THE CRIMINAL STANDARD OF PROOF
"Mark" looks gay and is the most compelling interviewee. He was the one abused in the Grafton Close care home by the owner of it and his friend the Catholic priest. He has never been to Elm Guest House. It was in his own care home where the abuse took place.
He was a pretty boy, small for his age. He and another boy were the owner's favourites.
Man who worked at Elm Guest House briefly in the 1980s didn't recall any high profile visitors. He said he would have recognised him.
Chris Fay - the old man who insisted he had seen the compromising photographs of Leon Brittan in an apron was previously convicted for fraud connected with shares.
Peter Saunders appears to trust the CPS which is run by an unashamed feminazi implicitly.
But then Peter Saunders is from the National Association of People Abused in Childhood.
Lord MacDonald former DPP 2003 - 2008 speaks out against these police investigations and doubts their impartiality.
No reports of murders or runnings over of schoolboys in Kingston at the time.
http://barristerblogger.com/2014/11/16/exaro-news-playing-dangerous-game-paedophile-murder-story/
" ... and a first name and .... "
"David':
Then a WOMAN called Jane accused Leon Brittan about an alleged incident in 1967. She claimed she had been raped in his basement flat; Leon Brittain lived in a top floor flat. Tom Watson took on her case even though she wasn't one of his constituents. All who could have corroborated her evidence contradicted it.
Watson says the evidence he gave to the police has resulted in three successful prosecutions. Appeal, appeal!
Ian McFadyen who was sexually abused and went to the same prep school as Francis Wheen, Deputy of Private Eye says:
"Do I think some people have used us a step politically upwards? Yes, I do."
Ends with Peter Spindler saying they all can't be making it up.
Lord MacDonald criticises Tom Watson's risky behaviour.
I know most people want to think they did it, and would happily punish them even if they actually knew they didn't do it. That is how much politicians are hated and held in contempt. This is something they should reflect on as they go about their business.
Panorama, The VIP Paedophile Ring: What's the Truth?: http://t.co/mExfWmami8 via @bbciplayer
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) October 7, 2015
Just heard @lorddeben on #r4today. y don't lawyers talk abt the criminal standard of proof that uncorroborated testimony can never satisfy?
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) October 7, 2015
@Kenniedm The point is that uncorroborated testimony can never satisfy the criminal standard of proof. Too bad @cpsuk don't get this.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) October 7, 2015
@Kenniedm Do you think Alison Saunders the DPP gets the criminal standard of proof? I don't think so.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) October 7, 2015
@Kenniedm There is not a single criminal lawyer in the land who dares point out the criminal standard of proof to Alison Saunders, is there?
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) October 7, 2015
@Kenniedm Do you think Alison Saunders get the criminal standard of proof? @danbunting @MAFTC @LukeSGittos1986 @Barristerblog
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) October 7, 2015
@Kenniedm Because a feminazi is DPP, no criminal lawyer dares point out to her how the criminal standard of proof operates. @JonHolb
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) October 7, 2015
@Kenniedm Even @BarbaraHewson daren't point out to Alison Saunders that uncorroborated testimony wl never satisfy criminal standard of proof
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) October 7, 2015
@iainmartin1 The Crucible is showing at the Questors Theatre in Ealing, London between 7 and 14 November 2015. http://t.co/cl6yaEOl8q
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) October 7, 2015
@Kenniedm Why have you nothing to say about whether the @cpsuk understands the burden of proof, with your three law degrees?
