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Showing posts with label Eddy Butler. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Eddy Butler. Show all posts

Monday, 29 January 2018

British nationalists and British nationalists who have converted to Islam

Q:  Would Eddy Butler consider Spanish reverts to Islam traitors or ethno-masochists even though Spain used to be under the rule of the Abbasid caliphate and had been an Islamic country for seven hundred years, which is greater than it has been Christian?

A:  Eddy Butler answers:

"Reverts is an expression used by Moslem freaks to describe anyone who converts. The original Spanish converts were mostly forced. So any new convert is an ethno masochist who probably suffers from mental problems."

Q:  Why does Eddy Butler think that it is mentally ill for an infidel to adopt Islam but mentally sane to adopt Christianity? 

A:  I'll ask him.

Q:  So if Eddy Butler thinks that new British Muslims are mentally ethno-masochists, then what does he think of the Muslim English Democrats candidate David Dawud Haslett?

A:  I'll ask him.

Q:  "So any new [Muslim] convert is an ethno masochist who probably suffers from mental problems."- 😂😂 Does Eddy not realise that Christianity conquered Spain after the Islamic era and forced everyone to convert and persecuted anyone who refused to be convert? Spanish Christians must be mentally ill.

A:  Eddy Butler answers:

"Spain was Christian. It was invaded by ethnic aliens with an alien religion and culture - Arab Moslems. They forcibly converted many inhabitants to Islam. Spain was reconquered for Western civilisation and became Christian again. North Western Europeans who voluntarily decide to convert are ethno masochists who almost certainly suffer from mental health issues. Also most of Spain was reconquered well before the final fall of Granada in 1492 - and a lot (perhaps most) Moslems were expelled, or should i say repatriated."

Q:  Under the Abbasids, Christians and Jews, despite some hardship were still allowed to practise their face, which came to show that the Muslims respected the local culture. The Catholic conquerors literally exterminated everyone who was not an affirming Christian which then led to the Inquisition.

A:  Eddy Butler answers:

"If you go back far enough obviously all of Europe was not Christian. Only a buffoon would think it remarkable to state that. However Christianity was not adopted via an ethnic alien invasion and was adapted to be suitable to the local population. Roman Spain would have had a very strong Christian component prior to the Germanic invasions."

Q:  Eddy does not realise that Spain was pagan before the Visgoths invaded who first imposed Arianism and then Catholicism, which persecuted Jews and Arians under Roderic- this is what led Julian of Ceuta to side with the Abbasids to overthrow King Roderic. Christianity was as an alien creed itself.

A:  Eddy Butler answers:

"If you go back far enough obviously all of Europe was not Christian. Only a buffoon would think it remarkable to state that. However Christianity was not adopted via an ethnic alien invasion and was adapted to be suitable to the local population. Roman Spain would have had a very strong Christian component prior to the Germanic invasions."

Q:  I think that Eddy Butler is seriously mentally ill, he just does not know how to think for himself, he is extremely biased and has a very autistic issue with people when they choose Islam as their new way of life. He needs help...Desperately!

A:  I'll pass this on.

Q:  Roman Spain would have had a very strong pagan heritage which was replaced by invading christianising Visgoths or imperialistic Romans importing a Middle Eastern Israelite cult called Christianity. Christianity was enforced but then adopted, Islam was enforced and then adopted too.

A:  OK

Q:  Does Eddy Butler not realise that the biggest mentally ill acts in our communities are not Islamic reversion but drug addiction, alcoholism, fornication, homosexuality, illegitimacy etc? Would he want his children to be drug addicted MCSF fornicators [Morally-Compromised Slut-Fuckers] or virgin reverts to Islam?

A:  Probably not to both questions.

Q:  Would Eddy Butler say that Napoléon Bonaparte was an ethno-masochist traitor for suggesting the creation of a European community based on Koranic principles?

A:  I would support a European Islamic Union governed by the principles of Secular Koranism.

Q:  Arthur Wagner, a member of the Alternative für Deutschland, has become a Muslim! https://www.thelocal.de/20180124/leading-member-of-far-right-afd-in-brandenburg-converts-to-islam/amp?__twitter_impression=true

A:  Eventually, the political landscape will be divided between those who are pro-theocracy (ie men and women who know that the preservation of civilised life depends on people who want to become the good parents of legitimate children and acknowledge the contribution good parents make to society) and those who are pro-feminist (ie unmarriageable men and women who have no intention or prospect of becoming parents of legitimate children and who won't even acknowledge that children are better off brought up by their two married parents living together).

Q:  So what will Eddy Butler and Mark Collett think of Arthur Wagner? Is he an ethno-masochist race traitor?

A:  Neither of them dare to discuss whether Western Man needs a religion now that they know Christianity is kaput.

Q:  Should Mark Collett and Eddy Butler not join the British Democratic Party?

A:  I will ask them.

Q:  Could you please ask Eddy and Mark what they think?

A:  About this question at https://ask.fm/oneparty4all/answers/146702958977?

Q:  No, could you please ask Mark and Eddy what they think about Arthur Wagner's reversion?

A:  Eddy Butler: "Clearly the german is mentally ill"

Q:  Why are Eddy and Mark Collett not members of the British Democratic Party?

A:  I'll ask them.

Q:  I still have not heard Eddy Butler's conclusion on David Haslett's reversion to Islam.

A:  He says he can't be bothered to answer the questions of cranks.

Q:  Interesting. Eddy can answer questions related to Arthur Wagner and Islamic Spain but remains silent on David Haslett.

A:  We can guess the reason, can't we?

Q:  By Eddy's logic, is Frank Forte a mentally ill ethno-masochist race traitor for converting to Buddhism?

A:  I think Eddy only feels threatened by Islam.

Q:  If Eddy Butler lived in 4th century Rome, which would he choose: remain a Roman pagan worshipping the Emperor as a divine incarnation and all the other gods or convert to the Middle Eastern Judaean cult, Christianity, worshipping Jesus/ Yeshua, the crucified King of Judaea as a divine incarnation?

Eddy Butler answers:

"I would be the God Emperor. The Divine Edward - the first Germanic Emperor."

Q:  So basically Eddy Butler would have rejected Christianity after all due to it being just a foreign ideology set to overthrow his might of rule. So there you have it, the Romans, Germanics and Greeks were ethno-masochist race traitors for abandoning paganism for Christianity.

A:  You make an excellent point.

It is the responsibility of the leader to choose a new moral system if the current one is kaput or not good enough compared to the rival peoples around you.

Q:  Eddy is a fool and hypocrite for condemning British Muslim reverts but not British Buddhist converts like Frank Forte. He says Christianity is part of our way of life even though right at the start he would have rejected Christianity as foreign and conversion as treason.

A:  He is rather unprincipled, I'm afraid. His politics is all about having the highest possible status and avoiding being seen to be on the margins. This is why he joined the English Democrats though I begged him not to, for the sake of his reputation. Converting to Islam would be seen by his associates as surrender to the enemy and it is for this reason only that he shows his hatred and contempt for Muslims. Nationalism unsupported by a belief in a deity is ignoble, unprincipled, immoral, degenerate, ignorant, arrogant, racist, anti-Semitic, hateful and, worst of all, plebeian. This is why nationalists are shunned and the reason why I advocate theocracy under the divine law of the Abrahamic God, supposed to be omnipotent and perfectly moral.


Saturday, 18 April 2015

Claire Khaw denounces Eddy Butler and the English Democrats

http://www.yourharlow.com/2015/04/16/english-democrat-candidate-thanks-ukip-for-signing-nomination/comment-page-1/#comment-14518

Comment 1:

For someone who used to be a British Nationalist to now support a party that is actively campaigning for the break-up of the Union is bemusing. Is this the result of a lack of principle or just a question of any port in a storm?

