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Friday, 24 April 2026

Can Christians and Liberals still afford their luxury beliefs?

 

12:19 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
​​@βρεττς There is only one Abrahamic God.

12:20 PM
@βρεττς
#1
​Sure, there’s also one God of Isaac

12:21 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
​​@βρεττς What do you mean?

12:21 PM
@βρεττς
#1
I feel like YouTube is deliberately making us glued to our subscription fee to see who’s going live

12:21 PM
@βρεττς
#1
​I mean, not the god of Ishmael

12:22 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
​​@βρεττς YouTube is a behavioural addiction. If we are here chitchatting about nothing in particular, we do not understand what the government is up to.

12:22 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
​​@βρεττς So you think there is more than one Abrahamic God?

12:23 PM
@βρεττς
#1
Nope but I don’t want to junk up Chris’s comments with us

12:23 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
​​@βρεττς Chris doesn't mind. There's nothing going on here anyway.

12:23 PM
@βρεττς
#1
​It’s forcing Chris to read through our crap to get something meaningful to bring up

12:24 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
​​@βρεττς What could be more meaningful than theology to people who believe in God?

12:25 PM
@βρεττς
#1
​Time and place

12:25 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
​​@βρεττς When would be the time? Where would be the place?

12:25 PM
@βρεττς
#1
​Balance

12:26 PM
@βρεττς
#1
​Ron offshoring the prayer request.

12:26 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
​​@βρεττς Are you calling me unbalanced? It's just the two of us.

12:27 PM
@βρεττς
#1
​Lean more towards casual talk from time to time in what people are discussing on screen would be balanced

12:27 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
​​Analysis, diagnosis and prognosis is better than prayer chains.

12:29 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
​​@βρεττς Soylent Green

12:30 PM
@βρεττς
#1
​That movie definitely had deep connotations

12:34 PM
@βρεττς
#1
​Luxury beliefs was definitely in dinner with Andre

12:38 PM
@βρεττς
​#1
​Probably depends on whether he was asked to be taken to dinner or let’s do dinner

12:40 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
​​Economy beliefs are easy to believe. Luxury beliefs are hard to believe.

12:40 PM
@βρεττς
#1
​They’re sitting at a nice restaurant pontificating about worldly things in a safe country. So I would have to say very Greek.

12:40 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
​​Beliefs imposed by religion are designed to make the believer feel safe and good.

12:41 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
​​The basic belief for all societies is marriage and family values if you want to keep your group in existence and apart from others.

12:42 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
​​All the five world religions are designed to protect its adherents from pessimism and fear of suffering and injustice.

12:43 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
​​A godless society is a declining society.

12:43 PM
@shoulderserf
​​Religion is a mode of control to keep people in line to make police work much easier than it would be otherwise. - paraphrase from Lewis’ A Pilgrim’s Regress

12:43 PM
@βρεττς
#1
​It gives me peace

12:44 PM
@βρεττς
#1
​I prefer Pilgrim’s progress

12:44 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
​​How do you know if your society is a godless society?

12:44 PM
@shoulderserf
​​Tune in to my Pilgrim’s Regress series to find out 😉

12:47 PM
@βρεττς
#1
​No luxury beliefs are having the luxury to believe nonsense and discuss it completely disconnected from it and from your position

12:48 PM
@βρεττς
#1
​I don’t see that as luxury beliefs at all

12:49 PM
@βρεττς
#1
​Or taught

12:55 PM
@βρεττς
#1
​Exactly. Proving once again, God is the decider.

12:57 PM
@βρεττς
#1
​Or God changes hearts

12:57 PM
@βρεττς
#1
​Pray for that if you’re sincere

12:59 PM
@βρεττς
#1
​In church, Theology is set. In specific churches. So no need to discuss it. In politics, most churches are policy driven not candidate driven.

1:02 PM
@βρεττς
#1
​The point of an open mind is to eventually close it around the truth

1:02 PM
@βρεττς
#1
​Otherwise, what’s the point?

1:02 PM
@βρεττς
#1
​Open open open

1:02 PM
@βρεττς
​#1
​To infinity

1:08 PM
@βρεττς
#1
​Being here to glorify God and know God is the highest. And “obeying “comes from the desire, sincerely out of love. Not a requirement.

1:12 PM
@βρεττς
​#1
​Delight in the law, not fear the law

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54:00  CLAIRE KHAW joins to discuss The Wall.
56:00  Luxury beliefs
58:00  My Dinner With Andre
59:00  Andre paid for the meal.
1:03:00  Are all religions luxury beliefs?
1:04:00  Godless life, godless death.
1:07:00  Truth and logic are basic beliefs. 
1:08:00  Marriage is an economy belief.
We suffer for our beliefs in a hierarchy of beliefs. 
1:10:00  "Trust the science."
Trust in the experts?
1:12:00  Having a belief system
Punishment for dissidents, heretics, subversives etc
1:14:00  Black Box Theory
1:15:00  The Trinity
1:16:00  The catechism
1:19:00  Heresy
1:20:00  "I said it first!"
1:21:00   Churches that don't discuss theology, political parties that don't discuss ideology.
Liberalism
1:22:00  Too much liberty leads to the Law of the Jungle.

Is believing that food comes from the grocery store a luxury belief?

1:23:00  Personality politics
1:24:00  Religion and  society
1:26:00  Who we should we trust?
1:27:00  People putting up with bad government according to the US Declaration of Independence

Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. 

"It's not fair."

1:28:00  Religion: beliefs, values and principles
1:29:00  "The Commandments are not the highest point."
1:30:00  "Having the same thoughts of God"
1:31:00  "The highest thing"

Prophets are in direct communication with God.

1:32:00  If you believe in God, why wouldn't you obey His laws?
1:34:00  You judge the success of a group by its religion.
1:35:00  Obedience
1:36:00  Many are called, few are chosen.
1:37:00  Leadership
1:38:00  Accountability
1:40:00  Abdicating  monarchs
1:41:00  Law and empire
1:42:00  People who don't even notice when they have been cursed
1:43:00  The European Wars of Religion
Liberalism was a predictable reaction against the oppressive totalitarianism of absolute monarchy. 
1:44:00  Inquisition
1:45:00  Trial by ordeal
1:46:00  The First Amendment facilitates rational discourse and prevents people being criminalised for having the wrong opinions.
1:48:00  The Afterlife is a category of theoretical reward and punishment that the living do not see. 

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Can Christians and Liberals still afford their luxury beliefs?

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