Can anyone define what extremism is, without looking it up?
Can a government be extremist without knowing it?
Why is the government always assuming it can never be the one guilty of extremism? Surely that is in theory possible?
"So as we talk about the threat of extremism and the challenge of integration, we should not do our country down – we are, without a shadow of doubt, a beacon to the world."
Is Cameron suggesting that "doing our country down" is a sign of extremism? And that Western government is perfect?
"the focus of my remarks today is on tackling Islamist extremism – not Islam the religion"
The only difference is Muslims who decide to stay in the West and keep their heads down, and those who choose to go to Syria and fight under the Caliphate or commit acts of terrorism in the West.
The Koran does state that Muslims have a duty to fight oppression and there is no doubt that Muslims will perceive that Muslims are being oppressed if Muslim countries are invaded and regime-change imposed on them by the West.
"like any extreme doctrine, it is subversive."
Any ideology that is diametrically opposed to yours would be logically "subversive".
Feminism is subversive to the patriarchy and marriage.
Muslims respect the institutions of marriage and the family, and have noticed that PC Liberalism is subversive to these institutions.
"At its furthest end it seeks to destroy nation-states to invent its own barbaric realm. And it often backs violence to achieve this aim – mostly violence against fellow Muslims – who don’t subscribe to its sick worldview."
Muslim terrorists who object to Western foreign policy have worked out that Western foreign policy is the direct consequence of Western democracy and have therefore deduced that the only way to challenge Western foreign policy is to put the frighteners on the people who keep voting for the same shit parties who perpetuate the shit foreign policy they object to.
Was there a single BNP voter who was a victim of the 7/7 bombing? Statistically that would be unlikely. (The BNP were the only party in the land who offered an alternative non-Zionist foreign policy. Michael Adebalajo actually considered voting for them, and was said to have approached a BNP organiser running a paper sale in Woolwich and discussed UK foreign policy with him.) http://thevoiceofreason-ann.blogspot.co.uk/2014/02/how-end-problem-of-terrorism-without.html
As for Muslims killing Muslims, we already know Nazis kill other Nazis (Night of the Long Knives) and Commies also kill other Commies (Trotsky was assassinated by Stalin's secret police). Atrocities are often committed in war and revolution. The English had the English Civil War and the Americans their American Civil War.
Islamic State are doubtless purging their own ranks of whom they perceive as being subversives and traitors, as you would expect, really.
"basic liberal values such as democracy, freedom and sexual equality."
Democracy only lasted 180 years in Athens.
Freedom? Freedom to do WHAT? What is this sexual equality? Does he mean gay marriage?
"Ideas which actively promote discrimination, sectarianism and segregation."
Like ladies withdrawing after dinner? That would be sex segregation, I suppose, and having male and female toilets.
What sectarianism is he referring to?
"Ideas – like those of the despicable far right – which privilege one identity to the detriment of the rights and freedoms of others."
PC Liberals and their protected groups are privileged by law over social conservatives, are they not?
Christians have no freedom of contract to refuse to bake sodomite cakes for LGBTs and no right to refuse to have them as guests in their B&Bs.
"And ideas also based on conspiracy: that Jews exercise malevolent power; or that Western powers, in concert with Israel, are deliberately humiliating Muslims, because they aim to destroy Islam. "
Cameron has never heard of the Israel Lobby or AIPAC, clearly.
The lobby has planned a multi-million dollar campaign against the president’s chief foreign policy achievement and seeks to peel off support from his own party.
Over 80% of the Parliamentary Conservative Party are 'Conservative Friends of Israel', it has been said.
"In this warped worldview, such conclusions are reached – that 9/11 was actually inspired by Mossad to provoke the invasion of Afghanistan; that British security services knew about 7/7, but didn’t do anything about it because they wanted to provoke an anti-Muslim backlash."
These views cannot be disproven, can they?
They cannot be disproven the way God's existence cannot be proven or disproven.
"And like so many ideologies that have existed before – whether fascist or communist – many people, especially young people, are being drawn to it. We need to understand why it is proving so attractive."
If you are Muslim and you care about other Muslims, you would be inclined to think that the NATO invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan did not improve life for Muslims in these countries.
You may have noticed that the UK government has not given any convincing reasons to justify these invasions and may even have noticed that the Chilcot Enquiry's findings have had their publication delayed to protect the MPs who called for and voted for these invasions.
'So when people say “it’s because of the involvement in the Iraq War that people are attacking the West”, we should remind them: 9/11 – the biggest loss of life of British citizens in a terrorist attack – happened before the Iraq War.'
So there were 67 British victims in 9/11.
