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Showing posts with label Holocaust Denial. Show all posts

Friday, 12 October 2018

The purpose of Holocaust Denial laws

Because we have Holocaust Denial laws, we can deduce that the existence of the State of Israel remains controversial and that Western governments wish to censor debate on Israel. It is of course the proles whose grandfathers and great grandfathers died who are understandably asking the purpose of the two ruinous imperial world wars. Did their ancestors die for foreigners to come and take over and for the status of their male descendants to be lowered in their own country?

The point to note is that it was the Zionists who won WW2. Jews won at the expense of gentiles both Christian and Muslim. There is a reason why we shouldn't fight amongst ourselves: because others will exploit our differences to their advantage. It is not even that Jews are all that cunning as is generally supposed. Anyone could see that the argument for a Jewish homeland would be undeniable after Hitler's pogrom, after robbing Peter Arab to pay Paul Jew.

So, after 2000 years of being without a homeland, Jews got back their homeland after WW2.

Christians affirm the existence of Israel because first Britain and then America - Christian countries - wanted Israel as part of their empire.

Having Israel as part of your empire is a form of imperial prestige, like a billionaire owning a yacht or a luxury car. Before the British took over, Israel was part of the Ottoman Empire.

Obviously, having a colonial outpost surrounded by hostile neighbours is a kind of "in your face expression" of Western imperialism and military superiority which Muslims have understandably always resented.

However, instead of keeping Muslims out of the West, the West in a fit of dementia has allowed them into the West in large numbers in the greatest unforced error of all. Now, democratic politicians fear the wrath of their voters who resent sharing their resources and social services with these Muslims and who resent dying over yet more imperialistic wars against Muslims in Muslim countries.

However, since Christianity and liberal democracy are now acknowledged to have failed and a one party theocracy as its most rational replacement looms, there is now room for maneuver as regards Western foreign policy and domestic policy, since we are now living in pre-revolutionary times.

Western Man is suffering from the effects of matriarchal oppression that established itself after the Sex Revolution of the 1970s. What is being proposed is a Counter-Revolution and the rest of humanity can get back on an even keel after the West rights itself. It need not be violent or bloody and can take place soon after the US midterm elections.

"Why a one-party theocracy?" you ask. Because it is the antithesis of the status quo.

If the problem is matriarchy, then the solution must be patriarchy. If the destination is patriarchy, then the vehicle must be theocracy, because only the established laws of an eternal and supreme Abrahamic God would ensure the observance of the prohibition against extramarital sex from generation to generation.

If God exists, He would expect Israel to be a theocracy. It does not matter that merely biological Jews outnumber observant Jews, God if He exists would favour observant Jews, particularly those brave enough to speak truth to power.

The truth that must be spoken to power is that Israel of all the places in the world should be a theocracy, if Jews still believe in God. Judaism is not in any way about sexual liberation. Therefore liberal assimilated Jews who claim Judaism is in any way in harmony with feminism, gay marriage and the single motherhood which produces widespread bastardy as well as racial and national degeneracy have got it completely wrong.

If Judaism is divine ethno-nationalism, then Islam must be divine civic nationalism.

If Islam is "Judaism Lite", then Secular Koranism is "Islam Lite".

Those who want to try Nazism again a second time by proposing a pogrom to expel Jews, Muslims and non-whites from their land should note that neither Nazism nor democracy lasted for any length of time in human history compared to the established world religions.

As for what form of political system the West should adopt after deciding on its laws that support patriarchal moral values ie marriage and family values, the one party state seems the most advanced form of concentrating political talent into one party and choosing a leader. The current system of each party waiting its turn after the party in office has made enough mistakes to become repellent to voters is clearly unsustainable.

Saturday, 15 September 2018

Imperialistic wars, a government of national unity and which CEO should become Dictator of Britain



Topics discussed:

10:00  Why men are keener to keep out foreigners than women http://www.heretical.com/sgs-2002/wfpim.html
11:00  Women in denial
13:00  Intersectional victimhood and the acquisition of status through victimhood
13:30  Serena Williams
27:00  Senior Met Police officer could face the sack for using 'racist' 'whiter than white' phrase  https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/senior-met-officer-could-face-the-sack-for-using-whiter-than-white-phrase-a3936041.html
31:00  I defend Cressida Dick for not wanting to get into a row with Peter Whittle about whether Muslim terrorists were inspired by Islam or Islamism. Basically, the official government position is that it is OK with Islam (ie Muslims), but not with Islamism (ie Muslim terrorists).
It really depends on why the Muslim question committed his crime. If he only killed members of his own Muslim household, then he was a "mere" mass murderer.  If he only killed the pets of all the warmongering neocon politicians to make a political point, he would be a terrorist.

If the Muslim question went on a gun rampage for non-political reasons he would still be a mass murderer.

40:00  The Austrian Empire was destroyed after WW1 because of the way it responded to an act of terrorism.

40:26  My answer to Jay's question "Do you think that the Koran causes confusion which makes people kill?" The short answer is that politics and religion have always been contentious and people have killed and continue to kill each other over political and religious disagreements believing themselve to be the ones more sinned against than sinning.
http://thevoiceofreason-ann.blogspot.com/2018/09/islam-and-islam-based-terrorism.html

45:00  Neoconservatism and neoliberalism
Neoconservatism calls for the invasion of Muslim countries, neoliberalism says it is OK that the people whose countries you have bombed come to your country.

