THE VOICE OF REASON
Solon, (born c. 630 BCE—died c. 560 BCE), Athenian statesman, known as one of the Seven Wise Men of Greece (the others were Chilon of Sparta, Thales of Miletus, Bias of Priene, Cleobulus of Lindos, Pittacus of Mytilene, and Periander of Corinth). Solon ended exclusive aristocratic control of the government, substituted a system of control by the wealthy, and introduced a new and more humane law code. He was also a noted poet.
An apatheist is someone indifferent to the existence of God.
Apatheism therefore means belief or disbelief in God would not influence the behaviour of the apatheist. I am an apatheist.
How is an apatheist to be distinguished from a nihilist?
Presumably, an apatheist has a moral code that will be followed whether or not God is believed to exist.
On the other hand, a nihilist is an atheist who denies the existence of God and God-given morality. If he obeys the law, it would be only because he wishes to avoid the law's punishment.
An apatheist is therefore more morally centred than the nihilist, who is assumed to have his or her own code of morality that will be followed irrespective of whether it is believed God exists.
An apatheist who is not a nihilist should at least submit to Truth, Logic and Morality and be prepared to answer questions on the definition of morality and which moral system is better. They should at least be prepared to discuss which of the gentile religions is most Noahide and which the least.
The HardKhaw Prawn @Stefan Molyneux I would like to challenge you with the proposition "A one party theocracy is the antithesis of the status quo, therefore a one party theocracy is the solution to the problems of Western government."
I actually thought the debate was a waste of time. I imagine that the Tower of Babel was built on the Word Salads of J F Gariepy and others of his ilk.
It is logically impossible to rape a woman who commands you to rape her. As for whether there could be a rule where women are routinely raped, this would only happen in war when a country is invaded by marauding soldiers when people expect this sort of thing to happen. It is unthinkable that there would ever be a rule amongst men that women are routinely raped in peacetime, since to allow that to happen to the women of other men would mean that you would allow that to happen to your own women too. It is unthinkable that anyone owning property would agree to the theft of their own property unless the concept of communal property were to take hold which requires rules and their enforcement. The Noahide laws are the universal minimum standard of morality.
A should or shouldn't debate would have been more productive than a "WTF are you talking about?" debate.
They couldn't agree on the definition of morality, and that was why it went awry. Morality is a system of rules designed to keep the group together and apart from others.
JF was basically saying that he subscribed to no moral system on any permanent basis. If he felt he had to kill you, steal from you or commit sexual offences on you or your women, he would do so if he felt the circumstances justified it or felt he could get away with it.
Now all we have to do is decide for ourselves who we would rather choose as our leader.
Universal - applicable to all decent and rational human beings.
@Stefan Molyneux May I suggest you frame the rematch in the form of a leadership contest? Then we will have no doubt who will be the winner!
26:00 https://thevoiceofreason-ann.blogspot.com/2020/03/the-incoherence-of-church-of-entropy_22.html
32:00 Multiple Truth Hypothesis
38:00 Why aren't we doing better?
41:00 The Black Death was pretty global.
42:00 Sin attracts God's punishment.
43:00 Italy as Ground Zero
58:00 Former Scottish Government official defends 'barbaric' claim coronavirus could be 'useful' in killing off bed blockers
Prof June Andrews faced a social media backlash for arguing that a pandemic could help the NHS by clearing record delayed discharge levels https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/03/06/former-scottish-government-official-faces-backlash-arguing-coronavirus/
1:01:00 Passport https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passport
1:04:00 Everything happens for the best and we live in the best of all possible worlds.
1:05:00 These things are sent are try us.
1:06:00 An Islamic attitude to death in the time of the Black Death https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Death#Middle_Eastern_outbreak
1:07:00 Christianity is kaput, therefore politicians are corrupt.
1:08:00 Before we die, we should try to make sense of what went wrong with our lives and society.
1:11:00 Church of Entropy were in a stream this week at https://thevoiceofreason-ann.blogspot.com/2020/03/is-claire-khaw-tradthot-and-what-is.html
1:12:00 Stefan Molyneux and J F Gariepy's debate on Universally Preferable Behaviour v Moral Nihilism.
1:13:00 Redefining nationalism as government in the national interest
1:14:00 Pandering to the hatred and ignorance of low information, low status and low education mentally ill people abandoned by their government because they were singly-parented badly-educated NEETs with no purpose.
1:15:00 The tactic of waiting for me to die of Covid-19 rather than engage in an honest and rational debate with me about why Christianity is kaput and the distinction between religion and politics is a distinction without a difference and why the only rational and moral choice is a one party theocracy governed by the principles of Secular Koranism to restore the patriarchy while guaranteeing freedom of belief with quran.com/2/256
1:18:00 CHURCH OF ENTROPY joins.
1:19:00 Yogi
1:20:00 We discuss the Molyneux/Gariepy discussion on Nihilism v Universally Preferable Behaviour. Church of Entropy is angry and incoherent.