The reasons for 9/11 have been given at http://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/nov/24/theobserver
They are still the operating reasons.
"When they say that these are wronged Muslims getting revenge on their Western wrongdoers, let’s remind them: from Kosovo to Somalia, countries like Britain have stepped in to save Muslim people from massacres – it’s groups like ISIL, Al Qaeda and Boko Haram that are the ones murdering Muslims."
"Far from being Tony Blair's "good war", Nato's assault on Yugoslavia was in its own way as immoral as the assault on Iraq. But as the Iraq war has become discredited, so it is even more important for the supporters of "liberal interventionism" to promote the line that Kosovo was in some way a success. The Council of Europe's report on the KLA's crimes makes that position much harder to maintain. And if it plays its part in making people more sceptical about any future western "liberal interventions", it is to be warmly welcomed."
Western interventionism does not exactly create for Westerners a fund of goodwill, does it?
"the adherents of this ideology are overpowering other voices within Muslim debate, especially those trying to challenge it. There are so many strong, positive Muslim voices that are being drowned out."
Those inclined to go on jihad are unlikely to be persuaded by the elderly and the middle-aged telling them not to go.
The already know elderly risk-averse male relations reliant on the NHS would not wish to go on jihad, and their comfortable and complacent parents would not wish to go on jihad either.
As for the clerics who insist that all terrorism is by definition wrong, that is not what the Koran really says, does it?
YUSUFALI: Say to the Unbelievers, if (now) they desist (from Unbelief), their past would be forgiven them; but if they persist, the punishment of those before them is already (a matter of warning for them).
PICKTHAL: Tell those who disbelieve that if they cease (from persecution of believers) that which is past will be forgiven them; but if they return (thereto) then the example of the men of old hath already gone (before them, for a warning).
SHAKIR: Say to those who disbelieve, if they desist, that which is past shall be forgiven to them; and if they return, then what happened to the ancients has already passed.
YUSUFALI: And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah altogether and everywhere; but if they cease, verily Allah doth see all that they do.
PICKTHAL: And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is all for Allah. But if they cease, then lo! Allah is Seer of what they do.
SHAKIR: And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah; but if they desist, then surely Allah sees what they do.
YUSUFALI: If they refuse, be sure that Allah is your Protector - the best to protect and the best to help.
PICKTHAL: And if they turn away, then know that Allah is your Befriender - a Transcendent Patron, a Transcendent Helper!
SHAKIR: And if they turn back, then know that Allah is your Patron; most excellent is the Patron and most excellent the Helper.
YUSUFALI: And know that out of all the booty that ye may acquire (in war), a fifth share is assigned to Allah,- and to the Messenger, and to near relatives, orphans, the needy, and the wayfarer,- if ye do believe in Allah and in the revelation We sent down to Our servant on the Day of Testing,- the Day of the meeting of the two forces. For Allah hath power over all things.
PICKTHAL: And know that whatever ye take as spoils of war, lo! a fifth thereof is for Allah, and for the messenger and for the kinsman (who hath need) and orphans and the needy and the wayfarer, if ye believe in Allah and that which We revealed unto Our slave on the Day of Discrimination, the day when the two armies met. And Allah is Able to do all things.
SHAKIR: And know that whatever thing you gain, a fifth of it is for Allah and for the Messenger and for the near of kin and the orphans and the needy and the wayfarer, if you believe in Allah and in that which We revealed to Our servant, on the day of distinction, the day on which the two parties met; and Allah has power over all things.
Could Western foreign policy be described as "desisting"?
"Ask yourself, how is it possible that when young teenagers leave their London homes to fight for ISIL, the debate all too often focuses on whether the security services are to blame?"
If you were an Islamophobe, you would just love the idea of Muslims being targeted for being Muslim and expect them to like it or lump it or leave the country, wouldn't you?
Secretly or not so secretly, Islamophobes want Muslims all to be radicalised and become terrorists so they can just mow them down with their machine guns after they have locked them up in one big mosque and set fire to it if they try to escape ....
If you were Muslim, you would be quite likely to be radicalised once you are aware of the extent and depth of the Islamophobia against you.
"And how can it be that after the tragic events at Charlie Hebdo in Paris, weeks were spent discussing the limits of free speech and satire, rather than whether terrorists should be executing people full stop?"
I am sure even the terrorists knew they had forfeited their lives after they gunned down Charlie Hebdo.
I don't recall anyone saying that these gunmen should have been let off if they were caught alive or that gunning people down for whatever reason should not be allowed. The debate was whether Charlie Hebdo "had it coming".
"When we allow the extremists to set the terms of the debate in this way, is it any wonder that people are attracted to this ideology?"