52:00  Boris Johnson sets out his Tory leadership vision... in America https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-sets-out-his-tory-leadership-vision-in-america-a3935956.html

58:00  The government should have declared a state of emergency to implement Brexit

1:02:00  Nationalism is not necessarily military aggression and obviously we should pick our fights carefully.

1:02:45  WW1 and WW2 wars of imperialism between two rival European powers.

1:04:00  Canadian Mark Carney is the Colonial Administrator of the UK on behalf of the globalists.

1:07:00 The Virtue of Nationalism by Yoram Hazony

1:13:00  Holocaust Denial

1:04:00  Weimar Republic

1:24:00   Holocaust Memorials  https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/destinations/europe/united-kingdom/articles/britain-first-holocaust-memorial-to-open-in-london/

1:26:00  Paris Commune  https://www.britannica.com/event/Commune-of-Paris-1871

1:26:35  Herbert Asquith and the cancelled election of 1915  https://www.historytoday.com/ian-garrett/general-election-1915-0

1:27:00  Berlin to Bagdad Railway  https://carlcymrushistoryblog.wordpress.com/2014/04/18/the-berlin-baghdad-railway-and-the-outbreak-of-world-war-one/

1:28:00  Nations and empires: empires always go international

1:30:00  A War Memorial that sugested that WW1 was dedicated to the Glory of God , and not Belgian neutrality or dog in the manger imperialism.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/nov/09/first-world-war-centenary-memorial-restorations-britain-conservation-public-monuments

1:43:00  Empire is an objective measure of human achievement.

1:50:00  What does "Classical Liberal" mean anyway?

2:00:00  One party state

2:10:00  Tim Martin of Wetherspoons

2:20:00  Bernard Jenkin  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3375077/Friend-nudist-Eurosceptic-MP-claims-victim-naked-smear-tactics-leading-role-Vote-Leave-campaign.html


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Sunday, 9 September 2018

Our new religion and our new heresy

The Holocaust is like an extra religion for liberal gentiles. If you doubt any aspect of it, you are a heretic, a blasphemer and an antisemite. Jews enforcing this rule against gentiles has provoked antisemitism, which they are now busily trying to stamp out. The problem about forbidding someone from hating you and constantly reminding you that you are not allowed to hate them and repeatedly checking whether you hate them is that you do end up hating them.

If you ceaselessly bully the a party leader known to be against neocon imperialistic wars - and neocons are known to be prominent Jews - then his Muslim and non-Muslim supporters who hate neocon wars are going to hate you.

I used to think Jews were clever people.

Gentiles could simply turn the tables on Jews by threatening to prosecute them for inciting hatred against themselves or simply remind themselves that they are supposed to have free speech in the Free West and affirm this right.

Sadly for the gentile, after half a century of feminism he is now too degenerate and feeble to even think of asserting his own right to speak about minorities freely in his own land.

Feminised Western men are leaderless men. With the exception of America, Hungary, Poland and Italy, the leaders of the rest of the West appear to be led by female-appointed weaklings or childless clueless women. They would have no idea how to lead the nation if they were not given direct orders by the EU.

Thursday, 8 March 2018

Alison Chabloz, British values and the rule of law


Holocaust Denial is not a crime in the UK.

The Malicious Communications Act 1927 was enacted to deal with writers of poison pen letters, ie anonymous communications sent by a malicious individual intended to cause distress.

If the CPS win, it means that government itself is not interested in the rule of law that it says British values are all about.

The rule of law says Holocaust Denial is not a crime in the UK. The Prosecution is saying that the rule of law is whatever the government or the judiciary says it is.

You know there is no rule of law when the rules of the game are changed before the game is over favouring only one party.





Monday, 27 February 2017

Are you an anti-Semite just because Jews hate you?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/2017/02/25/anti-semitism-row-bristol-university-lecturers-rally-round-academic/


The more Jews complain about anti-Semitism, the more the gentile will hate Jews. Does this even need to be pointed out?

Muslims complaining about Islamophobia already know this.

The more you succeed in repressing the right of the gentile to express their views on Jews in their own land, the more they will hate you.

I really don't know what Jews think they can achieve by calling for ever more repressive laws against the gentile in his own land.

I had thought Jews were a clever and wise people. A clever and wise people would know that laws forbidding gentiles from hating Jews in their own land would only provoke and generate the very hatred they are trying to suppress.

Such laws would be seen as evidence of Jewish power. The idea of the state telling the citizen whom they are not allowed to hate would naturally and predictably be resented, particularly in European countries proud of their liberties.

Perhaps it is only a matter of time before a clever gentile suggests that Jews are provoking anti-Semitism against themselves by the very act of complaining about it.



Holocaust Denial is not a crime in Britain.If Alison Chabloz is found guilty on 24 March 2017 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4036710/Blogger-52-posted-grossly-offensive-anti-Semitic-song-YouTube-denies-hate-crime-charge-brought-Jewish-charity-private-prosecution.html and Holocaust Denial for all practical purposes found to be a crime in Britain, then the true extent of Jewish power will be known. When this is known, even more anti-Semitism will be provoked and generated, with ever more repressive measures called on to repress this hatred thereby increasing this hatred exponentially. 

My friendly advice to the persecutors and prosecutors of Alison Chabloz is to drop this action, for their own good.  

After Hubris comes Nemesis.

Wednesday, 1 February 2017

Jews now hinting that Trump is a Holocaust Denier






Why do so many Jews hate any sensible move or gentile leader if he says or does anything to protect his national interest?

