Ed West: Why conservatives have lost almost every political argument since 1945

0:27
Bunty McCunty
​Why the entrenched class system has lost every political argument since 1945? That makes no sense whatsoever.

2:27
Kit
​The Left embrace 'by any means necessary' and 'the ends justify the means'. The Conservatives are very naive in comparision. The idea of 'moral victory' as they lose explains a lot.

2:36
888rogermoore
​Just look at the Catholic Church

4:30
Elizabeth Blackwell
​Not sure I agree. Conservatism is the dominant politics of the modern world. Even when conservatives are not in power, conservative ideas and policies set the shape of society and the economy.

4:37
Elizabeth Blackwell
​Even left wing governments uphold the fusion of disruptive capitalism and social traditionalism ergo conservative.

6:54
William H
​I think when you're a 30+ conservative you don't argue with young lefties. because, we used to be them and we know there's no point arguing with them

9:53
British LA
​I wonder how much art and creativity will be permitted under sharia law. by hyper moralizing western life and politics the left may destroy western civilisation.

10:38
Claire Khaw
​Conservatism was always Theocracy Lite and was created as a defence against the ideas of the French Revolution. A merely defensive ideology will not protect your society.

12:10
Claire Khaw
​@ Michele P Nigel Farage still class himself a Classical Liberal, doesn't he?

13:07
Claire Khaw
​@Bunty McCunty Conservatism is not up to the job of fighting feminism and Cultural Marxism.

13:47
Jean de Valette
​@William H The Reformation is only conveniently retrofitted as 'conservative' by conservative evangelicals in AmericaIn truth Catholics were the conservatives in the Reformation. See: St. Thomas More

14:06
Claire Khaw
​@Kit Conservatism is just not up to the job because it was always a defensive ideology against the ideas of the French Revolution. Conservatism was really Theocracy Lite.

14:33
Claire Khaw
​Conservatism = being middle class and having gone to a good school. Such people will always be in the minority.

14:52
Claire Khaw
​@888rogermoore Christianity is kaput.

14:54
Bunty McCunty
​@Claire Khaw -- I don't think it needs to be. I think those things are fetishised by a tiny minority of loudmouths, while people are inherently conservative. See the last election results.

14:56
Jean de Valette
​Oh ffs Clare. Spare us your Marxist University bollocks, please

15:00
M. Allan
​i miss Roger Scruton

15:07
British LA
​conservativism is founded on faith, family and the nation state. pure and simple.

15:26
Claire Khaw
​@Elizabeth Blackwell What are the Conservative ideas you can think of? It was a Conservative Prime Minister who legalised gay marriage.

15:57
Claire Khaw
​@Elizabeth Blackwell "Even left wing governments uphold the fusion of disruptive capitalism and social traditionalism ergo conservative." No idea what you are trying to say.

16:12
Jean de Valette
​Ed West talking bollocks on tidy desks meaning conservatism.

16:13
William H
​jean, I'll look at that. I thought the issue was the church had become corrupt and Luther tried to re ignite some truth

16:25
Claire Khaw
​@William H Who do you argue with?

17:27
Claire Khaw
​@British LA Secular Koranism is a New School of Sharia that has no intention of not permitting art and creativity. By the way, I have met Ed West.

17:45
British LA
​conservatism is dependent on a deep knowledge of history and cultural heritage. the modern, liberal, reactionary conservatives have effectively become the new Whigs.

17:48
Claire Khaw
​@Nick Garrott Kindly explain the difference.

18:15
WELLBRAN
​we need a whole new system left right thing does not work anymore westminster is disfunctional

18:21
Claire Khaw
​@Jean de Valette Yes, he is talking bollocks. I should be invited on New Culture Forum, but you can check out both my channels.

19:38
Claire Khaw
​Conservatism and Christianity are both kaput.

19:46
Curtis Loftis
​A huge difference between the left and right: the left hires its people-for every job. The right does little of this. It creates a massive Left presence in every entity of influence.

19:51
William H
​I don't know about America religious movements. I don't know how interesting that is

19:53
Jean de Valette
​Ed West would "love not to be conservative"? Ed West is not conservative, so he needn't worry.

20:11
Crystal J
​@Claire Khaw Christianity kaput!!!!! lol...watch this space! 😉

20:27
Curtis Loftis
​America is post Christian

20:52
Claire Khaw
​@Nick Garrott Why don't you appear on my channel to tell me how and why I am a moron?

