Does the Archbishop of Canterbury think the state religion of Britain is PC Libtardism?

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/apr/04/african-christians-church-of-england-gay-marriage-justin-welby

African Christians will be killed if C of E accepts gay marriage, says Justin Welby

Archbishop says he has seen mass grave of Christians killed by neighbours who said they feared being 'made to become gay'

Friday 4 April 2014

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/12/homophobia-not-tolerated-schools-church-england

Homophobia must not be tolerated in schools, Church of England says

Archbishop of Canterbury says church schools must not turn 'a convenient blind eye to institutional homophobia'

Monday 12 May 2014


Is it possible that the Archbishop of Canterbury in May has forgotten what he said in April?

Is it possible that the Archbishop of Canterbury does not know that the nicer white people are to their gay people the nastier black people will be to their gay people?

Is it possible that the Archbishop of Canterbury doesn't care really about African Christians being murdered for adhering to the faith that is perceived to be the faith of white people known to want to promote gay marriage worldwide?  http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/07/25/gay-marriage_n_3651435.html

Is the Archbishop of Canterbury really not aware that the both the Bible and the Koran are "homophobic"?

Does the Archbishop of Canterbury really think that Christianity is PC Libtardism and that it is his job to promote PC Libardism?

Does the Archbishop of Canterbury believe that people who think of themselves as Christians are too stupid and illiterate to read the Bible and discover for themselves that the Bible and the Koran are definitely "homophobic"?

Can there be any doubt at all that the Archbishop of Canterbury is a creature of the PC Libtard state? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/10828762/Archbishop-of-Canterbury-Justin-Welby-says-gay-marriage-is-great.html

Is the way the Church of England has liberalised itself the way forward for the Catholic Church?

Is Christianity fit for the purpose of maintaining the morals of its adherents when its corrupt clergy is now but a mouthpiece for the matriarchal governments of the degenerate West?

Can there be any doubt that the Church is more interested in putting as many filthy rotten stinking bums on its rotten pews so it can say its numbers are increasing than in fulfilling its purpose of maintaining moral standards through preaching the morality of the Bible?

Can you see the efficacy of the Koran which relies on its principles to be translated into law, and the corruptible and corrupt Christian clergy who will say black is white as long as they continue to derive an income from the Church they claim to serve but whose teachings they actually subvert?

What do you think the Catholic Church is doing when the Pope says he is cool with gay marriage and SSMs?

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Should-Spinster-Single-Mothers-be-lashed-100-times/417696111659379?fref=ts

http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/news/2013/09/06/single-mother-says-her-heart-is-filled-with-joy-after-call-from-pope-francis/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2577366/Pope-Francis-stop-condemning-sex-civil-partnerships-hints-leading-cardinal-step-Catholic-gay-marriage.html

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Should-the-Pope-convert-to-Islam/141277252691901

Is the Muslim-Christian Forum an instrument of PC Libtardism?

http://www.christianmuslimforum.org/

Julian Bond - Director

Julian Bond has been Director of the Christian Muslim Forum since its launch in 2006. 

Before joining the Forum Julian studied Theology and Education at the Universities of Wales and Gloucestershire. After a very brief spell as a Prep School teacher he joined HM Revenue & Customs, with positions in audit, information systems and management consultancy.  However, a Civil Service career was excitingly and unexpectedly interrupted by a two year secondment to the Archbishop of Canterbury’s Initiative in Christian-Muslim Relations in 2002. Many years of Civil Service training and experience came into their own as he planned and organised conversations and reflections with Christians and Muslims around the country. He was co-author of the inspiring report of these‘Listening Exercises’ which proposed, in July 2004, that the Archbishop support the creation of a national Christian Muslim Forum.

Julian is passionate about improving relations between Christians and Muslims in the UK and beyond. ‘Our religions do not encourage us to be negative about each other. I am excited by the track record and future potential of the Christian Muslim Forum in creating opportunities to meet, understand and find new ways of living and working together, inspired by a vision of radical friendship.’