I seem to remember Hitler often conflating with Jews with Liberals in Mein Kampf. Perhaps there is an argument that only observant Jews are Jews. Unobservant Jews should not even be alive, according to http://biblehub.com/exodus/31-14.htm This means that the halakha, which states that a person is Jewish if his mother is is a damnable innovation, because the Torah should trump all other competing and subsequent views on who is a Jew.

A Liberal Jew is an assimilated Jew.

An assimilated Jew is a Jew that has assimilated into degenerate goyim liberalism.

Will I now be accused of anti-Semitism?

These days, you are accused of being an anti-Semite if a Jew hates you!

If liberals hate truth and logic, then it follows that an assimilated liberal Jew would also hate truth and logic. Sensible observant, conservative and Orthodox Jews tend to agree with me, I find. 

Sunday, 29 January 2017

My review of #Denialmovie

Even if I was initially very sceptical of its ability to tell anything approaching the truth, already disgusted by the deliberate miscasting: ex-supermodel Rachel Weisz - the wife of James Bond, no less - playing the spinster who lives alone with a dog while Britain's ugliest actor Timothy Spall was chosen to play David Irving - an undeniably attractive man when younger with the looks of a matinee idol, I was very glad I saw it.  I did enjoy David Hare's adaptation of The Master Builder at the Old Vic last year and had a vague memory of thinking Wetherby terribly profound in my youth.

The other annoying thing is that Rachel Weisz did not even have a proper dialogue coach so she could learn to speak with a proper Queens accent which is Deborah Lipstadt's and only had a very anodyne mid-Atlantic accent. The Queens accent is also the accent of Donald Trump, the Great Emperor of the West. Yes, I know it is  a bit much expecting Rachel Weisz to talk like Trump, but like to think Miriam Margolyes would have done it better. Margolyes is obviously more suited for all sorts of reasons to playing the part of a spinster living alone with her dog.



Miriam Margolyes - the Jewish British actress who should have played Deborah Lipstadt in my view doing many Jewish accents on Johnny Carson. Isn't she just great? Rachel Weisz is not a patch on her. But perhaps it is not too late. A remake of Denial could be made, but this time told from David Irving's perspective, with a properly handsome actor playing David Irving setting women's hearts a-flutter ...




One cannot help wondering if David Irving managed to drag himself to the cinema to see it and whether he spotted his fatal error when he agreed to a judge-only trial.

In the film Anthony Julius and Irving are in front of the judge. (Julius had earlier told Lipstadt that getting a judge-only trial would be key to winning. Lipstadt asked how he would manage to get Irving to agree and Julius said he would appeal to Irving's vanity.)

Scene in the Judge's Chambers where Julius asks the judge for a judge-only trial:

Irving raises his eyebrows.

Julius points out that many of the facts the jury must understand in order to arrive at their verdict are technical and complex, requiring a lifetime's study. They cannot be expected to understand easily and quickly what it took Irving a lifetime to understand.

Irving immediately agrees. 

I feel almost certain that a gentile English jury would have given David Irving the benefit of the doubt while a single judge would have succumbed to all kinds of dark forces trying to influence him to find against David Irving.  Twelve jury members would be just a bit harder to nobble than a single judge, in my view.

Poor old Sally Bercow too lost her case because a single judge decided that she had libelled the late Lord McAlpine in a tweet. It is simply unimaginable that twelve tweeting jury members would have found an emoticon of a surprised face libellous, as Justice Tugendhat found. 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/may/24/sally-bercow-tweet-libelled-lord-mcalpine

I am no Holocaust bore and find the technicalities of whether there were gas chambers at Auschwitz or anywhere else frankly quite unintelligible, unconvincing on both sides.

The judgment was presented on 11 April 2000, although the lawyers had received the decision 24 hours earlier.

In the film, journalists outside the Royal Courts of Justice were complaining that, although they had read the judgment, they were quite unable to tell from its reasoning whom the judge would favour in his decision.

It is therefore still not clear to me how David Irving falsified the evidence beyond interpreting it in a way that departed from the official version and being guilty of infuriating the powers that be.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/review/R3I3DMEPP0149W/ref=cm_cd_pg_pg1?ie=UTF8&asin=1859844170&cdForum=FxLYS0ZWSKDPUR&cdPage=1&cdThread=Tx5NZ2OZI5SPHP&store=books#wasThisHelpful
is an example of an exchange I had with someone who claimed to have read a book on the David Irving trial I have confessed not to have read, but who was quite unable to explain in any intelligible way how Irving falsified the evidence.

It was almost as if Justice Gray was given 1 + 1, but inexplicably said the sum was 3. Even more inexplicably, nobody has pointed out this error and everyone just went along with it.

In practice therefore, even though Holocaust Denial is not officially a crime in the UK, it is in fact treated as if it were one, so beware.

https://www.rt.com/uk/370429-blogger-anti-semitism-court/


Alison Chabloz is mocking the "fake survivors" of the Holocaust in her song "Survivors", but it is actually legal to deny the Holocaust in the UK. However, will the Jews get her anyway on 24 March 2017?

If they do manage to nail her for Holocaust Denial when there is in fact no law against Holocaust Denial in this country, would that not be a blatant display of Jewish power?

And if this Jewish power is displayed, why are Jews - who are supposed to be a clever people - surprised that the gentiles subject to this Jewish power in their own land in which the majority of people are gentile would resent it?