Comment 2:

The clue is in the noun “British” which was always an English project. Only fools think the English, Scots and Welsh will be better off after the break-up of the Union. The rest of the world will regard the British as a broken family – its parents divorced after one or both parties to the marriage have committed acts of infidelity, its children likely to do worse at school after living in a one-parent household headed by a parent who has taken to drink and regularly bringing home unsuitable lovers. No good will come of it, and no benefit accrue to your reputation, Eddy Butler, for refusing to see this.
Make no mistake: Britain will be DIMINISHED after the break up of the Union and if you are British, it means that YOU too will be diminished.

The enemies of society are sluts and socialists, the enemies of the British Plaid Cymru, the SNP and the English Democrats

My poster campaign to save the Union and save the Scotties from Shrek and Sturgeon



Early morning at Harlow College for another hustings event...

Claire Khaw designs T-shirts for Eddy Butler, Harlow PPC for the English Democrats

Who to vote for if you live in Harlow:




Wednesday, 8 April 2015

Claire Khaw designs T-shirts for Eddy Butler, Harlow PPC for the English Democrats


Eddy Butler, formerly BNP National Organiser,
now Harlow PPC for the English Democrats

Eddy Butler:

I am standing in the 2015 General Election in Harlow for the English Democrats.

I chose to stand in Harlow because it is the next constituency to where I live and I stood here in 2010.

The English Democrats deserve to be supported because they are the only party to campaign specifically for England.

The position of England in the Union is likely to come under the microscope with the so-called Scottish Nationalists seemingly determined to interfere in English affairs.

I totally support the setting up of an English Parliament to redress the imbalances caused by devolution – although I am in the wing of the English Democrats that does not favour independence.
The English Democrats represent that brand of moderate sensible nationalism that has a widespread appeal with the electorate.

At present the overwhelming majority of like-minded voters are attracted to UKIP - which shares many of the same attitudes as the EDs – over Europe and migration for example.

I hope UKIP do very well in this election and I look forward to them winning a number of seats.

Harlow is a strong seat for UKIP but is not one of their targets. I would not have stood against them if it was one of their targets. Incidentally I defeated the UKIP candidate in the 2010 election here, although I got on very well with him personally.

Politics is an uncertain business. UKIP might implode of they perform worse than expected – if Nigel Farage fails to get elected for example. I hope he does get elected – but he might not and in such circumstances the EDs might very well take up the challenge. That is another reason why it is essential that the EDs remain in the game.

The EDs are likely to be standing in the sixth or seventh highest number of seats of any party in England.

Apart from UKIP, the EDs are the only viable patriotic party in being.

They deserve your support – and I am showing my support by standing for the EDs in the General Election.

http://www.yourharlow.com/2015/04/07/english-democrats-put-a-candidate-forward-for-harlow/

Eddy Butler:
"The main difference about the EDS is that we support the creation of an English Parliament. 
Otherwise quite similar to UKIP. The English Parliament issue is likely to grow in prominence in the years ahead.

I would oppose moves to build more houses and make Harlow bigger – as I oppose building on the Green belt and making conditions overcrowded with to much pressure on the infrastructure – schools, health, roads, water systems etc.

I support innovation and extra emphasis placed on research and development – which used to be key sectors in Harlow’s economy.

As MP I would speak out on these issues – and warn of  the creeping danger of Islamic extremism

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Thursday, 19 June 2014

What to do with women convicted of making false rape accusations

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2661586/Oxford-Union-president-wont-charged-rape-claims-two-undergraduate-students-police-no-action.html

I bet Alison Saunders feminazi DPP is very disappointed and will be shortly issuing a statement declaring this very soon, just as she did when John Terry was acquitted at http://blog.cps.gov.uk/2012/07/john-terry-acquitted.html

What should happen to women who falsely accuse men of rape?

The Koran treats extramarital sex between a man and a woman the same: 100 lashes. Extramarital sex can be both fornication and adultery. I am sure most reasonable people would agree with me that a rapist should be punished more than a mere adulterer/fornicator, say 200 lashes minimum.

In the Koran, a person who falsely accused someone of adultery attracts the punishment of 80 lashes. So, under this principle, if the accused would have been convicted of 200 lashes if convicted of rape, her false accuser would receive 80% of this sentence if she is convicted of making a false accusation ie 160 lashes in this instance.

Or perhaps the false accuser should be made to give free sex to a man nominated by the court from range of applicants. These applicants would come from a group of men known to be beta-omega males who are clearly unmarriageable and are regular clients of the local brothel.

This session of free sex would take place under the supervised conditions of the brothel. The brothel supervising this could offer a raffle for this opportunity to get sex free from this woman if customers use their services for a defined period of time. There are all sorts of marketing possibilities for this sort of thing, really. If she wished to get out of giving this nominated beta-omega male free sex, she could pay the cost for hiring the services of a prostitute on this man's behalf.

I am really not interested in spending taxpayers' money accommodating these neurotic women for two years, as Eddy Butler proposes. He wants them jailed for that time, and prisons are expensive. Public punishment for such offences would be the quickest way of effecting punishment while instructing the public about what they can and cannot do.

http://thevoiceofreason-ann.blogspot.co.uk/2014/06/a-philosophical-question-on-how-one.html

Feminazis silencing free speech
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/06/19/backlash-against-george-wills-offensive-rape-co/199797

Sunday, 25 May 2014

Predicted BNP percentage of UKIP vote for EU elections 2014 based on local election results


