Robert Edwards who runs http://www.europeanaction.com/ (and is a White Muslim Nationalist probably in the same way that Muhammad Ali was Nation of Islam) says of me at http://www.democracyforum.co.uk/bnp/81894-new-leader-british-nationalism-10.html
I wonder what he means by "American Islam".
I hope Robert Edwards is aware of the existence of Koran-only Muslims or Koranists - these are people who wish to excise the unIslamic cultural accretions of the practices of people who also happen to call themselves Muslim.
I would say what I propose to do is analogous to cleaning a painting with centuries of accumulated grime to make it fit to be exhibition to the general public.
I suggest that he reads Defenders of Reason In Islam: Mu'tazilism and Rational Theology from Medieval School to Modern Symbol
http://www.amazon.com/Defenders-Reason-Islam-Mutazilism-Rational/dp/1851681477
It is quite dull and does not quite dare to go as far as I do in the point it makes, which is to reject everything in the Hadith that contradicts the Koran and allow it to be interpreted afresh in every age and in every nation thinking of following its guidance.
Belief in God is not necessary, one only has to agree that the Koran is a good enough guide for mankind, whether or not one believes in the actual existence of a Living God.
To come to the conclusion that the Koran is indeed a good enough guide for mankind (or even disagree with this conclusion) one must of course begin by reading the Koran - something many cannot make themselves do, either because their literacy skills are too low or they are so blinded by hatred and fear that they refuse to contemplate doing any such thing.
The Secular Koranist would of course ignore all the verses in the Koran that threaten hell and promise heaven (because the Secularist would not believe in the existence of God, heaven or hell beyond mere concepts), while considering the morality and practicability of only the command verses, ie those that exhort us to do something or refrain from doing something.
If anything is still unclear all people have to do is ask!
"With all due respects to your friend, but Islam can not be 'secularised' which means divested of its essential uniqueness as a religion. Such attempts are called 'the American Islam' and it is universally condemned. The next thing, they would want to turn Mecca into a Disneyland and serve hot dawgs there.
She is wrong and is, in fact, an enemy of Islam. Islam can not be taken over by atheists. Atheists are enemies of Islam.
The reason why Islam can not, indeed, will not be secularised or 'reformed' is that it is based irrevocably and unalteringly on the inspired words in the Holy Qur'an and the sayings of the prophet Mohammed (pbuh) in the hadith.
You can not change that. You can discuss it, interpret it, but you can not change that. The woman is misguided."
I wonder what he means by "American Islam".
I hope Robert Edwards is aware of the existence of Koran-only Muslims or Koranists - these are people who wish to excise the unIslamic cultural accretions of the practices of people who also happen to call themselves Muslim.
I would say what I propose to do is analogous to cleaning a painting with centuries of accumulated grime to make it fit to be exhibition to the general public.
I suggest that he reads Defenders of Reason In Islam: Mu'tazilism and Rational Theology from Medieval School to Modern Symbol
http://www.amazon.com/Defenders-Reason-Islam-Mutazilism-Rational/dp/1851681477
It is quite dull and does not quite dare to go as far as I do in the point it makes, which is to reject everything in the Hadith that contradicts the Koran and allow it to be interpreted afresh in every age and in every nation thinking of following its guidance.
Belief in God is not necessary, one only has to agree that the Koran is a good enough guide for mankind, whether or not one believes in the actual existence of a Living God.
To come to the conclusion that the Koran is indeed a good enough guide for mankind (or even disagree with this conclusion) one must of course begin by reading the Koran - something many cannot make themselves do, either because their literacy skills are too low or they are so blinded by hatred and fear that they refuse to contemplate doing any such thing.
The Secular Koranist would of course ignore all the verses in the Koran that threaten hell and promise heaven (because the Secularist would not believe in the existence of God, heaven or hell beyond mere concepts), while considering the morality and practicability of only the command verses, ie those that exhort us to do something or refrain from doing something.
If anything is still unclear all people have to do is ask!
4 comments:
Thank you for that introduction.
The Holy Qur'an is exactly that. It is holy and its inspiration comes from Allah. It is the sacred book of the Muslims comprising a collection of Muhammed's oral revelations.
You can not secularise religion although some Christian churches do have a go at it by compromising with secular liberalism.
If you strip away the essential holy essence of the Holy Qur'an then you are an enemy of Islam.
You know what you are doing and you are fully aware of the consequences. You will offend many Muslims.
The strength of Islam is that it has not compromised with Western secularism and it never should.
Robert, I am trying to popularise the Koran and making more people read it! How is that being "an enemy of Islam"???
I hope you will join the Koran Book Club so that I may better demonstrate to you what I am trying to achieve.
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=310958681842&ref=ts
Methinks you are being too much a purist!
There is no need to take *their* Islam lock stock and barrel. I believe it is perfectly possible to have an Anglican Islam that will not feel alien and culturally ill at ease with British traditions of worship.
Would you turn Mecca into a Disneyland? What you are trying to do (and will fail) is hi-jack a religion and turn it into a non-religion.
You already state that you fear and hate true Islam. That alone makes you the enemjy of ALL Muslims throughout the world.
Allahu Akbah!
No, I would not turn Mecca into Disneyland. Indeed, I propose changing the place of pilgrimage every four years to encourage the travel that broadens the mind. This idea is further elaborated at:
http://thevoiceofreason-ann.blogspot.com/2010/07/muslims-once-prayed-in-direction-of.html
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