Claire Khaw described as "timid" by the Liberty Belles

https://femalefedupwithfeminism.wordpress.com/2017/06/10/being-targeted-by-hope-not-hate/

Elizabeth Hobson complaining about Hope Not Hate:

I was warned about how people with views like mine are targeted and harassed.

Is being written about in unflattering terms "being targeted and harassed"?

I, personally, would not say so. Indeed, I would say that the writer is guilty of exaggeration to draw attention to her victimhood - a feminine trait.

someone has clearly decided that it’s time make sure we are silenced before the public has a chance to hear what we actually think.

Who is silencing her?

It is clear that for him to be publicly supported by women is something that leftist ideologues must avoid at all costs.

I would have used "discourage" for "avoid".

we are branded ‘far-right extremists’ without one single example of our views being put forward as evidence for this.

Lawerence chose his words quite carefully.

"L4DP founder member Elizabeth Hobson is a vocal supporter of Davies and has shared platforms with some of the most prominent extreme-right figures active in the UK and overseas."

"Raymond was seen entering an Extremist Club meeting in April, which was addressed by veteran anti-feminist and Nazi-apologist Claire Khaw, who was due to speak on the importance of establishing a one-party theocracy in the UK to eradicate the “matriarchy”."

I did not mention the Extremists Club at all to David Lawerence.

When asked the extent of my involvement and previous interactions with the Liberty Belles, I distanced myself from the ridiculous campaign to ban male circumcision as an expression of unstated antisemitism and Islamophobia and said I was due to have a debate with Natty Kadifa about my proposal for a one party theocracy to eradicate feminism and overthrow the matriarchy.

I repeat: I did *not* mention the Extremists Club.

The words used by Lawerence should give you enough of an indication that your being seen entering an Extremist Club meeting was nothing to do with me:

Raymond was seen entering an Extremist Club meeting in April, which was addressed by veteran anti-feminist and Nazi-apologist Claire Khaw, who was due to speak on the importance of establishing a one-party theocracy in the UK to eradicate the “matriarchy”.

http://thevoiceofreason-ann.blogspot.co.uk/2017/06/according-to-left-social-conservatism.html

I do after all propose a one party theocracy. Natty was at my talk last Tuesday.
3 May at 19:03 

A reasonably careful reading of Natty's post on 3 May 2017 would have revealed this piece of information.

MY EMAIL COMMUNICATIONS WITH DAVID LAWERENCE

Wednesday, 31 May 2017, 13:40
From: David Lawerence

Dear Claire Khaw

Could you please clarify the extent of your invovlement with the group the Liberty Belles?

Yours sincerely

David Lawrence
Researcher
HOPE not hate

Wednesday, May 31, 2017 12:46:13 AM
To: David Lawerence
They want nothing to do with me, predictably!



Thursday, 1 June 2017, 10:06
From: David Lawerence

Thank you Claire.

Could you specify the nature of your previous interractions with members of the group?

Regards
David

Thursday, 1 June 2017, 10:24
To: David Lawerence

I have taken great care to distance myself from their campaign to ban male circumcision on the grounds that it is antisemitic, Islamophobic, hypocritical and a distraction from the message of anti-feminism. 

http://thevoiceofreason-ann.blogspot.co.uk/2017/02/the-proposal-to-ban-male-circumcision.html  

Natty Kadifa said she would debate me last month, but this has yet to take place.

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I am now accused of the Liberty Belles of being "timid". In fact, I am still keen to have a debate while Natty is making her excuses and has blocked me.

10 June 2017

Natty Kadifa Claire, you blew your chance to have this debate when you started being a horrible bitch in our private conversation.

So I'm not interested in debating you.

It's not because of your strong views you are told to piss off, by various people, it is because you are a bully.

Sociopathic characteristics even.

Keep hating on us if you must. But I've kept my views about you in the open.

I'll be blocking you now.

Claire Khaw How have I bullied you or anyone else?

Claire Khaw I knew you would find some excuse to back out of this debate.

Claire Khaw In what way have I displayed "sociopathic characteristics"?

Claire Khaw You are projecting when you claim I hate you.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

Psychological projection - Wikipedia

Natty Kadifa Doth protest too much me thinks

Lol

Claire Khaw Please tell the others what it was that I said to you in our private conversation that you found so intolerable.

THE PRIVATE CONVERSATION

3 JUNE 01:10

Natty
did you set up this article?
http://hopenothate.org.uk/2017/06/02/tory-politician-links-extreme-far-right/

3 JUNE 07:26

Claire
Of course I didn't set it up.
Setting up something suggests I initiated the article by getting in touch with HnH. They did however get in touch with me and asked me if I ever had any contact with the Liberty Belles. I said they wanted nothing to do with me.

Natty
So you told them that I met you ?

Claire
Yes. [I said yes, but actually, I didn't say that in my email response to David Lawerence, although our meeting was mentioned at http://thevoiceofreason-ann.blogspot.co.uk/2017/06/according-to-left-social-conservatism.html also referred to above.]

Natty
Why do I think you contacted them?

Claire
Why would I?

Natty
If you told them we don't want anything to do with you. Then some evidence would be nice. They don't mention that what So ever

Claire
I am not going to lie when asked a direct follow up question.
I hardly gave them the impression we are best mates.

Natty
Is this by email?

Claire
The article said you went to a meeting at which I was speaking, which was quite restrained of them.
Yes, they approached me by email.

Natty
I've asked them to remove the blatant lie

Claire
What blatant lie?
It was your YouTube interview with Philip Davies  that let the cat out of the bag.
I am associated with antifeminism and I did blog about my position on male circumcision so that was why they came to me, I guess.
Liz giving a talk at the infamous London Forum was the worst thing you guys did in publicity terms, but I was nothing to do with that.
So if anyone is blaming you for being at a meeting I was also at, that was a drop in the ocean of bad publicity compared to Liz speaking at the London Forum.
What blatant lie are you referring to?
You yourself have told me Liberty Belles want nothing to do with me. Is that the "blatant lie" you are on about?
Are you accusing me of telling a "blatant lie"?
If so please state the lie you think I told so we both know what we are talking about.
3 JUNE 09:25

Natty
Not you
The lie that they asked us to comment

Claire
Comment on what?
Oh, comment on it before it was published?