Julian Bond is more a Liberal Democrat than a Christian. Such a person would regard the right to have extramarital sex between consenting adults as more important than any moral precept that Abrahamic faiths might promote, ie marriage, which must necessarily and logically mean the prohibition of extramarital sex. http://bogpaper.com/the-liberal-party-a-haven-for-sexual-perverts/

He has already blocked me on Facebook and Twitter and behaves as if the right of consenting adults to have extramarital sex has been won for all time and that there is nothing further be said on the matter.  He also deleted a rather interesting exchange we had on the subject.

Claire Khaw Why would you object to following God's laws, if you do indeed believe in God?

Julian Bond Yes, I believe the Nicene Creed, what is your opinion of it. You previously mentioned God, not God's laws ( whatever they may be). What is the relevance of God's laws (maybe especially for an atheist) in this discussion and in England and Wales, especially when laws were given to Moses for a different people group?

Claire Khaw Both Muhammad and I have agreed that all the Abrahamic faiths have the same moral precepts and these precepts it is your intention to ignore and marginalise, it seems.

Tom Short Claire sorry to interrupt but God is not a governmental controlled product or anything in the likes of that. Yes most of the societal laws that exist are developed from religious laws because they have a good benchmark but in no law does it state that you have to believe in God to obey the law. The laws of man are just that the laws of man. In the monotheistic religions they have all stated that we are created in Gods image and Jesus stated to put love for others above laws.

Julian is one of the nicest Christians I know and if he chooses to take up Jesus' teachings above those of Law and Biblical law then he is proving to be one of the best Christians there are.

Tom Short Also Claire how can you be an atheist when you are proposing fusion of government and religion?

Julian Bond Claire, apart from standing against homophobia and appreciating the Archbishop's pastoral approach I don't think I have marginalised any 'law'.

The Christian Muslim Forum has not taken any position on anything to do with homosexuality.

Claire Khaw You don't have to believe in God to agree that the commandments Thou shalt not kill/commit adultery/steal/bear false witness make perfect sense.

To say you are not homophobic is taking a position on homosexuality. To say that you are is also taking a position on homosexuality. I suppose you could forbid the discussion of this subject, but that would be counter-productive and futile.

Julian Bond Claire, this discussion is on my own page, it is not a Christian Muslim Forum discussion. You're right though, as I said, I have my own personal opinion.

Claire Khaw The Bible and the Koran are clearly "homophobic" so it would appear that you are saying it is more important for you to be a Liberal Democrat than a Christian.

Perhaps subscribing to the Nicene creed allows any so-called believer to take any position that is obviously contrary to Bible while allowing him to plead his belief in the Trinity as his admission ticket to heaven, as long as he expresses remorse for his sins.

Tom Short And whilst I agree with that Claire those laws already exist but others like stoning someone to death for being raped for example is not one that should come into play. We are human and as such we should make laws that benefit all of man not just those who fear homosexuals with the rights to marry might then start to go for the straight people. Because that is rational. In a world that proclaims equal rights in all places but those countries that are not developed enough to have governing systems like we do I say that it should be equal all the time and all round.

Not a problem Julian you know what I am like by now.

Julian Bond Not sure why you're interested in political allegiance, why you think there might be only one 'true' Christian position ir what relevance it has to an atheist. I don't know what you mean by 'protection', I'm not aware of any.

Claire Khaw Only those who subscribe to Trinitarianism are Christian, and only Christians go to heaven. That is the whole point of this doctrine.

Everything else - good works, brave deeds etc - count for nothing.

          Julian Bond That's the protection? You seem to have more interest in it than I do!

Tom Short Jesus said to put love for all above the bibles laws. The whole reason of being a Christian is to follow Jesus's example not the Church. And the The Noble Qur'an has Jesus in it also so they too have the 'protection' to choose love. Muhammad never killed people instead tried to guide them if possible.

Claire Khaw You just have to say you are sorry for saying God is cool with being gay, and  Trinitarianism is a totalitarian doctrine. It is time Christians realised this. It was also the raison d'etre of the Inquisition.The Koran clearly and uncompromisingly denies the Trinity while affirming the Virgin Birth, which is interesting.  I am aware that Christians in the West never think of the Trinity, because they are not encouraged to do so. It is after all the Achilles heel of Christianity. If they think too much about it they would start doubting its "truth" and ask questions that if answered honestly and logically would end them up no longer being Christian once they can no longer say with any sincerity that they truly believe Christ is God Himself.