21:33
Claire Khaw
​@M. Allan What does my husband think about what and why should you care if I have a husband, let alone what he thinks?

22:18
M. Allan
​Claire im just poking fun. relax

22:18
Claire Khaw
​@Crystal J Watch both my channels on why Christianity is kaput. Ed West's mama is Irish Catholic.

23:05
Crystal J
​@Claire Khaw catholicism and Christianity not necessarily the same thing!!! My RESURRECTED leader and king aint finished yet!!

23:16
Claire Khaw
​@M. Allan Unlike the New Testament, there is nothing in the Koran saying women should be quiet either in mosque or anywhere else.

23:43
Curtis Loftis
​In America, Christians gave their children to the Leftwing school/university system to be educated. They came out agnostic.

23:51
Claire Khaw
​@Crystal J Christianity includes Catholicism and saying Christianity is kaput implicitly means Catholicism is also kaput.

24:23
Crystal J
​@Claire Khaw they are 2 different things ....

25:00
Claire Khaw
​@Curtis Loftis Christianity is kaput and democracy is dementia. I am the only political commentator prepared to say this again and again and again.

25:08
Curtis Loftis
​The right just gave the institutions of cultural and political power...they did so as the leaders of the right were making lots of money. the right was sold out...

26:24
M. Allan
​Diversity, disaster.

26:32
Claire Khaw
​@Crystal J You don't appear to have noticed that Christ is deceased or are you an idolater who worships an executed revolutionary as the co-equal of the supreme and eternal Abrahamic God?

26:57
Curtis Loftis
​Christianity as a political force is kaput (sadly to me). Democracy follows culture so our brand is not helpful, but thankfully, there are not a lot of competitors in that arena

27:31
Curtis Loftis
​But Christianity is alive in well in certain groups.

27:51
Claire Khaw
​@New Culture Forum Channel How likely are you to invite me on your channel to explain my proposal for a one party theocracy governed by the principles of Secular Koranism?




2:00  Because of the decline of Christianity, the default religion of university educated women is leftism.

3:00  "Democracy is against Conservatism." Democracy is dementia.

5:00  Comedy is now university-educated comedians sneering at the lower middle class ie people who have not their opportunities.

10:00  Brexit, Nationalism and the Reformation

11:00  Catholic identity was stronger than national identity.

11:30  Political tribalism in America. It is really more fundamental: Patriarchy v Matriarchy. Yin v Yang. The eternal battle of the sexes is being played out in the Western political establishment. Only I know where the battlelines really are.

12:00  The distinction between religion and politics is a distinction without a difference.

13:00  Conservatism as a political philosophy as well as a state of mind

19:00  Ed West was too gutless to accept a very well paid job at Breitbart being offered by Steve Bannon. What a shame he won't offer me a job. Did his wife put her foot down then?

23:00  "Social proof" and cultural values

25:00  Diversity

26:00  Repurposing stories

28:00  Dominic Cummings

30:00  BBC licence fee

31:00  "Gentleness of Conservatism"

Is Ed West more or less depressing than Peter Hitchens, who it seems has been hired specially to demoralise Conservatives? 

More arrant nonsense by Ed West though his heart's in the right place

I will admit that I resent Ed West for being paid to write his incoherent rubbish, while my clarity and boldness are deliberately ignored by a cowed and cowardly liberal media.

West has told us not to blame Islam for our problems, but takes great care to balance it out with the usual half-truths and would please the typical Telegraph reader, who are just a more sophisticated version of the Islamophobic Mail reader, but with a wider vocabulary.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/edwest/100147680/how-islam-became-a-scapegoat-for-the-problems-of-immigration/

Let me go through the passages one by one and tell you the ways in which I find his reasoning flawed.

Conservatism’s obsession with Islam is partly a reaction to multiculturalism, which holds that all religions are basically the same. This is untrue, as anyone with even a middling understanding of history can appreciate: the current moral order that emerged from the West, the world of the Enlightenment, the UN and human rights, stems from Christianity. No other religion could have produced it – not Islam, Hinduism or Buddhism, because none have Christianity’s concept of the individual. Christianity is essentially a union of Hellenic and Hebrew civilisations, the greatest marriage that ever took place.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoners_of_war_in_Islam

What has clearly  happened is that the West plagiarised from Islam and then forget where it had got most of its goodies from eg the university.

When Ed West gets off his high horse of cultural chauvinism and ventures to read the Koran he may one day acknowledge this fact.

