THE VOICE OF REASON
Solon, (born c. 630 BCE—died c. 560 BCE), Athenian statesman, known as one of the Seven Wise Men of Greece (the others were Chilon of Sparta, Thales of Miletus, Bias of Priene, Cleobulus of Lindos, Pittacus of Mytilene, and Periander of Corinth). Solon ended exclusive aristocratic control of the government, substituted a system of control by the wealthy, and introduced a new and more humane law code. He was also a noted poet.
If you propose a radical course of action, does that mean you are radicalised?
Extreme error requires extreme correction, does it not?
Is there anything inherently immoral about proposing a radical course of action if you think only radical action would solve the problem, whatever it is?
Is radicalisation another way of calling someone an extremist and is calling someone an extremist a way of marginalising and ultimately dismissing and ignoring his views? Radicalisation is a word you use to smear your political opponents. If you believe the status quo is perfect, then you would view any attempt to change it as subversive, evil and dangerous. But if the status quo is perfect, as you claim, then why is there a problem of "radicalisation"?
If you tell someone who disagrees with you that it is your intention to smear him, marginalise his views and then ignore his views after you have dismissed them as radical and extremist, do you think he will change his mind about whatever he thinks the problem is?
Can anyone define what extremism is, without looking it up?
Can a government be extremist without knowing it?
Why is the government always assuming it can never be the one guilty of extremism? Surely that is in theory possible?
"So as we talk about the threat of extremism and the challenge of integration, we should not do our country down – we are, without a shadow of doubt, a beacon to the world."
Is Cameron suggesting that "doing our country down" is a sign of extremism? And that Western government is perfect?
"the focus of my remarks today is on tackling Islamist extremism – not Islam the religion"
The only difference is Muslims who decide to stay in the West and keep their heads down, and those who choose to go to Syria and fight under the Caliphate or commit acts of terrorism in the West.
The Koran does state that Muslims have a duty to fight oppression and there is no doubt that Muslims will perceive that Muslims are being oppressed if Muslim countries are invaded and regime-change imposed on them by the West.
"like any extreme doctrine, it is subversive."
Any ideology that is diametrically opposed to yours would be logically "subversive".
Feminism is subversive to the patriarchy and marriage.
Muslims respect the institutions of marriage and the family, and have noticed that PC Liberalism is subversive to these institutions.
"At its furthest end it seeks to destroy nation-states to invent its own barbaric realm. And it often backs violence to achieve this aim – mostly violence against fellow Muslims – who don’t subscribe to its sick worldview."
Muslim terrorists who object to Western foreign policy have worked out that Western foreign policy is the direct consequence of Western democracy and have therefore deduced that the only way to challenge Western foreign policy is to put the frighteners on the people who keep voting for the same shit parties who perpetuate the shit foreign policy they object to.
Was there a single BNP voter who was a victim of the 7/7 bombing? Statistically that would be unlikely. (The BNP were the only party in the land who offered an alternative non-Zionist foreign policy. Michael Adebalajo actually considered voting for them, and was said to have approached a BNP organiser running a paper sale in Woolwich and discussed UK foreign policy with him.) http://thevoiceofreason-ann.blogspot.co.uk/2014/02/how-end-problem-of-terrorism-without.html
As for Muslims killing Muslims, we already know Nazis kill other Nazis (Night of the Long Knives) and Commies also kill other Commies (Trotsky was assassinated by Stalin's secret police). Atrocities are often committed in war and revolution. The English had the English Civil War and the Americans their American Civil War.
Islamic State are doubtless purging their own ranks of whom they perceive as being subversives and traitors, as you would expect, really.
"basic liberal values such as democracy, freedom and sexual equality."
Democracy only lasted 180 years in Athens.
Freedom? Freedom to do WHAT? What is this sexual equality? Does he mean gay marriage?
"Ideas which actively promote discrimination, sectarianism and segregation."
Like ladies withdrawing after dinner? That would be sex segregation, I suppose, and having male and female toilets.
What sectarianism is he referring to?
"Ideas – like those of the despicable far right – which privilege one identity to the detriment of the rights and freedoms of others."
PC Liberals and their protected groups are privileged by law over social conservatives, are they not?
Christians have no freedom of contract to refuse to bake sodomite cakes for LGBTs and no right to refuse to have them as guests in their B&Bs.