What does he mean by allowing the extremists "to set the terms of the debate"?
"For all our successes as multi-racial, multi-faith democracy, we have to confront a tragic truth that there are people born and raised in this country who don’t really identify with Britain – and who feel little or no attachment to other people here. Indeed, there is a danger in some of our communities that you can go your whole life and have little to do with people from other faiths and backgrounds."
If mainstream culture is perceived as dipso, fatso, bingo, asbo, Tesco and paedo, then don't expect any sane person to want to integrate into it.
"So when groups like ISIL seek to rally our young people to their poisonous cause, it can offer them a sense of belonging that they can lack here at home, leaving them more susceptible to radicalisation and even violence against other British people to whom they feel no real allegiance."
"Instead of being a slut, SSM (Slut Single Mother) or a man afraid of sluts and SSMs, why not become a jihadi warrior?" is probably quite a seductive suggestion.
"let’s not forget our strongest weapon: our own liberal values."
The West's strongest poison which it causes its own citizens to imbibe regularly is its own liberal values that produced the foreign policy complained of by Muslim terrorists - liberal interventionism or Western militarism, if you prefer.
Muslims living in the West inclined to become Muslim terrorists are also disgusted by the permissive sexual mores of the West, which has now plumbed new depths with gay marriage.
|Two gay men get it on with each other in a funeral parlour.|
East Enders is shown at 7.30 pm.
"We should contrast their bigotry, aggression and theocracy with our values. We have, in our country, a very clear creed and we need to promote it much more confidently. Wherever we are from, whatever our background, whatever our religion, there are things we share together."
Islam is about forbidding extramarital sex, liberal values is about having sex wherever, whenever with whomever. Those who regard sodomy as an abomination, as the Koran instructs them to, would regard gay marriage with as much disgust as a gourmet would experience if invited to eat shit.
"We are all British. We respect democracy and the rule of law. We believe in freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of worship, equal rights regardless of race, sex, sexuality or faith."
So all the white British people who are descended from generations of white British people who disapproved of LGBTs were never British?
If we don't subscribe to the Cameronian view of Britishness then we are automatically no longer British?
"We believe in respecting different faiths but also expecting those faiths to support the British way of life. These are British values. And are underpinned by distinct British institutions. Our freedom comes from our Parliamentary democracy. The rule of law exists because of our independent judiciary. This is the home that we are building together."
What freedom is this? The freedom to fuck wherever, whenever with whomever? No thanks.
"Whether you are Muslim, Hindu, Jewish, Christian or Sikh, whether you were born here or born abroad, we can all feel part of this country – and we must now all come together and stand up for our values with confidence and pride."
Must we all be glad to be gay? If not, will we be punished?
If we were all gay there wouldn't be much of a next generation to be British or be seen as degenerate Britons any more.
"And as we do so, we should together challenge the ludicrous conspiracy theories of the extremists. The world is not conspiring against Islam; the security services aren't behind terrorist attacks; our new Prevent duty for schools is not about criminalising or spying on Muslim children. This is paranoia in the extreme."
If people hate you enough they will willingly believe any lie about you, no matter how obviously ludicrous.
"In fact that duty will empower parents and teachers to protect children from all forms of extremism – whether Islamist or neo-Nazi."
Muslims and Nazis are quite likely to denounce Israel, Jews, Zionists and Zionism, I imagine.
"We must stand up to those who try to suggest that there is some kind of secret Muslim conspiracy to take over our government, or that Islam and Britain are somehow incompatible."
Islam is about social conservatism, degenerate PC Liberalism is about desecrating the institutions of marriage and the family.
"People who say these things are trying to undermine our shared values and make Muslims feel like they don’t belong here, and we will not let these conspiracy theorists win."
Actually, the Far Right and Muslim radicals are agreed that democracy and Christianity is a dead duck. Interestingly, a Caliph is just a dictator who undertakes to govern using Koranic principles in a one-party theocracy.
"And here’s my message to any young person here in Britain thinking of going out there:
You won’t be some valued member of a movement. You are cannon fodder for them. They will use you.
If you are a boy, they will brainwash you, strap bombs to your body and blow you up."
But if you are a brave jihadi warrior, they might reward you with sex slaves.
"If you are a girl, they will enslave and abuse you."
Jihadis are supposed to marry their sex slaves, I believe.
"using people who really understand the true nature of what life is like under ISIL to communicate to young and vulnerable people the brutal reality of this ideology"
If it is perceived as HMG propaganda, it will be dismissed out of hand.
