Asghar Bukhari of MPAC defriends me for saying Muslims MUST and SHOULD continue to protest offensively against the war

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asghar_Bukhari

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Public_Affairs_Committee_UK

Asghar Bukhari has defriended me on Facebook because I said that anti-war protests must necessarily be offensive to work and that Muslims Against Crusaders  were doing a good job really.  No pain, no gain and all that.  

I suggested that MAC would do better for themselves if they pretended they cared about white working class British soldiers being sent to Afghanistan to die for Israel, Bush, Blair, Brown and Cameron and all the warmongering MPs who voted to invade Iraq and Afghanistan.  Instead of the MAC calling British soldiers murderers, rapists etc who deserve to roast in hell, they should instead express their deep concern that these soldiers are dying for a lost and dishonorable cause which is in any case against the British National Interest and invite the BNP to join them in protesting against the war. 

It could be pointed out to the Wootton Bassetters by MAC in slightly more emollient tones that dying in a dishonorable and disgraceful unwinnable war is far far worse than converting to Islam in prison after having been court martialled for mutinying.. 



Asghar response was:

"Claire what are you on about? If you think that faking it is the best wat forward you have serious problems."

and then he defriended me without waiting for an answer. 

I just wonder what's so wrong about that though.

Understandably Muslims are nervous about being hated even more than they are already, but if the war carries on and the MAC carry on the way they have been doing, the hatred against Muslims would rage more ferociously anyway. 

It does seem that Roshanara Choudhry (is she any relation of Anjem's, I wonder?) has probably done us all a favour by stabbing Stephen Timms.  If more of them are stabbed, this would make it more likely for for MPs who voted for the war at


http://www.naba.org.uk/CONTENT/TheAssociation/Parliament/MPs_Vote_War_on_Iraq.pdf

to express remorse, regret and recant, like Clare Short.

Once enough of them do - whether out of genuine remorse or because they fear for their lives - our boys will be home sooner with less loss of life.  Once the war ends, there will be no more Wootton Bassett coffin drive-bys for the MAC to attend in order to provoke the local populace, and Muslims will not be quite so hated. 

Will someone please tell me exactly what is wrong with this piece reasoning?

Sometimes you have to keep pushing at something until it gives.  Half measures are just a waste of time.

Whether the stabbing of Stephen Timms was a Good Thing

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/8110447/Website-used-by-woman-who-stabbed-MP-encourages-further-attacks.html

I wonder if Stephen Timms would vote to invade Iraq again if he could turn back time. Not very clever of him as his constituents are mostly Muslims. Not the brightest bulb in the box then, but then that is the typical profile of lobby fodder in the LibLabCon. Why are the stupid who don't even know how to look after themselves in charge of the ship of state? Why does the government always insist on stupidity and spinelessness as qualifications to be an MP?

Let me clarify my position very very carefully.

1. I am delighted that lobby fodder Stephen Timms got his come-uppance.

2. If he had died it would have made a better story because it would have put the fear of God into these lobby fodder MPs.

3. Their fear of further attacks on their numbers would bounce them into recanting and expressing remorse and regret to avoid a similar fate.

4. Loss of support for the war amongst more than half of the House would have a significant impact on the conduct of the war.

5. It would mean the withdrawal of British troops *sooner* rather than later, and the reduction in the numbers of lives lost on both sides.  (This would of course be a Good Thing for both Muslims and non-Muslims, Britain and Afghanistan.)

6. Do my views make me complicit in the stabbing of Stephen Timms? No.

7. Was the stabbing of Stephen Timms a Good thing? Yes, because it demonstrates that violent acts (such as voting for a dishonorable and unwinnable war just because your leader said so) begets violence.  There is a philosophical argument that the morality of an act (eg stabbing a politician) can only be judged by the intended consequences of that act (eg the prevention of further lives being lost unnecessarily on both sides in the prosecution of a dishonorable and unwinnable war, sooner rather than later). 

8. Would his death have been a better thing? Of course, because it would result in the war ending sooner rather than later because of the haemorrhaging of support for the war amongst our politicians, if not an actual stampede to denounce it, especially if there were further attacks on other MPs.

9.  Would I be pleased if another MP were attacked?  No, because there is no need for anyone else to be hurt if they are already earnestly discussing the best way of dealing with the situation.   But are they though? 



I hope this is all reasonably clear.  

Proposed survey for MPs who supported the invasion of "Afraq"

The stabbing of Caesar on the Ides of March

In  the light of Stephen Timms' stabbing by an anti-war Muslim constituent, may I suggest that the BBC conduct a survey amongst the MPs who voted for the war?

They must be gravely concerned about their personal safety.  Indeed, some of them may even have  nightmares of being stabbed, Ides of March style, by their Muslim constituents, especially the ones who have constituencies in Muslim majority areas.

