12:13 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
These stories are such a distraction. The most important point is whether Christianity is idolatry, but no one cares.
12:13 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
@chrishoward8473 Sir!
12:13 PM
@βρεττς
#2
Bang on
12:15 PM
@PepinmystepIV
#1
I appreciate Olson sincere attempt to actually discuss the topic at had, which is an admirable approach to dialogos, Brett
12:15 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
There are many stories and many interpretations of the same story. There is a hierarchy of authority.
12:15 PM
@ethan.caughey
Brett is a wildcard. I love Brett.
12:15 PM
@ethan.caughey
I also love the drum-bangers.
12:15 PM
@βρεττς
#3
I just believe in the supernatural not in the superstitious with cantations
12:16 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
@PepinmystepIV Unless Olson is directly contradicting me as he often does, I mostly have no idea what he is saying.
12:16 PM
@PepinmystepIV
#2
they are missing the exegetical context, Claire..
12:16 PM
@βρεττς
#3
Maybe broaden your topic scope off idolatry in politics and how the west sucks.
12:17 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
What is your position, Olson?
12:17 PM
@βρεττς
#3
Exactly Olson
12:18 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
I came here to ask Chris a question about Bart Ehrman.
12:18 PM
@βρεττς
#3
Yeah, it’s like Nathan. I’m hospitable, but I’m not gonna get talked over
12:19 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
I just want to know why Chris is annoyed with Ehrman.
12:19 PM
@βρεττς
#3
He’s a jerk. But I hope he comes back to Christianity.
12:19 PM
@PepinmystepIV
#2
Erhman was left looking silly when tried deflection on Hillmans theories
12:20 PM
@βρεττς
#3
Pepin where was that? That might be interesting to watch.
12:20 PM
@teestrypzSOG
Ross who? 😂 that’s how I pronounce his name in my head too
12:20 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
Ehrman now calls himself an atheist, so there is no need to take him seriously any more if you are Christian, is there?
12:20 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
Ross Douthat
12:21 PM
@βρεττς
#3
I want you Claire to become a Christian too. So that that’s worth talking about.
12:21 PM
@ethan.caughey
Claire using her evangelism skills for Hashem would be wild!
12:22 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
I am just here to reunite 21st century Americans with the objectives of the Founding Fathers.
12:22 PM
@βρεττς
#3
Where did Bart talk with Ammon?
12:23 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
@chrishoward8473 PVK was talking about Muslims believing Jesus did not die on the cross. How do you feel about that?
12:23 PM
@PepinmystepIV
#2
the ancient world under examination did not separate medicines, magic, rituals, and ecstasy... hence, there is a long established historical context of the word Chrio, which anoints the Pharmaka..
12:23 PM
@teestrypzSOG
Ross do be doing that
12:24 PM
@ethan.caughey
Rob, I think the Greek-speaking Jews chose the Greek translation incredibly intentionally. Christ subsumes the Chrio.
12:24 PM
@PepinmystepIV
#2
eg Homer is the oldest use of the word Chrio which uses it in a medical context
12:24 PM
@βρεττς
#3
Like Paul, you using mankind’s verbiage to communicate the Truth!
12:24 PM
@ethan.caughey
Homer's stories are pre-Bronze Age. That's my hypothesis. VERY OLD STORIES.
12:25 PM
@PepinmystepIV
#2
8th century BCE comes before 2nd century BCE, it's called "chronology"
12:25 PM
@teestrypzSOG
It’s objectively annoying when non believers tell you you don’t believe the correct thing in the correct way
12:25 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
The Sanhedrin convicted Jesus of blasphemy. This remains a live question.
12:25 PM
@PepinmystepIV
#2
denotation vs connotation
12:26 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
Secular Koranism with American Characteristics does not care what you believe in.
12:26 PM
@ethan.caughey
I think Homer's larger corpus which is lost likely comes from far older oral traditions dating back far beyond 8th C. Hesiod as well.
12:26 PM
@teestrypzSOG
Retarded Mohammedism or something like that
12:26 PM
@βρεττς
#3
So when I say I Woke this morning does that mean I dressed in drag today. Language has been fluid not consistent
12:27 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
Secular Koranism uncompromisingly supports the First Amendment. This means no places of religious worship will be closed down.
12:27 PM
@ethan.caughey
It's not Tuesday or Thursday. I gotta have limits. Tuesday is going to be tough. I need to be careful. Pray for me.