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) October 7, 2015
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) October 7, 2015
@jonw101961 @Elsie2127 @iainmartin1 Even if it is similar fact an accusation MUST satisfy the requirement of being able to stand up in court
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) October 7, 2015
THAT PANORAMA PROGRAMME
Panorama, The VIP Paedophile Ring: What's the Truth?: http://t.co/mExfWmami8 via @bbciplayer
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) October 7, 2015
@Elsie2127 @XenoPoesis @A11_Seeing_Eye @DAaronovitch Some criminal lawyers absolutely love it, because it is work for them.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) October 7, 2015
@Elsie2127 @XenoPoesis @A11_Seeing_Eye @DAaronovitch Some members of the judiciary like Lowell Goddard have hit the jackpot.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) October 7, 2015
@Elsie2127 @XenoPoesis @A11_Seeing_Eye @DAaronovitch The media is no longer fit for purpose. If they were they would be interviewing me.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) October 7, 2015
Wild accusations of historic sexual offences bear " ... all the hallmarks of fantasy" #bbcpanorama #CSAinquiry
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) October 7, 2015
@jamie_jk Any uncorroborated testimony that cannot stand up in court should be thrown out and *not* be added to another. #bbcpanorama
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) October 7, 2015
"Mark" looks gay and is the most compelling interviewee. He was the one abused in the Grafton Close care home by the owner of it and his friend the Catholic priest. He has never been to Elm Guest House. It was in his own care home where the abuse took place.
He was a pretty boy, small for his age. He and another boy were the owner's favourites.
Man who worked at Elm Guest House briefly in the 1980s didn't recall any high profile visitors. He said he would have recognised him.
Chris Fay - the old man who insisted he had seen the compromising photographs of Leon Brittan in an apron was previously convicted for fraud connected with shares.
Peter Saunders appears to trust the CPS which is run by an unashamed feminazi implicitly.
But then Peter Saunders is from the National Association of People Abused in Childhood.
Lord MacDonald former DPP 2003 - 2008 speaks out against these police investigations and doubts their impartiality.
No reports of murders or runnings over of schoolboys in Kingston at the time.
http://barristerblogger.com/2014/11/16/exaro-news-playing-dangerous-game-paedophile-murder-story/
"... some journalists treating unsubstantiated allegations as fact ... " #bbcpanorama #CSAinquiry
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) October 7, 2015
" ... a police service some say are now too ready to believe anything ... " #bbcpanorama #CSAinquiry #burdenofproof
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) October 7, 2015
In which court was Jimmy Savile convicted? In the Kangaroo Court of the Media after a Trial by Public Opinion #bbcpanorama #burdenofproof
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) October 7, 2015
DCS Sue Hill: "Police are frightened: you are damned if you do and damned if you don't [investigate]." #bbcpanorama #burdenofproof
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) October 7, 2015
DCS Sue Hill: "[The police] have gone too far: the pendulum has swung too far." #bbcpanorama #burdenofproof #CSAinquiry
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) October 7, 2015
DCS Sue Hill: "A strong investigator needs to make sure that the evidence ... is credible and can be investigated thoroughly." #bbcpanorama
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) October 7, 2015
"Darren" convicted in 1990s of making bomb hoaxes and has falsely confessed to murder and rape. #bbcpanorama #burdenofproof
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) October 7, 2015
"2 years ago Darren sent email 2 social worker saying 'Leon Brittan never abused me or anyone I know', so y name the poor man?" #bbcpanorama
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) October 7, 2015
#bbcpanorama think @ExaroNews knew about Darren's background of attention-seeking and compulsive lying. #CSAinquiry #burdenofproof
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) October 7, 2015
#bbcpanorama asked @ExaroNews if they knew about Darren's email to social worker saying Leon Brittan didn't abuse him but they didnt respond
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) October 7, 2015
Darren's evidence remains on @ExaroNews's website despite being told that he is a compulsive attention-seeker. #bbcpanorama #CSAinquiry
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) October 7, 2015
"David" says Chris Fay got him to name names over a period of weeks, starting as a joke, then the suggestions became reality. #bbcpanorama
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) October 7, 2015
"David" described a distinctive birthmark on one of his abusers. #bbcpanorama #CSAinquiry
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) October 7, 2015
David: "I described a birthmark and a first and described the person and they said the surname and everything can only be him." #bbcpanorama
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) October 7, 2015
" ... and a first name and .... "
"I believed it cos I believed it. I don't know. I just believed it. I cdn't say why I believed it. I believed it at the time." #bbcpanorama
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) October 7, 2015
#bbcpanorama: "It was 25 years since 'David' had had those conversations [about being sexually abused by VIPs with Chris Fay]." #CSAinquiry
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) October 7, 2015
#bbcpanorama: "Two years ago, according to 'David', Chris Fay got back in touch. VIP abuse was back in the news again."