Natty
In the article it says that we declined to comment
They never asked us

Claire
I knew Liz speaking at the London Forum would bite you guys on the bum as soon as I saw it.
I hope you are going to strike while the iron's hot.
After the election nobody's going to care.
How did it go on Wednesday?

Natty
Strike with what exactly?

Claire
Have the debate before polling day, obviously.
That was what I was suggesting all along.

Natty
You don't get it do you?
We are not in this for short term controversy
Even though I like controversy lol but that's not the point of the l4pd

Claire
You are missing an opportunity, but your attitude does not surprise me at all.
You did media studies, didn't you?
You are going to wait till all this quietens down, and start again, when nobody will care.
Philip Davies will never speak to you again now.

Natty
Why would a debate with you be worth anything
Seriously
Only people in our circles would care

Claire
Why would you *not* want the publicity?
What did they teach at media studies anyway? How to *avoid* publicity?

Natty
My point is that you won't bring any lol
Lol what on earth

Claire
You are easily put off, aren't you?
It is a real opportunity, but you are going to ignore it. Typical.

Natty
You completely overestimate that people care what you have to say p

Claire
You are going to say something boring when nobody cares again.

Natty
What opportunity?

Claire
They will care about feminism and Philip Davies from now till 8 June.
So weird you can't see it.

Natty
And what exactly would a debate with YOU with
I never said I can't see that
Lol

Claire
I assume you want the Liberty Belles to be better known.

Natty
I said Why on earth would we want to do it with you
Not until we have actual content

Claire
I suppose if you did that Belinda Brown would run away, and that's what you're afraid of.
Of course she would run away.

Natty
No lol

Claire
If she hasn't run away by now.
Have you spoken to her, or is she not taking your calls?

Natty
Lol
Your such a sociopath

Claire
Wright and Kitkiss will have run away.
How am I a sociopath? I know what will happen.

Natty
Look at you, getting off on the thought of breaking up the group
Does it make you smile?

Claire
How have I broken up the group?

Natty
That. No one cares about you
No lol you think that's going to happen
Lol

Claire
I am just telling you what would give Liberty Belles the most publicity.
And what to expect.

Natty
Sorry Why would it be a good thing to have publicity with you
Unless it is to point out how much I think you are too authoritarian
No one outside of our circles would care

Claire
Yes, point out whatever you want to point out.
And give your side of the story, obviously.

Natty
No one else would care

Claire
And you're going to pass up the opportunity.

Natty
Lol

Claire
Yes, they would. People gunning for PD [Philip Davies] would.

Natty
Right

Claire
The Tory Party would, the international media would.
But you're not going to do it because you're scared.

Natty
The Tory party wouldn't care
No because no one cares

Claire
Of course they would. They wouldn't want to lose a seat.
You just don't want to do it because you are scared.

Natty
Lol

Claire
So no one cares, then nothing happens.
You have nothing to lose.

Natty
And What would happen

Claire
Who knows.
Just do it and then upload it or not.
At least fucking do it.
Do it and then decide what you are going to do with it, instead of not doing it at all.
This is so basic, I can't believe I have to tell you this.
Right, you go discuss it with someone whose opinion you respect.
Not Belinda Brown because she won't be taking your calls!
Kitsis is gone!
So is Wright. Foregone conclusion.
Talk later, Natty.

Natty
Lol
Your strategy of bullying me isn't working me Claire
Bullying isn't the right word

Claire
Bullying?!

Natty
What is the right word?

Claire
I would describe what I am doing as EXHORTATION.

Natty
I duno...Is it...middle aged.attention whore who can't make her own valuable content?
Who has to bait others trying to do something?

Claire
Just giving you my objective advice if you want publicity for antifeminism.
But it seems you don't.

Natty
I have such a glutton the for conflict I'm my own worst enemy by being intrigued by you lol
Yes I understand that

Claire
"All publicity is good publicity" if you have a cause.
Even bad publicity is just the opportunity to correct misconceptions.
The worst thing is silence, when people refusing to even ask questions. You just got somewhere, but you want it the interest to die down so you can start from scratch again. Pathetic.

Natty
I agree
And we haven't given silence

Claire
What do you mean you haven't "given silence"?

Natty
We commented about it already
You are quite nasty
I thought you might be useful. But your just an abusive ass hole

Claire
Commented on what?

Natty
Don't message me anymore
I'm not interested in you trying to manipulate me

Claire
Ah yes. Pretend to be offended and then disengage. Gotcha.
I am presenting you with facts and rational arguments. I am sorry you find them unanswerable and have to pretend they are abuse.  Very feminine though!

Natty
I'm. Not offend lol
I just think you really shoot yourself in the foot
I had agreed to do something with you and then you go and do this

Claire
Do WHAT?

Natty
And then try and manipulate me by inferring I'll loose the group

Claire
What did I do?

Natty
Your the dark triad version of feminine
Your like the black widow who eats her man

Claire
Are you accusing me of murder now?

Natty
Not literally

Claire
You are getting hysterical, aren't you?

Natty
Like symbolically
Omg

Claire
You will be accusing me of witchcraft next.

Natty
Lol
Nope
Self awareness isn't your strong suite I get it
I ain't doing this debate with you at all
And I most certainly wasn't going to do it before the election
And all your tactics of trying to piss me off ain't working
So, kindly piss off

Smoking a peace pipe

https://www.facebook.com/groups/397706213677126/455075911273489/?notif_t=group_comment_reply

http://ask.fm/oneparty4all

Q:  How does dave jones compare with the typical ethno nationalist, is he representative of their income levels, education and intelligence?

A:  Dave Jones has great energy and drive. Perhaps there are no "typical" nationalists once you have gotten to know them individually.

Q:  what would the immediate repercussions be of you and Dave Jones publicly burying the hatchet? would you expect positive or negative feedback from your facebook friends?

A:  A mixture, I imagine.

Q:  "A reconciliation between Dave Jones and I would mean that ethno nationalists would have to start discussing becoming officially and unambiguously civic nationalist seriously. " - can you elaborate on how 2 insignificant people can cause this?