12:27 PM
@βρεττς
#3
Yeah, I think Homer was like 50 to 100 years after he lived
12:27 PM
@PepinmystepIV
#2
I dont make this stuff up, I just read and research.. im not into making wild imagination claims, im into discovery historicity
12:27 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
Secular Koranism is a legal system, not a belief system. I don't think people understand the difference.
12:28 PM
@βρεττς
#3
You wouldn’t be able to live in that system Claire
12:28 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
I am not allowed to join, so no need to get ready to fight.
12:29 PM
@ethan.caughey
Totally fair Rob. I don't think historicity is the end-all-be-all. But I think it's fair to put it at the top.
12:29 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
@βρεττς Why not?
12:29 PM
@PepinmystepIV
#2
Brett, no matter your opinions of Homer, did the text associated with him use the term in a medical context, and was that text produced prior to Septuagint and Dead Sea Scrolls? that's the question
12:29 PM
@βρεττς
#3
Otherwise, you’d live in one of those countries. You’ve been asked that before.
12:30 PM
@βρεττς
#3
I believe it was. But I also believe the use in Jesus time and shortly after meant something entirely different.
12:30 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
@βρεττς My objective is not to live in those infamous shithole countries you are thinking of, but to promote my legal system in the West.
12:30 PM
@PepinmystepIV
#2
leave all the fluffy bells and whistles aside
12:31 PM
@BrianOfCollegeStation
And I notice a lot of people think the table flipping in the temple permits whatever gnarly thing they want to do
12:31 PM
@teestrypzSOG
#1
Is Olson Pentecostal?
12:32 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
So now Olson is allowed to ramble on ad nauseam about spitting while I am prevented from clearing up long standing misunderstandings. Talk about willful blindness.
12:32 PM
@PepinmystepIV
#3
my thesis was simply that there was a exegetical context that the text needs situated within to apply your hermeneutics properly if you are concerned with historicity
12:32 PM
@BrianOfCollegeStation
Ipswich v Norwich time
12:33 PM
@βρεττς
After Jesus, the hermeneutics had a fundamental shift. The God Man’s ministry was three years long and it changed the world.
12:33 PM
@shoulderserf
Olson’s motto: What Is Jesus Telling You To Do Right Now? WIJTYTDRN?
12:33 PM
@PepinmystepIV
#3
Jesus was a Christ, after Cyrus and Elisha were Christ, long after Homer used the term
12:34 PM
@βρεττς
THEE CHRIST
12:35 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
The Holy Spirit is present in Judaism and Islam.
12:36 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
Can someone tell me what Olson is talking about?
12:36 PM
@PepinmystepIV
#3
anointing with pharmaka to the eyes was an ancient mystery rite process for "resurrection" - ie enlightenment
12:37 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
What is Olson's issue with the Jesus spitting thing?
12:37 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
Anyone explain?
12:37 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
Pentecostalism is Voodoo Christianity.
12:38 PM
@βρεττς
The significance of this title runs deep into Israel's religious history. In ancient Israel, oil was poured on the heads of those appointed to positions of authority-kings,
12:38 PM
@PepinmystepIV
#3
bodily fluids were mixed with drugs in ancient mystery rite rituals
12:38 PM
@βρεττς
priests, and prophets-as a symbolic act indicating God's selection. Though anointing literally referred to oil application, it could also denote consecration by God even without physical oil.
12:38 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
So Olson is a Pentecostalist?
12:39 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
Paula White - the spiritual adviser of POTUS - is a Pentecostalist.
12:39 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
American Christianity will come under global scrutiny.
12:39 PM
@shoulderserf
I think Olson’s claim, Claire, is that Jesus’ method for healing the blind people he encountered was not exactly the same every time.
12:40 PM
@ethan.caughey
Jeff dropping bombs.
12:40 PM
@BrianOfCollegeStation
And local church leaders can be useful for navigating. And running it by the wife like Chris said
12:40 PM
@teestrypzSOG
#1
I cut my dreads recently, so I’m going back to the gym
12:40 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
@shoulderserf What if Jesus pooped instead of just spitting and put the poop in the blind man's eyes?
12:40 PM
@YawnGod
@teestrypzSOG Bro, what's your take on Black Snape? About time? 🤔
12:41 PM
@BrianOfCollegeStation
Good lifts, @t!
12:41 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
So is Olson a Pentecostalist or not?
12:41 PM
@ethan.caughey
Was I the last person in TLC to witness the Dread of Tayo.
12:41 PM
@shoulderserf
I don’t know Claire - that would be pretty novel at the very least
12:41 PM
@teestrypzSOG
#1
Indeed Ethan, you might be
12:41 PM
@PepinmystepIV
#3
Euripides plays are quite "eye opening" to the conversation
12:41 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
The correct answer is "As long as it worked."
