"What I do think is a reasonable assumption is that anyone in the reform group who proposed that a foreign blooded woman of Muslim background would make a good leader of a reformed BNP would scare away the vast majority of recruits that they tried to attract. Therefore I give it no credence.
That is not to say that this lady in question might not be above using a proxy as vanity drives her in here. But would she be a realistic choice for the BNP, nein. I also understand that this woman is supposed to be an intellectual of some description? I have not encountered her posts, being a relative newbie. No disrespect to the lady above but I don't think that she is that immersed in ideas."
BGD seems not to be aware that this proposed leadership election concerns only BNP Reform ("BNPR") and has no direct and immediate effect on the party. It is merely the proposed election of who is to lead a faction within a party.
Indeed, it is just a means of testing out the leadership contest rules that are still in the process of being drafted. I suggested that it would be a shame for such a person to be merely appointed, when such a superb opportunity exists to demonstrate BNPR's democratic credentials.
It would be an opportunity for those of ambition and talent to throw their hats in the ring as it would certainly look good on their CV if they are elected.
If under the new rules I am entitled to throw my hat in the ring, I certainly would, just for the fun of it, and would encourage others to do so too.
Eddy Butler would still remain indispensable and in control of the whole movement whoever is elected "Political Leader".
If I had my way, all BNP members who sign up for the Reform Movement would be entitled to vote, having been so unfairly deprived of a leadership election. We all know the rank and file just love leadership elections.
Please note that I have not discussed any of this with Eddy, who is doubtless formulating his thoughts and biding his time ...
The only reason why "BGD" has not encountered me on http://www.democracyforum.co.uk is simply because I have been banned. If he cares to read my blogs and visit http://www.1party4all.co.uk he will find that I am very interested in ideas indeed.
I am uncertain as to how to deal with his statement that I am "of Muslim background". If being born in a Muslim country makes me "of Muslim background" even if none of my family are Muslims, so be it. All the knowledge I have acquired of Islam is through independent reading which took place in the UK. Being born in a stable does not make me a horse, does it?
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Yes Claire, perhaps in retrospect L&F was not enquiring about you as a leadership potential and I 'made a leap'. He was asking about your views regarding Islam (I believe he is sympathetic to socially conservative perspectives coming from the pre-war continental end of the political spectrum) and I suggested that someone from your ethnic background with an ideology derived from an Islamic perspective (even if shorn of Allah)would be unacceptable to general members of the BNP in the reform camp and outside.
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But the Koran supports so many important BNP policies, or could be interpreted to do so.
Muslims and I believe ethnic minorities of all races are ghoulishly fascinated by the party that they thinks hate them because most people irrespective of race and religion, if they were being sensible, would support most BNP policies, even the one that bribes them to go "home".
So why is the party throwing away all this potential support by being so hoity-toity about race?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-384167/Most-Britons-actually-support-BNP-policies.html
Perhaps the BNP are their own worst enemy.
Because as you well know Claire the concern of nationalism is for the ethnic people and their historical homeland that together form the nation. By not being 'hoity-toity' what you mean is why does the BNP not jettison its core ethnic policy (and the primary attraction for most members) for the siren song of ethnic minority votes down the line. No thank you.
Of course you just want to benefit your own people, but how would never getting into a position of influence because people hate and fear you going to help white people?
BGD, in my view if you attract enough ethnics who are prepared to go public and say they vote BNP because they have the most policies they agree with, then the cowardly custard whites in UKIPm English Democrats and in the LibLabCon will follow suit.
It would be the quickest way to do it.
I think you know this in your heart of hearts.
Or do you think you still have lots of time to play with?
How much longer are you going to let your country fill up with foreigners before you realise that you have to be nice to just enough of them to make everything go your way?
You must know you cannot do it alone, mustn't you? Even if UKIP and English Democrats merged with the BNP you still won't get anywhere near to triggering a referendum on the EU.
Time to be realistic now, BGD.
Liberal internationalism is only a generation or two away from winning the war of our non-existence. Your policy asks us to leave our weapons at the door for the ignis fatuus of a shared place at the table. Not sensible for a revolutionary movement.
Analogously in the US, the Republicans directed by Karl Rove have spent some years formulating policy and making pronouncements to reach out to US Mexicans both settled and legal and illegal immigrants. That logic goes that as they are from a Catholic background they will share their social values. As Steve Sailer has outlined countless times on his blog the Mexicans still in an overwhelming majority vote for a party that has a history of providing economic favours and residential security but that is actually counter to their social values.
If anything what the nationalist right need to be doing is taking off the uniform and aiding a Tea Partying of the Conservative Party. Helping to play a role in bringing the broad patriotic right into an alliance for migration minimisation and then trying to shift the discussion rightward (or at least nationalist-ward). I am sorry to say that politically the rise of Islam is one of the serviceable tools that will aid that process.
Re your follow up comments: the party now allows minority membership. Any repatriation is wholly voluntary. Therefore it is quite conceivable that the BNP will be able to persuade minority candidates to stand or voice their approval. The likelihood though is that these will from sectors such as the more integrated black population and other non-Muslim peoples. Of course wiser propaganda is needed.
First thing to do is to get out of the EU.
This means MERGING the Eurosceptic vote by getting the Eurosceptic parties to pool resources and concentrating the Eurosceptic vote.
But we can't even do this little thing, can we?
I am glad we agree that wiser propaganda is needed.
It means never mentioning race again. There is no need to. We all know who we are and what we want. If we don't all we have to do is ask each other.
If we disagree then we should just concentrate on the things we do agree on. Bound to be something, surely?
FYI, as a way of warming up the zeitgeist here's what I propose:
http://www.democracyforum.co.uk/smaller-parties/82457-minor-parties-waste-time-2.html#post957267
whilst still trying to achieve ethnic solidarity through more standard means.
I am not sure whether my earlier comment got lost in the ether (the page showed a 404 type error)or if the mod binned it.
Anyway, while we wait for an upsurge in ethnic solidarity here's my thoughts on a parallel alternative: http://www.democracyforum.co.uk/smaller-parties/82457-minor-parties-waste-time-2.html#post957267
Good idea to reduce the number of policies. The more policies you have the more people are likely to disagree with it.
I think perhaps if the Eurosceptic parties could just reduce it to a single issue, ie referendum on the EU, and then merge to pool Eurosceptic votes then that might do the trick.
Everything else you just promise to have a referendum on it.
Everyone can agree that the question should be asked, even if they do not agree on the answer.
What do you think?
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