It is this doctrine that facilitates so much Christian hypocrisy and cant.

It is quite clear that being a Liberal Democrat is more important to you than being the kind of Christian that faithfully follows the will of God as stated in the Bible, and the Bible is in fact undeniably "homophobic".

You will of course insist that it is possible to be a gay marriage promoting Liberal Democrat *and* a Christian, because no one has dared to point out that this is in fact logically impossible, just like it is impossible for it to be both raining and not raining at the same time.

Tom Short Do you know how many sects there are in Islam and in Christianity? Each and every single one has a different doctrine to follow and each and every one follows what they believe to be right. The Orthodox church of the East has just as many sects as the trinitarian, Evangelical, Protestant and Catholics. The only one that would agree with what you are saying are the Puritans.

And yes the Qur'an does state that Jesus is another prophet not the son of God and yes it does affirm the Virgin birth but during the days of Jesus's birth and the times of Muhammed being a virgin was the terms for someone who was not married. I think it is safe to say that we have gone beyond the days of Constantine, the Puritans and the current lot of Extreme Muslims who wish to kill the gays.

What you are talking about does not compute with the religions overall message. There is as much hypocrisy in both. I wouldn't make a habit out of slandering Christians who wish evolve with the times and accept that people can be gay as well as straight.

No what you are proposing is impossible. There are too many religions in this country for your way to work. Too many people who have children out of wedlock. Too many atheists.

And of course the bible is homophobic the ones who wrote it were Roman Christians under the rule of Constantine.

Claire Khaw  The existence of sects is irrelevant to the existence of scripture, which undeniably expresses views about LGBT people that would now be considered "homophobic" by the 21st century libtard.

Since you are free-loving pagan, I am wondering how and why you think you can speak with more authority than any of us. We already know how little you respect the institution of marriage and that believe that it should be your sacred right to have sex with anyone anywhere anytime.

I am quite sure what I say does not compute with people of your ilk, who cannot understand how and why anyone should wish to question your sacred right to have sex with anyone anytime anywhere, but this is unfortunately what the Bible and Koran says, whether you like it or not.

Perhaps when you become dictator you can throw all these books on the scrapheap and burn them, dancing naked round the bonfire in the manner that pagans of old used to do.

While you worship sexual freedom, sexual licence and sexual incontinence, there are those of us who see the purpose of regulating our sexual desires and moral restraint, if you don't mind.

Perhaps before too much longer PC Libtards will force us all to be gay, paedophiles, corporophiliacs, practitioners of incest and bestiality as well as necrophiliacs, fornicators and adulterers. And then there will be heaven on earth, as people like you would see it. What I am proposing is perfectly possible in theory, though I am sure most of the sexual degenerates in Paedo Bastard Britain Slutland would rather go to hell in a handcart than contemplate giving up their sacred right to have extramarital sex. Revolutions, however, have been known to happen.

I am afraid all these Interfaith types in the Christian Muslim Forum in fact wield no power because no one listens to them. They are chosen to run these little groups precisely because they are unobjectionable little twerps who cannot possibly offend anyone and will toe whatever line is required of them to seem moderate and inclusive.  They also agree to run these little groups because they already know that only people like them will want to join their pointless little groups.  If Anjem Choudary and his lot turned up to one of their little interfaith meetings they would probably call the cops.

Will he call the cops if I turn up to his lunchtime meeting on 10 June in Whitechapel?  http://www.christianmuslimforum.org/index.php/calendar/forum-events?task=view_event&event_id=214  We will have to see, won't we?

Police attempt to intimidate David Jones and pay him a visit this morning

Dave Jones looking the very model of a modern nationalist councillor

Oh dear.  It seems that the Liberal Democrats are getting nervous and putting the frighteners on David Jones of Todmorden, councillor candidate.  Polling day 25 October 2012.

Dave in front of Todmorden Town Hall, looking councillor-like

DJ to CK 9:50:

Just had 3 police round with photo of us with rifles on EDL news page http://edlnews.co.uk/index.php/featured-stories/derek-fender-corner/721-election2012-neo-nazi-david-jones-explains-why-he-might-not-get-elected (printed out), Intelligence told them to 'have a quiet word' not kick my door in."

CK to DJ:

Wot did they say?