12:42 PM
@BrianOfCollegeStation
Oh man. Good guys up by 1 after a penalty around minute 10
12:42 PM
@teestrypzSOG
#1
YG, until Harry Potyer becomes Had
12:42 PM
@shoulderserf
If it healed him, yes
12:42 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
Traditions are being made up as we speak.
12:42 PM
@teestrypzSOG
#1
Fair Pen?
12:43 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
So Olson is a Pentecostalist?
12:43 PM
@PepinmystepIV
#3
the Septuagint was not produced in a vacuum outside of the Hellinistic environment
12:43 PM
@βρεττς
#2
In the tradition has been wrong also. And we know this because we put it next to scripture and confer.
12:43 PM
@BrianOfCollegeStation
It wasn’t as clearly a foul as I normally like. But for soccer it was probably fine
12:43 PM
@teestrypzSOG
#1
YG, I am pro black Snape. Hogwarth should be a reflection of the people she represents
12:44 PM
@YawnGod
@teestrypzSOG Based.
12:44 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#3
CAN SOMEONE CONFIRM IF OLSON IS A PENTECOSTALIST?
12:44 PM
@βρεττς
#2
Why does it matter Claire?
12:44 PM
@teestrypzSOG
#2
Piracy
12:44 PM
@βρεττς
#1
It’s a horrible movie
12:44 PM
@βρεττς
#1
His best movie was inconceivable lol
12:45 PM
@BrianOfCollegeStation
Actually. Kinda bullshit pen. The kick was high, but it didn’t connect. And the Ipswich dude acted like he got kicked in the head
12:45 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#3
@βρεττς Surely you take your Christianity seriously enough to care about the varieties of Christianity?
12:46 PM
@PepinmystepIV
@Tayo "lestes" was a derogatory slur for Afroasiatic pirates ☠ hence Jesus "of Nazareth"
12:46 PM
@βρεττς
#1
Yes, but not to ridicule someone who chooses a denomination. Sometimes it’s important to understand where they’re coming from.
12:46 PM
@YawnGod
Check out this wizard ⬆
12:46 PM
@βρεττς
#1
I don’t think that’s entirely true. They didn’t have last names back then so that’s how they identified people. There was a lot of Jesus’s.
12:46 PM
@teestrypzSOG
#2
Rob, if you write a comic centred around black pirate Jesus, I’ll buy a copy
12:47 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
@βρεττς To understand where Olson is coming from, wouldn't it be important to know what denomination he is?
12:47 PM
@YawnGod
@teestrypzSOG Whoa whoa whoa, criminal Jesus?! 🤔
12:47 PM
@ethan.caughey
#3
Black pirate Jesus goes pretty hard
12:47 PM
@PepinmystepIV
one man's pirate is another man's seaman
12:47 PM
@βρεττς
#1
I think I know he’s a Christian so I’m good
12:47 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
@βρεττς Are you saying Pentecostalists are the most ridiculed Christians?
12:48 PM
@βρεττς
#1
No, just like all denominations I think there are true Christians in all of them. A lot has to do with how well they understand their own Theology.
12:48 PM
@BrianOfCollegeStation
I want a comic about the British West Africa Squadron. But I don’t know much about them. Is that a story that British people think is cool, @t?
12:49 PM
@PepinmystepIV
Barbary pirates ring any holy bells? mooring? barbarian?
12:49 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
So Olson's denomination is a closely guarded secret?
12:49 PM
@teestrypzSOG
#2
Whenever Claire asks “are you saying that…”. Safe to assume no one said anything close to what she’s asking about
12:49 PM
@BrianOfCollegeStation
CathyNewman.jpg
12:49 PM
@βρεττς
#1
Haha Tayo from the upper rope
12:50 PM
@PepinmystepIV
Punic Berbers are the descendants of the Phoenicians
12:50 PM
@βρεττς
#1
Not the chat
12:50 PM
@teestrypzSOG
#2
By the chat, you mean Claire
12:50 PM
@ethan.caughey
#2
Olson is part of a secret, mystery cult rite dating back to the time of Apuleius.
12:51 PM
@βρεττς
#1
lol
12:52 PM
@teestrypzSOG
#3
Ethan wins cohost of the week with that beautiful play by play
12:52 PM
@teestrypzSOG
#3
I agree but do we have to start with Golf?
12:52 PM
@BrianOfCollegeStation
lol, @t
12:53 PM
@βρεττς
#1
Need to work. Will keep listening tho. Might not see the hivemind.
