33:00 Emunah and Bitachon is not voodoo.
44:40
@OOOTLAM
God if He exists does not disappear just because you no longer believe in Him.
46:58
@OOOTLAM
@williambranch4283 Only Christians think God looks like Jesus.
47:56
@OOOTLAM
Maybe it is time for a correct understanding of God. It's not that hard, it really isn't.
48:23
@williambranch4283
Correct in human terms? Color me skeptical.
48:43
@OOOTLAM
@williambranch4283 Correct in absolute terms.
49:06
@williambranch4283
The god of authoritarian puritanical politics?
49:30
@williambranch4283
What is the absolute? Are you Buddha?
49:46
@OOOTLAM
@williambranch4283 God is totalitarian, isn't He?
51:03
@OOOTLAM
@williambranch4283 It should be obvious that those who want to correctly worship the Abrahamic God who forbade idolatry should avoid idolatry. Why is that so hard to understand?
52:04
@OOOTLAM
@williambranch4283 There are only two religions that forbid idolatry.
52:41
@stefaniecristos8514
Secular Koranism sure seems like your idol, Claire.
53:15
@OOOTLAM
@stefaniecristos8514 It's just a legal system that uncompromsingly supports the First Amendment.
54:49
@OOOTLAM
What is Nathan saying? All these words!
55:26
@OOOTLAM
I have already asked my questions.
55:47
@OOOTLAM
What does Mark expect faith to deliver?
57:29
@OOOTLAM
TLC is stuffed with heretics pretending to be Christian.
58:56
@OOOTLAM
I would join if I knew what we are supposed to be discussing. I can't just talk for ages about nothing in particular.
1:02:52
@OOOTLAM
Again I ask: what is Nathan talking about?
1:03:24
@rickcosci
Yes, he deconstructed the status quo..go into your closet
1:04:02
@OOOTLAM
@rickcosci What did Nathan say to deconstruct the status quo?
1:05:02
@OOOTLAM
Nobody can sum up what Nathan saying then?
1:05:11
@roderickhare
I know Nathan mostly by his reputation. I am genuinely enjoying his thoughtful exploration of this subject. Clearly someone who has paid close attention to the example of this man Jesus.
1:05:39
@OOOTLAM
@roderickhare So what is Nathan saying?
1:06:46
@OOOTLAM
Everyone is talking nonsense, it would appear. And no one can sum up what Nathan is saying?
1:07:39
@OOOTLAM
I really think I am concentrating, but I really have no idea what Nathan is saying.
1:08:02
@OOOTLAM
Now we are talking about Marxism?
1:08:21
@OOOTLAM
What is very important to pursuing justice?
1:08:27
@OOOTLAM
Nobody can remember.
1:08:42
@roderickhare
If you squint, what Jesus seemed to hate the most was hypocrisy and self-righteousness.
1:09:17
@OOOTLAM
@roderickhare Christian hypocrisy is unsurpassed
1:09:59
@OOOTLAM
Non sequitur after non sequtur.
1:11:41
@OOOTLAM
@Smithistory Politics is about government, morality, law, narratives and values.
1:14:00
@OOOTLAM
@Smithistory Our laws need to be based on a moral system. Moral systems are religions.
1:14:38
@OOOTLAM
If we were being rational, we would choose the best religion for our group.
1:15:04
@OOOTLAM
America does not have a functioning moral system but Americans don't seem to want one.
1:20:52
@OOOTLAM
Christmas is just Saturnalia a pagan winter festival. Under SK USA Jewish festivals would be celebrated and the Jewish calendar used.
1:21:46
@OOOTLAM
Under SK USA things would make sense and people would express themselves clearly. Schoolchildren would learn grammar.
1:25:00 CLAIRE KHAW joins.
1:26:00 The problem of evil
1:27:00 Just because someone enjoys wealth and power does not necessarily mean they will go to heaven.
1:29:00 The Book of Job articulates the problem of evil ie theodicy.
1:30:00 Suffering is punishment for sin or a trial.
"Monster God"
1:31:00 Are the Abrahamic religions about being guided by divine revelation or pretending you worship Jesus?
1:33:00 Christians can speak any heresy and no one cares.
1:36:00 If you believe in God, why wouldn't you obey His laws?
1:37:00 "Iran is doing OK."
1:38:00 "Random villages in Vietnam"
1:40:00 "Abraham could have been a schizophrenic for all we know!"
"There's two [Abrahamic Gods]!"
There is no textual or historical basis in mainstream biblical scholarship or Jewish, Christian, and Islamic traditions for the claim that two different gods were involved in the story of Abraham and Isaac. [1]What the Biblical Text Actually Says (Genesis 22)
- The Command: In Genesis 22:2, "God" (Elohim) tests Abraham by telling him to offer his son Isaac as a burnt offering. [1, 2]
- The Intervention: In Genesis 22:11–12, "the Angel of the Lord" (Malak YHWH) calls out from heaven and stops Abraham, saying not to harm the boy because the test of faith is complete. [1, 3, 4]
- The Identity: In classical theology and narrative structure, the Angel of the Lord is not a second, competing deity, but a messenger or manifestation of the same single God (YHWH / Elohim) who issued the initial command. [1]
Why People Might Misinterpret the Story
- Distinct Voices/Personas: Some readers interpret the transition from a harsh demand for sacrifice to a merciful cancellation as a psychological or moral contradiction, leading some modern commentators to rhetorically ask if God was "only joking" or testing boundaries. [5, 6]
- Distinction Between Gods and Cultures: Scholars note that the story actually serves the opposite purpose—it contrasts the single God of Abraham with surrounding Canaanite or pagan deities who routinely demanded child sacrifice (such as Molech), showing that the God of Israel rejects human sacrifice and provides a substitute ram. [7, 8, 9]
- Gnostic or Alternative Views: Minor, fringe esoteric or gnostic traditions sometimes split the Old Testament creator God (the Demiurge) from a higher god of mercy, but this is a later philosophical imposition rather than anything derived from the plain text of Genesis 22.
Would you like to explore how different religious traditions (Jewish, Christian, or Islamic) interpret the meaning of the Binding of Isaac?
1:42:00 What is the plot?
1:43:00 PAUL ALYN interrupts with Psalm 105 and 106.
1:52:00 Why is it a "very cynical move" to infer that God (if indeed He does exist) who made laws for us expects us to obey them?
2:04:00 Picking on me again.
2:07:00 Paul Alyn supporting the law and me!
2:11:00 Church discipline
2:12:00 Godliness and virtue
2:29:00 There are three kinds of Christians:
1) Cultural Christians
2) Believing Christians
3) Christian Nationalists
2:34:00 Are Christians really so confident that Curses for Disobedience in Deuteronomy 28 do not apply to them?
2:35:00 Karen Armstrong
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