A:  I can hardly imagine that such a reconciliation would pass without comment and that nationalists in general would not speculate on what it all means.

Q:  You have a few public fallings out with people over the years, what excites you the most about a reconciliation with Dave Jones compared to the other people?

A:  Who else have I fallen out with apart from Dave? A reconciliation between Dave Jones and I would mean that ethno nationalists would have to start discussing becoming officially and unambiguously civic nationalist seriously.

Q:  apart from Dave Jones which prominent ethno nationalists would you like to convert?

A:  All of them at the BDP for starters.

Q:  Do you believe that Dave Jones would get a lot of stick from ethno nationalists for burying the hatchet?

A:  He is bound to.

Q:  How quickly would you be willing to bury the hatchet with Dave? does he literally just need to announce he is civic and he wants to be friends again?

A:  Yes.

Q:  How would hope not hate react to you and Dave Jones burying the hatchet in public and then hitting the campaign trail together to restore traditional conservative principles to British Politics in a meaningful way?

A:  I imagine they wouldn't be able to stop themselves from saying something about that.

Q:  How excited do you think the nationalist community are about a potential reconciliation between you and Dave Jones?

A:  Heh heh heh heh heh! HEH!

Q:  If the hate not hope reporter further asked you 1)can you think of any specific negative rhetoric that you aimed at him in public that you will no longer use, or tone down? 2)What makes you think that Dave going civic is enough to justify burying the hatchet 3)Is he of any value to you as an ally?

A:

1) Clearly, I would refrain from saying anything uncomplimentary about Dave if we were to bury the hatchet and smoke our peace pipe.

2) Going civic is not something that either the BDP or the BNP get at all despite my many attempts to discuss it with the head honchos there. They will continue to bumble along in their tired racist way because they know there is nothing I can do about it if they won't engage with me or let me in their party. As I have already said before, the racial nationalists in the BDP said they would vote UKIP in 2015 but cannot quite see how saying this means that they must logically acknowledge that civic nationalism has finally won the argument. The are really a bit thick and stubborn like that.

3) Dave would be useful to me and to nationalism if he reinforces the message that civic nationalism is the only way forward if nationalists don't want to be completely eclipsed by UKIP.

Q:  why do you say that Dave Jones is a thorn in the side of the established parties, when the number of votes he gets is pathetic and he has no chance of ever being elected because he is obviously a loser with no money or even water or electricity, that everybody laughs at

A:  There was a time when the LibLabCon turned the contest into a two horse race because they feared he might split the vote and get through.

Q:  If you were to make a public offer of a reconciliation to Dave Jones, how would you word it, word for word? would you attach any other conditions apart from him going civic?

A:  It is crucial to emphasise the importance of becoming civic nationalists. There is nothing else I want to do now apart from bring home the message that nationalism should now become civic nationalism in order to compete with UKIP who can't even bring themselves to say the N word.

Q:  If the hate not hope reporter further asked you 1)Now that Dave Jones has become civic, does it boost his chances of becoming a Councillor? 2)Are you be willing to go out of your way to help Dave Jones local election campaign, more than ever before 3)Do you respect Daves alternative lifestyle choice

A:

1) He was civic last time. He probably won't ever get elected but he should be there as a thorn in the side of the LibLabCon.
2) Jeffrey Marshall likes visiting Todmorden so we would both go up together.
3) Different strokes for different folks.

Q:  Would you like to take this opportunity to issue an open letter to Dave Jones suggesting a reconciliation and explain why it is not only in the national interest but also in the interests of British nationalism and also in his own interests
A:  There is no need really. All he has to do is read this. You could ask him similar questions, I suppose.

Q:  If the hate not hope reporter further asked you 1)Who was responsible for the original feud 2)if you keep calling dave a loser still will it upset him? 3) Do you intend to be less harsh in your words to Dave from now? 4)Do you still consider Dave to mentally unstable for politics?

A:

1) I put my hands up to saying he was typing like a retard and he may just put his hands up to over-reacting to that.

2) If I did want a reconciliation I wouldn't be calling him a loser, would I? The fact is that nationalists are losers, I am afraid. All Eurosceptics so far have also been losers.

3) I am certainly prepared to refrain from being gratuitously offensive about Dave.

4) As far as I can tell, his emotions are something he can control if he wills it and chooses to do so. Perhaps the last few years have taught him how necessary it is to always be in charge of one's emotions.

Q:  has answering all these hypothetical questions wet your appetite for a reconciliation with Dave? is it to far fetched to think it could happen next year?

A:  I am certainly open to the idea. If he is open to the idea I see no reason why it cannot happen this year.

Q:  If the hate not hope reporter further asked you 1)Does burying the hatchet help dave jones restore some credibility after his public breakdown? 2) Would you ever be willing to campaign on the streets with Dave again? 3) How will you approach your differences with Dave on SSMs and feminism?

A:

1) Of course.
2) I don't see why not if we do bury the hatchet.
3) It is not necessary for him to go on about SSMs and feminism in a local election.

Q:  If the hate not hope reporter further asked you 1)Why was it so important to you for Dave to go civic, considering that you said he was a loser? 2) what does Dave add to civic nationalism? 3) Will Dave Jones peasant lifestyle undermine the image of civic nationalism 4) Is this a gamble for you?

A:

1) It is important for me to promote civic nationalism because it is the only way forward for British nationalism. This is because most decent white people don't see themselves as racist and don't want to be seen as racists. UKIP's success should be enough to show that the civic nationalists have won the argument. Did you know that most of the racial nationalists at the 21 September 2013 meeting in London said they would vote UKIP in 2015? If UKIP does well in 2015, how likely are people to suddenly start voting BNP at the next general election? It is obvious to me that ethno-nationalism is now a dead duck. Dave started out as an ethno-nationalist who had come to the conclusion and had plucked up the courage to say that civic nationalism is the only way forward. If this is now his view again, then he should certainly say it if he believes it. Maybe if he can bring himself to stick to this view, even if he were to later fall out with me again, then he would be seen as a man of principle. There are losers in all political parties and outside politics. Dave is less likely to remain a loser if he is still prepared to consider different and imaginative ideas of promoting his principles.

