Cause of Uighur unrest in Xinjiang, the BNP, Social Cohesion and Al Muhajiroun

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_2009_%C3%9Cr%C3%BCmqi_riots#Immediate_causes

So now we know (apparently). It was all about a woman, or sex.

It would appear that the BNP are preparing themselves to do something like that about the Muslims, claiming that Muslims prey on white women.

No doubt they do, in the way that any sex predator would prey upon the easiest pickings.

Yet the BNP show no signs of dealing with a culture that condones female promiscuity (which of course exacerbates male promiscuity). In short, the Big Bad BNP are too afraid of their WAGs to tackle that issue properly themselves, while dismissing any Muslim who says that feminism and female promiscuity is a Bad Thing as backward, medieval, barbaric etc.

Far easier to blame the Muslims especially the Sharia for the UK lot AKA Al-Muhajiroun, who are so out of touch with the rest of society they might as well be living in Saudi. Apparently, they did not anticipate a problem at the debate they were hosting at Conway Hall, when they segregated the sexes, for a debate with Douglas Murray of the Centre for Social Cohesion, who now says he wants them banned.

The meeting was stopped by the anti-segregationist fanatics. It seems that these Muslims naively assumed that, as they were the ones hiring the hall and hosting the debate, they would be entitled to prevail upon the guests to accept their particular seating arrangements.

These people, in their alien clothes and their blood-curdling Islamic war-cries had no idea how much they offence they gave.

However, since Anjem Choundary cannot even meet me for an interview without having a chaperone with him, it would appear that these Muslims (who are beaten up by other Muslims for giving Islam a bad name and bringing trouble on the whole Muslim community) are their own worst enemies.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/belief/2009/jun/19/religion-islam-muhajiroun-choudary

Bad Manners and Anti-Segregationsist Fanaticism Harms Islamophobes' Cause

http://www.hurryupharry.org/2009/06/20/a-guest-post-from-an-al-muhajiroun-supporter/#comments

http://www.hurryupharry.org/2009/06/17/al-muhajiroun-extremists-and-thugs/#comment-356252

are the links that show just what these these foul-mouthed, self-righteous anti-segregationist fanatics are like.

They seem to think it is their right to disrupt any meeting organised and paid for by anyone else if it is not held on their own terms.

They also seem to equate being deprived of the proximity of the opposite sex for a few hours as an intolerable offence against liberty, while they are of the opinion that stopping a meeting held by people they despise is somehow justified.

Free speech is only allowed for people whose views they do not find offensive, and they are too dim to realise that this is not free speech at all, but Fascism and totalitarian censorship.

Anyone who remonstrates with them is called all sorts of foul names and accused of all sorts of things.

In the spirit of compromise, I wonder how they would feel about 3 separate areas of seating at the venue of any future debate on this subject:

1) an area exclusively for men
2) an area exclusively for women
3) an area exclusively for mixed seating

Will this be enough to satisfy the Anti-Segregationist Fanatics?

Global Issues Society, Sharia law and the Centre for Social Confusion

Press Release Dated 19th June 2009 in relation to

Conway Hall Conned Us and the Centre for Social Confusion

We can safely say that since the creation of mankind we have read and heard about disputes indeed even the two sons of Adam fought one another. Disagreements, arguments, rows and differences are a part and parcel of everyday life and one of the ways of understanding each other is to engage in a fruitful dialogue, healthy debates and have constructive discussions and that is one of the primary roles of Global Issues Society (GIS)

GIS is an independent body composed of undergraduates and postgraduate. GIS was launched primarily to facilitate and orchestrate events that would attract people from all walks of life, to come on a platform and air their views that would be scrutinised by the audience. Since its inception GIS has successfully contacted many professionals and academics and has managed to organise many intellectually stimulating debates.

We as an independent organisation have been transparent with all the people we have worked or communicated with from day one, this includes the guests that we invite, the authorities, the owners of the premises that we hire out.

With regards to what happened on the evening of 17th June 2009 between the hours of 6:00pm and 8:30pm. we have analysed the behavior of the Chair of the premises situated at Red Lion Square in London and the Director of CSC Mr Douglas Murray and we find it to be very immature, incompetent, immoral, secretive and lacking common sense.

Conway Hall

This landmark site is supposed to house the Ethical society so we ask the Chair Mr Enders what was so ethical in stopping a very much needed debate at a time when the general public is disillusioned by the current political system.