  1. Stockport Bredbury & Woodley: Andy Webster BNP 89, Richard Ellis UKIP 834 - 10%
  2. Stockport Bredbury Green & Romley:  Tony Dean BNP 60, Brian Stanyer UKIP 784 - 7%
  3. Stockport Brinnington & Central: Brenda Waterhouse BNP 93, Michael Buxton UKIP 633 - 14%
  4. Stockport Manor: Duncan Noel Warner BNP 67, John Howard Kelly UKIP 660 - 10 %
  5. Bolton Tonge with the Haulgue: Dorothee Sayers BNP 109,  Derek Fisher UKIP 1053 - 10%
  6. Manchester Moston: Stephen Carden BNP 153, Nigel Houston UKIP 1406 - 10%
  7. Pendle Marsden: Brian Norton Parker BNP 339, Christine Stables UKIP 154 - 220%
  8. Salford Irwell Riverside Gary Tumulty BNP 73, Janice Taylor 464 - 15%
  9. Salford Langworthy Kay Pollitt BNP 86, Andy Olsen UKIP 884 - 9%
  10. Salford Pendlebury Eddy O'Sullivan BNP 122, Paul Frank Doyle UKIP 872 - 13%
  11. Tameside Droylsden East: Robert Charles Booth 236, Ted Salmon UKIP 480 - 49%
  12. Tameside Drolesden West: Ian Connor BNP 106, Tracy Radcliffe UKIP 971 - 10%
  13. Wigan Abram: Dennis Shambley BNP 134, Janet Markland UKIP 760 - 17%
  14. Amber Valley Codnor & Waingroves: Alan Edward BNP 39, Ann Fox UKIP 395 - 9%
  15. Amber Valley Ripley: Ken Cooper BNP 80, Garry Alan Smith UKIP 612 - 13%
  16. Derby Chaddesden: Paul Hilliard BNP 136, Tony Crawley UKIP 987 - 13%
  17. Derby Derwent: Carol Tucker BNP 84, Bill Wright  UKIP 884 - 9%
  18. Birmingham Erdington: Frances Waldron BNP 66, Mel Ward UKIP 703 - 9%
  19. Birmingham Kingstanding: Frances Theresa Burke BNP 92, Jan Higgins UKIP 1128 - 8%
  20. Birmingham Shard End: Kevin Anthony McHugh BNP 134, Iain Roden UKIP 1754 - 7%
  21. Coventry Bablake: Mark Badrick BNP 74, Paul Robert McNamara UKIP 929 - 7%
  22. Coventry Binley & Willenhallm: David Clarke BNP 108, Colin Aldous Stubbs UKIP 1134 - 9%
  23. Coventry Henley: Rose Morris BNP 109, Jim Bench UKIP 1124 - 9%
  24. Coventry Longford: Frankie Bates BNP 78, Eugene Austin UKIP 1051- 7%
  25. Coventry Lower Stoke: Keith Oxford BNP 70, Ivor Harold Davies UKIP 938 - 7%
  26. Coventry Sherbourne: Mark Graham BNP 73, Glyn Gordon Davies UKIP 937  - 7%
  27. Coventry Upper Stoke: John Paul Hurren BNP 94, Avtar Taggar UKIP 809 - 11%
  28. Coventry Whoberley: Leisel Dawn Wagstaff BNP 54, Brian Legge UKIP 775 - 6%
  29. Coventry Woodlands: Hunter Hurtsley Helmsley BNP 69, Peter John Morris UKIP 885 - 7%
  30. Dudley Coseley East: Ken Griffiths BNP 123, Star Etheridge UKIP 1,200 - 10%
  31. Walsall Birchills-Leamore: Bob Ball BNP 140, Edmunds Gary UKIP 854 - 16%
  32. Wolverhampton Bushbury North: Simon Geoffery Patten BNP 116, Susan Bem UKIP 1014 - 11%
  33. Wolverhampton Spring Vale: David Bradnock BNP 64, Malcolm Gwinnett UKIP 1251- 5%
  34. Worcester Battenhall: Jennifer May Whitwam BNP 16, Jackie Burnett UKIP 224 - 7%
  35. Worcester Bedwardine: Timothy Stephen Whitwam BNP 37, Martyn Clifford Wheeler UKIP 637 - 5%
  36. Worcester Cathedral: Andrew Robert North BNP 24, Hazel May Finch UKIP 367 - 6%
  37. Worcester Gorse Hill: Ashley Edward Bradley BNP 31, John Francis UKIP 390 - 7%
  38. Worcester Rainbow Hill: Alan James Draper BNP 36, David Paul Carney UKIP 359 - 10%
  39. Worcester St John: Linda Mary Bell BNP 30, Richard Guy Delingpole UKIP 521 - 5%
  40. Worcester Warndon: Julie Whitwam BNP 32, James Alexander Goad UKIP 407 - 7%
  41. Barking & Dagenham Eastbrook:  Anthony McKay BNP 222 + Paul  Paul Leslie William Sturdy BNP 166, Jonathan Roland Gay UKIP 960 + Richard Edward Kelly UKIP 1102 - 18%
  42. Barking & Dagenham: Bob Taylor BNP 469, Alan Arthur Kiff UKIP 1023 - 45%
  43. Bexley Barnehurst: Paul Hulme BNP 89, Harry Buttar UKIP 1065 + Mike Ferro UKIP 1153 + Barrie Thomas UKIP 1125 - 2%
  44. Bexley Belvedere: Brian Haslam BNP 328, Catherine Reilly UKIP 1130 - 29%
  45. Bexley Blackfen & Lamorbey: Chris Wait BNP 387, Lynn Smith UKIP 1225 - 31%
  46. Bexley Blendon & Penhill: Erin Bradley BNP 390, Martin Harradine UKIP 1289 - 30%
  47. Bexley Brampton:  Maureen Slaughter BNP 268, John Dunford UKIP 1280 - 20%
  48. Bexley Christchurch: Ben Scott BNP 241, Rick Millward UKIP 1090 - 22%
  49. Bexley Colyers: Peter Finch BNP 383, Mac McGannon UKIP 1112 - 34%
  50. Bexley Cray Meadows: John Brooks BNP 262, Steve Reader UKIP 1029 - 25%
  51. Bexley Danson Park: Ronald Slaughter BNP 295, Malcolm Clarke UKIP 1094 - 26%
  52. Bexley East Wickham: Nicola Finch BNP 346 + Michael Jones BNP 381 +  Jaymie McCoy BNP 216, Rob Comley UKIP 1020 + John Patrick Fennelly UKIP 944 - 48%
  53. Bexley Erith: Robert David BNP 323, Keith Forster UKIP 987 - 32%
  54. Bexley Falconwood & Welling: Jimmy Dobson BNP 398, Pamela Perrin UKIP 1271- 31%
  55. Bexley Lesnes Abbey: Carl Bussey BNP 284, Chris Attard UKIP 1137 - 24%
  56. Bexley Sidcup: Lucy Ann Money BNP 181, Colin Burnell UKIP 897 - 20%
  57. Bexley St Michael's: Laurence Picton BNP 407, Chris Beazley UKIP 1280 - 31%
  58. Bromley Cray Valley West: Roger Tonks BNP 139, David Livett UKIP 1,245 + Terence Nathan UKIP 1,202 - 5%
  59. Bromley Cray Valley East: Deborah Kane BNP 284, Mick Greenhough UKIP 1,172 - 24%
  60. Bromley Mottingham & Chislehurst North: Philip Dalton BNP 181, Karen Thomson UKIP 770 - 23%
  61. Croydon Fieldway: David Clarke BNP 210, John Clarke BNP 212, Bill Eastoe UKIP 686 - 61%
  62. Croydon Heathfield: Michael Collard BNP 285, Crispin Williams UKIP 1185 - 24%
  63. Croydon New Addington: Clifford Le May BNP 168 + Donna Treanor BNP 80, Clive Christensen UKIP 740 + Christopher Johnson UKIP 639 -17%
  64. Ealing Northolt Mandeville: David Smith BNP 234, Bryan Ashley James Parry UKIP 734 - 31%
  65. Ealing Northolt West End: David Furness BNP 362, Roy Thomas Jeffrey Schofield UKIP 814 - 44%
  66. Enfield Enfield Lock: Jason Keogh BNP 296, Sharon Downer UKIP 829 - 35%
  67. Enfield Southbury: Marie Nicholas BNP 233, Fred Rolph UKIP 719 - 32%
  68. Enfield Turkey Street: Stephen Squire BNP 278, Gary Robbens UKIP 805 - 34%
  69. Greenwich Coldharbour and New Eltham: Clifford Baxter Adams BNP 401, Peter Robin Whittle UKIP 1,137 - 35%
  70. Greenwich Eltham North: Roberta Florence Louise Woods BNP 307, Paul Stephen Butler UKIP 1,221 - 25%
  71. Greenwich Eltham South: Thelma Grace Peete BNP 248, John Robert Evans UKIP 1,069 - 23%
  72. Greenwich Eltham West: Paul Ramsay BNP 314, Ryan Matthew John Acty UKIP 856 - 36%
  73. Greenwich Middle Park and Sutcliffe: Nick Scanlon BNP 313, Raymond Adams UKIP 913 - 34%
  74. Havering Gooshays: Ray Underwood BNP 247, David Johnson UKIP 1848 + Lawrence James Webb UKIP 1790 + Patricia Ann Rumble UKIP 1733 - 4%
  75. Havering Heaton: Kevin Layzell BNP 556, Philip Joseph Hyde UKIP 1549 + Ian De Wulverton UKIP 1506 - 18%
  76. Hillingdon South Ruislip: Gavin Cardy BNP 223, Alan Foster UKIP 649 +  Martin Shelvey UKIP 651- 17%%
  77. Hillingdon Yiewsley: Vincent Evans BNP 304, Jason Ponty UKIP 892 - 34%
  78. Kingston Upon Thames St James: David Child BNP100, Linda WinifredHolligan UKIP 386 + Bona Watson UKIP 361 - 13%
  79. Exeter Priory: Chris Stone  BNP 38, Nicola Guagliardo UKIP 721 - 5%
I predict the BNP will receive 18-21% of the UKIP vote in the 2014 EU elections.  