2) Dave adds himself to civic nationalism. Because of the perceived extremism of his views, he would be reinforcing the message that civic nationalism is the only way forward after his Damascene conversion.

3) I don't see that being a peasant necessarily disqualifies him from being a civic nationalist.

4) Of course I am taking a chance on this.

Q:  If a hate not hope reporter further asked you 1) Does this burying the hatchet further cement you and Dave's image as a couple of cranks? 2) given all the previously nasty words said between you, is this just a cheap publicity stunt? 3) Will burying the hatchet get dave more votes in tod, if so, why

A:

1) It is possible that we will always be viewed as a couple of cranks. It doesn't bother me that much because I am already used to it, and so should he be by now.

2) I don't see why our reconciliation should be described as "cheap" if it is genuine, pragmatic and furthers our political objectives.

3) Burying the hatchet would give Dave more votes because he becomes a more interesting and capable personality for being able to contemplate and effect this reconciliation.

Q:  If the hope not hate reporter further asked you 1)Do you wish to retract any previous suggestion that Dave may find you sexually attractive? 2) What is your message to Nick Griffin in light of these events? 3) Which nationalists would you most like to see follow suit and bury the hatchet

A:

1) Please note that I did not at any time say that I thought Dave found me sexually attractive. Others did. I am happy to say that at no time did he give any suggestion of having lecherous intentions towards me in all the time I knew him.

2) My message to Nick Griffin is that not everyone who crosses him and who is expelled from the BNP is finished in nationalism.

3) I want all nationalists to get along with each other and work for The Cause as effectively and efficiently as they can. The most important thing is that they should be nice to each other and shut up about Jews, Muslims and other races. There is no need to talk about them at all to make our point. It is also completely idiotic to allow the personal to completely overshadow The Cause, so just forgive and forget and resolve to be nice to each other next time you meet. about 14 hours ago

Q:  If the hate not hope reporter further asked you 1)Can Dave Jones be trusted to stick with civic giving his history of mental instability 2)What have you learned from the feud? 3)Does this public ceremony boost your public credibility? 4)which of your political objectives does this most further?

A:

1) Who knows? Best foot forward though, eh?

2) I have learnt that people who don't get my ideas just love the soap opera side of my political life.

3) There really is no need for a public ceremony. A joint public announcement would suffice. The purpose of the reconciliation would be to demonstrate that ethno and civic nationalists can bury their differences and work together. I don't see how that wouldn't give me and Dave more credibility.

4) My objective is to drag the BNP and BDP kicking and screaming, moaning and groaning, crying and wailing away from the darkness and gloom of ethno nationalism and into the sweetness and light of civic nationalism. Making up with Dave would be an excellent way of reinforcing this message, if he is prepared to say he is civic nationalist again.

Q:  at the hatchet burying ceremony in fancy dress, a Hope not hate reporter asks you the following questions 1)Why was it in the national interest for you to end your feud with Dave 2) What are the future implications 3)Will you support dave politically again 4)what do you and dave gain from this

A:

1) Dave Jones is now a civic nationalist again and civic nationalism is the only way nationalists can now compete with UKIP. (This is all hypothetical, of course.)

2) If civic nationalism is now the new nationalist orthodoxy, then Claire Khaw will inevitably become an important figure on the nationalist scene. This would be a good thing because only she can rehabilitate the reputation of nationalism after so many years of being represented solely by Nick Griffin in its antisemitic, Islamophobic racist versions.

3) Dave Jones is serving the purpose of being the stick with which the voters of Todmorden can beat the LibLabCon. I see no reason not to support this.

4) Dave and I would be credited for creating an environment in which the BNP and the BDP will be driven to embrace civic nationalism as the only viable way forward to political respectability and electoral success. It would be a shame to leave the stage entirely to UKIP. about 15 hours ago

Q:  Do you believe that a public hatchet burying ceremony between you and Dave Jones could encourage other civic/ethno nationalists to quash their beef?

A:  I think it might very well be helpful in encouraging nationalists to work together.

Q:  would you be willing to attend the hatchet burying ceremony in fancy dress as a red indian if hope not hate sent a photographer and would you be willing to do an exclusive interview?

A:  The idea of dressing in a Pocahontas costume rather appeals, I have to confess.

Q:  if you and dave issued a public statement together explaining why you have buried the hatchet, ideally what would it say word for word

"Having decided to bury the hatchet on our differences, we wish to continue making the point that the only viable way for British nationalism to grow in strength as a moral and intellectual force in this country is through civic nationalism. Because Nationalism is now the only force for Conservatism in this country in a political and cultural environment of extremist liberalism, it is important that nationalists have a chance to discuss other issues without forever being bogged down by being repeatedly accused of racism by the media. The reason nationalism appears to have failed is because it has been solely and exclusively represented by Nick Griffin who neither wishes to nurture and cultivate talent nor entertain any successful leadership challenges against him by better people. Nick Griffin wishes to remain in power for the sake of remaining in power and to this he must necessarily keep the BNP small and its membership docile. Dave and I wish to promote nationalism as an intellectual and moral force for all the people's of Britain and see the futility of threatening to send non-white British citizens home either forcibly or voluntarily. It is time for nationalism to move on from merely proposing the expulsion of disliked peoples to putting forward the principles of good government that would please all the peoples of Britain, regardless of race and religion."