"And ideas also based on conspiracy: that Jews exercise malevolent power; or that Western powers, in concert with Israel, are deliberately humiliating Muslims, because they aim to destroy Islam. "
Cameron has never heard of the Israel Lobby or AIPAC, clearly.
"In this warped worldview, such conclusions are reached – that 9/11 was actually inspired by Mossad to provoke the invasion of Afghanistan; that British security services knew about 7/7, but didn’t do anything about it because they wanted to provoke an anti-Muslim backlash."
These views cannot be disproven, can they?
They cannot be disproven the way God's existence cannot be proven or disproven.
"And like so many ideologies that have existed before – whether fascist or communist – many people, especially young people, are being drawn to it. We need to understand why it is proving so attractive."
If you are Muslim and you care about other Muslims, you would be inclined to think that the NATO invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan did not improve life for Muslims in these countries.
You may have noticed that the UK government has not given any convincing reasons to justify these invasions and may even have noticed that the Chilcot Enquiry's findings have had their publication delayed to protect the MPs who called for and voted for these invasions.
'So when people say “it’s because of the involvement in the Iraq War that people are attacking the West”, we should remind them: 9/11 – the biggest loss of life of British citizens in a terrorist attack – happened before the Iraq War.'
"When they say that these are wronged Muslims getting revenge on their Western wrongdoers, let’s remind them: from Kosovo to Somalia, countries like Britain have stepped in to save Muslim people from massacres – it’s groups like ISIL, Al Qaeda and Boko Haram that are the ones murdering Muslims."
"Far from being Tony Blair's "good war", Nato's assault on Yugoslavia was in its own way as immoral as the assault on Iraq. But as the Iraq war has become discredited, so it is even more important for the supporters of "liberal interventionism" to promote the line that Kosovo was in some way a success. The Council of Europe's report on the KLA's crimes makes that position much harder to maintain. And if it plays its part in making people more sceptical about any future western "liberal interventions", it is to be warmly welcomed."
Western interventionism does not exactly create for Westerners a fund of goodwill, does it?
"the adherents of this ideology are overpowering other voices within Muslim debate, especially those trying to challenge it. There are so many strong, positive Muslim voices that are being drowned out."
Those inclined to go on jihad are unlikely to be persuaded by the elderly and the middle-aged telling them not to go.
The already know elderly risk-averse male relations reliant on the NHS would not wish to go on jihad, and their comfortable and complacent parents would not wish to go on jihad either.
As for the clerics who insist that all terrorism is by definition wrong, that is not what the Koran really says, does it?
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YUSUFALI: Say to the Unbelievers, if (now) they desist (from Unbelief), their past would be forgiven them; but if they persist, the punishment of those before them is already (a matter of warning for them).
PICKTHAL: Tell those who disbelieve that if they cease (from persecution of believers) that which is past will be forgiven them; but if they return (thereto) then the example of the men of old hath already gone (before them, for a warning).
SHAKIR: Say to those who disbelieve, if they desist, that which is past shall be forgiven to them; and if they return, then what happened to the ancients has already passed.
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YUSUFALI: And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah altogether and everywhere; but if they cease, verily Allah doth see all that they do.
PICKTHAL: And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is all for Allah. But if they cease, then lo! Allah is Seer of what they do.
SHAKIR: And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah; but if they desist, then surely Allah sees what they do.
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YUSUFALI: If they refuse, be sure that Allah is your Protector - the best to protect and the best to help.
PICKTHAL: And if they turn away, then know that Allah is your Befriender - a Transcendent Patron, a Transcendent Helper!
SHAKIR: And if they turn back, then know that Allah is your Patron; most excellent is the Patron and most excellent the Helper.
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YUSUFALI: And know that out of all the booty that ye may acquire (in war), a fifth share is assigned to Allah,- and to the Messenger, and to near relatives, orphans, the needy, and the wayfarer,- if ye do believe in Allah and in the revelation We sent down to Our servant on the Day of Testing,- the Day of the meeting of the two forces. For Allah hath power over all things.
PICKTHAL: And know that whatever ye take as spoils of war, lo! a fifth thereof is for Allah, and for the messenger and for the kinsman (who hath need) and orphans and the needy and the wayfarer, if ye believe in Allah and that which We revealed unto Our slave on the Day of Discrimination, the day when the two armies met. And Allah is Able to do all things.