It received 37% of the vote in the 2009 EU elections.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Parliament_election,_2009_(United_Kingdom)#Great_Britain

Eddy Butler, the former National Organiser of the BNP and their elections guru disagrees:

"It won't - the wards you are using as a comparison are among  the most favourable for the BNP and the BNP will have usually done some local work to back up their campaign - in the rest of the country they won't have that benefit - Hence 10%.

UKIP will get about 30-35%.

If the BNP get 20% of that they will get 6-7% of the total vote - the same as last time. They will get half that - 3% less than 10% of the UKIP vote - your methodology is wrong."



I don't suppose it matters really, because UKIP has now become The New BNP judging by the way Hope Not Hate, UAF etc are carrying on.

We can work out the extent of the unofficial merger when we know the exact number of votes UKIP and the BNP received so we can work out the percentage to which the BNP has merged with UKIP since 2009.  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Parliament_election,_2014_(United_Kingdom)#Results

The BNP vote was only 4% UKIP's. 96% of what could have been the BNP's vote went to UKIP because of Nick Griffin's reluctance to give up racism, Islamphobia and antisemitism and because he did not make the BNP exclusively and exclusively civic nationalist. That is the extent of his failure because he wanted to cling to his core supporters who are lower class racists and losers

Mark Collett:

"All those nationalists who are complaining that UKIP were the primary beneficiaries of the anti-immigration and anti-EU vote should lay the blame at the feet of those responsible. If the BNP had modernised like the FN, the FPO and the Danish People’s Party then they would have dominated that section of the political spectrum. There would have been no room for UKIP to grow. Instead Griffin and his stooges kept the BNP on the fringe of UK politics with hard line talk, media gaffes and political decisions that stopped the party stepping into the mainstream. This created a vacuum for a popular, sensible and electable patriotic party, that vacuum was ably filled by UKIP."

The BNP vote in 2005 is only 14% of its vote in 2009. Even Mike Nattrass's new party got more votes than it did.

The UKIP vote increased by 57%.

The vote for the pathetic English Democrats has been reduced by 45%.

Thursday, 10 April 2014

Why has Jeffrey Marshall been expelled from the BNP without warning or explanation?


8 April 2014


Dear Mr Matthys
I am writing to enquire why my party membership has not been renewed for 2014.                                                
I rang the BNP number on 3rd March 2014 and spoke to Dawn. Then I paid £48 (or so I thought) over the phone to renew my membership for the year.  I apologised for renewing late - a little over two months since my membership had expired.

However I explained that my debit card had gone missing in February and she said this would be fine. She mentioned that the electronic payments system was down at that moment, but took my bank details and said it would be done later.

A day or so later I noticed the money had not been deducted from my account, so I rang Dawn again. She said there was a query about my membership, which was being dealt with by the membership department.  She also mentioned that an earlier suspension of my membership might be affecting my voting rights.

Subsequently, I called a few more times during the week but could not get any further information on the subject from Dawn, who was most apologetic.

In fact, my membership was suspended in 2010 for 3 months. This also applied to about 20 other members, including former London organisers.

Although we wrote to Clive Jefferson at the time asking why this had been done, none of us (as far as I am aware) received a reply.  After 3 months the suspensions were lifted by Clive in a sort of ‘truce’.  After this, I was able to renew in 2011, 2012 and 2013 without any difficulty at all.

Indeed, I was also able to vote in the 2011 party leadership election - which obviously I could not have done if the 2010 suspension had affected my voting rights in any way.

My latest renewal in 2013 was approved by you personally.  I have attached a copy of the letter you sent me on 21st March 2013 thanking me for renewing my membership.

I am not sure what could have happened between March 2013 and March 2014 to affect my membership status.  I have been reasonably active in the party – attending branch meetings and party demonstrations (e.g. for Lee Rigby in Westminster on 1/6/13; at Lunar House, Croydon on 5/10/13; and, recently, for Lee Rigby at the Old Bailey on 26/2/14).

In 2011, I was appointed East End Organiser. In addition to the European and Local Elections on May 22nd - there is to be a mayoral election in Tower Hamlets.  The present mayor, Lutfur Rahman, is sympathetic to Islamic fundamentalism and also (allegedly) corrupt.  A Panorama programme broadcast on 31/3/14 focused on fraud in the borough and on 4/4/14 fraud inspectors raided the town hall in Tower Hamlets and gathered up boxes of official files.

I believe the BNP should stand a candidate against Rahman (closing date for nominations is April 22).  The London Regional Organiser, Steve Squire, agrees.  On 10/3/14 at 22.58 he texted me saying: “I am quite interested in the mayor contest, when is it? The deposit [£500] won’t be a problem, we can raise that.”

Earlier that day I had discussed this with him.  He admitted there was no-one else in the Tower Hamlets area to represent the BNP.  There is to be a UKIP candidate standing in the election – Nicholas McQueen, a cousin of the late fashion designer, Alexander McQueen. This connection will no doubt give him a high profile and – with no BNP candidate to offer a genuine nationalist alternative – UKIP will simply take ALL the votes that should by rights go to our party.  What a pity.

Finally, I would be grateful if you would send me a letter concerning my membership status which should include an explanation of why my membership has not been renewed.


I will request a disciplinary hearing, if necessary, and/or take the matter to appeal.

I look forward to hearing from you.

Yours sincerely
J Marshall

What could be the reason for the non-renewal of Jeffrey Marshall's membership without warning or explanation?

It is true that he did a while back at a London Nationalist Unity Meeting that he would stand as a leadership contender in the next BNP leadership election which would be in 2015, after the General Election.

Jeff  says he is now "reasonably sure that problem with renewing my membership is because of the conversation I had in the pub after the Lunar House demo in September 2014 with Richard Perry of Malden, Essex and his wife, Tina both parish councillors. A member, George, was there and said rather provocatively, "You are against Nick Griffin, aren't you, Jeff?"  Instead of just denying this, as I should have, I proceeded to list Nick Griffin's strengths and faults and said I would stand against him in the next leadership election.  George said, "But no one will vote for you, Jeff."  I said, "But I still think someone should stand." Richard and Tina looked a bit shocked, as newish members.  I thought at the time it might get back to the leadership."

Is this an honourable reason to expel him though?

It has also been said that Jeffrey has been "mixed up" with me, but that must be nonsense, surely.  Jeffrey doesn't look anything like me and takes great care not to say the things I say.

Perhaps he is seen as my proxy by the leadership, which is flattering indeed.

proxy
ˈprɒksi/Submit
noun
noun: proxy
the authority to represent someone else, especially in voting.
"Britons overseas may register to vote by proxy"
synonyms: deputy, representative, substitute, delegate, agent, surrogate, stand-in, attorney, ambassador, emissary, go-between, envoy;
a person authorized to act on behalf of another.

Eddy Butler has his own theory:

They have always known that he is your partner - they have known about his idea of standing and Griffin might welcome the opportunity to cement his rule  - the only new factor is he was seen with me [at the Old Bailey demo in February http://www.bnp.org.uk/news/national/breaking-news-lee-rigby-murderers-due-be-sentenced] - they hold me responsible for their demise - which of course is true Ha!