Labour MP spreads hatred against 'Fascistic' Islamists

“There are people living in this country who believe as an article of faith that it is acceptable, even necessary, to kill citizens of any country which has dared to attack a Muslim country. They believe that the kaffir, as they insultingly refer to non-believers, are of less value to their God than Muslims. They despise a culture which extends equal rights to women and gays, and scorn those women who dare to dress “immodestly” as whores.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10095914/Fascistic-Islamists-spread-violence-and-hatred-Labour-MP-says.html
'Fascistic' Islamists spread violence and hatred, Labour MP says

A few questions for Tom Harris MP:

1. What is the purpose of Britain attacking so many Muslim countries?
2. If you are Muslim - and Muslims are supposed to regard other Muslims as brothers and sisters - then it is understandable that you should be angry and upset that your government is attacking and killing your brothers and sisters for no good reason.  
3. If you believe in the God Muslims believe in and practise your faith, surely it would be only natural to think that your God would look upon you more favourably than the people who deny His existence and who look upon your religion with hatred and contempt?
4. Why should you not despise a culture which clearly goes against what you know to be God's commandments?
5. Women who dress immodestly are either whores or sluts, since they seek by their dress to attract the attention of men with a view to having extramarital sex with them, which is forbidden in the Koran, for it advises Muslims to dress modestly.  Tom Harris himself once said of single mothers that they were an army marching us to "national catastrophe"at http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/mar/05/welfare-children   
6. How does he proposed to avert our national catastrophe of being overwhelmed by a tsunami of singly parenting sluts and whores if he refuses to propose policies that would discourage them in the first place?  To have our omelet, eggs must be broken, Tom!   
7. Is the expression of any form of social conservatism in strong terms a form of fascism now?

It does appear that Tom Harris is now encroaching on BNP territory.  Not only that, he is adopting the twisted logic of the BNP, which consists of on the one hand agreeing with the social conservatism that all the Abrahamic faiths promote, while on the other disagreeing with Muslims whatever they say, to show hatred for them, even though they secretly agree with them.   

Is Tom Harris sure he wants to go down the BNP route of demonising Muslims while refusing to acknowledge anything wrong with British society that a good Muslim might dislike?   

“Yet preachers of hate as well as their followers and fellow travellers, worship in the same buildings, speak to, work with, and are related to that sensible majority. And those law-abiding citizens have a duty to challenge them, expel them and, if necessary, report them to the authorities.”

What is it that Tom Harris is saying should no longer be sayable?

I hope he is not saying that we may no longer oppose gay marriage or questions the morals of these women who become the "national catastrophe" that is single mothers.

If so, what a shame.  I once thought he was witty and courageous and thought he might one day even be a leadership contender.   

Hope Not Hate should take note of Tom Harris MP's future pronouncements on the subject and note for further similarities to the BNP line.   

The BNP, to be fair to them, have always been against the invasion and bombing of Muslim countries.   http://www.bnp.org.uk/policies/foreign-affairs  This cannot be said of the Labour Party or of the voting record of Tom Harris MP.  

Corrections to Matthew Collins's account of the break-up of the Khaw & Jones alliance

http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/blog/article/2329/far-right-round-up

Matthew Collins's report is so full of falsehoods and inaccuracies that I have had to break his report down into single sentences to deal with each and every falsehood and inaccuracy as the occur in each sentence.

"Well, let’s begin with the news that all soap opera fans have been dreading: The odd couple of David Jones and Claire Khaw have split. Needless to say, Dave has not taken it too well."

This is the only sentence of Matthew Collins's report that is accurate.  Dave in fact threatened suicide at the weekend and I had to call the police.  I am surprised Collins missed that.

"Having invited his Chinese Nazi friend up to his farm to play with guns and swastikas, she has decided that he is too “low class” to continue their friendship."

This sentence is an ungrammatical non sequitur clearly unworthy of deconstruction, let alone comment.   I am not a Nazi either.  To be a Nazi, I would have to be a politically-active Aryan German national living in Germany when Hitler was in power.  Clearly, this is impossible.

"Apparently it boils down to not just David being a “loser” (her words), but also his being “low class” having only three pence of credit on his phone the night he was supposed to text her the result of his most recent electoral drubbing."

It is always exasperating when the facts are already online and Collins still cannot be bothered to do his research properly or at all.  A blow by blow account of how this break-up took place can be read at
http://thevoiceofreason-ann.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/david-jones-publicly-calls-claire-khaw.html

It was not I who broke our friendship, but Dave who took it upon himself to unfriend me on Facebook on Thursday 8 November.

"unfriended,you,you,nasty,insulting,person!forget,all,frienship,what,there,was,of,it"

What follows was the exchange that led to it.

Thursday
14:09
Claire Khaw
You really should find access to a keyboard that works or not bother. Someone is going to take the mickey soon. It is like someone stuttering and stammering.

14:10
David Jones
yeah,i,know
participting,at,least.
[someone  whose name shall be nameless],is,fixing,us,up,a,printer
i,can,now,turn,out,1000,leaflets,a3,for,thirty,quid
that,eans,for,you,too
ok
i,thought,that,would,be,an,exciting,developent.
apparently,not.

14:18
Claire Khaw
It will be helpful for you.

14:19
David Jones
and,you.
don't,forgety,i,are,still,looking,to,work,as,a,tea

14:22
Claire Khaw
You will have the benefit of my advice as always.
It annoys me that you are too poor to have access to a working keyboard.
It is like having a political ally who is stuttering or has a speech impediment.

14:24
David Jones
as,opposed,to,soebody,who,won't,do,anthing,its,a,ter,glitch,your,keyboard,was,bust,too,not,so,long,ago.
was,looking,at,concrete,co,operation.
but,if,using,a,shit,keyboard,for,a,week,is,enough,to,treat,us,like,a,retard,then,just,forget,it.
at,least,i,fookin,try.

14:27
Claire Khaw
Fuck trying and failing.
Just give it up then.

14:27
David Jones
yeah,just,not,try,then,you,can,say,you,did't,fail

14:27
Claire Khaw
Typing like a retard is going to be so good for your image, eh?

14:28
David Jones
your,keyboard,was,bust,ages,ago

14:28
Claire Khaw
Then I got one that worked.

14:28
David Jones
this,ain't,y,pc,is,it.

14:29
Claire Khaw
You with your image problem typing like a retard.
Excuses, excuses.
At least I tried, is the usual excuse.
Don't bother doing it if you are going to do it badly.

14:29
David Jones
trying,is,ore,than,you,do.

14:30
Claire Khaw
Now I have to put up with you typing like a retard.
For how long?
sick of it.

14:30
David Jones
not,for,long

14:30
Claire Khaw
sick of retards.

14:30
David Jones
forget,it
calling,us,a,retard,now.
typical.
fucking,typical
showed,us,the,value,of,your,friendship,eh,well,calling,us,a,retard,is,the,last,straw.