Is their resentment not increased exponentially when they are told they cannot complain or criticise those whom they feel have the whip hand over them?

If I were a Jewess exercising such power over the majority of gentiles, I like to think I would have the good grace to allow them to complain about me. If you allow people to complain about you, you would have a greater understanding of their grievance than if you arrogantly dismissed all complaints as motivated from people who not deserve to have their concerns and grievances aired. Most unwise. However much you despise the goyim hoi polloi, they are still the majority and understandably wish to enjoy the right to free speech in their own land, which is supposedly part of the Free West in which free speech is enjoyed.


http://thevoiceofreason-ann.blogspot.co.uk/2017/01/denialmovie.html

http://thevoiceofreason-ann.blogspot.co.uk/2017/01/jane-garvey-interviews-deborah-lipstadt.html

http://thevoiceofreason-ann.blogspot.co.uk/2017/01/bbc-today-programme-interview-on-denial.html

http://www.fpp.co.uk/trial/judgment/Lipstadt_judgment.pdf

What Jesus said about Jews in his sermon on the Mount

John 8:44 "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it."








Why do so many Jews hate any sensible move or gentile leader if he says or does anything to protect his national interest?

I seem to remember Hitler often conflating with Jews with Liberals in Mein Kampf. Perhaps there is an argument that only observant Jews are Jews. Unobservant Jews should not even be alive, according to http://biblehub.com/exodus/31-14.htm This means that the halakha, which states that a person is Jewish if his mother is is a damnable innovation, because the Torah should trump all other competing and subsequent views on who is a Jew.

A Liberal Jew is an assimilated Jew.

An assimilated Jew is a Jew that has assimilated into degenerate goyim liberalism.

Will I now be accused of anti-Semitism?

These days, you are accused of being an anti-Semite if a Jew hates you!

If liberals hate truth and logic, then it follows that an assimilated liberal Jew would also hate truth and logic. Sensible observant and Orthodox Jews tend to agree with me, I find.

 Irving mentions Lipstadt from the 17th minute

From the 29th minute, I ask him questions about his libel action and Denial, which he hadn't seen, to my annoyance.

From the 36th minute the Kol Nidre is mentioned by David Irving. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kol_Nidre

The vows annulled at Kol Nidre do not include vows made to people and this includes gentiles, only to God. In other words, the purpose of Kol Nidre is not a licence to not keep promises to people, but is intended to make the promisor think which vows to God he will renew after Kol Nidre and which he will allow to expire, if they are found to be foolish or redundant. This is an excellent idea giving us a chance to perform an annual review of promises made to God and decide on their necessity, folly or redundancy, which can only increase our wisdom and self-knowledge.

Below is a talk by Rabbi Sacks on the nature and purpose of Kol Nidre. It does not mention my suggested reason, but my theory hangs together better, in my ever so humble opinion. 

 



Jane Garvey interviews Deborah Lipstadt on BBC Woman's Hour and advertises Denial as "a great film, well worth seeking out"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0890k96

Jane Garvey:

Let's talk to Deborah Lipstadt, the American academic who was living a successful but to be honest quite obscure life in Georgia when she wrote a book called Denying the Holocaust in 1993. She came to international prominence when a British historian a man called David Irving sued her. She made reference to him in that book describing him as somebody who said the Holocaust never happened. The case reached the High Court in the first few weeks of the year 2000 and is now the subject of a new film called Denial. Now here's a quick extract after a bad day in court when Irving is getting headlines for his views and creating soundbites. Deborah, who is played in the film by Rachel Weisz is understandably angry.

Rachel Weisz as Lipstadt:

Irving got what he came for. He wanted headlines, he got them: "No holes, no Holocaust." He wanted a catchy phrase, he got it. It's gonna spread like a virus.

Female voice:

More tea?

Rachel Weisz as Lipstadt:

No, I don't want more tea! 

Female voice [aggrieved]:

I was just asking. 

Rachel Weisz as Lipstadt:

Don't you see what he's doing? He is making it respectable to say that there are two points of view. People are going to see the news now and think "OK, some people think there were gas chambers at Auschwitz and, oh, this is interesting, and some people don't!"

Jane Garvey:

That was Deborah Lipstadt as played by Rachel Weisz. The real Deborah Lipstadt joins us now from the BBC Studios in Salford. Deborah, good morning to you.

Deborah Lipstadt:

Good morning. Thank you for having me.

Jane Garvey:

It's really interesting to talk to you for a multitude of reasons and what a time for this particular film to come out!

Deborah Lipstadt:

Unbelievable! Unbelievable!

Jane Garvey:

What do you make of that?

Deborah Lipstadt:

None of us thought - not the producers, not Mick Jackson the director, or anybody who acted in it, not the actors or David Hare - none of us assumed when we first began planning and working on this that it would have the contemporary relevance that it does but given the first part of the show where we spoke about the marches, we live in a world where people have alternative facts where truthiness - Stephen Colbert calls it truthiness where if I really believe something it has has as much value as facts. 

Jane Garvey:

Just remind us, who used the phrase "alternative facts" in the last couple of hours?

Deborah Lipstadt:

Well, in the last 24 hours, Kelly Conway, the Trump Campaign Manager, now a pivotal person in the White House, when the President's Press Spokesman went out in front of the press and completely lied and said this was the biggest inauguration ever and called the press liars for saying it wasn't when the pictures show great gaps in the number of people and stands at the parade were empty - not all of them but a lot of them, he just went on this rant when the NBC interviewer called her on this and said this is not true and, she said "We have alternative facts." Well, there's no such thing as alternative facts and another word for alternative fact is shorter and quicker and stronger is lies. And this is the third day of the Administration!