Jeffrey is the one on the left

What does the BNP constitution say?

http://www.bnp.org.uk/sites/default/files/constitution_12.3_with_candidate_contract.pdf

Could it be that Nick Griffin thinks Jeffrey Marshall might become the new BNP leader or that he thinks his position is so precarious that he would deprive Jeffrey of his voting rights just in case Jeffrey votes for the other candidate?

Will we ever know?

Jeffrey Marshall - would butter melt in his mouth?

Jeffrey Marshall stopped from renewing his BNP membership because Nick Griffin fears defeat in 2015 leadership contest
http://thevoiceofreason-ann.blogspot.co.uk/2014/04/jeffrey-marshall-frozen-out-of-bnp.html

Jeffrey Marshall's proposed leadership campaign strategy

1.  Start blogging now that he intends to contest the leadership.
2.  Dare the BNP not to renew his membership just because he said that.
3.  Declare that his prospectus is simply to return the BNP constitution, mutatis mutandis, to what it was before and return the party to the noble tradition of having a leadership election every year. http://thenationalparty.org.uk/constbnp10.htm has the old shorter clearer simpler constitution.
4.  Recognise that the old constitution has all those bits about sending non-white British citizens "home" which is no longer acceptable after the EHRC came into existence, so he will substitute that by saying that the BNP is a party that is committed to promoting the long term national interest.
5.  Point out that he does not really want the job of being BNP leader, and only wants to be caretaker leader.
6.  Point out that his prospectus should be attractive to those who fancy having a go at the leadership the following year.


28 Apriil 2014

It seems that the party has taken his money and his membership card is in the post. Let us see if he receives it.  

Tuesday, 25 March 2014

Condemning terrorism is a distraction from condemning UK foreign policy


  1. What is the point of condemning terrorism?
  2. Can condemning terrorism bring back to life dead victims of terrorism?
  3. Isn't it better to condemn UK foreign policy which gave rise to acts of terrorism from Muslims?
  4. Is it better to hate Muslim terrorists more than one hates UK foreign policy?
  5. How is it better to hate Muslim terrorists more than one hates UK foreign policy?
  6. How does it help to say you hate Muslims or Muslim terrorists more than you hate UK foreign policy, which gave rise to the terrorism complained of?
  7. Is the purpose of saying you condemn Muslim terrorists more than you condemn UK foreign policy to be one of the gang (and that the gang you want to be a member of is a gang of Islamophobes)?
  8. Does Eddy Butler hate Muslims and Muslim terrorists more than he hates UK foreign policy?
  9. Does Claire Khaw hate UK foreign policy more than she hates Muslim terrorists?
  10. Who is more more effective at condemning UK foreign policy?  Claire Khaw or Eddy Butler?
  11. If the cause of terrorism is UK foreign policy, which should you condemn if you want to solve the problem - UK foreign policy or Muslim terrorists?
  12. Is someone who refuses to condemn the symptom (terrorism) but prefers to condemn the cause (UK foreign policy) a traitor?  
  13. Is patriotism the last refuge of the scoundrel?
  14. If all patriotism amounts to is "my country right or wrong", should we avoid it in order to avoid scoundrels?
  15. If foreign policy is to have an ethical basis, does the Koran provide a better ethical basis than liberal interventionism?  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quran_and_violence
  16. Is the life of the average Iraqi better than before it was invaded?
  17. Is the life of the average Afghan now better than before it was invaded?
  18. Is the life of the average citizen in a NATO member state now better than before the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan?
  19. Does the UK even have a foreign policy of its own?
  20. Is not UK foreign policy US foreign policy?
  21. Is not EU foreign policy US foreign policy?
  22. Why are gentiles in the West dying for Israel in the Middle East?  
  23. Did Bin Laden say that whichever party US citizens voted for they would still have a party with the same Zionist policy towards Israel?
  24. Is there a single member of NATO who does not have a Zionist foreign policy?
  25. Why can you not be a member of NATO without having a Zionist foreign policy?
  26. What are the benefits of Zionism for liberal democracies when most of them have a significant number of Muslims in their populations who would be upset by their Zionist policies and who may go on to commit acts of terrorism?
  27. Does being a representative democracy make you vulnerable to manipulation by foreign interests eg AIPAC, Friends of Israel?  http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n06/john-mearsheimer/the-israel-lobby
  28. If China decided to have a representative democracy would it end up having a Zionist foreign policy too?  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaifeng_Jews
  29. Should Israel adopt Secular Koranism?  http://thevoiceofreason-ann.blogspot.co.uk/2012/01/how-to-solve-problem-of-israel.html

  1. Tasty bacon sizzling under a hot grill.
    If some people had their way this would be banned and the entire British pig farming industry closed down!
    • Claire Khaw I like bacon too. The first time I heard a joke about halal bacon, pork and ham was told by a Muslim to me.
    • Eddy Butler How broad minded of you. How many other Koranic rules do you wish to break?
    • Claire Khaw The prohibition against shell fish by the Jews was probably to protect Jews from getting ill from shell fish poisoning. I once at a bad oyster and was very very ill. If you are not in robust health the effects of shell-fish poisoning could kill you. 

      As for pork, there are many parasites in it if it is not cooked properly. In Mohammedan times the temptation to skimp on cooking time must have been great indeed. 

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cysticercosis


      en.wikipedia.org
      Cysticercosis is a tissue infection by the pork tapeworm (Taenia solium).[1] People may have little or no symptoms for years, develop approximately one to two centimeter painless solid bumps in the skin and muscles, or have neurological symptoms if the brain is affected.[1][2] After months or years…
    • Claire Khaw The correct question to ask me would be "Which Koranic rules do you wish to impose?" 

      The answer can be found at https://www.facebook.com/.../Should.../417696111659379...



      Is it the only language irresponsible, promiscuous, immoral and stupid women understand?
      Community: 38 like this.
    • Claire Khaw I am not the only one in nationalism who thinks SSMs should be discouraged, eh, Charlotte Lewis

      http://order-order.com/.../exclusive-browns-gulags-for.../
    • Eddy Butler I think you have just demonstrated that any form of Koranism isn't required in order to support family values and also you demonstrated very well that Islam is stuck in the desert in the Middle Ages and is no sort of program for an advanced western nation. Well done - thanks for that Claire - I will make a nationalist of you yet - I feel a bit like Professor Higgins.
    • Claire Khaw I have identified the tolerance of widespread illegitimacy as the reason for the decline of the West. I will therefore use all the ideological weapons available to me to shift Western governments from their current mindset of refusing to address the problem of widespread illegitimacy. 

      The West hates and fears Muslims. It is my intention to use their hatred and fear of Muslims and their religion against feminism, which is the cause of Western malaise. 

      Feminism causes immigration and paedophilia.
    • Eddy Butler As a strategy that is utterly pitiful - using an immigrant religion to undermine immigration? If that is your aim? You need to get the 'west' to buy into your ideas not repulse people - you need to rethink
    • Charlotte Lewis SSMs should definitely be discouraged.
    • Claire Khaw Nationalism is really social conservatism, Eddy. If you fail to understand that, you do not even understand the ideology you claim to support. 

      You can only protect your society and your people by imposing morality, and the purpose of morality is for bringing about social cohesion. 

      Social cohesion means that a society has the ability to make members of that society co-operate with each other to fight internal and external enemies. 

      What you hate about Islam is precisely what you want for yourselves, but are too afraid to admit this. 

      I am sure many nationalists would really like to go around the East End bashing gays, but you are now too afraid to do this. When the Muslim Patrol does this, you hate them for doing what you would really like to do for yourselves.
    • Claire Khaw Most profound truths are paradoxical, Eddy. 

      It was a Muslim who told me that you can only fight Muslims with the Koran!
    • Claire Khaw You can only have control over your own borders and immigration policy by leaving the EU, and we can only leave the EU by having a referendum.