DJ to CK 9:57:

Looked at guns, asked when photo taken [It was taken in April and the photos first appeared at http://thevoiceofreason-ann.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/httpwww.html], "had a complaint, wanted to sort it quietly."  When I queried who it was, they motioned my leaflet and said "councillor?"

The tweets by Liberal Democrat MEP Rebecca Taylor are quite revealing.  Looks like the LibDems are pulling out all the stops in their organ of dirty tricks in an attempt to suggest that Dave is a Nazi nutter and would be a disgrace to the office of councillor if he were ever elected.

Rebecca Taylor ‏@RTaylor_MEP
@IMG_Calderdale people can and do change (evolve?) their political views over decades, but usually not in a matter of months.
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Actually, Rebecca, Dave told Jeffrey Marshall and me on our visit to Todmorden that he was considering "going civic" as long as a year ago before he met me.

We also bumped into your father Dr Michael Taylor on Friday evening canvassing with Joe Rez and another.  It was quite amusing the way he froze when he saw the three of us coming down the street after our country walk back into town.

The other thing that has to be said is that most of the locals stop to have a chat with Dave and he seems well-respected.   Would the locals be quite so friendly with Joe Rez, I wonder.

I must say too that Dave is a man of action and acts on ideas and doesn't just sit on new ideas for years and years and years the way lesser politicians and activists do, until they become old ideas.

We even visited  Abid Husain's shop on Saturday where he bought a lighter.   We all shook hands quite  amicably and discussed the floods.   I was interested to meet the man who seemed so cheerful even as he was telling the Today Programme about how he had to spend all night clearing up the mess left by the most recent flood.   There was something very charming about his resigned chuckle, I thought.  Abid is the Mayor of Todmorden.

Very sportingly Dave also took us on an Incredible Edible walk when Jeffrey Marshall and I praised the pretty fish and bee murals along the canal, which cannot have pleased Dave who wants them to "take their poly-tunnels with them" when they leave Todmorden, as he said in his leaflet. This was after we bumped into Helena Cook, an Incredible Edible, in the market and Dave challenged her about the "bee money".

The pretty fish mural by the Incredible Edibles

Helena and Dave spoke very civilly to each other and when she sang the praises of the things the Incredible Edibles have done for Todmorden and talked about the Bee Walk, I was intrigued and asked Dave to take us on that walk, which must have delighted Helena, who happily gave us directions.

Dave and me in front of the bee mural

Dave dislikes the Incredible Edibles because of their newfangled city ways of growing vegetables, I believe.  I am afraid I am not really familiar with the arguments about the Incredible Edibles and have have only the vaguest idea about what a poly-tunnel is.  

Rebecca Taylor ‏@RTaylor_MEP
@Jamesdbaker1 does the #Todmorden town council "independent" (kicked out of British People's Party) candidate have a gun license I wonder?
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Tories choose businesswoman PPC to beat UKIP businesswoman PPC

http://conservativehome.blogs.com/parliament/2012/09/tories-choose-local-businesswoman-christine-emmett-to-fight-corby-by-election.html

http://www.libdems.org.uk/press_releases_detail.aspx?title=Liberal_Democrats_select_Jill_Hope_as_candidate_for_Corby_and_East_Northamptonshire_by-election&pPK=f239b698-8b12-4a72-9d75-0bd811560c33

http://ukip.org/page/everyone-deserves-a-chance-says-margot

I suggest that the BNP treat these three boring female candidates as beneath their notice and concentrate their fire on the Labour man Andy Sawford.  This is really a fight between one kind of white man and another kind of white man.  Let us hope that Gordon Riddell is up to the job.  He seems to be if he is capable of getting nearly 10% of the vote in the recent local elections.

http://www.englishelections.org.uk/england/lby/eastmidlands/east.php

http://labourlist.org/2012/08/this-will-be-a-tough-election-for-labour-says-corby-ppc/

http://www.party.coop/person/andy-sawford/

I am perfectly happy to help them in Corby to field all the predictable accusations of racism, especially if they annul my expulsion.

I have been informed today that there appears to be "a campaign to get you back in the BNP".  I am not taking it too seriously, but if true, that is heartening indeed.

It would just be great to visit Corby to kick LibLabCon and UKIP ass with the BNP boys.   