Islam improved upon Judaism and Christianity and then itself slowly lost its marbles the way the West is losing them now.   It seems that all civilisations become likes this after a brief spell of imperialism and affluenza.  The US constitution is being flouted and, though it is much shorter than the Koran, the big fat stupid yanks have not noticed.  If they have noticed they do not care.  If they care they do not know who to vote for to remedy the situation.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Perpetual-War-Peace-Hated-ebook/dp/B003B0W1US/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1333120697&sr=8-1 details the examples of the US government flouting its own constitution in rather the same way that Muslims do not read their own holy book because they are too busy stuffing their faces, getting laid, watching TV, going shopping etc.

Islam, in contrast, lacks not just Western concepts of the individual but also Christianity's historic separation of the state and religion. There is also no doubt that Islam has a very ambiguous attitude to violence in its name.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quran_and_violence

Clearly, the religion of Peace and War were not as hypocritical as Christianity in pretending that Christians never go to war, divorce their spouses, take slaves or run brothels.   It did not pretend that these things never happened with Muslims, and had instead acknowledged the existence such practices in order to regulate it, unlike the hypocritical Christians, who pretended to be so holier than thou that they were somehow above it all.   While they were busily pretending that Christians never go to war, divorce their spouses take slaves or run brothels, all sorts of terrible abuses took place.  

There is a reason why Christianity and Hypocrisy are so often associated like Horse and Carriage and go hand in hand.

Muslims certainly don't go around destabilising and invading other people's countries to rob them of their oil while pretending it is for their own good and for the sake of human rights

The reason why the Church had to be separated from the State was because Christianity was such a stupid vicious totalitarian religion that the Europeans only became civilised after they started ignoring most of it.

I bet Ed didn't know you could lose your job just for denying the Trinity until as recently as 1813.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity_Act_1813

I bet he has no idea what the Trinity is either.   Most Christians don't.   The Nicene creed is something their priests get them to repeat, stupidly and uncomprehendingly, at church services.

They do not tell them that if they don't really believe that Christ is also God Himself, they are not Christians and would go to HELL.  This is because the Anglican Church just wants bums on pews.

If you spoke to a non-Western Christian, they would understand the bargain better, because they would proclaim to you: "Christ is Lord, Christ is Lord!"   They would have been told that they if they do not believe this they would go to hell.  Clearly, you cannot say this sort of thing to some liberalised feminist Westerners and still expect them to turn up to church, so they don't talk about this sort of thing these days.

Guess what, Ed?  Islam denies the Trinity.   Bet Ed didn't know that either.

But it affirms the Virgin Birth.   Why, Ed, why?   Cos it is schmoozing the Christians and going half way to meet them.

As for the separation of Church and State that Westerners think is so clever and civilised, this needed to be done in order to stop totalitarian Christian dogma from contaminating Western thought and dragging it back into the Dark Ages again.

It would be fine to infuse the UK legal system with Koranic principles, as far as I am concerned.  This is because the Koran is good enough to be interpreted literally.  

No, no, no, Ed would cry.   But which verse in the Koran do you find so objectionable?  To this I expect a silence, because you can be sure that Ed has not read the Koran, no, not even The Koran for Dummies.

I haven't read it myself, but it might be a good substitute for people who haven't read the Koran and are too scared to 

Since he has not read the Koran he will know nothing about 2:256 either - "There is no compulsion in belief."  (This means that there should be no totalitarian thoughtcrime legislation, by the way.   Does Ed know of any totalitarian thoughtcrime legislation?  I doubt he would recognise it even if it came up to him and spat in his face.)

http://www.cmje.org/religious-texts/quran/verses/002-qmt.php

The huge movements of recent years have made Islam and Christianity an anchor of identity to people in Europe. The EDL are essentially a Christianist group, but the sentiments behind sectarianism and nationalism are the same. One cannot blame sectarianism on religion any more than one can blame nationalism on language – it just is. (It’s not as if the Shankill butchers were forever discussing Calvin and Luther on their nights out.)

I have no idea what he is trying to say here.  Does anyone?  The EDL is a "Christianist" Party?  What the fuck does that mean?  Is he saying the EDL are regular church-goers?   http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Christianist  If so, I have news for him.

As Christopher Caldwell once put it: “Islam is a magnificent religion that has also been, at times over the centuries, a glorious and generous culture. But, all cant to the contrary, it is in no sense Europe’s religion and in no sense Europe’s culture.”

Neither was Christianity part of Europe's culture, once upon a time, when Ancient Britons painted themselves blue and worshipped pagan deities.