SHAKIR: And know that whatever thing you gain, a fifth of it is for Allah and for the Messenger and for the near of kin and the orphans and the needy and the wayfarer, if you believe in Allah and in that which We revealed to Our servant, on the day of distinction, the day on which the two parties met; and Allah has power over all things.
Could Western foreign policy be described as "desisting"?
"Ask yourself, how is it possible that when young teenagers leave their London homes to fight for ISIL, the debate all too often focuses on whether the security services are to blame?"
If you were an Islamophobe, you would just love the idea of Muslims being targeted for being Muslim and expect them to like it or lump it or leave the country, wouldn't you?
Secretly or not so secretly, Islamophobes want Muslims all to be radicalised and become terrorists so they can just mow them down with their machine guns after they have locked them up in one big mosque and set fire to it if they try to escape ....
If you were Muslim, you would be quite likely to be radicalised once you are aware of the extent and depth of the Islamophobia against you.
"And how can it be that after the tragic events at Charlie Hebdo in Paris, weeks were spent discussing the limits of free speech and satire, rather than whether terrorists should be executing people full stop?"
I am sure even the terrorists knew they had forfeited their lives after they gunned down Charlie Hebdo.
I don't recall anyone saying that these gunmen should have been let off if they were caught alive or that gunning people down for whatever reason should not be allowed. The debate was whether Charlie Hebdo "had it coming".
"When we allow the extremists to set the terms of the debate in this way, is it any wonder that people are attracted to this ideology?"
What does he mean by allowing the extremists "to set the terms of the debate"?
"For all our successes as multi-racial, multi-faith democracy, we have to confront a tragic truth that there are people born and raised in this country who don’t really identify with Britain – and who feel little or no attachment to other people here. Indeed, there is a danger in some of our communities that you can go your whole life and have little to do with people from other faiths and backgrounds."
"So when groups like ISIL seek to rally our young people to their poisonous cause, it can offer them a sense of belonging that they can lack here at home, leaving them more susceptible to radicalisation and even violence against other British people to whom they feel no real allegiance."
"Instead of being a slut, SSM (Slut Single Mother) or a man afraid of sluts and SSMs, why not become a jihadi warrior?" is probably quite a seductive suggestion.
"let’s not forget our strongest weapon: our own liberal values."
The West's strongest poison which it causes its own citizens to imbibe regularly is its own liberal values that produced the foreign policy complained of by Muslim terrorists - liberal interventionism or Western militarism, if you prefer.
Muslims living in the West inclined to become Muslim terrorists are also disgusted by the permissive sexual mores of the West, which has now plumbed new depths with gay marriage.
Two gay men get it on with each other in a funeral parlour. East Enders is shown at 7.30 pm.
Two men kissing each other in broad daylight in a public place.
East Enders is shown at 7.30 pm.
"We should contrast their bigotry, aggression and theocracy with our values. We have, in our country, a very clear creed and we need to promote it much more confidently. Wherever we are from, whatever our background, whatever our religion, there are things we share together."
Islam is about forbidding extramarital sex, liberal values is about having sex wherever, whenever with whomever. Those who regard sodomy as an abomination, as the Koran instructs them to, would regard gay marriage with as much disgust as a gourmet would experience if invited to eat shit.
"We are all British. We respect democracy and the rule of law. We believe in freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of worship, equal rights regardless of race, sex, sexuality or faith."
So all the white British people who are descended from generations of white British people who disapproved of LGBTs were never British?
If we don't subscribe to the Cameronian view of Britishness then we are automatically no longer British?
"We believe in respecting different faiths but also expecting those faiths to support the British way of life. These are British values. And are underpinned by distinct British institutions. Our freedom comes from our Parliamentary democracy. The rule of law exists because of our independent judiciary. This is the home that we are building together."
What freedom is this? The freedom to fuck wherever, whenever with whomever? No thanks.
"Whether you are Muslim, Hindu, Jewish, Christian or Sikh, whether you were born here or born abroad, we can all feel part of this country – and we must now all come together and stand up for our values with confidence and pride."
Must we all be glad to be gay? If not, will we be punished?
If we were all gay there wouldn't be much of a next generation to be British or be seen as degenerate Britons any more.
"And as we do so, we should together challenge the ludicrous conspiracy theories of the extremists. The world is not conspiring against Islam; the security services aren't behind terrorist attacks; our new Prevent duty for schools is not about criminalising or spying on Muslim children. This is paranoia in the extreme."
If people hate you enough they will willingly believe any lie about you, no matter how obviously ludicrous.