Below are 10 questions that could be put to them:

1. Now that you have the benefit of hindsight, would you still vote for the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan if you could turn back time?

2. Was any pressure applied on you in any way at all to vote for the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan?

3. Was this pressure applied by the party whip?

4. Do you think the existence of the party whip has the effect of alienating a politician even further from his conscience and integrity?

5. Are you aware of Peter Bone's House of Commons Disqualification Bill due for a Second Reading on 10 December 2010?

 http://services.parliament.uk/bills/2010-11/houseofcommonsdisqualificationamendment.html

6. Has any pressure (explicit or implicit) been applied on you to not support this bill?

7. Did this pressure (explicit or implicit) come from your party whip or your leader?

8. Will you be giving in to this pressure or resisting it?

9. If you intend to give in to this pressure, ie not support the House of Commons Disqualification Bill, what are your reasons for doing so?

10. Would you like to express remorse for voting for the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan in the hope of reducing the likelihood of being stabbed "Ides of March" style by your Muslim constituents?

The very real physical dangers of being lobby fodder

Stephen Timms, stabbed Labour pro-war MP for East Ham

""I am an MP and I am lobby fodder. Lobby fodder are stabbed in the back by their whips and leaders or by their constituents in the front. Lowlife scum with no principles and no conscience with shit for brains deserve nothing better."

Even when you think you are playing safe by doing exactly what you are told by your leader and your whip, you are not safe.  

If we are to die or just get stabbed for anyone, let it not be for a warmongering leader whom we unquestioningly obey.

There were 395 MPs who voted for the war.  There must be one near you now even as you read this, conducting a surgery and fearing for his or her life.

I imagine that a public statement of remorse and also a declaration of support for Peter Bone's House of Commons Disquaification Bill whose Second Reading will be on 10 December 2010 would assist in getting them off the rather long list of those who would wish to stab them in their surgeries. 

http://services.parliament.uk/bills/2010-11/houseofcommonsdisqualificationamendment.html

Will Stephen Timms be supporting it?  

Why should politicians who vote to invade another country be surprised at a violent reaction?

http://www.naba.org.uk/CONTENT/TheAssociation/Parliament/MPs_Vote_War_on_Iraq.pdf
lists all the MPs who voted to invade Iraq.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/latest/2010/11/02/murder-bid-woman-had-list-of-mps-115875-22685471/

http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/209683/Muslim-hate-website-must-remove-list-of-pro-war-MPs-/

http://www.revolutionmuslim.com/
is where the list of MPs who voted to invade Iraq was said to be found, along with instructions on how to meet your MP at surgery and where to buy knives, presumably to facilitate the stabbing thereof.  But I couldn't find it. 

At least Ms Choudhry exhibited thought processes that followed a certain logic: you hate the war, so you punish the people who started the violence in the only way they can understand: with violence in return.

MPs who have so far not been stabbed and do not wish to be stabbed by their Muslim constituents for the disastrous, disgraceful,  unwinnable and unpopular war that they voted for could always publicly recant, express their deep remorse, and perhaps explain the circumstances under which they came to make their regrettable decision.

Perhaps they had their arms twisted by their party whips?

You should write to and demand that your MP support Peter Bone's House of Commons Disqualification Act.  If they do not you will know what to think of them and withhold your vote accordingly at the next election.  


http://services.parliament.uk/bills/2010-11/houseofcommonsdisqualificationamendment.html
contains details of the Bill. 

http://thevoiceofreason-ann.blogspot.com/2010/10/peter-bone-mps-proposal-to-abolish.html

I am thinking of commissioning a poll with YouGov on the following lines:

1. Do you think the quality of democracy in this country could be improved? 
2. Do you think the reason why politicians are so cowardly and hypocritical is because they are frightened of being demoted by their leader? 
3. Do you think the reason why they are so unpopular is because they are perceived as cowardly and hypocritical? 
4. Would you be prepared to assist them in becoming less cowardly and hypocritical by sending a letter to your MP demanding that he help himself and his constituents by supporting Peter Bone's Bill?  (This Bill proposes to abolish the position of the party whip.)
5.  Do you know what a whip does to an MP when he is required to make him vote against his principles and conscience and vote as his or her leader demands?  
6. Do you know that the tactics involved in making this recalcitrant MP vote as the leader would wish amounts to blackmail and threats? 
7. Do you think an MP who is vulnerable to threats and blackmail is in a position to serve your interests and the nation's? 
8. Do you think an MP free from threats and blackmail would be in a better position to serve your interests and the nation's? 
9. Did you approve of the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan? 
10. Were you aware that the whips were used to blackmail or threaten to make MPs vote as the leader of their party wished and against their better judgment? 
11. Do you think your MP should support Peter Bone's House of Commons Disqualification Bill?