      The Islamic principle of Shura is well-established.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shura


      en.wikipedia.org
      Shura (Arabic: شورى shūrā) is an Arabic word for "consultation". The Quran and Muhammad encourage Muslims to decide their affairs in consultation with those who will be affected by that decision.
    • Eddy Butler There are socially conservative aspects to nationalism but nationalism isn't social conservatism - social conservatism means that you want to conserve or protect or nurture your society - the things that make that society cohesive - which includes importantly our native religion and our native laws - I am so glad you have come around to see this and understand now that Islam in Britain must be opposed. Progress!
    • Eddy Butler I think aircraft carriers are a more effective weapon.
      Democracy is well established in the west as is the principal of holding referenda - surely you know this?
    • Claire Khaw Can you define nationalism for me, Eddy?
    • Claire Khaw What do you intend to do with aircraft carriers to fight Muslims? Are you a Necon?
    • Claire Khaw Referenda are much rarer than general elections in Britain.
    • Charlotte Lewis I do not eat pork or any other meat, but I'm not a Muslim.
    • Claire Khaw I suppose I should not be too shocked to see that a man who has no principles continuing to confuse "principles" and "principals", but I still find these errors distressing when I am dealing with graduates from good universities and confirms the depth of British degeneracy.
    • Eddy Butler Referenda and any sort of proper election are exceptionally rare in any state governed on islamic principals - I'm glad you are reduced to correcting my spelling mistakes - that is your true vocation - as my proof reader.
    • Claire Khaw The reason why Muslims suffer is because they have perverted and misunderstood the Koran for centuries. 

      I am proposing that the white man snatch the Koran from their brown hands and interpret it better than they ever did.
    • Eddy Butler Yeah and you were the first person to understand it in 14 centuries - that is damming - you want to snatch some parts from their hands but leave them with the prohibition on bacon and alcohol?
      As a social conservative you MUST support traditional structures such as the old fashioned Church of England even if you are personally an atheist.
    • Frank Forte Eddy, you have better things to do than argue with cranks surely?
    • Claire Khaw All the Abrahamic faiths promote the same moral precepts. I am surprised you don't know it. 

      The Church of England is no longer fit for the purpose of maintaining morality. I do not regard it as constructive or profitable to hang on to broken down boilers that are not economical to have repaired. 

      The C of E is now fatally infested by feminists and liberals. If you want to reform it you would have to propose the disestablishment and the re-establishment of the Church, which would be analogous to switching your computer off and then on again to resolve a glitch.
    • Claire Khaw http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crank_(person) 

      There is nothing cranky about saying marriage is an institution that should be respected, is there?

      Or that religion is the only way of maintaining and promoting social conservatism?

      Or that widespread illegitimacy leads to degeneracy? 

      And that degeneracy leads inexorably to racial and national decline?


      en.wikipedia.org
      "Crank" is a pejorative term used for a person who holds an unshakable belief that most of his or her contemporaries consider to be false.[1] A crank belief is so wildly at variance with those commonly held as to be ludicrous. Cranks characteristically dismiss all evidence or arguments which contrad...
    • Frank Forte What is missing inthese Faiths is SPIRITUALITY. It has been replace with Dogma. In the case of Islam Deadly dangerous Dogma.
    • Claire Khaw Spirituality is the reward you get for following your religion. 

      Since none of you have a religion or do not practise your religion you do not deserve the reward of spirituality.
    • Claire Khaw You are a Buddhist, Frank. You have embraced an alien religion and fallen for the world's most ineffective and abstract religion hook, line and sinker.
    • Claire Khaw Buddhism is just about pretending you have died or spending your entire life wishing for death, that is how useless it is.
    • Frank Forte Claire you are indeed entitled to your opinion, but before you make remarks about my Faith, please have the decency to know what you are on about before opening your stupid mouth. Buddhism (My Buddhism Nichiren Buddhism) is simply about RESPECT for life and changing bad Karma into good. I usually never decry a faith, but there are exceptions and those are the faiths that SLANDER LIFE a nd would do harm to others. Islam is the top of that list and I will always stand against it.
    • Claire Khaw A bigot hates what he does not understand and refuses to try to understand what he does not understand. Quite a few of you fit this description, sadly. Eddy has allowed himself to be influenced by these intellectually backward attitudes, because he has for so many years been surrounded by nationalists who are not known for their ability to entertain new ideas or discuss abstract ideas without falling out with each other. Uneducated people behave like that and it cannot be denied that most nationalists have not been educated to a high level.
    • Claire Khaw Nichiren Shoshu Buddhism have had a few scandals in their corrupt priesthood, Frank.
    • Frank Forte Yes Claire, also in the Sokka Gakkai one of the lay societies. I belong to NONE of those, I simply read the teachings of Nichiren himself and do my Buddhist practice, the most of which is chanting Nam Myoho Renge Kyo. You do NOT need to belong to any organisation to do that any more than a lot of Christians are of no particular denomination.
    • Claire Khaw What you people understand is that what you call religion is just state ideology. Our state ideology is not Christianity as you all mistakenly think but PC Liberalism. 

      Basically your state ideology is what your laws encourage and forbid. 

      You hate Muslims because you fear them, and you fear them because they have a stronger ideology than yours. The solution is simple: find an ideology that will make you have a stronger ideology than theirs.
    • Eddy Butler All you demonstrate is that you are not a nationalist and not a social conservative - you are an attention seeking hobbyist and dilettante.
    • Frank Forte The problem is while one has an Ideology that is good, but when that ideology is one that encourages death and control over non believers then I have to do something about it.
    • Claire Khaw Chanting is not going to change British politics, Frank.
    • Claire Khaw Muslim terrorists act in response to Western foreign policy, Frank. Are you trying to justify the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan and the treatment of the Palestinians by the State of Israel?
    • Claire Khaw Or perhaps you are saying that the Muslims should just accept whatever the Israelis dish out, and turn the other cheek, like good Christians? 

      Now, why would you say that? And why should they listen to you?
    • Frank Forte It will change ME, I will become more enlightened to the reality of my environment through chanting (I believe) and therefore any actions I make will in fact enable me to make a change. So you are quite wrong there Claire. It is interesting my belief in Buddhism is NOT a blind faith or wishful thinking. It is the utilisation of Life's Laws. When I no longer see the results of my practice in both my own life and my environment. Then I NO LONGER WANT THIS FAITH. If it doesn't work I dion't want it.
    • Claire Khaw I am sure chanting makes you feel happier and purposeful as an individual, but then you have given up on politics really. 

      Both you and Eddy have. 

      And all you are doing is asking me to give up too. Now, why would you do such a thing and ask me to join your Cult of Apathy, Negativity and Uselessness?
    • Frank Forte Claire. I really feel I am pissing in the wind with this, so I am killing this conversation dead as of now. I do not like you and I will not pretend I do. Eddy is right you need to be the centre of attraction at all times. I hope you can get over this insecurity as you really are quite intelligent.
    • Claire Khaw This post was directed at me so I thought it would be polite to respond. Eddy was worried that bacon would be banned under Secular Koranism and I was just telling him that neither pubs nor bacon would be banned if I ever came to power. 

      Why would you wish me not to get the attention I get for saying the things I do? I wish my ideas to be discussed, so I discuss my ideas. All I have to do to get attention is discuss my ideas. 