"In fact that duty will empower parents and teachers to protect children from all forms of extremism – whether Islamist or neo-Nazi."
Muslims and Nazis are quite likely to denounce Israel, Jews, Zionists and Zionism, I imagine.
"We must stand up to those who try to suggest that there is some kind of secret Muslim conspiracy to take over our government, or that Islam and Britain are somehow incompatible."
Islam is about social conservatism, degenerate PC Liberalism is about desecrating the institutions of marriage and the family.
"People who say these things are trying to undermine our shared values and make Muslims feel like they don’t belong here, and we will not let these conspiracy theorists win."
Actually, the Far Right and Muslim radicals are agreed that democracy and Christianity is a dead duck. Interestingly, a Caliph is just a dictator who undertakes to govern using Koranic principles in a one-party theocracy.
"And here’s my message to any young person here in Britain thinking of going out there:
You won’t be some valued member of a movement. You are cannon fodder for them. They will use you.
If you are a boy, they will brainwash you, strap bombs to your body and blow you up."
But if you are a brave jihadi warrior, they might reward you with sex slaves.
"If you are a girl, they will enslave and abuse you."
Jihadis are supposed to marry their sex slaves, I believe.
"using people who really understand the true nature of what life is like under ISIL to communicate to young and vulnerable people the brutal reality of this ideology"
If it is perceived as HMG propaganda, it will be dismissed out of hand.
"empowering the UK’s Syrian, Iraqi and Kurdish communities, so they can have platforms from which to speak out against the carnage ISIL is conducting in their countries"
These Syrians, Iraqis and Kurds would refugees and their statements would be made under duress. The intelligent radical would know to dismiss whatever they say as government mouthpieces.
"countering this ideology better on the ground through specific de-radicalisation programmes"
Will this mean preventing us from using deductive reasoning and coming to the natural and obvious conclusion with the available and undisputed facts?
"we need our internet companies to go further in helping us identify potential terrorists online."
How far have they gone already, and how much further does Cameron want them to go?
"They – the internet companies - have shown with the vital work they are doing in clamping down on child abuse images that they can step up when there is a moral imperative to act. And it’s now time for them to do the same to protect their users from the scourge of radicalisation."
Sounds like Cameron wants internet companies to block certain websites from their customers. Which ones?
"the Home Secretary has already announced a review of sharia courts."
Sounds like the government proposes to interfere in the process of arbitration.
"new protection orders which came into force last Friday and were used immediately by Bedfordshire police to prevent two girls being taken to Africa."
What would be the terms of these protection orders?
"passive tolerance of practices running totally contrary to our values."
Will Muslims be expected to apologise for Muslim terrorism the moment an Islamophobe demands an apology from him?
This is going to be fun and so going to make Muslims stop wanting to blow us up!
"The failure of social services, the police and local authorities, to deal with child sex abuse in places like Rotherham was frankly unforgiveable."
It was only too predictable that the coppers were not going to take the complaints seriously.
"police, already not caring enough about teenage girls being abused, could not be bothered with dealing with the flak of being accused of racism; it is not because they were being ultra-careful not to target an already maligned ethnic group.
The reason there was inaction and poor practice in tackling this crime early on is not political correctness but rather racist cowardice combined with a distaste for the victims. It is precisely because the liberal left has refused to tackle the thorny issues surrounding race and ethnicity that the likes of Ukip are able to colonise it so successfully."
Nobody cares about abandoned children who were carelessly conceived then carelessly abandoned by their unfit promiscuous irresponsible Slut Single Mothers (whom no MP will criticise) into care homes.
"And look what happened in Tower Hamlets, in the heart of our capital city. We had political corruption on an epic scale: with voters intimidated and a court adjudicating on accusations of ‘undue spiritual influence’ for the first time since the 19th century. As the judge said: those in authority were too afraid to ‘confront wrongdoing for fear of allegations of racism’."
This decision is being appealed by the ex-Mayor of Tower Hamlet found guilty of a criminal offence by a clearly biased Election Court judge who thought he could find Lutfur Rahman guilty of a criminal offence without the involvement of the police charging and arresting him.
"We undertook an immediate review when it became apparent that extremists had taken over some of our schools in the so-called Trojan Horse scandal here in Birmingham. But I have to be honest here – one year on, although we are making progress, it is not quick enough. It has taken too long to take action against the governors and teachers involved in the scandal and to support the schools affected to turn themselves around."
