.@Arky67 Typical propaganda sucker. 1. EU's own report says *Georgia* started war with Russia https://t.co/yQ27GeQ54B— Peter Hitchens (@ClarkeMicah) May 20, 2016
.@Arky67 2. EU also provoked Russia by seeking to make non-aligned Ukraine part of Western bloc....— Peter Hitchens (@ClarkeMicah) May 20, 2016
.@Arky67 ...& openly backing armed mob putsch against legit government.— Peter Hitchens (@ClarkeMicah) May 20, 2016
.@Arky67 UKraine in 1992 used threats of violence to block Crimea's democratic attempt to break away from Kiev https://t.co/v76nGMzSW7— Peter Hitchens (@ClarkeMicah) May 20, 2016
.@Arky67 ...and Russia's intervention in Syria came long after Saudi, US , British and French active destabilisation of that country.— Peter Hitchens (@ClarkeMicah) May 20, 2016
@NavyvetPC @Arky67 Then why do so via an armed mob putsch? US (rightyly) would not tolerate such manoeuvres in Mexico or Canada.— Peter Hitchens (@ClarkeMicah) May 20, 2016
@NavyvetPC @Arky67 And US historically did not tolerate such manoeuvres in Cuba.— Peter Hitchens (@ClarkeMicah) May 20, 2016
@Irish_Ryan17 @Arky67 Indeed, and interesting contrast between EU/NATO silence over Turkey's Cyprus intervention, and rage over Crimea.— Peter Hitchens (@ClarkeMicah) May 20, 2016
@NavyvetPC @Arky67 Your memory selective. Many films show protestors carrying firearms. 18 police officers killed. https://t.co/DXDZKneS8Q— Peter Hitchens (@ClarkeMicah) May 20, 2016
@NavyvetPC @Arky67 That was USSR. Russia (unlike US) has retreated from areas USSR previously regarded as its sphere:https://t.co/psMNBlSgfq— Peter Hitchens (@ClarkeMicah) May 20, 2016
@NavyvetPC @Arky67 But point is simple. Western nations regard intervention in neighbouring territory as reasonable, when it is their own.— Peter Hitchens (@ClarkeMicah) May 20, 2016
@NavyvetPC @Arky67 Russia warned repeatedly for 15 years against relentless eastward NATO/EU expansion. Was ignored.— Peter Hitchens (@ClarkeMicah) May 20, 2016
@NavyvetPC @Arky67 Now not ignored. Agree diplomacy would have been better, but only works if people listen.— Peter Hitchens (@ClarkeMicah) May 20, 2016
@NavyvetPC @Arky67 USA or Britain would have done the same, at least, in parallel circs.— Peter Hitchens (@ClarkeMicah) May 20, 2016
@NavyvetPC @Arky67 Imagine, if Canada broke up and a mob putsch in Montreal installed a pro-Russian government in Quebec.— Peter Hitchens (@ClarkeMicah) May 20, 2016
@NavyvetPC @Arky67 I'm OK with anyone having spheres of influence. Monroe Doctrine, anyone? Bay of Pigs? Grenada?— Peter Hitchens (@ClarkeMicah) May 20, 2016
@NavyvetPC @Arky67 Moscow gave up defence in depth in 1991, letting Ukraine go without a struggle.— Peter Hitchens (@ClarkeMicah) May 20, 2016
@NavyvetPC @Arky67 Russia has been repeatedly invaded by Tartars, Lithuanians, Poles, Swedes, French(X2), British,Turks, Germans(X2), ...— Peter Hitchens (@ClarkeMicah) May 20, 2016
@NavyvetPC @Arky67 ...This sort of thing makes you sensitive about your borders. USA wouldn't tolerate Russian troops 500 miles from DC.— Peter Hitchens (@ClarkeMicah) May 20, 2016
@NavyvetPC @Arky67 Who is 'they'? Russia is not the same country as USSR, is Christian, not Communist, and has no global power ambitions.— Peter Hitchens (@ClarkeMicah) May 20, 2016
@NavyvetPC @Arky67 No. They gave up power over the Baltics. But in the expectation that they would stay non-aligned.— Peter Hitchens (@ClarkeMicah) May 20, 2016
@NavyvetPC @Arky67 Once again, USA would not be be happy with geographical equivalent(Connecticut joining an anti-US nuclear alliance)— Peter Hitchens (@ClarkeMicah) May 20, 2016
@NavyvetPC @Arky67 if Ukraine, it was part of internationally-recognised Russian Empire before 1917,after which violently seized by Germans— Peter Hitchens (@ClarkeMicah) May 20, 2016
@NavyvetPC @Arky67 ...who were also an empire.Germans sponsored a brief pseudo-state, but lost war in Wes and pulled out.— Peter Hitchens (@ClarkeMicah) May 20, 2016
@NavyvetPC @Arky67 Treaty of Riga restored Ukraine to Moscow rule in 1921, where it remained until Hitler seized it again in 1941.— Peter Hitchens (@ClarkeMicah) May 20, 2016
@NavyvetPC @Arky67 It is now. Thanks to Moscow's peaceful withdrawal from territory it formerly controlled. It never was before.— Peter Hitchens (@ClarkeMicah) May 20, 2016