Jane Garvey:

Yes, well, OK, it's going to be - I don't know how best to describe it - interesting is an adjective that catches everyone. Let's stick to that.

Deborah Lipstadt:

It's a Chinese curse!

Jane Garvey:

Let's go back in time then to you writing this book - and I said your life was obscure but I don't mean to be offensive - it was a very satisfying one, I'm sure. You cannot have expected ....

Deborah Lipstadt:

I wasn't on Woman's Hour!

Jane Garvey:

You weren't at the time, no. What did you expect when you wrote Denying the Holocaust?

Deborah Lipstadt:

Denying the Holocaust was a book that was suggested to me by two leading historians of the Holocaust who said "You should look into this phenomenon" and I said, "Are you kidding? It's like studying flat-earthers," but they really felt it was important and I have a lot of respect for them so I figured I would write the book and I didn't have a title for the next book at that moment. I said I'll spend two years writing this book and that's it, I'd be finished with the topic and I'm gonna move on. Little did I think it would shake my life and it was because David Irving came after me and sued me for libel.

Jane Garvey:

That's the important fact, isn't it? He sued you. I think some people thought it was the other way round.

Deborah Lipstadt:

I don't believe history belongs in the courtroom. I am against laws outlawing Holocaust Denial. I don't think politicians should be deciding what we can and cannot say, what is permissible and what is not permissible. I am a firm believer in our First Amendment. It's hanging on by its fingernails but it's still hanging on. Freedom of speech is important. The best antidote to bad speech is more good speech.

Jane Garvey:

In the film, you are portrayed as coming to London where incidentally in the film it rains the whole time. I would like to say it isn't actually true, Deborah.

Deborah Lipstadt:

I know, I was here!

Jane Garvey:

... And you're mystified and you do get a lot of tea at times when you are particularly stressed.  You are an American at sea in the English legal system and you appeared to be baffled by it. Was that the case?

Deborah Lipstadt:

I was, I was, because British libel law is the mirror image of American libel law. Here, the burden of proof is on me to prove the truth and that's why people suggested that I settle, and there were a lot of people here and in the States who thought it wasn't worth my time. If I had settled, I would have to apologise for [sic] him and David Irving offered to settle before the trial and I refused because it meant my apologising for calling him a Holocaust Denier, my accepting that his version of the Holocaust was true and agreeing to pulp all my books. He was trying to curtail my freedom of speech.

Jane Garvey:

In the film you visit some members of the Jewish community in London and they also urged you to pack it in to leave it. Did that happen?

Deborah Lipstadt:

That's right. It happened quite precisely how I described it in my book. They were frightened. They thought David Irving would get publicity and even if he had lost he would win. Anthony Julius felt quite differently.

Jane Garvey:

He was your lawyer.

Deborah Lipstadt:

He was your solicitor, he was terrific, he really structured the defence together with his partner James Lipson and Richard Rampton, my barrister. He said "We're gonna fight a good fight, we're gonna decimate this man, we're gonna show he's a liar, he's a falsifier of history and we're going to expose him, and they did.

Jane Garvey:

But they did it without your actually contributing in court. Now I've only known you for a couple of minutes but I'm guessing you might have found that quite difficult keeping quiet.

Deborah Lipstadt:

I have friends saying that either the biggest miracle of this case was that I kept my mouth shut for the ten weeks that the case was and even for the year before it went to trial. Other people have described my keeping quiet as an unnatural act. It was very hard, but I came to understand the wisdom of their decision. I had written my book. I was being sued for what I wrote in my book. Our strategy was to keep the focus on David Irving. We followed his footnotes back to his sources and showed a consistent - not once or twice, not a mistake here or there - but I think 25 or 26 different instances - major instances - of lies and distortions in which he manipulates history.

Jane Garvey:

You also managed to win without the direct involvement of Holocaust survivors, so no Holocaust survivors gave evidence in court and again the film suggests you were very angry about that. Was that true?

Deborah Lipstadt:

I was upset about that. I think I understood sooner than Rachel Weisz does in the film the way it was written why they were doing that. Again, Holocaust survivors would have been witnesses of fact. We didn't wanna raise questions about the factual nature of the Holocaust, we wanted the spotlight to be on David Irving and his lies, and bringing them in would have changed that. Some were upset, some were concerned, but the overwhelming victory, the overwhelming judgment we got from the court when the judge said he lies, he falsifies, he distorts and he does it deliberately I think satisfied them that it was the right strategy.

Jane Garvey:

The plain fact though is that David Irving did get his days in court. He did get attention, he did get publicity. What do you think of that?

Deborah Lipstadt:

I think he got publicity, but it was the wrong kind of publicity. Before when he made his claims people would say "Oh, that's interesting," but nobody knew it was true or not true. Anybody who was in that courtroom, anybody who has read my book, anybody who has seen this film will see that what he claims is not what's there. He takes a fact and he distorts it, so, yes, he got publicity, but I think it was an exposure of his lies. No one takes what he has to say seriously unless they are already anti-Semites and already racist, because racism was very much a part of it as well. 
[There appears to be a liberal presumption that anyone who is perceived to be racist and/or anti-Semitic must by definition be a liar whose legal rights must therefore be counted at nought from then on. The definition of racism and anti-Semitism is vague and wide and can include saying anything that a person of another race might take an offence at. To be called an anti-Semite these days, all that has to happen is that a Jew hates you enough to accuse you of it. Justice Gray appears to have accepted this presumption without much difficulty. Independent judiciary, my eye.]