12:53 PM
@teestrypzSOG
#3
Bye Brett
12:54 PM
@teestrypzSOG
#3
I’m just hearing that Olson has a channel
12:54 PM
@teestrypzSOG
#3
I also won’t be surprised if I’m already subscribed to it
12:54 PM
@BrianOfCollegeStation
Lol@chris
12:56 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
Pentecostals are often stereotyped as the "least intelligent" branch of Christianity due to an emphasis on emotional experience, speaking in tongues, and a perceived lack of critical thinking.
12:56 PM
@βρεττς
#1
Wouldn’t it source code be one of the legs?
12:56 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
Some accounts suggesting they are the least educated Christian denomination with the highest rate of high school dropouts.
12:56 PM
@teestrypzSOG
#3
One legged stools are tryna corner the market on intelligence?
12:57 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
The movement attracts people with addictive personalities or limits critical thinking through authoritarian leadership.
12:58 PM
@teestrypzSOG
#3
A dystopian future ran by one legged super intelligent stools would need a black pirate Jesus
12:58 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
Some studies cited in the search context suggest Pentecostals have the lowest average income and education levels among Christian denominations, making them targets for prosperity gospel scams
12:58 PM
@PepinmystepIV
@tayo I am that I am, the stone that the builder refused
12:58 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
Critics argue the movement prioritizes emotional theatrics (like falling on the floor or barking) over "heady deep theological things," leading to accusations of being carnal or unscriptural.
12:59 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
Former members describe an environment where questioning church leaders is discouraged, which can stifle the development of critical thinking skills in some congregants.
12:59 PM
@βρεττς
#1
Not all of them
1:00 PM
@shoulderserf
The eloi are the food
1:00 PM
@teestrypzSOG
#3
Critics also argue that prophet Mo (PBUH) married a 6year old child.
1:00 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
While the movement may attract those seeking emotional release, it also includes highly intelligent individuals who reconcile their faith with logic, though they may face pressure to conform.
1:00 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
@teestrypzSOG Check the age of marriage in the State of Delaware in 1870.
1:01 PM
@PepinmystepIV
real divergent erudites have to hide among the factions
1:01 PM
@markboulton4500
I posted on a clip showing a guy strapped in a VR game . I got 500+ people wanting to go through a hospital dip to stay in the game . Did they not get the warning from the movie The Matrix .
1:02 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
Paula White-Cain is identified as a Pentecostal, having been affiliated with the Church of God (a Pentecostal denomination) from 1984 to 1991.
1:02 PM
@teestrypzSOG
#3
A warning to some, a promise for others.
1:03 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
Sounds like the smarter kind of Pentecostalist are there to scam the dumber kind of Pentecostalist.
1:03 PM
@BrianOfCollegeStation
@ethan, makes at least occasional IRL gatherings to touch base and make sure we haven’t gone off the rails super important
1:03 PM
@PepinmystepIV
"you will own nothing and be happy" doesn't sound so different than monasticism
1:04 PM
@teestrypzSOG
#3
Claire just talking to herself is hilarious. Please please no one engage
1:05 PM
@BrianOfCollegeStation
@ethan reminds me of Anathem by Neal Stephenson
1:05 PM
@PepinmystepIV
yes, olson, christon pharmakon is the mysterion techne
1:05 PM
@teestrypzSOG
#3
15 viewers on a Chris morning show doesn’t feel right. Chris has gone mainstream
1:06 PM
@teestrypzSOG
#3
Whilst you’re here, get them likes up
1:06 PM
@BrianOfCollegeStation
Chris is running late is how there are so many, @t
1:06 PM
@teestrypzSOG
#3
lol there were 16 before Claire’s name got mentioned
1:06 PM
@βρεττς
#1
Oh good lord
1:07 PM
@teestrypzSOG
#3
Haha Brett
1:07 PM
@roderickhare
Ethan, is it possible that you are romanticizing the monastery?
1:07 PM
@ethan.caughey
#2
Chris is one of the best pilots in the game. No crash coming.
1:07 PM
@teestrypzSOG
#3
He called himself a Christian Atheist!
1:08 PM
@YawnGod
@roderickhare Monks made beer because being sober didn't seem like the best idea.
1:08 PM
@teestrypzSOG
#3
They all want the fruit of the spirit without believing the resurrection
1:08 PM
@markboulton4500
This is the true PRIZE that the Catholic Church learned long ago . Hoarding material tangible knowledge .
1:08 PM
@ethan.caughey
#2
Rod, it is possible that I am romanticizing Jesus. I am a romanticizer. Just as much of a weakness as a strength.