Who is this Caldwell person that West quotes with such reverence?  I looked him up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Caldwell

Caldwell's 2009 book Reflections on the Revolution In Europe has been accused of stoking Islamophobia, or what The Guardian refers to as a "culture of fear"

Another confused and incoherent piece, just like the last one I took apart at http://thevoiceofreason-ann.blogspot.co.uk/2011/08/why-are-british-men-kneeling-before.html.  What a shame I cannot have this job.  The Telegraph is too scared to hire me, probably, though I guarantee that its readers will be much better informed and clearer thinkers if I became a Telegraph blogger.

Perhaps the Telegraph Editor Tony Gallagher will have a look at my blogs to see if I am the kind of writer his readers would enjoy.

http://thebattlefieldoflove.blogspot.co.uk/2012/01/my-submission-for-2012-orwell-prize-for.htm has my entries that did not make the Orwell Prize longlist because Suzanne Moore hates me.

Why does she hate me?

http://thevoiceofreason-ann.blogspot.co.uk/2012/01/orwell-prize-left-wing-cabal-who-are.html explains.

Anti-Slut Campaign in Paedo Bastard Britain Slutland after the riots

"Don't howl Starkey down. Gangsta culture is a poison spreading among youths of all races"
(For 'gangsta culture' read 'SLUT SINGLE MUM culture')

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2026053/David-Starkey-Gangsta-culture-poison-spreading-youths-races.html


I am already known for being the victim of a BNP single mum with disabled children who got the Chairman to expel me from the party by kicking up a fuss when I pointed out to her that eugenics had always been discreetly practised before the welfare state and asked her why it was not her fault when she became a single mum after she was impregnated by a violent criminal who was not her husband. I am also known for challenging the likes of Ed West (whom I believe may have sired illegitimate children and is refusing to marry their mother),  Norman Wells of Family Youth Concern who persist in calling a spade a spatula and who tells me that his organisation is not in the business of bashing single mums.  (If it is not in the business of bashing single mums and feel thoroughly ashamed of themselves, then what the hell is his organisation for?  He could not answer, nor would he tell me what he thought was the preventing his organisation from being more successful because he would have had to use the dreaded F word - FEMINISM.)

Most important and egregious of all are those in the Tory Party such as Theresa Twat May and Cunt Cameron who have betrayed the principles of Conservatism and encouraged, as long ago as 2002, slut single mothers to breed at taxpayers' expense.

My sacrifice is already known. I refuse to cower before the worst of women and the worst of people. So all I have to do now is challenge them into having a public debate. Patience and persistence, not disorderly retreat and unprincipled apologies to the stupid, promiscuous, irresponsible and arrogant, who do not deserve it.

If I can count on the support of this rare group of people called right-thinking members of society - even if it is a grudging "I agree with her views though not with her choice of words"- then things can be taken further.

But I already know that scummy, emasculated, cowardly and hypocritical educated white middle class men will be too fearful of incurring the wrath of the feminazis. In this matter only the Muslims dare challenge feminism while the Jews, Christians and even the BNP cower before the slut single mum who multiply like cancer cells and turn their civilisation into the degraded degenerate demented stinking mess that it is Paedo Bastard Britain Slutland.  (Yes, feminism causes paedophilia too.)

Not even the BNP - can you believe that? Not even an ORTHODOX Rabbi will say anything against slut single mums encouraged by successive governments to breed at the expense of the taxpayer.

The Jews behave like cunning manipulative women who prevaricate and don't show their hand on account of their being a despised and persecuted minority while Christianity is the religion of slaves and women, and we cannot expect much from those with the mentality of slaves and whose heads are stuffed with feminine preoccupations and sensibilities, can we?

I can therefore only count on the Muslims now to support me in this, it would appear.  The Koran after all commands them to man up and enjoin what is good and forbid what is evil, but will they be too Westernised and Anglilcised and therefore too feeble-minded and feeble-spirited by now to do even this?

We can only wait and pray and see.   It was after all the Muslim community - the ones who had all the shops to loot - who suffered the most.  Whites are now as scummy mummily single-parented as blacks, these days, and that was really the point that David Starkey was trying to make.  Three of their brave young men got mown down by CHAV bastard scum the spawn of slut single mums.   Will they at least challenge feminism?  After all, they now live here and ought to care what happens to this society, if only out of self-interest.

Over to you, Muslim Council of Britain and Association of British Muslims.  

