The Voice of Reason: The proprieties of forgiveness

Monday, 18 May 2026

The proprieties of forgiveness

11:48 AM

@OOOTLAM

We just need to know the ideal and the minimum standard.

11:50 AM

@SeekingGenuine

I see forgiveness more in a “woo woo” way. I see it as a way of a release of energy. A letting go of the need to hold on so that the energy can live, instead of keeping it in to fester and die

11:51 AM

@stefaniecristos8514

Hi Seeking, that makes sense to me. And for me, it’s usually a process, not a yes/no proposition.

11:51 AM

@OOOTLAM

You have the option of forgiving people even when they are not sorry. "Forgive them for they know not what they do."

11:51 AM

@ChristianDiaspora

You might like René Girard, @SeekingGenuine

11:52 AM

@stefaniecristos8514

Claire, I am the queen of “I forgive them, for they are so stoopid”. 😊

11:52 AM

@stefaniecristos8514

Not sure that counts, but it gets me part of the way down the road.

11:53 AM

@SeekingGenuine

I like that quote Stefanie haha

11:54 AM

@teestrypzSOG

hahaha the non-christian mind can't comprehend forgiveness

11:55 AM

@teestrypzSOG

Ron speaks for Christian husbands. yes

11:55 AM

@teestrypzSOG

her problem is that she's not Christian

11:56 AM

@SeekingGenuine

You don’t have to forget the impact, discernment is obviously important. But forgiveness ought be regardless of reconciliation

11:58 AM

@teestrypzSOG

lol this is hilarious

11:59 AM

@stefaniecristos8514

C.W., Girard’s Mimetic desire / scapegoat model explain so much,,doesn’t it?

12:00 PM

@SeekingGenuine

I feel forgiveness allows for the potential of accountability and responsibility to be taken up by the “necessary/right” host. If you control that energy then it often takes that potential away

12:01 PM

@SeekingGenuine

We can judge all we want, but ultimately we dont have the final say, so why act as though we do

12:07 PM

@logoimotions

this convo has spice

12:08 PM

@logoimotions

or the UVF or British army...let's be plural

12:09 PM

@SeekingGenuine

I think forgiveness is only in going through and integrating the pain, not dissociating from it and finding the easier path

12:15 PM

@YawnGod

What a full panel.

12:19 PM

@YawnGod

@OthelloElCid Everyone wants to puppet someone's strings 🤔

12:22 PM

@YawnGod

At least the Jews are confident regarding their supremacy. Whites can only be second best 🤔

12:23 PM

@teestrypzSOG

third best YG, the black lepfrogged you when they took over the NFL

12:24 PM

@YawnGod

@teestrypzSOG I want to see an AI clip of a Black Hebrew Israelite scoring a touchdown, and during his celebration 3rd temple aliens come down and memes abound 👽

12:24 PM

@teestrypzSOG

lool I had to mute cuz I'm cackling

12:30 PM

@YawnGod

Guys I am so confused

12:31 PM

@YawnGod

Sounds like Kabbalah ⚖🤔

12:32 PM

@YawnGod

Jesus Christ says that a 🐫camel more easily passes through the head of a needle 🪡than a rich man can enter the Kingdom of Heaven, and Jesus says that you should pray in your closet 🚪 EZ life rules.

12:33 PM

@ChadMatthewAlbin

I don’t know what I’d say

12:35 PM

@ChadMatthewAlbin

Well the spoken forgiveness came after proven guilty. Right?

12:38 PM

@YawnGod

Statues of limitations are running/have run out on Covid stuff. That's fun. 💉

12:39 PM

@YawnGod

Btw, Fauci was pardoned starting 2014 for absolutely nothing, because Fauci did nothing wrong 🤔

12:42 PM

@chrishoward8473

streamyard is not lettng me post it today... cut and paste?