The rightward shift of the British political landscape

In case this has escaped our notice, the political landscape is shifting very notieably to the "Right". The irony of Nick Clegg of all people talking about "savage" and "serious" cuts shows a commendable gesture to give people what they haven't had for a long time: a bit of honesty.

And then they go and spoil it all by proposing a property tax, a bit like death duties but payable in the property owner's lifetime. Then they spoke of withdrawing universal child benefit, but don't quite go the whole hog of withdrawing it for unmarried mothers to discourage feral parenthood.

Perhaps this is still a sign that the LibDems are seeing the light, even if it is through a glass darkly ...

The party that most convincingly proposes:

1) cuts in taxes
2) cuts in spending
3) cutting red tape

will win handsomely. Ideally, Lord Mandelson should lead such a party, and such a party would get away with proposing more spending cuts than the Tories. An opportunity not to be missed, but which I fear will be.

"Repeal ALL anti-discrimination legislation and end this race for Greater Victimhood!" or "Why I am thinking of voting Lib-Dem"

Gad, all these race discrimination actions brought by disgruntled Asian officers who didn't get their promotion!

One wonders if the police have time to catch any criminals, their time at work being mostly taken up by fretting about being racially discriminated against or being racially discriminatory towards one another.

Perhaps the reason why Ali Dezai didn't get his promotion despite getting top marks for all his exams was because his employers knew he would be a trouble-maker.

This was of course proven prescient in the light of his subsequent actions.

Perhaps the Met have every reason not to hire anyone who is not IC1, because of their higher statistical probability of suing for racial discrimination, which is disruptive to the workplace as well as socially-divisive.

It is very rare for anyone IC1 to sue for race discrimination. Sex discrimination, yes, but virtually all who sue employers claiming discrimination are women and wogs (if such a playful alliteration is still allowed). Is this (and the fact that they have a tendency to get pregnant even when unmarried, and use their sick children as an excuse to skive off work) not a compelling reason not to hire these groups of people?

Why, I might be hunted down and shot by the PC police just for suggesting this, but I will say it anyway.

I have no doubt that British society would be more cohesive and less litigious if all anti-discrimination legislation were repealed.

In its old Tyndalite days, the BNP were unashamed about their desire to repeal all anti-discrimination legislation. Now they seem to have pulled back from this, perhaps because they see the potential of claiming Greater Victimhood than the non-1C1s after decades of oppression suffered by them from the PC-liberal elite.

It is a great shame really, if British nationalism merely identifies itself with this modern manifestation of the slave mentality, that of Victimhood and Blaming Others - a womannish and proletarian trait.

I had once thought those who supported the BNP - however much they blamed the wrong people for their ills - had the courage of their convictions to brave being treated as social pariahs in the service of a nationalist ideal. This ideal was something to do with a peasant and instinctive antipathy towards PC liberalism and the concomitant desire to introduce more traditional policies favouring the family, as well as the condign punishment of criminals, or so I had thought.

Now, however, it does appear that all is lost. British nationalism is represented by an all-white cry for Greater Victimhood. If they have nothing more constructive to offer the electorate other than Greater Grievance, Greater Victimhood and the bribing of non-whites to go home at £50K per person, then they will fail in even these dubious objectives.

If this once-great country should be run by anyone, it should be by The Great and The Good, confident of their Greatness and Goodness.

Were it to be run by the ones who wish to represent The Least and the Worst, proud of the smallness of their minds and their tendency to vice and illegitimacy, what sort of standard would it set for the rest of the nation? Or indeed a loose federation of England, Scotland and Wales? (The BNP favour divisive devolution and an English Parliament, don't you know.)

At least the Lib-Dems (or should they now be called the Libertarian-Democrats?) are saying something populist that is also sensible. Nick Clegg should be congratulated for this bold repositioning of his party by offering us the option of lower taxes, unlike the contemptible and cowardly Conservatives.

Were he to dare go further on this Libertarian theme and propose the repeal of all anti-discrimination legislation, and take the UK out of the EU, he would have more than my vote. Let us hope he is power-hungry enough to take this risk.

For any Lib-Dems reading this, may I point out that there is nothing inherently anti-Liberal or undemocratic about repealing laws that favour litigious employees who should never have been hired.