Jane Garvey:

The plain fact is, Deborah, is that we all pick our version of the truth, don't we? Everyone knows the Holocaust took place and it was hideous beyond anything that I can think of. However, when I look at my Twitter feed, for example, I largely get the views of people who might be tempted to agree with me or think along the same lines as me. Where do we go from this, particular in this age of social media? Where do we find every bit of truth we can grab hold of?

[Jane Garvey has blocked me on Twitter and so has the brunette woman on @BBCr4today. Libtards like living in their own echo chamber only occasionally wondering out loud if they should take account of other views more, but they basically broadcast for each other. Some of the Radio 4 programmes sound so cosy, just like friends talking to each other, don't they? That's because BBC journalists find their friends and lovers from the BBC itself eg Victoria Derbyshire stole Fi Glover's husband. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2706920/BBC-boss-left-radio-star-wife-presenter-Victoria-Derbyshire-sacked-claims-sexually-harassed-staff-member-probe-expenses.html These fucktard libtards don't care about us and are now even more afraid of venturing out of their own echo chamber. If any of them started expressing non-libtard normal views in the BBC canteen they would soon find themselves ostracised by their narrow-minded bigoted BBC village.]

Deborah Lipstadt:

You know when David Hare the playwright took on writing I was so thrilled by that because I have so much respect for him and he has now become a friend. He sent me a long document sort of laying out exactly what happened to me. For anyone who's going to write a biography of David Hare, it's going to be a very interesting document because it shows how he is going to shape the story and shape the screenplay, but at the very end he included a quote from Bertold Brecht's Life of Galileo, and it goes back to Galileo: the sun does not move around the earth, and you can insist that it does and you can put someone who claims that it does to death and whatever it is, but the facts stand and I think we don't all have our own versions of the facts. We may have our own explanations of why this fact happened as it did. Could World War Two have been prevented? Could the Holocaust have been prevented? Could the war in Iraq have been prevented? There are many things why but that they happened, that's the truth. Could we stop the snow caps melting? They're melting. The climate is changing. Slavery happened. It was not a good thing. There are facts and I think this movie, while it's ostensibly about Holocaust Deniers, it has a much bigger message and I never dreamt, as I said at the beginning that it would have the contemporary relevance that it does, and sadly, it does. 

Jane Garvey:

So, very briefly, Deborah, to our younger listeners, your advice in life would be listen and ask questions?

Deborah Lipstadt:

And check. A friend of mine right at the beginning of the election said to me "I hear Hillary Clinton is sick." I said to this person - she was tending towards Trump - "Really, where did you read this?" "On the internet." "Who said it?" "I don't know." "Where did he say it?" "I don't know." "What was the proof?" "I don't know."

The internet is a great gift but with every gift comes responsibility and we who care about facts - doesn't matter what your political outlook is - Conservative, right-wing, left-wing, it doesn't matter - check the facts. Check the truth. There are truths and we have to make sure we know them. 

Jane Garvey:

Good to talk to you, Deborah. Thank you very much.

Deborah Lipstadt:

Thank you very much for having me. 

Jane Garvey:

A great pleasure. Deborah Lipstadt. The film is Denial. Starring Rachel Weisz, Timothy Spall and Tom Wilkinson. It's a great film, well worth seeking out.

http://www.fpp.co.uk/trial/judgment/Lipstadt_judgment.pdf

http://thevoiceofreason-ann.blogspot.co.uk/2017/01/denialmovie.html

http://thevoiceofreason-ann.blogspot.co.uk/2017/01/my-review-of-denial.html

What Jesus said about Jews in his sermon on the Mount

John 8:44 "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it."


BBC Today Programme interview on Denial with David Irving, Timothy Spall and Richard Rampton QC

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denial_(2016_film)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08bbg1g

Nick Robinson:

Today a new film opens in the cinemas. It has a one-word title, a simple title: Denial. The denial it refers to is the denial of the Holocaust on this Holocaust Memorial Day. The movie tells a true story of a landmark legal case which established that David Irving who spent his life challenging survivors' accounts of the gas chambers was not as he said a historian, but was in fact a falsifier of history, motivated by anti-Semitism.

At a time when phrases like alternative facts and fake news are being bandied around, it shows how difficult establishing the truth can be. Sanchia Berg now reports.  

Sanchia Berg:

Excerpt of Denial with Timothy Spall as David Irving:

My lord, if we were to seek a title for this libel action, I would venture to suggest pictures of an execution: my execution. 

Timothy Spall as David Irving in the new film Denial. It tells the story of his libel trial seventeen years ago when he brought a case against the historian, Professor Deborah Lipstadt and Penguin Books, publishers of Denying the Holocaust.

[Timothy Spall's voice as David Irving continues:]

The word denier is particularly evil. For the chosen victim, it is like being called a wife-beater or a paedophile ... 

David Irving casts doubt on the scale of the Holocaust and what happened at Auschwitz. To win the case, Professor Lipstadt and her team had to prove he deliberately falsified history - something particularly resonant now. John Wilkinson plays the lead barrister in the case, Richard Rampton QC:

Mr Irving calls himself a historian. The truth is however that he is not a historian at all. He is a falsifier of history. To put it bluntly, he is a liar. 