      If you want attention you are free to find ways of attracting attention to yourself. I would not resent you for that if you have something interesting and constructive to say.
    • Frank Forte I do not need chanting to make me feel happier and purposeful I do however need to make sure the causes I make are right for me both now and in my future. THIS is why I chant. If you have something of value to say it is important that you get attention when you say it. BUT, Where you are concerned I feel you are so insecure you have to make yourself noticed. And....I have NOT given up on Politics, I just do not have a political home at the present.
    • Eddy Butler Oh dear now she advocates a pro Islamic foreign policy
    • Claire Khaw I was against the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan. 

      Are you saying you approved of that, Eddy?
    • Eddy Butler But she is a fake Koranist as she only wants to adopt the laws she likes. That's why she is a fake
    • Claire Khaw A Koranist is just someone who wants to follow the Koran. What verse of the Koran have I gone against?
    • Claire Khaw Rules are meant to be broken. No one is claiming that Muslims never indulge in extramarital sex etc, just that Muslims are punished and it is assumed that it is better to punish those who indulge in it that not to punish them. 

      Is anyone claiming that the West is now a better place because most people now have extramarital sex?
    • Eddy Butler My position is not governed by my attitude towards Islam nor fear of reprisals from people who shouldn't be in this country
    • Eddy Butler I have nothing against live firing exercises
    • Claire Khaw You need to define your ideas more positively than that for ideas to gain traction, but you have no ideas anyway.
    • Eddy Butler Ha! I am far too tolerant as many people point out
    • Claire Khaw I at least raise the standards of debate on your wall.
    • Eddy Butler Errr if you say so
    • Claire Khaw I can't think of anyone else who discusses ideas on your wall, Eddy!
    • Claire Khaw http://www.brainyquote.com/.../e/eleanorroo385439.html

      www.brainyquote.com
      "Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people." - Eleanor Roosevelt quotes from BrainyQuote.com
    • Eddy Butler You don't discuss ideas - you spam - and you are incapable of listening
    • Mark Asseenontv Scutchings-Stevens This is a long shot from sizzling bacon butties for breakfast !!! Claire, do you propose that we eat roasted dogs heads, instead ? .... 
    • Eddy Butler And sheeps eyes
    • Andrew Howarth Claire Khaw, hand her over to Anjem Choudray with a bacon sandwich in her hand.
    • Claire Khaw The standard of debate here is abysmal.
    • Eddy Butler Under shura, advice or opinion does not bind the ruler to popular will - hence the lack of democracy in states run on an Islamic basis and hence the absence of referenda also. The west hardly needs help from islam on how to hold a referendum.
    • Claire Khaw Consultation does not mean obedience, I would be the first to acknowledge that.
    • Claire Khaw I wonder what would happen if the British government held a referendum on the EU in which the majority of voters indicated that they would prefer to leave and then ignored it.
    • Claire Khaw There is lots of stuff that the BNP want that the Koran could be interpreted to support, but, because you hate Muslims and their religion so much, you won't even acknowledge this. 

      Just remember this: nationalists are lower than the Muslims in the mind of the liberal.
    • Eddy Butler You admit that your cranky policy does not provide a basis for a binding referendum - your platform.is fast unraveling.
      Of course nationalists are lower than moslems to a liberal - derrr.
      Why do you think I am.interested in Bnp policy? You are infatuated with them.
    • Claire Khaw I am saying "It would be a bit stupid to hold a referendum and then ignore the result."
    • Claire Khaw You turned up for a BNP demo not that long ago, Eddy! 

      You can kick the member out of the party but you can't kick the party out of the member. 

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/.../Justice-Lee-Rigby-Soldiers...



      Fusilier Rigby, 25, was 'mutilated, almost decapitated and murdered' by Michael Adebowale, 22, and Michael Adebolajo, 29, in Woolwich, south-east London.
    • Claire Khaw An example of a crank is someone who believes that the earth is flat. 

      I am a political activist telling the British what I think is wrong with them, but they don't want to hear it. 

      Because they find my cure detestable, they are suddenly pretending that they are no longer ill.
    • Eddy Butler I didn't turn up at a BNP Demo, I was near where they held one - a slight difference that you persist in not being able to fathom - which is par for the course.
      There is more than one type of crank.
    • Claire Khaw You were there to all intents and purposes, Eddy.
    • Claire Khaw You swelled the numbers at the demo and must have pleased Nick Griffin by being there to swell the numbers.
    • Claire Khaw To now pretend that your presence was incidental to something else is laughable.
    • Eddy Butler I don't think anyone is pretending the patient is not ill. Your 'cure' is no different to the disease - it will bring death quicker and more surely.
      And under Koranic law popular advice can be ignored so quite specifically the ruler could ignore any referendum result that went against them - that is a given. You fail again
    • Eddy Butler There were six demos by different groups and most people were in none of the demos - your attempt to include me in a BNP Demo is laughable
    • Eddy Butler I suppose the police were part of the BNP Demo and swelled their numbers
    • Claire Khaw How can slut-shaming harm the British who are so addicted to cheap slut sex that they avert their eyes to degeneracy caused by widespread illegitimacy?
    • Claire Khaw When in history has the result of a plebiscite been ignored?
    • Claire Khaw Why did you attend anyway?
    • Eddy Butler Why did you slip in that sex obsessed post about slut shaming? Is something on your mind?
      Recently there have been referendums on the EU, in I believe Ireland and Denmark which were ignored and a new one held to get the 'right' result. The 'west' is ignoring the Crimea referendum. You are crushingly ill informed. And that is under a system where there is a presumption to take notice of popular opinion. Under the Koran there is no such presumption. So your Koranic policy lies on tatters.
      I told you before on here why I went to the Old Bailey - you really must learn to pay attention and remember things. I went to see what happened at the trial of the murderous black moslems and to show support for the family. I guess you are hostile to me going and deliberately try to paint it as if I was part of a BNP Demo as you find it hard to condemn the actions of the Moslem murderers and need to deflect things into a discussion about rowdy street demos.
      8 hours ago · Edited · 1
    • Claire Khaw Isn't lashing SSMs 100 times per illegitimate offspring slut-shaming? 

      Isn't that what most British nationalists cannot bear to hear discussed because most of them are illegitimate?

      Isn't that what made you say "Your 'cure' is no different to the disease - it will bring death quicker and more surely"?
    • Claire Khaw What exactly is your point about referenda?

      That Muslims will ignore them the same way non-Muslim Europeans do?
    • Claire Khaw The way to deal with that would be to throw out of government the political parties that ignore the result of a referendum, but the voter has a very short memory and does not address his mind to foreign policy at general elections. 

      And that is why I say the franchise should be narrowed.
    • Claire Khaw http://www.theguardian.com/.../lee-rigby-family-calm-protest would suggest that Lee Rigby's family didn't want you there to "showing your respect".

      www.theguardian.com
      Relatives say murdered soldier had friends of different cultures and would not want his death used as excuse for violence
    • Claire Khaw I have said that I condemn UK foreign policy, so why would I condemn Muslim terrorists who condemn the very same UK foreign policy that I condemn? 

      My point is that if you really condemn UK foreign policy you would condemn UK foreign policy without fear or favour. 

      You certainly don't condemn Muslim terrorists who condemn the same UK foreign policy that you have already condemned. 

      The trouble is that you people don't understand the concept of principle at all, do you?

      Your position remains boneheaded: "Only I can condemn UK foreign policy, but not Muslims whom I hate."

      It just shows unprincipled you really are and/or ignorant of the nature and purpose of following a principle. 