1:12:54
Randall McMurphy
she's afraid of you Claire and your cunning
1:13:33
Randall McMurphy
deep down she knows she's inferior to you
1:14:13
Randall McMurphy
and here you are in her chat
1:15:11
Randall McMurphy
not talking about me
1:15:32
Randall McMurphy
Claire she needs you MORE than you need her
1:16:16
Randall McMurphy
and sitting in the audience watching it is almost like what serial killers do when they revisit their kill
1:18:22
Randall McMurphy
BOOM!! CLAIRE WINS!!!
1:19:22
Randall McMurphy
@The hardkraw prawn how did it feel to win? getting ppl to do what you want 😂
1:20:05
Randall McMurphy
Yogi Bear
1:20:34
Randall McMurphy
is this person certified in yoga?
1:20:56
Randall McMurphy
that's just your opinion
1:21:11
Randall McMurphy
I'm sure they say the same about you
1:21:49
Randall McMurphy
it depends on the person and THEIR perception of it
1:22:19
Randall McMurphy
yet Claire can still get you to do her bidding
1:22:45
Randall McMurphy
because CLAIRE is master and you are grasshopper!!!
1:23:22
Randall McMurphy
but Claire wins because you do her bidding
1:23:54
Randall McMurphy
@The Hardkraw Prawn call her grasshopper
1:24:19
Randall McMurphy
CLAIRE you are master of her mind!
1:24:44
Randall McMurphy
maybe.. maybe not grasshopper
1:25:38
Randall McMurphy
you can not advance until you snatch the stone from her hand
1:26:22
Randall McMurphy
grasshopper you need to learn your lesson otherwise you will be consumed by bigger predator
1:26:46
Randall McMurphy
your weaknesses show
1:39:00 Church of Entropy thinks Randall McMurphy is Jay Walker.
1:41:00 The best way for Molyneux to win the debate
Adherence to any of the five world religions - belief that we were created by God to follow certain rules of morality in order to make ourselves worthy of having
1) an afterlife not in hell or
2) a next life that is not worse than the one we have.
Deism, the idea that God exists but does not know our hearts and minds, does not intervene in human affairs and is indifferent to us and never answers our prayers, leads to nihilism.
1. Debating the existence of free will and determinism is the equivalent to debating the existence of God and equally futile.
2. A teleological approach would be to ask ourselves the nature and purpose of these concepts. If you believe in God, then you want to follow His laws. If you don't believe in God, you don't want to follow His laws. If you believe in free will, it means you want the dignity of possessing it. If you deny free will, it is because you don't want to take responsibility for your actions and want a fallback position when your attempt to exercise free will by embarking on a risky undertaking fails.
A nihilist is defined as someone who believes in nothing but lives like an animal. He acknowledges no moral system but his own, but what he thinks is his moral system is nothing more than his decision to be moved by his emotions and appetites, from one day to the next, from one moment to the next.
While he thinks he understands what is meant by truth and logic, his hold on logic is shaky indeed.
He only identifies with truth and logic because he sees them as desirable things to have and therefore his right to have, even if he cannot apply them.
However, should the wheels of logic grind towards a conclusion he finds unpleasant, frightening or inconvenient, his emotions will take over and he will break his own rules. Whatever grasp on truth or logic he has goes out the window and he is only left with the reality of his emotions and someone else's truth and logic, which he will predictably reject.
Being an egotist, he will always reject anyone else's truth and logic however truthful and logical in favour of his own emotions however irrational, because his emotions are his alone and therefore special and better to anything else in the world.
In short, the nihilist believes only in himself, but he believes in and acts on no system of rules but his emotions, from moment to moment. To deal with the obvious problems this kind of mindset would create for any society, religion was created. With religion, there will be scripture and if everyone is said to subscribe to this religion, then at least the rules will be official and contained in scripture, even if in practice they will be broken. If the rules are law, then those who break them will be punished, to discourage undesirable behaviour.
Most people these days are nihilists, because that was the way they were brought up.
Nihilists are incapable of sustained political activism because they are infirm of purpose. A moral system is necessarily and logically a system of morality subscribed to by a group of people. This is impossible to explain to a nihilist who thinks falsely and illogically that what he thinks is morality is anything more than a list of rules that he only imperfectly follows. He will insist loudly and repeatedly that neither he nor his society needs a religion while in the next breath saying that the country is going to the dogs and he is getting out as soon as he can.
What he means - as an egotist - is that because he does not think he need or wants a religion, therefore no one else should need or want such a thing. The pathological egotist has not even the self-consciousness to know that the rest of the world is not him, and he is not the rest of the world. This means he will conflate what he thinks are his own best interests with what is the national interest when he is in fact not particularly adept at looking after what he will call his Number One, precisely because he so often rejects truth and logic in favour of his own emotions and appetites.