@NavyvetPC @Arky67 Expansion of NATO and EU into Baltics was never anticipated by *anyone*, east or west, at time of their independence.— Peter Hitchens (@ClarkeMicah) May 20, 2016
@NavyvetPC @Arky67 By the way, Baltics were also recognised part of Russian Empire until seized by German aggression 1914-18....— Peter Hitchens (@ClarkeMicah) May 20, 2016
@NavyvetPC @Arky67 The same German aggression that financed the Bolsheviks in their overthrow of Russia's first democracy in 1917.— Peter Hitchens (@ClarkeMicah) May 20, 2016
@NavyvetPC @Arky67 I know. Independence from USSR. Vote much lower in Crimea, and https://t.co/v76nGMzSW7— Peter Hitchens (@ClarkeMicah) May 20, 2016
@NavyvetPC @Arky67 And Ukraine's new govt wasn't prepared to let Crimea vote on *its* independence from Kiev https://t.co/v76nGMzSW7— Peter Hitchens (@ClarkeMicah) May 20, 2016
.@NavyvetPC @Arky67 Absolutely. Crimea is overwhelmingly Russian, almost as much as the Falklands are British.— Peter Hitchens (@ClarkeMicah) May 20, 2016
.@NavyvetPC @Arky67 One..more...time https://t.co/v76nGMzSW7 . In 1992 Kiev blocked a lawful, democratic vote on Crimean independence.— Peter Hitchens (@ClarkeMicah) May 20, 2016
.@NavyvetPC @Arky67 Pretty hypocritical for a country that'd just become independent because Moscow allowed *it* to have a referendum...— Peter Hitchens (@ClarkeMicah) May 20, 2016
@NavyvetPC @Arky67 And then Moscow recognised the result even though it was a grave economic and strategic blow.— Peter Hitchens (@ClarkeMicah) May 20, 2016
@NavyvetPC @Arky67 Compare and contrast Spain's attitude to Catalonia or Basque country. And ask yourself ...— Peter Hitchens (@ClarkeMicah) May 20, 2016
.@NavyvetPC @Arky67 And ask yourself if USA would ever even contemplate allowing a vote in territories it seized from Mexico in 1848— Peter Hitchens (@ClarkeMicah) May 20, 2016
@NavyvetPC @Arky67 On the contrary. Putin had been warning for years, most notably in Munich in 2007 : https://t.co/f30lQM5vI7— Peter Hitchens (@ClarkeMicah) May 20, 2016
@NavyvetPC Once again, Imagine how Washington would react if Mexico took over San Diego.— Peter Hitchens (@ClarkeMicah) May 20, 2016
.@NavyvetPC Democracy? That's a funny name for overthrowing the elected govt by foreign-backed armed force, and violating the constitution.— Peter Hitchens (@ClarkeMicah) May 20, 2016
.@NavyvetPC 1.Well, dear, say Southern California (seized from Mexico in 1848) seceded from the USA in a referendum...— Peter Hitchens (@ClarkeMicah) May 20, 2016
@NavyvetPC You should have read the constitution you were defending, then. It's against mob putsches and forcible removals of Presidents...— Peter Hitchens (@ClarkeMicah) May 20, 2016
@NavyvetPC Or is that kind of thing OK for foreigners?— Peter Hitchens (@ClarkeMicah) May 20, 2016
@NavyvetPC I didn't say they did. I said the mob was foreign-backed and armed. The guns were there already.— Peter Hitchens (@ClarkeMicah) May 20, 2016
.@NavyvetPC 2. Say that the truncated USA then made a treaty agreeing to share San Diego between US Navy and Mexican Navy.— Peter Hitchens (@ClarkeMicah) May 20, 2016
.@NavyvetPC 3. Then say that Mexico demanded higher and higher fees for this deal...— Peter Hitchens (@ClarkeMicah) May 20, 2016
.@NavyvetPC 4 While leading Mexican politicians openly talked of kicking the US Navy out for good. Bad enough eh?— Peter Hitchens (@ClarkeMicah) May 20, 2016
.@NavyvetPC 5.Then imagine that remaining US citizens still living in San Diego were ordered to adopt Spanish names...— Peter Hitchens (@ClarkeMicah) May 20, 2016
.@NavyvetPC 6. And then imagine what would happen if Mexico signed a Political, Military and Economic treaty with Russia.— Peter Hitchens (@ClarkeMicah) May 20, 2016
.@NavyvetPC 7.These are *exact* parallels with recent events in Ukraine.— Peter Hitchens (@ClarkeMicah) May 20, 2016
@NavyvetPC So what? Nothing to do with the subject. San Diego=Sevastopol. Territories seized from mexico in 1848 =Ukraine.— Peter Hitchens (@ClarkeMicah) May 20, 2016
@NavyvetPC I haven't been asked to. Of course Russia was present in Crimea(in many cases legally under treaty) . But no treaty explains....— Peter Hitchens (@ClarkeMicah) May 20, 2016
.@NavyvetPC No treaty explains the covert, accidentally revealed presence of CIA director John Brennan in Kiev in 2014.— Peter Hitchens (@ClarkeMicah) May 20, 2016
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