12:42 PM

@chrishoward8473

We need to stop before 7 am... 18 minutes

12:42 PM

@teestrypzSOG

Josh, just wait for this to end. you can have another 9hr livestream with Claire

12:43 PM

@YawnGod

lol

12:46 PM

@YawnGod

@OthelloElCid Everyone is speaking the language of the colonizer 🇬🇧

12:46 PM

@teestrypzSOG

RULE BRITANNIA!

12:49 PM

@YawnGod

Forgiveness happens after contrition 🤔

12:51 PM

@MarkS.-ry7bm

based

12:52 PM

@MarkS.-ry7bm

I released a video comparing aa and Christianity yesterday. many are saying it is good (Ron said that)

12:52 PM

@MarkS.-ry7bm

in my "live" list on my channel

12:53 PM

@βρεττς

I believe what Josh is saying is how I feel. I think that eventually at some point you need to transcend what you have to claim as your deficiency to move forward.

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15:00 So Brett thinks we are all pre-forgiven?

So Brett thinks if Jesus was supposed to have pre-forgiven everyone, we are supposed to forgive everyone and anyone for everything and anything?

If Christians are supposed to believe that Jesus is God, isn't it presumptuous to believe they can in any way imitate God?

17:00 A Jew who becomes a Pentecostalist or is in any way a Christian is a heretic.

19:00 How would any American husband feel about his wife forgiving his killer 11 days after his killing? Yet Christian husbands clapped like seals at this.

20:00 Chris seems to be saying he would be OK with it.

22:00 Tyler Robinson has not yet been tried.

23:00 Forgiving everything means you don't have to do anything.

24:00 Ron forgave the deceased drug dealers who threatened to kill him.

28:00 Due process

30:00 Disrespectful of the widow to her deceased husband to forgive his murderer within 11 days of his death.

33:00 Submission to God's will like Job to any misfortune suffered

34:00 A period of warning

35:00 Forgiving means you stop hating.

37:00 Social proprieties

38:00 I am a romantic.

39:00 When people die

Purgatory

Barzakh

41:00 Mourning clothes

44:00 We expect the law to take care of criminals.

45:00 Pearly Gates

46:00 Perfect Justice in Heaven

47:00 God knows best, if He exists.

48:00 Adolf Hitler

50:00 Brett being so self-abnegating.

52:00 After God made Hitler die 6,000,000 deaths, Hitler can be said to have paid his debt to Jewry.

53:00 Paul

54:00 There will be sex offenders, murderers and robbers in heaven.

55:00 Redemption

58:00 Mitigating and aggravating factors

1:00:00 O J Simpson

1:02:00 If you forgive, you are closer to getting over it.

1:03:00 Belief in God makes us less likely to take the law into our own hands.

1:04:00 Jewess forgives her torturer in concentration camp.

1:07:00 JOSH joins.

1:09:00 We must do what we should do! In Latin, must and should are the same word.

BRAVE

Primary Distinctions:

Should/Ought (Moral Duty or Advice): The most common verbs are debeo (to owe, ought, should) and oportet (it is proper, it is right). These convey a sense of moral obligation or advisability rather than absolute compulsion.
Must (Necessity or Compulsion): The primary term for strict necessity is necesse est (it is necessary). While debeo and oportet can sometimes translate to "must" in epistemic contexts (e.g., "he must be there" meaning "it is probable he is there"), necesse est is the standard for unavoidable necessity.

Key Latin Terms for Obligation:

debeo: Ought, should, must (often implies what is owed or proper).
oportet: It is proper, one should, it is right (impersonal verb).
necesse est: It is necessary, one must (impersonal construction).
gerundive + esse: A construction expressing future obligation or necessity (e.g., mihi agendum est - "I must do" or "I have to do").

In summary, while debeo can mean both "should" and "must," necesse est is reserved for strict "must," and oportet sits between the two, indicating what is fitting or proper to do.

1:10:00 AA

1:12:00 Justice assists forgiveness.

1:14:00 AA and Christianity

1:16:00 Does admitting to alcoholism protect oneself against alcoholism?

1:19:00 Separation from God

1:22:00 Universalist