All these parents wanted was keep their children's school environment Islamic ie without sex ed, which encourages British schoolgirls to be sluts.
"So as part of our Extremism Bill, we are going to introduce new narrowly targeted powers to enable us to deal with these facilitators and cult leaders, and stop them peddling their hatred."
Sounds like Cameron is proposing to ban them from Twitter and Facebook.
"And we will also work to strengthen Ofcom’s role to enable us to take action against foreign channels that broadcast hate preachers and extremist content."
Which channels are these?
"I have charged Louise Casey to carry out a review of how to boost opportunity and integration in these communities and bring Britain together as one nation. She will look at issues like how we can ensure people learn English; how we boost employment outcomes, especially for women; how state agencies can work with these communities to properly promote integration and opportunity but also learning lessons from past mistakes - when funding was simply handed over to self-appointed ‘community leaders’ who sometimes used the money in a divisive way.
Louise will provide an interim report early next year. And we will use this report to inform our plans for funding a new wider Cohesive Communities Programme next year, focusing resources on improving integration and extending opportunity in those communities that most need it."
"Taking on extremism in all its forms – both violent and non-violent."
Why not have a National Debating Society on Foreign and Domestic Policy with a large cash prize for secondary schoolchildren and adults with televised debates allowing viewers to vote by text on Saturday evenings instead of the usual crap?
"Britain has never been cowed by fear or hatred or terror.
Our Great British resolve faced down Hitler; it defeated Communism; it saw off the IRA’s assaults on our way of life. Time and again we have stood up to aggression and tyranny."
David Cameron is outlining new measures today to tackle extremism in the UK - plans for a counter-extremism bill will be set out at the first meeting since the election of the National Security Council. Jonathan Russell is the political liaison officer for Quilliam, the counter extremist think tank.
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David Cameron is outlining new measures today to tackle extremism in the UK - plans for a counter-extremism bill will be set out at the first meeting since the election of the National Security Council. Theresa May is the Home Secretary.
Through their provision of SMSC (spiritual, moral, social and cultural [development]), schools should:
• enable students to develop their self-knowledge, self-esteem and self-confidence;
• enable students to distinguish right from wrong and to respect the civil and criminal law of England;
• encourage students to accept responsibility for their behaviour, show initiative, and to understand how they can contribute positively to the lives of those living and working in the locality of the school and to society more widely;
• enable students to acquire a broad general knowledge of and respect for public institutions and services in England;
• further tolerance and harmony between different cultural traditions by enabling students to acquire an appreciation of and respect for their own and other cultures;
• encourage respect for other people; and
• encourage respect for democracy and support for participation in the democratic processes, including respect for the basis on which the law is made and applied in England.
The list below describes the understanding and knowledge expected of pupils as a result of schools promoting fundamental British values.
• an understanding of how citizens can influence decision-making through the democratic process;
• an appreciation that living under the rule of law protects individual citizens and is essential for their well-being and safety;
• an understanding that there is a separation of power between the executive and the judiciary, and that while some public bodies such as the police and the army can be held to account through Parliament, others such as the courts maintain independence;
• an understanding that the freedom to choose and hold other faiths and beliefs is protected in law;
• an acceptance that other people having different faiths or beliefs to oneself (or having none) should be accepted and tolerated, and should not be the cause of prejudicial or discriminatory behaviour; and
• an understanding of the importance of identifying and combating discrimination.
As a qualified solicitor, I am sure Anjem Choudary already understands all of the above.
John Humphrys repeatedly asked Theresa May for a definition of extremism, for Conservative plans for banning orders. pic.twitter.com/vICT3Yg2uF
If Britain is a matriarchal society - and believe me it is - does proposing and promoting a return to the patriarchy mean you are guilty of extremism?
What is the evidence that Britain is a matriarchal society? The desecration by the establishment of the institution of marriage. All it takes for a matriarchy to establish itself is the absence of the practice of marriage and society's lack of respect for this institution. To respect marriage, we must logically and necessarily forbid extramarital sex. Instead, however, a Conservative government actually went out of its way to legalise gay marriage, which is like decriminalising what was once a criminal offence to solve the crime problem. Sadly, the British are now so degenerate that they cannot see through this ruse, or worse, they are so depraved they pretend not to understand this point no matter how many times or how clearly I explain this.
Watch your thoughts, for they become words. Watch your words, for they become actions. Watch your actions, for they become habits. Watch your habits, for they become your character. And watch your character, for it becomes your destiny.