      Following a principle does not mean "I only support a principle as long as the people I hate do not support it" as you seem to think.
    • Eddy Butler Your cure is to make the Koran the basis of our law. Clearly I was referring to that.
      Your lurid obsession with lashing sluts is just an example of your nuttiness. I can't imagine that anyone would be frightened of this or could not bear to discuss it - it is mere crankery on your part that borders on perversion.
      My point about referenda is that you falsely claimed that the Koran would provide for a referenda on the EU that would result in Britain leaving the EU - it was a downright lie as under the Koran the presumption is that the ruler can ignore any opinion he doesn't like whereas in the west the presumption is that the ruler would take notice. However even in the west this is not always the case. You naively asked if any referenda had been ignored so i gave you examples. You aren't very good at debating are you?
      Your policy on narrowing the franchise is not based on the Koran I take it
    • Claire Khaw Secular Koranism would mean lashing SSMs 100 times per illegitimate offspring. I know none of you can bear to propose anything effective to deal with your problem of widespread illegitimacy. 

      Indeed, many ignorant nationalists say that as long as the babies born are white babies, they don't care if they are illegitimate. Kevin Watmough of the BPP is one such but he is a Methodist who should know better. 

      You are averse to any measure that would restrict the sexual liberation of the people, Eddy, because you are one of the many many British men who only pay lip service to the idea of respecting marriage. 

      I am just here to remind you that the reality of respecting marriage is to forbid extramarital sex and punish those who indulge in it. 

      Because you cannot bear this idea, you call me mad. 

      But how else can these women be discouraged?

      You don't care because you don't really want to discourage them.
    • Claire Khaw Narrowing the franchise is not forbidden by the Koran, Eddy!
    • Eddy Butler You have some form of mental block dont you?
      I didn't go to the Old Bailey as part of a demo or protest by any far right group. Can you grasp that? So the family didn't not want me there.
      So you don't want to condemn those blacks who killed lee Rigby - that is the crux of the matter that you just admitted to - so it was ok so far as you are concerned for them to kill lee Rigby because they opposed British foreign policy.
      In a nutshell you have summed up why all moslems incl.uding yourself should be expelled as they and you are potentially violent and murderous if they oppose our foreign policy - they have a conflict of interest as their loyalty is not 100% to this country - as clearly neither is yours - and you claim to be a nationalist - what a joke. You and everyone who is disloyal should be expelled.
    • Claire Khaw You were a member of the BNP. The BNP had a demo. You were there. I will let the facts speak for themselves.
    • Eddy Butler It is legitimate for a British citizen to oppoSe British foreign policy if they think it is not in britain's interest. It is not legitimate for a so called British citizen to oppose British foreign policy because they have some sort of connection to the foreign state that is the object of that policy. If that is the case they have divided loyalties and they are traitors
    • Eddy Butler You should be expelled from the country as a traitor
    • Claire Khaw One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter, Eddy! 

      Nelson Mandela was convicted of the terrorist charges and now white people are forced to worship him. 

      Why should I suddenly think UK foreign policy is right when I said it was wrong before, just because Muslim terrorists committed acts of terrorism in protest at UK foreign policy? 

      The sensible thing to do when something like that happens is to take the position of "I told you so. It was a bad idea to invade Iraq and Afghanistan, and the terrorism provoked as a result of invading Iraq and Afghanistan in a busy London street in broad daylight strengthens all the arguments against the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan." 

      This is what the BNP should have done, but they are so easy to distract from making this point because they hate Muslims so much and are not very bright.
    • Claire Khaw Are you saying that you now approve of invading Iraq and Afghanistan, Eddy?
    • Claire Khaw Whom have I betrayed? Is anyone who opposes the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan a traitor? There are a few MPs who would fall under this category then.
    • Claire Khaw Are all these parties who opposed the invasion of Iraq "traitors"?

      http://en.metapedia.org/.../List_of_UK_MPs_who_voted_for...


      en.metapedia.org
      The list of UK MPs who voted for the Iraq War refers to Members of Parliament in the United KingdomHouse of Commons who voted in favour of Tony Blair's New Labour regime motion for participating in the Iraq War. The vote took place on the 18 March 2003 and it couched its position as authorising "all...
    • Claire Khaw I have no connection with Iraq or Afghanistan, by the way.
    • Claire Khaw MPs WHO OPPOSED THE INVASION OF IRAQ

      Ms Diane Abbott (Hackney North & Stoke Newington) 
      Graham Allen (Nottingham North) (also Eurosceptic and against intervention in Libya)
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    • Eddy Butler You refuse to condemn murder because it was in supposed opposition to a foreign policy matter that you oppose because you have an attachment to islam that outweighs you our attachment to Britain.
      You are a traitor end of story - you should be expelled en.d of story.
      You are too stupid to even read what I said as the reason why you are a traitor.
      You also excuse terrorism.
      You should be expelled - no wonder every nationalist group and we very political party of every stripe has expelled you - you should be expelled from thus country as you are not fit to live in it
    • Claire Khaw You are entitled to your opinion, of course, but I do not condemn the Muslim terrorists for the same reason I did not condemn Anders Breivik. 

      Can you work out what that reason is, Eddy?
    • Eddy Butler You are too thick to.understand why I said you are a traitor and those mps are not - you are a traitor whose presence is a security risk
    • Eddy Butler I am uninterested in your perverse reasoning - you should be expelled
    • Claire Khaw The answer can be found in this essay athttp://livinginamadhouse.wordpress.com/.../why-liberals.../

      livinginamadhouse.wordpress.com
      Robert Henderson The trial of the mass killer Anders Breivik  in Oslo is truly r...See more
    • Claire Khaw You can expel me when you are in power, Eddy, or even send me to the Tower ...
    • Eddy Butler You are the enemy of the nation - part of the fifth column - and no one wants to be associated with you. You have finally come clean and admitted your treason
    • Claire Khaw What is the difference between Eddy and me?

      I am more against the invasion of Iraq than him. 

      So, if you are against the invasion of Iraq, you should vote for me, rather than Eddy, who hates Muslims more than he hates the invasion of Iraq. 

      Obviously, vote for Eddy if you prefer someone who hates Muslims more than he hates UK foreign policy.
    • Claire Khaw Really? Is saying you are more opposed to UK foreign policy than you hate Muslims "treason" these days?
    • Eddy Butler I have decided to 'de-friend' Claire Khaw on a matter of principle out of respect for the Rigby family because she supports the right of the two black Moslem murders to kill Lee Rigby due to their supposed opposition to British foreign policy in the Middle East and because she shares their opposition to that foreign policy for the same reasons as them. She shares their view which is why she will not condemn them. I find this reprehensible.
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    • Mark Asseenontv Scutchings-Stevens I agree. She does set up some pointless arguments . 
    • Eddy Butler I don't like to stiffle debate. I am unconcerned by people opposing foreign policy. It would have been acceptable at the outbreak of WW1 for example to oppose the war - maybe because the person was a pacifist, or they thought it was strategically unwise, or they worried about the cost. It would be treason to oppose the war because you were pro German.
      She refused to condemn lee Rigby's murderers because she agreed with their motivation - which was opposition to our intervention in Iraq and Afghanistan because we should not intervene or invade a Moslem country. This is a treasonable reason for opposing the war and her excuses for the murderers behaviour - saying one man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter illustrates that she sympathized with them and had a treacherous reason for opposing the war.
      She made excuses for that horrific murder which I regard as unforgivable and reprehensible.
      The MPs who opposed the war in the main did so for legitimate reasons such as those I gave for opposing WW1.

Whether they are Muslim countries is beside the point.  I would have condemned the invasion even if Iraq and Afghanistan were non-Muslim countries, because I do not believe you should invade other people's countries for no good reason.

There are those who would rather display their hatred of Muslims than concentrate on condemning UK foreign policy.  I just don't happen to be one of them.

People do not become terrorists for fun, and if people are prepared to give up their life, limb and liberty to make a political point, then they must have a grievance.  If they do have a grievance then it is only right that we should consider what we can fairly and reasonably do to resolve their grievance. 

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