David Irving claimed he was a sceptical historian; he was simply looking for the evidence. He questioned the gas chambers at Auschwitz, for instance, because there were no holes in the ruined roof.

[Timothy Spall's voice as David Irving:]

My lord, there are no holes in that roof. There never were any holes. Therefore they cannot have poured cyanide capsules through that roof.

That was challenged by experts for the defence. Lawyers and historians scoured David Irving's diaries, his writings, his speeches to demonstrate his racist views and to show they had influenced his interpretation of events. The trial took ten weeks. In the pause waiting for the verdict, I met David Irving in his Mayfair flat. He was still confident. 

David Irving:

If I carry the day on Auschwitz and I said this to the judge "If I am right on Crematorium No 2 on Auschwitz and as far as I am concerned I am right on my position on the Holocaust: that it has been grossly inflated and there has been a hell of a lot lying by the eye-witnesses, and I don't have to prove I am right on the other counts as well."

Sanchia Berg:

David Irving had never been to Auschwitz while I had spent three years in Poland as Warsaw Correspondent.

Sanchia Berg interviewing David Irving:

I have been to Auschwitz myself many times.  

David Irving:

What did they show you when you went to Auschwitz?

Sanchia Berg:

They showed me what they show everybody.

David Irving:

Did they show you the gas chamber?

Sanchia Berg:

You know the Germans blew them up as they left.  

David Irving:

Somebody blew them up. I don't think it was necessarily the Germans. It was either the Russians or the Germans. We don't know which. This is the kind of extraordinary grey area which has not been properly researched. 

Sanchia Berg [triumphantly]:

That was not the judge's view. His verdict was damning. He said David Irving had for his own ideological reasons persistently and deliberately misrepresented and manipulated historical evidence. David Irving's reputation, already on the wane, was destroyed, but on the internet, Holocaust Denial lives on, unchecked, along with many other dubious claims.

Timothy Spall:

People are very good at making noises that make things seem like they are irrefutable but how can one call out that fact when it is being shaped in another way. It is not something you can just call immediately. You have to be an expert.

Sanchia Berg:

That's what happens in the film, doesn't it? Because you need a tremendous amount of work and researchers going through all these pages of his diaries. You might think it was all pretty straightforward to say "You're just wrong", but it isn't. 

Timothy Spall:

No, no, it is difficult. It's very difficult to get to the truth and ironically, in the Information Age, which we would have thought meant channels to the truth is in fact obfuscating the truth.

Nick Robinson:

Timothy Spall there talking about Denial. One of the other stars is the real life QC - the man who did expose David Irving as a liar - Richard Rampton QC who joins us on the line. Good morning to you, Mr Rampton. Why did it matter then to give so much of your life? Why does it matter now to establish one man's books didn't tell the truth about the Holocaust?

Richard Rampton:

It was about three years, I suppose. Because I was asked to do it and people at the Bar do. You don't have a choice. You stand in a cab rank, someone hails you, you have to let them in. That's what happened to me. It turned out to have been the most fascinating case. In one sense I didn't know anything about the history of it. I do now. 

Nick Robinson:

Do you think it was a good use of your three years? If so, why?

Richard Rampton:

Yes, I do. Because - I think, I still think, perhaps I'm a bit old fashioned - that truth matters. I think truth matters particularly when it concerns an event of such horrendous quality. It was the worst, probably the worst massacre, if you'd like to call it that, in the world's history - considering the scale of it and the fact that it was done deliberately during wartime.  

Nick Robinson:

People may think you could have lined up a series of survivors - people who saw the gas chambers, but the point of the very way you ran that trial - the point of the film indeed - is that that wouldn't do. You had to do something else, did you not, in order to win this case?

Richard Rampton [waffling nonsensically]:

Yes, we had to uproot the source of the poison. Putting deniers in the witness box would have gone some way. [sic] There some of the evidence of the existence of the Holocaust at Auschwitz in particular but by no means the whole of it. [sic] What we had to do was prove that one of the leading Holocaust Deniers. [sic]  

Holocaust denial is not only a falsification of history, it is an expression of anti-Semitism. 

If we can uproot, as I say, the source of the poison then perhaps the house would fall down.

Nick Robinson:

Do you worry that you couldn't in a sense repeat this now whereas it was possible in a court about a single book to prove it was true or not, the internet has no certification of truth - anything goes, people can say what they like?

Richard Rampton:

I quite agree with you. I think it is horrifying in one sense. I think the answer is probably education. I have three children and seven grandchildren and not a single one of them has any single bother distinguishing between what I might call post truth or relative truth or mad opinion from what I call real truth. They, unlike me, spend a lot of time on social media and so on and they are all familiar with Twitter and Instagram, Facebook and all that and they have no problem about distinguishing between matters from what is froth and poison and that kind of thing, but it does matter if it gets hold of people then people can start doing nasty things and then it is dangerous.