GIS hired out the premises and it did not stipulate in the contract who can sit where, or what the minimum age for entrance into the debate would be. However, we have NOT breached the contract rules of Conway Hall and they are refusing to refund the entire money for the hire of their premises and we are taking up matters with our solicitors.


GIS has experienced holding seminars in religious buildings where sometimes segregation of men and women takes place so in light of this GIS allowed for this provision on the assumption a lot of Muslims would attend the debate who would prefer this type of seating arrangement. We also understood the need that some of the attendees will not want to sit apart from their partners or friends and we catered for this arrangement too. GIS tries its best to break down all the barriers that would prevent people from contributing to any debate.


CSC

Where do we start with this unprofessional group of people, since our very first communiqué with Mr Douglas and his administration team headed by Hannah Stuart over one month ago we have had nothing but a nightmare of queries on top of queries. CSC never even had the courtesy of contacting GIS to inform us that they will arrive late. One of the issues of concern was will the chairperson be neutral in this debate. GIS offered CSC to choose their own chair weeks before the scheduled day of the debate. One of the biggest slanders of the day was to accuse the Chair person of assault – just to clarify the position of the Chair person he wanted to remain neutral and impartial to the extent he did not want to be on site until both guest speakers had arrived at the venue.

Arriving Headless (not as Douglas) one hour late on the pretext that this event was all staged, this is a big lie and a total fabrication. Mr Anjem has never attended any of our debates nor does he have anything to do with GIS. When questioned on numerous occasions by the public on why Douglas was late (he refused to entertain the question) he finally said he was late due to traffic.

The exaggeration of the CSC team is unbelievable another flaw in their own press release is the blatant lie that someone called Mr Keeler was present in the audience. GIS has credible reports that Mr Keeler is in prison serving a lengthy sentence.

Another point of interest is that usually CSC advertises everything on their website in relation to any events CSC will be participating in. Our question is why was the event that GIS organised not posted on the CSC website? Was their original intention never to come? If that was the case they should have been honest from the onset.

If the media and the general public would like access to the lengthy emails that were sent between GIS and CSC then they can contact us on our email address and we would be happy to forward everything to you.

We finally conclude that our team of committed workers is not perturbed by what has happened and we are in the process of organising another event in July and the topic of discussion will be Monotheism versus Polytheism. We invite everyone to come to this debate including Mr Anjem and Mr Douglas.

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/belief/2009/jun/19/religion-islam-muhajiroun-choudary Douglas Murray gives his account of the proceedings in The Guardian

Extremist Anti-Segregationists stop debate on Sharia law

I was there at the cancelled Sharia v UK law debate.

This is what I posted at Harry's Place at

http://www.hurryupharry.org/2009/06/17/al-muhajiroun-extremists-and-thugs/#comment-355918

I wonder who the extremists really are.

I was there and would have preferred the debate to have gone ahead
rather than having it stopped on the spurious grounds of infringing the rule of non-segregation.

If only someone had the presence of mind to ask those who were against and for segregation to raise their hands as well as those who didn’t care, and resolved the matter by a democratic vote, even if it meant that the segregationists would have had the day, since they were in the majority.

Not being an extremist trying to make a point, I was actually happy
where I was.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/jun/18/islamist-al-muhajiroun-meeting-chaos

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/islamist-group-has-to-abandon-relaunch-debate-1707890.html

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23709001-details/Clashes+as+Muslim+extremists+attempt+to+segregate+women/article.do

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1193869/Muslim-clashes-segregation-men-women-forces-cancellation-meeting.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/belief/2009/jun/18/al-muhajiroun-islamist-relaunch?showallcomments=true

Having been myself accused of all sorts by subsequent commentators, I posted another comment:

It was a trumped-up reason to stop the meeting, and an opportunity was missed to have these Muslims explain to us how and why their version of Sharia is so perfect and beautiful, and for Douglas Murray and anyone else to challenge this.

If they were hiring and paying for the hall, it behoves those
who wished to attend what was after all a free meeting to abide by their rules.

To do otherwise would have been an abuse of hospitality.

If invited to someone’s house and asked to remove my shoes before crossing the threshold, I would do so without hesitation and with good grace, even if it were my custom to sleep in my boots in my own home.

It is after all only good manners.

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