1:08 PM
@teestrypzSOG
#3
Ethan, can we get a part 2 stream going after this?
1:08 PM
@teestrypzSOG
#3
I have some time to say dumb things confidently on the internet today
1:08 PM
@PepinmystepIV
yes he is rod, he forgot to mention the mercenary nature of warrior monks on the expansionist war path
1:09 PM
@βρεττς
#1
I’m an AA guy
1:09 PM
@roderickhare
I'm a romantic too. But I would probably steer clear of a monastery if I had any other options.
1:09 PM
@ethan.caughey
#2
Ai'ght. I'm in Tayo.
1:10 PM
@markboulton4500
We have come to a place in time to where your humanity is measured by the privilege's you can afford .
1:10 PM
@teestrypzSOG
#3
I’ll call you on discord now
1:10 PM
@βρεττς
#1
The only requirement for membership is the desire to stop drinking
1:11 PM
@ethan.caughey
#2
Rod, I'd love to hear the anti-monastery pitch.
1:11 PM
@PepinmystepIV
the term mercenary denotes the Mercedarian Order of Reconquita Crusader Knights that were founded to fight Black Moorish Pirates ☠
1:11 PM
@roderickhare
@ethan.caughey Not anti, just not convinced they'll save us.
1:12 PM
@PepinmystepIV
Reconquista*
1:13 PM
@ethan.caughey
#2
Rod, what I'm currently convinced of and working on is blending digital, literacy, and orality in particular space and time via a building. I don't know what to call it beyond guild halls and monasteries.
1:13 PM
@roderickhare
A religion that addresses the divide between men and women, in a way that both men and women embrace when they hear it, will inherit the future.
1:15 PM
@ethan.caughey
#2
Rod, that's part of why I'm Christian. But I'm not going to go into evangelist mode lol. I find the Christian answer to "the problem" of God splitting man and woman from The Human in the opening pages
1:15 PM
@ethan.caughey
#2
of Genesis to be wildly compelling.
1:16 PM
@PepinmystepIV
@Rod I just want you to know I always appreciate your contribution to the conversations in the TLC, you often provide a nice counterbalance to the groupthink
1:16 PM
@roderickhare
@ethan.caughey I understand, but the churches that appeal to women have the men shuffling away, or creating men they don't want. And vice versa.
1:18 PM
@ethan.caughey
#2
Rod, Yeah, I mean I agree with you. America, specifically, needs better churches. I've been in a lot of churches in both professional and non-professional contexts and it's rough.
1:19 PM
@roderickhare
I half jokingly say that SEC football may be the most successful religion of the moment.
1:20 PM
@BrianOfCollegeStation
Me and a dude from estuary want to write about the liturgical tech that is employed at Texas A&M
1:20 PM
@BrianOfCollegeStation
Thinking of SEC football religion, @rod
1:20 PM
@UpCycleClub
I am late, Pep. Does the stream needs any saving? 🙂
1:21 PM
@markboulton4500
life is simple . Do unto others / But there will always be that group to enterprise upon your purity . Decrement & protecting those principals is Christianity
1:21 PM
@roderickhare
Watching an SEC football game, you see a whole bunch of men and women who genuinely seem to like each other and enjoying each other's company.
1:22 PM
@YawnGod
Google Ngram says that the first appearance of Judeo-Christian is 1904 🤔
1:22 PM
@markboulton4500
I am a Thomas Mark myself . lol
1:24 PM
@UpCycleClub
Matthew 1:23
**********************************
1:40:00 CLAIRE KHAW joins to discuss why Bart Ehrman triggers Chris.
1:41:00 I try to explain why organised religion is so strict about wrongthink.
1:42:00 Scripture is a way of making leaders of a religion accountable to its members.
1:42:00 Going by the book in AA
1:43:00 The Company Handbook
1:44:00 Moral ultimately becomes law enforcement.
Non-denominational Christians
1:45:00 Snake oil
1:47:00 Divine revelation represents a quantum leap away from personality politics.
The Koran could be seen as a divine contract.
1:48:00 The US Supreme Court
Pope Leo was rumoured to have been threatened with the Avignon Papacy.
1:51:00 Atheists and nihilists would want everyone else to believe in God but not themselves.
1:52:00 Measuring the morality of a member of your religious group
1:53:00 Cheap grace
Ethan says Hashem.
1:54:00 "Judeo-Christian"
1:55:00 Messianic Jews
1:56:00 Is Jesus God?
Discussion of the Trinity avoided.
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