"Being referred to as “low class” has clearly upset David (there’s about 597 comments on his facebook page as people tried to explain it to him). She also complained that David never once bought her dinner on the numerous times she went to his farm."

I never complained about that.  When Dave said:

"I spend my last £25 on you guys [giving you and Jeff dinner]"

I said:

"I seem to remember that Jeff and I bought you a two course meal in return, and on the last occasion too. The first time we visited we bought you a meal, leafleted for you, but did not receive a meal for our trouble, not that we were expecting anything.

How typically lower class of you to point this out. That is why you will never win, Dave.

No one would vote for a peasant with a massive chip on his shoulder like you.

Added to that, to want to wash your dirty linen in public like this shows a singular lack of judgement and a total absence of self-control.

I have not discussed this with anyone, not even Jeff. It is you who have chosen to do so bring this out in public, under the impression that doing so will do you credit."

'Poor old David, and to think he never once raised an eyebrow the million other times that single mother Khaw referred to other sing Mothers as “sluts”.'

Actually, I do not call all single mothers sluts.

Not all mothers are single mothers and not all single mothers are Slut Single Mothers ie SSMs ie Never Married Mothers.  (I am actually thinking of calling them Spinster Single Mothers, since this is a technical term for a woman who has never been married and whose offspring is illegitimate, to address the problem of so many people finding the term "slut" offensive.  It is my view that widespread illegitimacy causes degeneracy and could easily be stopped, if only the government would criticise them, rather than pandering to them.)

"Indeed, rather than campaign for Jones anymore, Khaw has decided she needs to rescue the reputation of serial child abuser Jimmy Savile instead!"

Actually, I think Jimmy Savile did probably do it, but am trying to stand up for the principle of being treated as innocent till proven guilty.

The Facebook page is at https://www.facebook.com/JusticeForJimmySavileAndTheBbc?fref=ts

I have been rather concerned about how such an important principle of justice could be infringed with so little protest.  It seems the majority of people are prepared to ride roughshod over this principle in order to show how compassionate they are and how much they feel for their victims as well as how much they hate paedophiles to the extent that they do not feel they deserve a fair trial and that the number of accusations made against the accused is ipso facto evidence of its truth.   These are all first year law student points, but I am under the impression that no one wishes to be seen to be defending the rights of anyone accused of being a paedophile, and are happy to assume their guilt.

"She does love a lost cause, which will no doubt please Khaw’s suitor Jeff Marshall, who I’m told was not a fan of travelling to Todmorden to keep a jealous eye on the two, while one of the idiots was waving a firearm around."

Jeffrey, who is not my suitor but a friend, was perfectly happy to come with me to Todmorden again.  We did not see any firearms at all at Dave's house.

I really do hope, for the sake of all who live in the West, that the principle of being treated as innocent till proven guilty is  not a lost cause, as Matthew Collins seems to be saying.

UKIP man wants to make non-Europeans second class citizens

I'm actually not opposed to a strong, unified Europe just the weak, fractious, liberal, secular, socially democratic one we have at the moment; hence my desire to escape from its clutches. The Imperium Europa concept is too socially liberal for me; it is also secular.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperium_Europa

My ideal would along the lines of the Roman Empire, restore classical education, underpinned by Christianity, an Imperator rather than a President, an Imperial Senate that meets in Rome with delegates from the nations of Europe; a fortress Europe that expels dissident elements, that is proudly European, that gives priority rights to European subjects and second rate ones to non Europeans. A European army assembled from national contingents under the command of outstanding European generals. An internally free trading Empire with Russia as an ally and trading freely with China, India and other developing nations.     

5 September 08:25

And below are his shockingly vengeful thoughts about what should happen to women who find themselves in need of an abortion:

If abortion must be countenanced then at least sterilise the defective life-bearer at the same time to prevent a repeat of this monstrousness from occurring in the future. Those who refuse to bear life when they took on board the responsibility to create it in the first place, ought not to be given a second chance.

5 September 22:29

If truth be told, this goes much further than the BNP (who only advocate voluntary repatriation and have no policy of sterilising women who have got themselves knocked up).

I find it rather galling that ex-BNP members who have not expressed such views cannot join UKIP while such a man who has expressed such a view is considered OK to stay in UKIP.

I wonder what Searchlight and Hope Not Hate have to say about this.

I have already suggested to UKIP a way of dealing with members who hold such views.


All UKIP members would be invited to sign a declaration that they will not so long as they remain in the party:

1.  promote a policy of the forcible repatriation of non-white British citizens

2.  promote apartheid

3.  promote any policy that discriminates either for or against any British citizen on racial grounds

on pain of expulsion.

This solution has been described as "ingenious" by Andrew Reed, UKIP spokesman in Brussels.  Sadly, they are still not going to do it.   Why not is a question that should be considered at conference with the utmost urgency and seriousness.

Although UKIP have refused to sell me a ticket on the grounds that I am an ex-BNP member, I intend to go to Birmingham to meet the more independent-minded type of UKIP activist.  It is quite disgraceful that UKIP are behaving as if they were a private club rather than a political party.  The longer they continue to confuse the nature of their role and the purpose of their activity, they shall remain the doldrums.

Should they admit me then doubtless they would have every intention of appointing me as their Director of Communications and Policy Consultant.   Once that is done, UKIP will go from strength to strength.

UKIP men must get over their fear of the likes of Maggie Chapman (a Scotswoman who about her four illegitimate grandchildren) and the likes of Ngaire Wadman who form a fearsome female cabal.

For this country to return to rationally small government, we must defeat feminism.  To defeat feminism, men must not be seen to be afraid of criticising SSMs (Slut Single Mums) and their Running Dogs (ie men who have sired illegitimate offspring and the grandparents of illegitimate grandchildren).  The worst way of desecrating the institution of marriage is to say, like Maggie does, that it is OK to have illegitimate grandchildren, that marriage is only a piece of paper and that it is optional even when you want to have children.

Men of UKIP, dare to discuss this with the woman of your life!

But you won't, because you are no longer men.   Pah.  

Jeffrey Marshall and I bump into Matthew Collins in Brick Lane

Jeffrey and me after meeting Matthew Collins in Brick Lane

Matthew Collins of Hate Not Hope

MC:  "Hello Jeffrey. What are you doing round here?"