Why British men are kneeling before their deity of the slut single mum, fearful of blaspheming against feminism and female promiscuity, propitiating her with a sexual favour in an attempt to take her wrath away ...

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/edwest/100100485/the-riots-remind-us-that-polygamous-societies-are-naturally-violent/

Ed West's egregiously confused blog post is probably testament to the fact that he is so afraid of the feminazis getting him that he has confused the matriarchy with polygamy in his nervousness.  To be polygamous, one has to take be able to legally take more than one wife, not impregnate more than one woman.  That should ahve been quite obvious to an educated man like him, but, strangely and sadly, Ed West affects not to notice this or really cannot understand the difference himself. Possibly, Telegraph readers these days are now to feminised and dumbed-down themselves to notice any errors of reasoning.

In a matriarchy, it pays women to be promiscuous.  In a matriarchy, extra-marital sex is condoned and even rewarding for the woman.  The man who has sex with a woman to whom he is not marred is deemed to want to pay for any bastard he sires even if it is quite clear that he wished no such thing.  A man who has sex with a woman not his wife who indicates that she is prepared to have no-strings sex with him simply wants to have sex, not make a baby with her and pay for it until it is 16 or until it has finished full-time education.

A woman who has sex with a man thinking he wants to pay for any offspring sired as a result of that union is arguably an imbecile, and imbeciles should be spayed for the greater good so that the national gene pool is not contaminated by imbecility, one would have thought.

But liberals are hardly known for the rationality of their thinking processes these days.  Most of the time  cannot even explain their bizarre behaviour to themselves, much less to their critics and challengers.  Indeed, it is all they can do to repeat their mindless mantra of indiscriminate compassion and endless tolerance of everything that  is harmful to society.

It is therefore no surprise that the women who go forth and multiply and bring forth illegitimate offspring - the bastard spawn of stupid sluts (a pleonasm like tuna fish) - turn out to be depraved, degraded and criminal who enjoy a spot of looting, arson, assault and murder whenever the opportunity allows.

What is surprising is really the effeminate and neurotic cowardice of the educated white middle class British male, who fear to criticise the slut single mum - apart from the noble exception of Kevin Myers based in Belfast at http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/opinion/columnists/kevin-myers/how-our-race-taboo-makes-us-colourblind-to-the-truth-16035253.html.  This is probably because he fears his female friends and relations who are also single mums and perhaps his male friends and family who were singly-parented.

Strangely and sadly, Norman Wells of the charity Family Education Trust http://www.famyouth.org.uk/ that was set up for the purpose of promoting family values supported by marriage declared to me on 16 August 2011 that his organisation does not exist to "bash single mums".  What on earth is it for then, when so many commentators like Ed West are so deeply fearful of offending the slut single mum who spawns bastards at taxpayers' expense?

It is possible that Ed West fears to denounce them because he has not married the mother of his illegitimate children because he sees no need to do so, rather like Ed Miliband, never found the time and inclination to do so until he became leader of the Labour Party.

Ed West may fear his 'common law wife' or a feminazi superior at the Telegraph, but what excuse has Norman Wells got for not doing his job properly?  What excuse has he got for fearing the slut single mum who is encouraged to breed by successive governments at taxpayers' expense?   There are after all plenty of organisations that say they promote family values supported by marriage, but dare not go the whole hog of condemning feminism and Never Married Single Mothers ("NMSMs").  They skirt around the issues and beat about the bush, talking in their mealy-mouthed way about 'absent fathers'  and such abstract ideas as 'parenting', 'discipline' that are beyond the wit of dumbed-down inhabitants of Paedo Bastard Britain Slutland to grasp unless demonstrated in parenting classes at the further expense of the taxpayer, content that they they have written the requisite number of words even if none of them criticise the slut single mum who breeds bastards at taxpayers' expense.

Perhaps the sheer numbers of sluts and bastards in Britain is alone enough to emasculate and feminise men like Norman Wells and Ed West.  If so, the prognosis is very bleak indeed.  It means that the cancer has spread to all the major organs - the balls and the guts - and has now reached the brain.

The patient is therefore terminal and funerary arrangements ought to be made now, for the stinking rotten body of liberal feminism that will soon be consigned to oblivion and his illegitimate offspring pauperised, disgraced, taken to the orphanage, later to be sexually exploited and enslaved by an uncaring 'carer'.

Paedo Bastard Britain Slutland with its cowardly new race of feral and feminised men, skint, scared and stupid, should therefore prepare themselves for the new New Age in which Tomorrow most certainly does NOT belong to them.