[Do you suspect, dear reader, that Richard Rampton's children and grandchildren are not quite as clever and wise as he makes them out to be and that Nick Robinson gave him a very easy ride with his bluff nonsense and never challenged him sufficiently or at all in this interview? Isn't it also very annoying the way Richard Rampton runs his sentences together so it is hard to interrupt him when he comes out with his rubbish? He was shown in the film as doing nothing more than being very rude about David Irving in court. The tactic of not calling Deborah Lipstadt or any Holocaust survivor to avoid them being cross-examined by David Irving was Antony Julius's idea, according to the film, not that old windbag's. They must have known how disastrous it would have been if David Irving had had a chance to expose her for the philosophically inconsistent position she held. On the one hand, she assumed that anyone who doubted the Holocaust must be an anti-Semite and to be libelled without the law's punishment, and on the other hand she did not want Holocaust Denial to be a crime. On the one hand, she believed in free speech, but on the other hand, she believes that there is only one view one is legally allowed to hold on the Holocaust without losing one's right to be defamed at will by the likes of her and suffering serious financial and reputational damage as a result of being libelled.]

http://www.fpp.co.uk/trial/judgment/Lipstadt_judgment.pdf

http://thevoiceofreason-ann.blogspot.co.uk/2017/01/denialmovie.html

http://thevoiceofreason-ann.blogspot.co.uk/2017/01/my-review-of-denial.html

http://thevoiceofreason-ann.blogspot.co.uk/2017/01/jane-garvey-interviews-deborah-lipstadt.html

What Jesus said about Jews in his sermon on the Mount

John 8:44 "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it."

Sunday, 15 January 2017

#Denialmovie







Poppy Mania Day prevents any rational and impartial analysis of the insanity of UK foreign policy for the past 100 years




David Irving in 2000 with his matinee idol looks at 62 still largely intact.

But look who they got to play him. 



In case I am accused of anti-Semitism because I dare to declare David Irving handsome, let me say Bryan Appleyard agrees with me too at http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/spielberg-would-have-cut-me-up-with-style-0lm0dt3pt?shareToken=6f75f637aaf6b6947775a1b1e76879b8 



Why does it have to be 6 million? 
Because it says so in the Kabbalah, and was therefore fore-ordained.
It is like a magic number.
This is the most cogent and easily understandable explanation of the Holocaust Denial industry.
http://www.thebirdman.org/Index/Jews/Jews-History&ScripturalOriginOfThe6MillionNumber.htm




http://thevoiceofreason-ann.blogspot.co.uk/2017/01/bbc-today-programme-interview-on-denial.html

What Jesus said about Jews in his sermon on the Mount

John 8:44 "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it."


Tuesday, 27 January 2015

A historical analysis of Holocaust Memorial Day

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Thirty_Years%27_War

Sunday, 7 December 2014

David Irving may be banned from the US and continues to be *victimised* by Western governments who pride themselves on their "free speech"





Sunday, 7 December 2014
To: Claire Khaw 



Dear Claire,

I'm not writing just because it's Christmas, but because it is something like an emergency. I've beaten Germany, where the permanent ban (imposed in November 1993) has this month been lifted after two Court hearings and a three-year battle by my brave lawyer - because such a ban violates European law, which did not exist when it was slapped on me. The Court even ordered the Bavarian Government to pay all the costs.

But now a new ban threatens or may be already in place, the United States - I will find out when I apply for a new visa to replace the costly one they tore up. I fear that the USA has joined Canada, New Zealand, Australia - where I can't even visit my daughter and her family - and other countries where the enemies of Real History have gained the upper hand. I don't have to tell you that this latest one threatens to be the costliest ban of all.

My books are not banned anywhere in the world, nor the videos of me speaking; but I am.

I am working on my last three titles: Himmler, nearly finished; Churchill's War, vol.3, almost complete (vol.1 is at the "shipyard", being refurnished for a new print edition equivalent in quality to the second); and Memoirs, also almost complete.

But I keep running dangerously low in funds, like right now, and I have only you folks as a back-up to fall back on. Since the 1990s mainstream publishers have not dared print my books. So contribute what you can, if you can, by check, cash, or bank transfer. You'll get a personal letter of thanks from me and, if and when I next speak near you, a personal shake of the hand. In my years it has shaken a lot of Hands, I don't have to tell you!

Yours sincerely,
David Irving



If you care about free speech, please send David Irving a Christmas card with a cheque or click the link to donate by credit card. 

It is shameful how he has been victimised for having an alternative version of history.  

What number is Holocaust Denial?

Why should saying the wrong number result in career and social death?

Why can't any of us discuss this without being victimised by our governments?

Why even pretend we have free speech?

Free speech: the free speech of people whose views you dislike is your free speech too.

British establishment more invested in the idea of punishing David Irving than Zionist Jews


Please cheer David Irving up by making him a credit transfer or sending him both a cheque and a scratch card.

David Irving - imprisoned for saying the wrong number and giving a version of history that departed from the victor's version in the "free" West.



https://www.national-lottery.co.uk/games/scratchcards/prizes



Please give generously to free speech and make David Irving feel that he did the right thing in standing up for what he believes to be the truth. He didn't have to do this and could easily have been a successful TV historian if he had decided to parrot the victor's version.

Polish company says Nazi toys are a ‘fun way’ to learn about history



David Irving told us that in wartime he would look at the Gamages catalogue and dream of all the toys he wanted and couldn't have.  He was told he couldn't have toys because of a nasty man called Hitler and that was what really made him become a historian.  

Please give generously to David Irving, and to free speech, especially for historians. If we do not learn from history we will be condemned to repeat our mistakes.

Marx: "History first enacts itself  as tragedy, then repeats itself as farce."

British establishment more invested in the idea of punishing David Irving than Zionist Jews

Buy WW1, get WW2 *absolutely free*! How to lose your World Empire acquired with the blood, sweat and tears of your ancestors in 30 years

Second Thirty Years' War

Mark Parker entertains doubts

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