"empowering the UK’s Syrian, Iraqi and Kurdish communities, so they can have platforms from which to speak out against the carnage ISIL is conducting in their countries"
These Syrians, Iraqis and Kurds would refugees and their statements would be made under duress. The intelligent radical would know to dismiss whatever they say as government mouthpieces.
"countering this ideology better on the ground through specific de-radicalisation programmes"
De-radicalisation programmes = brainwashing programmes
Will this mean preventing us from using deductive reasoning and coming to the natural and obvious conclusion with the available and undisputed facts?
"we need our internet companies to go further in helping us identify potential terrorists online."
How far have they gone already, and how much further does Cameron want them to go?
"They – the internet companies - have shown with the vital work they are doing in clamping down on child abuse images that they can step up when there is a moral imperative to act. And it’s now time for them to do the same to protect their users from the scourge of radicalisation."
Sounds like Cameron wants internet companies to block certain websites from their customers. Which ones?
"the Home Secretary has already announced a review of sharia courts."
Sounds like the government proposes to interfere in the process of arbitration.
"new protection orders which came into force last Friday and were used immediately by Bedfordshire police to prevent two girls being taken to Africa."
What would be the terms of these protection orders?
"passive tolerance of practices running totally contrary to our values."
Will Muslims be expected to apologise for Muslim terrorism the moment an Islamophobe demands an apology from him?
This is going to be fun and so going to make Muslims stop wanting to blow us up!
"The failure of social services, the police and local authorities, to deal with child sex abuse in places like Rotherham was frankly unforgiveable."
It was only too predictable that the coppers were not going to take the complaints seriously.
"police, already not caring enough about teenage girls being abused, could not be bothered with dealing with the flak of being accused of racism; it is not because they were being ultra-careful not to target an already maligned ethnic group.
The reason there was inaction and poor practice in tackling this crime early on is not political correctness but rather racist cowardice combined with a distaste for the victims. It is precisely because the liberal left has refused to tackle the thorny issues surrounding race and ethnicity that the likes of Ukip are able to colonise it so successfully."
Nobody cares about abandoned children who were carelessly conceived then carelessly abandoned by their unfit promiscuous irresponsible Slut Single Mothers (whom no MP will criticise) into care homes.
"And look what happened in Tower Hamlets, in the heart of our capital city. We had political corruption on an epic scale: with voters intimidated and a court adjudicating on accusations of ‘undue spiritual influence’ for the first time since the 19th century. As the judge said: those in authority were too afraid to ‘confront wrongdoing for fear of allegations of racism’."
This decision is being appealed by the ex-Mayor of Tower Hamlet found guilty of a criminal offence by a clearly biased Election Court judge who thought he could find Lutfur Rahman guilty of a criminal offence without the involvement of the police charging and arresting him.
"We undertook an immediate review when it became apparent that extremists had taken over some of our schools in the so-called Trojan Horse scandal here in Birmingham. But I have to be honest here – one year on, although we are making progress, it is not quick enough. It has taken too long to take action against the governors and teachers involved in the scandal and to support the schools affected to turn themselves around."
All these parents wanted was keep their children's school environment Islamic ie without sex ed, which encourages British schoolgirls to be sluts.
"So as part of our Extremism Bill, we are going to introduce new narrowly targeted powers to enable us to deal with these facilitators and cult leaders, and stop them peddling their hatred."
Sounds like Cameron is proposing to ban them from Twitter and Facebook.
"And we will also work to strengthen Ofcom’s role to enable us to take action against foreign channels that broadcast hate preachers and extremist content."
Which channels are these?
"I have charged Louise Casey to carry out a review of how to boost opportunity and integration in these communities and bring Britain together as one nation. She will look at issues like how we can ensure people learn English; how we boost employment outcomes, especially for women; how state agencies can work with these communities to properly promote integration and opportunity but also learning lessons from past mistakes - when funding was simply handed over to self-appointed ‘community leaders’ who sometimes used the money in a divisive way.
Louise will provide an interim report early next year. And we will use this report to inform our plans for funding a new wider Cohesive Communities Programme next year, focusing resources on improving integration and extending opportunity in those communities that most need it."
Fat bird to sort the Muslims out.
"Taking on extremism in all its forms – both violent and non-violent."
Why not have a National Debating Society on Foreign and Domestic Policy with a large cash prize for secondary schoolchildren and adults with televised debates allowing viewers to vote by text on Saturday evenings instead of the usual crap?
"Britain has never been cowed by fear or hatred or terror.
Our Great British resolve faced down Hitler; it defeated Communism; it saw off the IRA’s assaults on our way of life. Time and again we have stood up to aggression and tyranny."
Brighton Bomb - 1984 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brighton_hotel_bombing
Anglo-Irish Agreement - 1985 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Irish_Agreement