http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00fdkhv
Victoria Derbyshire:
"Celyn has quadriplegic cerebral palsy and epilepsy and cannot walk, talk or sit up, and she is also blind."
From 26th minute onwards.
CK:
I have three questions for her ...
VC:
Why don't we start with one and see how we get on?
CK:
All right then. I was wondering if Riven knew before Celyn was born that she should be severely disabled?
RV:
No, I didn't. She was brain-damaged at birth.
CK:
At birth: I am sorry to hear that. I suppose the question that is probably on everyone's mind is this: what are the benefits for the taxpayer in continuing to support the burdensome and unproductive existence of Celyn who will never lead a normal productive life, who is also ruining the childhoods of her healthy and normal brothers and sisters?
RV:
Well, I kind of hope we live in a civilised society where we take care of our vulnerable members whether elderly or disabled people. Celyn is actually quite bright so she is one of those disabled people who should she live to 18 there is no reason why she shouldn't get a job ...
CK:
[Spluttering at the thought of some unfortunate employer being compelled to take Celyn on as an employee who is blind and cannot walk, talk or sit up] But, but you said she can't even move!
RV:
[Patronisingly] No ... Stephen Hawkings [sic] can't move either. He's doing quite well ...
CK:
[Incredulous at the idea of a child who is blind, who cannot walk, talk or sit up being the next theoretical physicist and cosmologist and how no one even thought of contradicting this mother's delusion] Does she go to school?
RV:
She goes to school. She goes to a mainstream school ...
CK:
[Horrified at the idea of what Celyn's classmates must have to endure] And she can talk?
RV:
She talks, she uses a computer just like Stephen Hawkings [sic] does.
CK:
It seems unlikely that she will ... [trails off] The trouble with these things is that the more you support these things there more it happens and the more people will be asking for money and the more burdened the taxpayer be and we know the coffers are empty. The country's in debt and people will always want money for their stuff and it's other people's money.
VR:
Do you not want your taxes to help pay for Riven Vincent to look after her little girl at home?
CK:
Well, it's just that there are so many of these demands from mothers wanting this and wanting that and there needs seem to be unlimited and what there is actually in the kitty is very limited and we must now prioritise how we spend our money and think about the future.
Jack Lopresti MP:
Can I come in there? Is Claire for real? Claire do you actually have any children?
CK:
Yes.
JL:
You do? Well, I find what you have to say absolutely staggering, I have to say.
LIZ:
I can't believe ... I almost can't speak I'm so angry. Does this lady think maybe disabled people should be put down?
CK:
It depends on the degree of disability.
RV:
Oh my God. So you think that someone who is really disabled should be put down? Are we talking Nazi [inaudible]?
CK:
If I had a severely disabled child or knew I was about to have one I wouldn't impose it on the taxpayer and expect other people to pay for all the expensive equipment that it needs ...
VD:
So what would you do, Claire, out of interest? If you gave birth and the child ...
CK:
I would have an abortion.
VD:
No, no, if you gave birth and the child as in Riven's case was severely brain damaged during the birthing process. What would you do once the child was born?
CK:
I would ... [dramatic pause] ... reject it.
[Gasps of horror]
LIZ:
Are you related to Adolf Hitler?
CK:
I've heard that one before.
RV:
I believe we live in a civilised society ....
CK:
What is a civilised society? What does it mean? Surely we want to live in a rational society where our taxes are not wasted?
RV:
When you're old and frail ....
VD:
Claire! I'd like to ask a question, Claire. So in that situation the child would be given for adoption, yes?
CK:
Well, I wouldn't ... [trails off] I think it is unfair to pass it on like a parcel because I don't want to deal with it ...
VD:
What would happen?
CK:
I believe in the old days midwives would [interrupted by VD, but CK would have gone on to say "disposed of it for me".]
VD:
We are in 2011 now. What would happen to the child you rejected?
CK:
I don't know what the procedure is ...
VD:
Well, it would be adoption, so in your world, it would be a burden on the taxpayer.
CK:
Well, yes, yes ... [bottling out of saying that she would reluctantly have to commit infanticide]
RV:
Would you have put Stephen Hawkings [sic] down? He cost the taxpayer a great deal of money with his 24 hour care.
CK:
Well, I don't see that any of his theories actually help humanity much. I mean, what is the Superstring theory about?
LIZ:
What do you do? What do you do to help humanity?
CK:
I'd like to point out these anomalies in these situations were taxpayers' money is being wasted, day after day ...