Q1. What are the thoughts of the British?
A1. [Extramarital] sex and shopping.
Q2. What are the actions of the British?
A2. Sexual intercourse, especially of the extramarital variety.
Q3. What are the habits of the British?
A3. Drunkenness, over-eating, gambling, anti-social behaviour and borrowing to buy things they don't need with money they don't have. When they are not having extramarital sex, drinking, over-eating and shopping, they like pretending that indiscriminate universal suffrage - the so-called democratic process - is superior to all forms of government when it is clear that they out of all nations have lost the most through the operation of democracy.
In recent years, Sue had treated growing numbers of teenage girls with internal injuries caused by frequent anal sex; not, as Sue found out, because she wanted to, or because she enjoyed it – on the contrary – but because a boy expected her to. “I’ll spare you the gruesome details,” said Sue, “but these girls are very young and slight and their bodies are simply not designed for that.” Her patients were deeply ashamed at presenting with such injuries. They had lied to their mums about it and felt they couldn’t confide in anyone else, which only added to their distress. When Sue questioned them further, they said they were humiliated by the experience, but they had simply not felt they could say no. Anal sex was standard among teenagers now, even though the girls knew that it hurt. For Sue’s surgery isn’t in some inner-city borough where kids may have been brutalised or come from cultures where such practices are commonly used as contraception. Sue works in the leafy heart of Hampshire. The girls presenting with incontinence were often under the age of consent and from loving, stable homes. Just the sort of kids who, only two generations ago, would have been enjoying riding and ballet lessons, and still looking forward to their first kiss, not being coerced into violent sex by some kid who picked up his ideas about physical intimacy from a dogging video on his mobile.
Yet when Muslim parents take organised action to prevent the same thing from happening to their daughters, they are denounced as "Trojan horses". http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/10983109/Trojan-horse-plot-report-disturbing-evidence-of-intolerant-Islamic-ethos.html As you would expect, their Muslim values warns them against integrating into a society that asserts extramarital sex as a right or even a sacrament. While Muslims worship and fear an omnipotent and morally perfect God, Islamophobes, feminists and liberals worship and fear sluts. They fear and hate Islam because they see it as an ideology that threatens their right to have extramarital sex as well as what they regard as their "liberty" and their "way of life".
Would David Cameron's proposal to "tackle extremism" criminalise people like Keith Joseph, Howard Flight, Ann Coulter, Ian Cowie and Benedict Brogan as well as my good self and Anjem Choudary?
@TrollULike British values: treating as a sacrament extramarital sex in all its varieties and worshipping sluts rather than shaming them.
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YUSUFALI: If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, Take the evidence of four (Reliable) witnesses from amongst you against them; and if they testify, confine them to houses until death do claim them, or Allah ordain for them some (other) way.
PICKTHAL: As for those of your women who are guilty of lewdness, call to witness four of you against them. And if they testify (to the truth of the allegation) then confine them to the houses until death take them or (until) Allah appoint for them a way (through new legislation).
SHAKIR: And as for those who are guilty of an indecency from among your women, call to witnesses against them four (witnesses) from among you; then if they bear witness confine them to the houses until death takes them away or Allah opens some way for them.
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YUSUFALI: If two men among you are guilty of lewdness, punish them both. If they repent and amend, Leave them alone; for Allah is Oft-returning, Most Merciful.
PICKTHAL: And as for the two of you who are guilty thereof, punish them both. And if they repent and improve, then let them be. Lo! Allah is ever relenting, Merciful.
SHAKIR: And as for the two who are guilty of indecency from among you, give them both a punishment; then if they repent and amend, turn aside from them; surely Allah is Oft-returning (to mercy), the Merciful.
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YUSUFALI: The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication,- flog each of them with a hundred stripes: Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by Allah, if ye believe in Allah and the Last Day: and let a party of the Believers witness their punishment.
PICKTHAL: The adulterer and the adulteress, scourge ye each one of them (with) a hundred stripes. And let not pity for the twain withhold you from obedience to Allah, if ye believe in Allah and the Last Day. And let a party of believers witness their punishment.
SHAKIR: (As for) the fornicatress and the fornicator, flog each of them, (giving) a hundred stripes, and let not pity for them detain you in the matter of obedience to Allah, if you believe in Allah and the last day, and let a party of believers witness their chastisement.