He looked so like a BNP member that we were racking our brains wondering who he was and trying to remember his name.

JM:  "Why not? I live round here" or something like that.

MC:  "Enjoying Ramadan then?"

I nearly blurted out that we were going to try and get a free curry meal at East London Mosque last night too!

I can't remember what Jeffrey said but it was something not Islamophobic and certainly neutral.

Then he turned to me and said "Hello Claire".


I said hello and smiled vaguely. He literally turned on his heel and walked off in in the other direction.

CK:  "Who was that, Jeffrey?"

JM:   "That must have been Matthew Collins."

He literally turned on his heel and walked off.

We then we then went to this wonderful free exhibition at http://festival.london2012.com/events/9000966105 after stopping off at the beigel shop where Jeffrey had his hot salt beef.   That was where we saw the poster of this exhibition reported in the Mail at http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2178736/London-2012-Festival-ICA-BMW-customised-cars-Warhol-Hockney-Shoreditch.html?ITO=1490

You even get a free glossy colour brochure with better photos of all the lovely cars take more artistically than you can take yourself, though I couldn't resist taking a few of my own too.

Jeffrey Marshall with a BMW Art Car
http://thevoiceofreason-ann.blogspot.co.uk/2012/07/jeffrey-marshall-says-he-will-contest.html

An African design

Dave Jones sets the record straight with Hope Not Hate

"I find Hope Not Hates claim about me and Claire Khaw 'falling out' ridiculous. They take inferences and present them as facts, loaded with personal jibes against the target with no reference to the facts.


I have been refer ed to as a village idiot, a bore, a pub trawler and now they speculate as to my friendships.


I did not attend the meeting in Newcastle upon Tyne because, working in agriculture, work had to come first. Being degenerate student types who never worked a day in their lives I don't expect Hope Not Hates support base to grasp that concept.


I do not regret allowing Claire Khaw to campaign with me for one second. She and I find ourselves in agreement on the issue of feminism and family. Contrary to what Hope Not Hate say, our friendship and political co-operation is strong and I will be working with her in upcoming local elections and by elections to make certain the anti-feminist message is heard loud and clear."

Nationalist Unity Personified

Hope Not Hate claim me as an employee to discredit me

http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/blog/article/1927/guess-who-came-to-dinner#.T8ZTB_p-70U.twitter

Now if I really were an informant of theirs they would not wish to expose me.

This must mean they wish to discredit me.

Why though?

Because I am becoming too powerful?  But I flatter myself!

The Newcastle Meeting was a lunchtime meeting.  By the time we finished it would be about tea time.   Jeffrey Marshall and I in fact had dinner at the Thai Restaurant in Grainger Town, and very good it was too.

http://www.atbangkokcafe.co.uk/
Thai Restaurant in Newcastle Chinatown

http://www.atbangkokcafe.co.uk/
Thai Restaurant in Newcastle Chinatown

"They were all there too; Holocaust deniers, perverts, race haters and violent thugs."

They were perfectly pleasant to me and to each other.  Even that Kevin Scott who was being so snippy to me on Facebook was civility and friendliness in person.   I think everyone had a good time.  If these were indeed all Holocaust Deniers, perverts, race haters and violent thugs, they were perfectly charming ones.

The photos I had taken next to Andrew Brons was suggested to me and taken by Karen Allen herself.  I will not have anything said against that lovely lady and her husband Edward.

But I know Hate Not Hate prefer fiction to fact.

David Jones could himself could have attended but he did not due to work commitments.  He was at all times aware of my intention to attend the meeting, and we remain staunch political allies.

I would have thought that Hope Not Hate would be pleased with me that I am trying to make the ethno-nationalists see the light of civic nationalism as the only viable way forward, but not a bit of it.   They carp and criticise, tell lies and make things up when the truth could be had by a simple question directed at me.

As for why I was feeling like "an Old Testament prophet", I was referring to the seeming impossibility of interesting British nationalists in the idea of family values, which must necessarily mean challenging feminism.   Kevin Scott was asking me what was my agenda and why I saw nationalism as a platform for my views.  I was  going to answer him but we were interrupted.  I have actually told him before, but he can't seem to get his head round the fact that I am genuinely serious about challenging feminism, which these days can only be done by a woman, because the disease is now so advanced it could be terminal.

"Out of the corruption of women proceeds the corruption of races; out of the corruption of races, the loss of memory; out of the loss of memory, the loss of understanding, and out of this all evil.  The Bhagavad Gita

http://thevoiceofreason-ann.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/dave-jones-sets-record-straight-with.html
DAVE JONES SETS THE RECORD STRAIGHT WITH HOPE  NOT HATE 

Why Breivik did what he did and why I did what I did: Liberal Left to blame

Breivik posing with a gun

Me posing with a gun

I was accused of copycatting Breivik by a few of my Facebook friends.  Anyone right-handed who picks up a gun like that would point to the window rather than at a dark corner in the room or indeed at anyone in the room, and that was what I was doing.

Also, the photographer and the furniture of the room would at some stage come into conflict if I pointed it in a different direction.

What am I doing posing with a gun with a Nazi flag behind me anyway, you ask.

I will explain.  That flag has been so fetishised by the Left that it is either treated like a sacred object or hysterically reviled.  It is time to take a more balanced approach.

The war ended 67 years ago.  I think a 50 year prohibition against displaying the Nazi flag in a provocative manner would have been quite sufficient, but it seems the liberal establishment want it for all eternity.

The more you tell people not do something the more they will want to do it.  Remember God telling Adam and Eve not to eat the fruit of his Tree of Knowledge and his Tree of Life?  Remember Pandora being told not to look in that box?  Orpheus was told not to look back.  Ditto Lot's wife. What did they all go and do?

I  have come to the conclusion that God actually wanted to kick Adam and Eve out of  Eden because they were getting under his feet and he wanted the place to himself.   He didn't want to be the bad guy so He found a way of making them do the very thing He told them not to do to give Him the justification for kicking them out like a pair of teenagers eating him out of house and home, playing their  music too loudly and always inviting their friends around.