LIZ:
[Shouting over CK even as she is answering the question] WHAT DO YOU DO TO JUSTIFY YOUR EXISTENCE ON THIS EARTH?
CK continues:
and you have cowardly politicians saying "Yes, yes, I'll give you anything just give me your vote and I'll continue to waste of taxpayers' money."
LIZ:
[Shouting] WHAT DO YOU DO TO JUSTIFY YOUR EXISTENCE ON EARTH?
CK:
I write and I point out these things that are wrong
VD [in an aside, with just a hint of pleasure and pride to have Claire Khaw on her show]:
It's Claire Khaw!
CK continues:
... and speak up for the taxpayer, that's what I'm on about.
VD:
Let's bring Liz in here.
LIZ:
Celyn's disability is not in her mind, like yours clearly is. Claire, I can't believe your attitude. I think it is totally uncivilised and totally disgusting.
JL:
Absolutely!
RV:
Me too!
VD:
Go ahead, Liz.
LIZ:
I'm apoplectic. I cannot believe that in the 21st century we have people with those sorts of views. The reason I got in contact with the programme is that a lot of people are missing the point in that Riven herself is disabled, so not only are we talking her having to look after her a disabled child, but she is disabled herself. I must say Jack Lopresti sounds like a waste of space. He's just toeing the party line. You can go on at the local authority until you are blue in the face, but you need to put your head above the parapet and actually make a name for yourself as an MP, I think. [Angry giggle] I'm still so angry about the previous lady. I am a compassionate person and appreciate that there are lots of starving children throughout the world, but it does concern me that we are sending all this foreign aid and yet somebody in Riven's situation can't get a couple hour's respite a week ... "
There was a discussion about how many nappies Riven Vinent gets a day. Victoria Derbyshire thought it will soon be 6, but Riven says NO, it is only four. Jack Lopresti MP says he will help Riven get her the nappies she needs. (Did he know when he entered politics that he would be falling over himself on some tabloid radio show to get nappies for the likes of Riven Vincent? I doubt it. Another effeminate modern politician with no concept of masculine pride.)
Show ends.
A woman did call in and agree with me on the day, I seem to remember, but this was left out on this link, no doubt due to deliberate PC BBC censorship to make me look bad and mad and alone in my views.
Lots of people got in touch with me later to say they agreed with me. Some of them were even ex-Labour supporters.
Victoria Derbyshire:
"Celyn has quadriplegic cerebral palsy and epilepsy and cannot walk, talk or sit up, and she is also blind."
From 26th minute onwards.
CK:
I have three questions for her ...
VC:
Why don't we start with one and see how we get on?
CK:
All right then. I was wondering if Riven knew before Celyn was born that she should be severely disabled?
RV:
No, I didn't. She was brain-damaged at birth.
CK:
At birth: I am sorry to hear that. I suppose the question that is probably on everyone's mind is this: what are the benefits for the taxpayer in continuing to support the burdensome and unproductive existence of Celyn who will never lead a normal productive life, who is also ruining the childhoods of her healthy and normal brothers and sisters?
RV:
Well, I kind of hope we live in a civilised society where we take care of our vulnerable members whether elderly or disabled people. Celyn is actually quite bright so she is one of those disabled people who should she live to 18 there is no reason why she shouldn't get a job ...
CK:
[Spluttering at the thought of some unfortunate employer being compelled to take Celyn on as an employee who is blind and cannot walk, talk or sit up] But, but you said she can't even move!
RV:
[Patronisingly] No ... Stephen Hawkings [sic] can't move either. He's doing quite well ...
CK:
[Incredulous at the idea of a child who is blind, who cannot walk, talk or sit up being the next theoretical physicist and cosmologist and how no one even thought of contradicting this mother's delusion] Does she go to school?
RV:
She goes to school. She goes to a mainstream school ...
CK:
[Horrified at the idea of what Celyn's classmates must have to endure] And she can talk?
RV:
She talks, she uses a computer just like Stephen Hawkings [sic] does.
CK:
It seems unlikely that she will ... [trails off] The trouble with these things is that the more you support these things there more it happens and the more people will be asking for money and the more burdened the taxpayer be and we know the coffers are empty. The country's in debt and people will always want money for their stuff and it's other people's money.
VR:
Do you not want your taxes to help pay for Riven Vincent to look after her little girl at home?
CK:
Well, it's just that there are so many of these demands from mothers wanting this and wanting that and there needs seem to be unlimited and what there is actually in the kitty is very limited and we must now prioritise how we spend our money and think about the future.
Jack Lopresti MP:
Can I come in there? Is Claire for real? Claire do you actually have any children?