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) October 7, 2015
'David': "[Chris Fay] was phoning me up virtually every single day talking to me like he was my best friend." #bbcpanorama #CSAinquiry
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) October 7, 2015
'David': "Do everything through me [Chris Fay]. Do everything through me because you can trust me from 1990." #bbcpanorama #CSAinquiry
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) October 7, 2015
#bbcpanorama: " 'David' called the police saying he was worried Chris Fay was putting words into his mouth. The police bugged David's home."
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) October 7, 2015
#bbcpanorama: Police would not comment on the outcome of their investigation on Chris Fay for attempting to pervert the course of justice.
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) October 7, 2015
Police bugged David's home and filmed his house for two months. #bbcpanorama
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) October 7, 2015
#bbcpanorama: "' David' admits he finds it a struggle to recall details n I certainly found it difficult to get a clear n picture from him."
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) October 7, 2015
#bbcpanorama: "In the past 'David' has been willing to tell people what they want to hear n it is possible he may be doing that to us too."
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) October 7, 2015
"David':
"I could never be 100% sure it were Dolphin Square, not really, no. I can only be ... I can only be sure about ... I can only think I'm sure ... in my mind if people say 'Yes, you're right, it is, it is Dolphin Square, so really it came from other people, not from me, because I never said properly back in 1990, being honest, I never said Dolphin Square."What about the man 'David' identified as one of his abusers Leon Brittan?
"The surname came out of Chris Fay's mouth, and I just went along with it. I identified him with a photograph, but there again, he were a well-known MP and I might have seen him on TV through the years and stuff and I might have just gotten confused."The police interviewed David for 50 hours but didn't pursue the case. They didn't consider Darren's evidence to be significant either.
Then a WOMAN called Jane accused Leon Brittan about an alleged incident in 1967. She claimed she had been raped in his basement flat; Leon Brittain lived in a top floor flat. Tom Watson took on her case even though she wasn't one of his constituents. All who could have corroborated her evidence contradicted it.
Watson says the evidence he gave to the police has resulted in three successful prosecutions. Appeal, appeal!
Ian McFadyen who was sexually abused and went to the same prep school as Francis Wheen, Deputy of Private Eye says:
"Do I think some people have used us a step politically upwards? Yes, I do."
Ends with Peter Spindler saying they all can't be making it up.
Lord MacDonald criticises Tom Watson's risky behaviour.
#bbcpanorama: "We believe it's David @ExaroNews used 2 corroborate their 1st report of abuse @ Dolphin Square - the 1 based on Nick's story"
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) October 7, 2015
#bbcpanorama: "Are the police, politicians and the press in danger of using victims in the rush to make amends?" #CSAinquiry
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) October 7, 2015
Ian McFadyen: "We are not a commodity. Survivors are not a commodity for people's careers. We are not a PR stunt." #bbcpanorama
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) October 7, 2015
#bbcpanorama: "How we get 2 the truth has become nearly as important as the truth itself." #CSAinquiry #ruleoflaw #dueprocess #burdenofproof
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) October 7, 2015
Simon Danczuk: "high threshold of evidence"/CRIMINAL STANDARD OF PROOF/whether it will stand up in court #bbcpanorama #CSAinquiry #wato
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) October 7, 2015
How safe do u as a man feel from malicious accusations of a historic sexual offence with a female DPP? (a) safer (b) the same (c) less safe
— Claire Khaw (@ntfem) October 7, 2015
I know most people want to think they did it, and would happily punish them even if they actually knew they didn't do it. That is how much politicians are hated and held in contempt. This is something they should reflect on as they go about their business.
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