We now know what the Left have been doing all along.   They fetishised Nazi imagery by having a hissy fit and making everyone have a hissy fit every time they saw it, forbade the use of it - which only made people want to use it more - and then used the desire they created (ie to fetishise Nazi imagery) in rebellious youth as the sign of a growing evil, which they themselves had helped to create by forbidding the criticism of immigration and immigrants, which was always portrayed as RACIST, FASCIST and NAZI so most people became afraid to discuss it.

In the meantime, they made the locals fit only for unskilled manual labour are so useless with their insane leftist social policies by encouraging the worst of women to breed their often disabled and illegitimate offspring whom no sane British employer would employ because they had a crap fatherless upbringing together with a crap education and are lazy  unemployable criminal bastards if they are male, and slut single mums with variously-fathered feral bastards if they are female.

Are you getting the picture now?

British employers in the meantime need labour now so they hire immigrants who are mostly not sluts and bastards (until their offspring are born and bred here and go through the whole shitty British education system  which they will not fix and have been progressively (pun intended) dumbing down for decades, under the aegis of the corrupt female and feminist-dominated teaching profession).

The people who are most affected by these insane and evil Left Liberal Feminist policies are of course the white working classes who have been all but abandoned by their government, who do not care enough about them even to attempt to correct their vicious wicked ways.

To salve their consciences they would rather throw taxpayers' money at them rather than shake their hand or teach them anything worthwhile, because that really would be too much trouble and more than their job's worth.

How long would it take to sort out British education anyway?  More than a term of office, certainly.  That is why successive governments have always swept the vexed question of education and training under the carpet  and also why successive governments have conspired to let more and more immigrants in to replace the useless locals that no sane employer would hire.

Nick Seaton of the Campaign for Real Education http://www.cre.org.uk/ knows what the problem is but won't challenge feminism because he fears it too much, but it is really the only way to take the bull by its horns, to grasp the nettle and to root out the source of Western malaise - feminism, the worship of free love and the deification of the Slut Single Mum who is the source of no-strings sex for men who cannot afford to take a wife and are too mean to pay an honest prostitute for her services.

There is a reason why other cultures have a horror and disgust of promiscuous women while in the West this instinctive moral revulsion has been bred out of it after decades of liberal indoctrination.   Indeed, these disgusting and promiscuous women who have their feral illegitimate children at the expense of the British taxpayer have now been elevated to the status of Sacred Cow.

This is so because most nationalist men have either impregnated an SSM, were SSM-parented or have a partner who is an SSM.   Most of the women they know are SSMs too - their grandmothers, great-aunts, aunts, sisters, nieces, daughters and grand-daughters - for the rottenness is as wide as it is deep.

This is precisely why the Muslims who are already here do not wish to integrate and put on their niqabs when in an earlier age they would have wished to dress in Western fashions to fit in.

But what is the point of fitting into a degenerate race with a degenerate culture?

The best thing to do is to preserve the virtue of your women, threaten to honour kill your daughters if  they ever think of becoming an SSM and hope for the indigenous fuckers to fuck themselves to death so you can take over after they fall off their perches in an excess of slut single mummery.

The cancer of female promiscuity has spread to the brains and guts and balls of almost all British men but it remains the case that the white working classes are the worst affected.   This means that most nationalists are worst affected by this.  So badly affected are they by widespread illegitimacy that even Nick Griffin will not support family values because to do so uncompromisingly would only offend his core supporters, which would never do because his income and status is derived from milking their grievance, without the necessity of giving them a remedy.  It is so much easier to continue blaming the Jews and Muslims than to suggest to them that they might be the author of their own misfortunes.

White working class men, being not the most well-educated, moneyed and moral men knocking around, who are also known for their propensity to violence, tend to react in a way that may be injurious to one's health and electoral success, perhaps, so in a way it is understandable that Nick Griffin would wish to exploit  and flatter them rather than assist them or try to improve their lot by telling them a few home truths.

Politics is after all the business of selling people hope, and Nick Griffin only cares about selling them false hope, while I genuinely wish to change things by telling the truth as I see it and offering a practical solutions, all of which involve the repeal of an Act of Parliament.

It seems impossible to draw anyone's attention to this, so thick is this liberal conspiracy of silence.  Most of the liberal establishment even know who I am, but they are trying their damnedest to ignore me so as to prevent their Sacred Cow who is the Slut Single Mother whom they irrationally worship from being blasphemed against.

My plan is to become quite quite unignorable until enough of them break ranks and decide that they absolutely must interview me when the readers of their publications demand this clamorously enough.

I will make it clear that I have no desire to become a terrorist nor do I wish to gas Jews (some of whom are my best friends).   It is only the potency of these images that will attract liberal eyes in spite of themselves.

Breivik did what he did when he came to the conclusion that participating in the political process is futile.  He observed that once enough  Norweigian voters wised up to what was happening to their country, the Norwegian government would let more immigrants in, give them passports and gerrymander the vote.

Sounds familiar?

Even now, organisations such as UAF, Searchlight and Hope Not Hate regularly intimidate nationalists and pubs who allow nationalists to use their function rooms.

If they make it seem so hopeless that everyone believes that participating in the political process is doomed to failure and disgrace as well as intimidation and violence, then they have only themselves to blame if Britain gets its own Breivik in the years to come.

I have had to go so far to get an interesting photograph of myself taken with Dave and that flag because that is the only way to make the Liberal Left listen.  It was they who drove me to do this, and they have only themselves to blame.

Diagnosis: FEMINISM TO BLAME FOR DECLINE AND FALL OF THE WEST.

Solution: QUESTION, CHALLENGE AND DESTROY FEMINISM AS A RESPECTABLE SYSTEM OF BELIEF.

"It is the greatest injustice to treat unequal things equally."

POSTSCRIPT

It seems from the reaction David Jones and I are getting at
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t881969/ that they are behaving as if I have disrespected their swastika when it was in fact borrowed from Hinduism and Buddhism and tweaked by the Nazis to turn the other way.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Swastika_Society

If anyone has copyright to the swastika it is the people from Asia whence it originated.

It's been over 67 years.  Get over it.