CK:
Yes.
JL:
You do? Well, I find what you have to say absolutely staggering, I have to say.
LIZ:
I can't believe ... I almost can't speak I'm so angry. Does this lady think maybe disabled people should be put down?
CK:
It depends on the degree of disability.
RV:
Oh my God. So you think that someone who is really disabled should be put down? Are we talking Nazi [inaudible]?
CK:
If I had a severely disabled child or knew I was about to have one I wouldn't impose it on the taxpayer and expect other people to pay for all the expensive equipment that it needs ...
VD:
So what would you do, Claire, out of interest? If you gave birth and the child ...
CK:
I would have an abortion.
VD:
No, no, if you gave birth and the child as in Riven's case was severely brain damaged during the birthing process. What would you do once the child was born?
CK:
I would ... [dramatic pause] ... reject it.
[Gasps of horror]
LIZ:
Are you related to Adolf Hitler?
CK:
I've heard that one before.
RV:
I believe we live in a civilised society ....
CK:
What is a civilised society? What does it mean? Surely we want to live in a rational society where our taxes are not wasted?
RV:
When you're old and frail ....
VD:
Claire! I'd like to ask a question, Claire. So in that situation the child would be given for adoption, yes?
CK:
Well, I wouldn't ... [trails off] I think it is unfair to pass it on like a parcel because I don't want to deal with it ...
VD:
What would happen?
CK:
I believe in the old days midwives would [interrupted by VD, but CK would have gone on to say "disposed of it for me".]
VD:
We are in 2011 now. What would happen to the child you rejected?
CK:
I don't know what the procedure is ...
VD:
Well, it would be adoption, so in your world, it would be a burden on the taxpayer.
CK:
Well, yes, yes ... [bottling out of saying that she would reluctantly have to commit infanticide]
RV:
Would you have put Stephen Hawkings [sic] down? He cost the taxpayer a great deal of money with his 24 hour care.
CK:
Well, I don't see that any of his theories actually help humanity much. I mean, what is the Superstring theory about?
LIZ:
What do you do? What do you do to help humanity?
CK:
I'd like to point out these anomalies in these situations were taxpayers' money is being wasted, day after day ...
LIZ:
[Shouting over CK even as she is answering the question] WHAT DO YOU DO TO JUSTIFY YOUR EXISTENCE ON THIS EARTH?
CK continues:
and you have cowardly politicians saying "Yes, yes, I'll give you anything just give me your vote and I'll continue to waste of taxpayers' money."
LIZ:
[Shouting] WHAT DO YOU DO TO JUSTIFY YOUR EXISTENCE ON EARTH?
CK:
I write and I point out these things that are wrong
VD [in an aside, with just a hint of pleasure and pride to have Claire Khaw on her show]:
It's Claire Khaw!
CK continues:
... and speak up for the taxpayer, that's what I'm on about.
VD:
Let's bring Liz in here.
LIZ:
Celyn's disability is not in her mind, like yours clearly is. Claire, I can't believe your attitude. I think it is totally uncivilised and totally disgusting.
JL:
Absolutely!
RV:
Me too!
VD:
Go ahead, Liz.
LIZ:
I'm apoplectic. I cannot believe that in the 21st century we have people with those sorts of views. The reason I got in contact with the programme is that a lot of people are missing the point in that Riven herself is disabled, so not only are we talking her having to look after her a disabled child, but she is disabled herself. I must say Jack Lopresti sounds like a waste of space. He's just toeing the party line. You can go on at the local authority until you are blue in the face, but you need to put your head above the parapet and actually make a name for yourself as an MP, I think. [Angry giggle] I'm still so angry about the previous lady. I am a compassionate person and appreciate that there are lots of starving children throughout the world, but it does concern me that we are sending all this foreign aid and yet somebody in Riven's situation can't get a couple hour's respite a week ... "
There was a discussion about how many nappies Riven Vinent gets a day. Victoria Derbyshire thought it will soon be 6, but Riven says NO, it is only four. Jack Lopresti MP says he will help Riven get her the nappies she needs. (Did he know when he entered politics that he would be falling over himself on some tabloid radio show to get nappies for the likes of Riven Vincent? I doubt it. Another effeminate modern politician with no concept of masculine pride.)
Show ends.
A woman did call in and agree with me on the day, I seem to remember, but this was left out on this link, no doubt due to deliberate PC BBC censorship to make me look bad and mad and alone in my views.
Lots of people got in touch with me later to say they agreed with me. Some of them were even ex-Labour supporters.
