Proposed survey for MPs who supported the invasion of "Afraq"

The stabbing of Caesar on the Ides of March

In  the light of Stephen Timms' stabbing by an anti-war Muslim constituent, may I suggest that the BBC conduct a survey amongst the MPs who voted for the war?

They must be gravely concerned about their personal safety.  Indeed, some of them may even have  nightmares of being stabbed, Ides of March style, by their Muslim constituents, especially the ones who have constituencies in Muslim majority areas.

Below are 10 questions that could be put to them:

1. Now that you have the benefit of hindsight, would you still vote for the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan if you could turn back time?

2. Was any pressure applied on you in any way at all to vote for the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan?

3. Was this pressure applied by the party whip?

4. Do you think the existence of the party whip has the effect of alienating a politician even further from his conscience and integrity?

5. Are you aware of Peter Bone's House of Commons Disqualification Bill due for a Second Reading on 10 December 2010?

 http://services.parliament.uk/bills/2010-11/houseofcommonsdisqualificationamendment.html

6. Has any pressure (explicit or implicit) been applied on you to not support this bill?

7. Did this pressure (explicit or implicit) come from your party whip or your leader?

8. Will you be giving in to this pressure or resisting it?

9. If you intend to give in to this pressure, ie not support the House of Commons Disqualification Bill, what are your reasons for doing so?

10. Would you like to express remorse for voting for the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan in the hope of reducing the likelihood of being stabbed "Ides of March" style by your Muslim constituents?

The very real physical dangers of being lobby fodder

Stephen Timms, stabbed Labour pro-war MP for East Ham

""I am an MP and I am lobby fodder. Lobby fodder are stabbed in the back by their whips and leaders or by their constituents in the front. Lowlife scum with no principles and no conscience with shit for brains deserve nothing better."

Even when you think you are playing safe by doing exactly what you are told by your leader and your whip, you are not safe.  

If we are to die or just get stabbed for anyone, let it not be for a warmongering leader whom we unquestioningly obey.

There were 395 MPs who voted for the war.  There must be one near you now even as you read this, conducting a surgery and fearing for his or her life.

I imagine that a public statement of remorse and also a declaration of support for Peter Bone's House of Commons Disquaification Bill whose Second Reading will be on 10 December 2010 would assist in getting them off the rather long list of those who would wish to stab them in their surgeries. 

http://services.parliament.uk/bills/2010-11/houseofcommonsdisqualificationamendment.html

Will Stephen Timms be supporting it?  

Why should politicians who vote to invade another country be surprised at a violent reaction?

http://www.naba.org.uk/CONTENT/TheAssociation/Parliament/MPs_Vote_War_on_Iraq.pdf
lists all the MPs who voted to invade Iraq.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/latest/2010/11/02/murder-bid-woman-had-list-of-mps-115875-22685471/

http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/209683/Muslim-hate-website-must-remove-list-of-pro-war-MPs-/

http://www.revolutionmuslim.com/
is where the list of MPs who voted to invade Iraq was said to be found, along with instructions on how to meet your MP at surgery and where to buy knives, presumably to facilitate the stabbing thereof.  But I couldn't find it. 

At least Ms Choudhry exhibited thought processes that followed a certain logic: you hate the war, so you punish the people who started the violence in the only way they can understand: with violence in return.

MPs who have so far not been stabbed and do not wish to be stabbed by their Muslim constituents for the disastrous, disgraceful,  unwinnable and unpopular war that they voted for could always publicly recant, express their deep remorse, and perhaps explain the circumstances under which they came to make their regrettable decision.

Perhaps they had their arms twisted by their party whips?

You should write to and demand that your MP support Peter Bone's House of Commons Disqualification Act.  If they do not you will know what to think of them and withhold your vote accordingly at the next election.  


http://services.parliament.uk/bills/2010-11/houseofcommonsdisqualificationamendment.html
contains details of the Bill. 

http://thevoiceofreason-ann.blogspot.com/2010/10/peter-bone-mps-proposal-to-abolish.html

I am thinking of commissioning a poll with YouGov on the following lines:

1. Do you think the quality of democracy in this country could be improved? 
2. Do you think the reason why politicians are so cowardly and hypocritical is because they are frightened of being demoted by their leader? 
3. Do you think the reason why they are so unpopular is because they are perceived as cowardly and hypocritical? 
4. Would you be prepared to assist them in becoming less cowardly and hypocritical by sending a letter to your MP demanding that he help himself and his constituents by supporting Peter Bone's Bill?  (This Bill proposes to abolish the position of the party whip.)
5.  Do you know what a whip does to an MP when he is required to make him vote against his principles and conscience and vote as his or her leader demands?  
6. Do you know that the tactics involved in making this recalcitrant MP vote as the leader would wish amounts to blackmail and threats? 
7. Do you think an MP who is vulnerable to threats and blackmail is in a position to serve your interests and the nation's? 
8. Do you think an MP free from threats and blackmail would be in a better position to serve your interests and the nation's? 
9. Did you approve of the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan? 
10. Were you aware that the whips were used to blackmail or threaten to make MPs vote as the leader of their party wished and against their better judgment? 
11. Do you think your MP should support Peter Bone's House of Commons Disqualification Bill?

Peter Bone MP's proposal to abolish the party whip a matter of grave national importance and should be properly debated

http://conservativehome.blogs.com/parliament/2010/10/peter-bone-seeks-to-abolish-the-flatterers-cajolers-and-sometime-bullies-that-are-the-party-whips.html

If we had a one-party state then the party whip should and would certainly be abolished.

The reason why there is no democracy in this country is because there is no party democracy in any of the parties.  Party members demoted or expelled have very little redress.  Indeed, a member of the Chinese  Communist Party has more rights than anyone belonging to any UK political party. 

I didn't know blackmail, threats and arm-twisting is called "pastoral care" in the Conservative Party, but I do now.  

But at least I know that:

1.  Big Society is really Big Government

2.  Compassionate Conservatism is really Socialism

3.  Cameron is a cunt of convictionless Conservatism if not actually a Commie Pinko

4.  the British public are too stupid to notice or too apathetic to do anything about it.

Private Members Bill Procedure
http://www.parliament.uk/documents/commons-information-office/l02.pdf

Progress of the Bill
http://services.parliament.uk/bills/2010-11/houseofcommonsdisqualificationamendment.html

2nd reading: House of Commons | 10.12.2010

http://www.theyworkforyou.com/debates/?id=2010-10-19a.829.0