to crypto investments than the burning bush 🔥
12:55 PM
@scott9309
#1
Omg
12:55 PM
@Jzepp
It all comes back to root beer.
12:57 PM
@BrianOfCollegeStation
Lol
12:57 PM
@YawnGod
#3
The Gospels of Jesus Christ are an inspirational, aspirational story. Heh. "spiration" 🌬
12:57 PM
@BrianOfCollegeStation
Power through Olson!
12:57 PM
@YawnGod
#3
I am pro-bullying 🐄
12:58 PM
@BrianOfCollegeStation
Olson! You can do it!
12:58 PM
@BrianOfCollegeStation
Keep going! Olson!
12:58 PM
@YawnGod
#3
Olson has that "daddy will stay calm" energy. I like it 🌡
12:59 PM
@BrianOfCollegeStation
lol,@yawngod
1:00 PM
@scott9309
#1
Wow
1:01 PM
@YawnGod
#3
We are plebs and plebs can't really do stuff on the global stage 🗺
1:02 PM
@scott9309
#1
It is to let Jesus embody the people
1:02 PM
@BrianOfCollegeStation
And getting right is a great way to help make things right
1:02 PM
@BrianOfCollegeStation
Splinter in neighbor eye vs plank in mine stuff
1:03 PM
@BrianOfCollegeStation
Plebs got a nearby zone of influence and should maybe focus there
1:03 PM
@BrianOfCollegeStation
Clean room, etc
1:04 PM
@YawnGod
#3
You can't not participate in society, because even if you do nothing you are still loitering on the street, and loitering is a thing.
1:05 PM
@scott9309
#1
Well said Ethan
1:07 PM
@scott9309
#1
The same spirit that is in the law
1:08 PM
@BrianOfCollegeStation
Jesus spoke to politicians if they came to him. But he didn’t go protest Caesar, did he?
1:12 PM
@BrianOfCollegeStation
“We” is a little fuzzy there too
1:13 PM
@chrishoward8473
"We" is very fuzzy.
1:14 PM
@BrianOfCollegeStation
Other things one can do is contact the politicians between votes
1:15 PM
@YawnGod
#3
Guys...democracy is a psy-op.
1:15 PM
@BrianOfCollegeStation
Doesn’t do a lot (especially if you are a tiny fraction of constituency). But on a local level it does a little
1:16 PM
@YawnGod
#3
Non-violent protest means that you can boycott voting because "Free will" or something.
1:18 PM
@YawnGod
#3
Ms. Khaw talks like journalists who get killed for exposing Deep State secrets is not a thing. I mean...🤔
1:19 PM
@YawnGod
#3
To fix democracy, you need a personal army, and that makes you...a dictator. Ironic, a dictator is required to fix democracy. Heh. Fun circle of life this is 🐹🛞
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7:00 Chris Howard refers to my comment:
I
don’t think Americans understand that the American Republic was one of the reasons why belief in Christianity in Europe declined to the extent that Christendom ended in 1918.After the success of the American Revolution, the French and Russian Revolutions followed. These revolutions were rejections of monarchy and the religion that supported their divine right to rule.Liberalism was imposed on Germany after the German Emperor abdicated in 1918 and the Weimar Republic replaced the German monarchy. This was rejected by Nazism.In Russia, Orthodox Christianity was replaced by Communism.Italy became a republic in 1946. If Italy itself was no longer Catholic because the king of Italy was forced to abdicate, Catholicism has utterly failed Catholic monarchs the remnants of whom are the Belgian and Spanish monarchies. It is the British monarchy that commands the most territory ie its dominions in Australia, Canada and New Zealand but the British and the rest of the West apart from Russia are but US vassal states. How do Americans feel about Paula White-Cain being in effect the Church of America representing American Christianity?Let’s face it, American Christianity is a completely different kettle of fish to European Christianity.The idea of non-denominational Christianity would be utterly heretical to the absolute monarchs of Christendom and wouldn’t be tolerated for a moment.Denominational Christianity was at least a way for competing Christians to say “My kind of Christianity is more powerful than your kind of Christianity because the empire of my monarch is vaster than yours.”Non-denominational Christianity will have anyone as long as they pay. This is the Christianity of your President who has no moral principles that he would like to declare other than morality is what his mind thinks is moral. Is Paula White-Cain his adviser and conscience or just his voodoo priestess?
8:00 Individual v Corporate
37:00 ETHAN joins.
44:00 30 people in Chris's social club and coffee moring after the service.
46:00 The social club is Conservative Presbyterian.
48:00 Ethan's Anglican parish full of former Baptists because it was formerly Baptist, now non-denominational.
49:00 Schism over liturgy
50:00 Preaching and participatory music
52:00 Communion
54:00 Olson's pronoun problem
56:00 Congregation of 50-70
Young church which lost its denominational status
57:00 Anglican Lite with a blend of Orthodox
58:00 Liturgy
59:00 Wife non-denominational
1:00:00 No continuity even of Christian tradition even within one Christian lifetime.
1:01:00 Corrupted liturgy and doctrinal heresy
1:02:00 CLAIRE KHAW joins.
1:03:00 E Michael Jones mentioning the Half-Way Covenant
1:05:00 Non-Conformism is Presbyterianism where the congregation elect their elders.
1:06:00 Christianity in Europe is different to Christianity in America.
1:07:00 Judges and Kings
Individual and collective responsibility
1:08:00 Localism
1:09:00 "Flourishing Jesus followers"
His Anglican Church
1:10:00 GAFCON
1:11:00 Tolerating sodomy would tend to decrease the birth rate of your group.
1:12:00 Christian imperialism
1:13:00 Sodom and Gomorrah
1:16:00 Schism
1:17:00 Ethan says the splinter producing the remnant could be a good thing.
1:18:00 I should have said at this point "God is one!"
Sedevacantism
1:19:00 The British Monarch is the Supreme Governor of the Church of England.
Heresy in Catholicism
1:20:00 Christian Nationalism
1:21:00 The marginalisation of Christians is welcomed by Chris.
1:22:00 The Religion of Mum and Dad
1:23:00 The Orgiastic Pastor
1:26:00 OLSON rambles.
1:27:00 The legal standard
1:30:00 "The law is a floating average."
1:31:00 Ideals and standards
1:32:00 Thinking straight is better than hypocritically pretending you care about loving others. The lower standard is the law. People with low standards will want to know what is the least they must do or the most they can get away with to get to heaven if they believe in that sort of thing. If they don't believe in God or the afterlife, they can at least refrain from breaking the law. If the law is an ass, they could be asking themselves why it is an ass, instead of endlessly filibustering to prevent a discussion about connecting law with morality.
1:33:00 If only we really loved our neighbours and more shit like that.
1:35:00 The rules
1:37:00 Representative democracy
1:38:00 Gay marriage
1:39:00 It's not a felony to steal less than $950 worth of goods.
1:40:00 Hashem
1:41:00 Gibberish about Adam and Eve
1:43:00 Ethan has never voted.
1:44:00 What laws are Christian?
1:45:00 I am not a monarchist!
1:46:0 You are more likely to get a meritocracy in a republic.
1:47:00 Mormons
1:48:00 America bombed Iran, with love!
George Washington warned against political parties.
1:50:00 Political parties have no principles.
1:51:00 Representative democracy is a Punch & Judy Show.
1:52:00 We all have political power even without the vote.
1:54:00 Moral and political leadership chosen through hierarchy based on a functional moral order
1:55:00 Hashem/God
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